Israel: To Support, Or Not

[JONJAY79]

 

[pi3141]

To all western countries and leaders that still host muslim brotherhood, heed this warning from the voices of peace in the middle east.

 

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[pi3141]

On 6/18/2025 at 2:49 PM, JONJAY79 said:

 

 

 

The enemy within, eh.

 

I hope people watch this and realise that this is what Israel are fighting.

 

Only more extreme.

 

If they take Israel, they won't stop until they have global, extreme Islamic rule.

 

That should give people nightmares, but somehow, people are actually cheering on their own destruction.

 

My mind boggles.

 

The lunacy at supporting an extreme group that only want to convert or kill you, suppress your rights, the rights of women and promote an intolerant society where beheadings, limb amputations, crucifixions and public flogging are common place.

 

To anyone supporting Palestine - 

 

Do you people really want to go back to the stone age?

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr H]

3 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

The enemy within, eh.

 

I hope people watch this and realise that this is what Israel are fighting.

 

Only more extreme.

 

If they take Israel, they won't stop until they have global, extreme Islamic rule.

 

That should give people nightmares, but somehow, people are actually cheering on their own destruction.

 

My mind boggles.

 

The lunacy at supporting an extreme group that only want to convert or kill you, suppress your rights, the rights of women and promote an intolerant society where beheadings, limb amputations, crucifixions and public flogging are common place.

 

To anyone supporting Palestine - 

 

Do you people really want to go back to the stone age?

 

 

 

 

 

Is it really clear cut? If you support Palestine you support crazies? 

 

How about not supporting a genocide as separate from supporting crazies? Maybe some of them gone crazy because there been imprisoned?

 

I don't support a side, but I ain't supporting no genocide either....

[wagdog19]

[pi3141]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

 don't support a side, but I ain't supporting no genocide either....

 

Can you see that Hamas has deliberately installed military bases in civilian areas, under schools and hospitals?

 

Can you not see that Hamas has engineered this genocide ?

 

Do you really want to see an extreme organization, who is prepared to sacrifice innocent civilians for their political and religious goals take control of a nuclear capable state, who will then start calling for more war, more jihad until their extreme version of Islam, rejected by most moderate Muslims, becomes a worldwide reality?

 

Do you support the suppression of women's rights and education, extreme and brutal religious rule and the killing of gays for instance?

 

Do you support that more, than you support and engineered genocide situation? 

 

You would want to see people like that succeed?

 

Even though most moderate Muslims themselves find Hamas’s extreme version of Islam abhorrent?

 

Why? Why do you support it?

 

Because they've convinced you Israel is committing genocide when it is Hamas themselves who put their people in the firing line and steal the aid? 

 

I don't get it. I really don't. 

 

Moderate Muslims despise these people but you support them because you believe there to be a genocide but you can't discern that this genocide was caused by Hamas?

 

I really don't get it. 

 

Look at where they've built their bases, intentionally in civilian areas for the purpose of using their own people as human shields and when Israel strikes they can cry genocide and you believe them.

 

It's f*king distasteful, the angels weep, but do you honestly think Israel has any other choice.

 

Did you watch the Dispatches documentary, don't you see the extremitism? 

 

We are pigs and dogs to these people.

 

I'll tell you, if they win, your wife will be forced to wear a sack and you will have the choice, convert to extrem Islam or die.

 

They are quite happy to murder their own people so they won't give a f*ck about you.

 

Did you not see the Facebook and Instagram post?

 

Their own people reject them.

 

But you don't?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by pi3141

[pi3141]

1 hour ago, wagdog19 said:

 

It was.

 

But NOT the way they did it.

 

If you think what Hamas did on Oct 7th, and what they're doing now, is how soldiers should behave, your sick. 

 

 

[wagdog19]

Netanyahu declared to the world in 1995 that Iran was months away from developing atomic weapons. Year after year, he has repeated and exageratted that line, whatever cabinet position he held in the knesset. He's bought and paid for by the satanic cult. And the majority of Israelis believe the shit he spouts. 

[wagdog19]

38 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

It was.

 

But NOT the way they did it.

 

If you think what Hamas did on Oct 7th, and what they're doing now, is how soldiers should behave, your sick. 

 

 

Discernment doesen't lie.

Legacy media and state sponsored 'intelligence' does. Since about the 1770's...

[pi3141]

45 minutes ago, wagdog19 said:

Discernment doesen't lie.

Legacy media and state sponsored 'intelligence' does. Since about the 1770's...

 

Then discern the difference between the Buddhist way in Tibet and the extreme Islamic way.

 

Discern the difference between legitimate warfare and terrorism. 

 

You can vote for extreme Islam if you want - but keep it away from my family and every other decent human being.

 

You can suffer that abomination, I won't  - i believe in love, compassion, tolerance. 

 

Apparently you don't. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by pi3141

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, wagdog19 said:

 

 

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

 

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

 

In many cases, people in countries with large Muslim populations are as concerned as Western nations about the threat of Islamic extremism, and have become increasingly concerned in recent years. About two-thirds of people in Nigeria (68%) and Lebanon (67%) said in 2016 that they are very concerned about Islamic extremism in their country, both up significantly since 2013.

 

Link - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

 

 

 

The decent Muslims don't agree with this, but you do.

 

Your hatred for Jews and love of virtue signaling knows no bounds. 

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by pi3141

[wagdog19]

I know you don't read the bible, but what is currently being ochestrated is Ezekiel (37/38?). The cult is zionist, not Jewish. They want Magog (Russia) and it's allies to get involved, so the cult(Israel, US, Europe) can cull 'us' with nuclear war or something more sinister.

I hate satanists, nobody else. 

God bless you all.

[wagdog19]

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

In many cases, people in countries with large Muslim populations are as concerned as Western nations about the threat of Islamic extremism, and have become increasingly concerned in recent years. About two-thirds of people in Nigeria (68%) and Lebanon (67%) said in 2016 that they are very concerned about Islamic extremism in their country, both up significantly since 2013.

 

Link - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

 

 

 

The decent Muslims don't agree with this, but you do.

 

Your hatred for Jews and love of virtue signaling knows no bounds. 

I have Jewish ancestry. Nice try.

[wagdog19]

4 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

In many cases, people in countries with large Muslim populations are as concerned as Western nations about the threat of Islamic extremism, and have become increasingly concerned in recent years. About two-thirds of people in Nigeria (68%) and Lebanon (67%) said in 2016 that they are very concerned about Islamic extremism in their country, both up significantly since 2013.

 

Link - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

 

 

 

The decent Muslims don't agree with this, but you do.

 

Your hatred for Jews and love of virtue signaling knows no bounds. 

I would never virtue signal any group, especially Palestine. But I experienced apartheid, saw the suffering and consequences. Israel is an apartheid state, always has been. South Africa made it 'Law', that's the only difference. I've been to Israel a few times, I am familiar with both sides of the coin. 

[Mr H]

3 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Can you see that Hamas has deliberately installed military bases in civilian areas, under schools and hospitals?

 

Can you not see that Hamas has engineered this genocide ?

 

Do you really want to see an extreme organization, who is prepared to sacrifice innocent civilians for their political and religious goals take control of a nuclear capable state, who will then start calling for more war, more jihad until their extreme version of Islam, rejected by most moderate Muslims, becomes a worldwide reality?

 

Do you support the suppression of women's rights and education, extreme and brutal religious rule and the killing of gays for instance?

 

Do you support that more, than you support and engineered genocide situation? 

 

You would want to see people like that succeed?

 

Even though most moderate Muslims themselves find Hamas’s extreme version of Islam abhorrent?

 

Why? Why do you support it?

 

Because they've convinced you Israel is committing genocide when it is Hamas themselves who put their people in the firing line and steal the aid? 

 

I don't get it. I really don't. 

 

Moderate Muslims despise these people but you support them because you believe there to be a genocide but you can't discern that this genocide was caused by Hamas?

 

I really don't get it. 

 

Look at where they've built their bases, intentionally in civilian areas for the purpose of using their own people as human shields and when Israel strikes they can cry genocide and you believe them.

 

It's f*king distasteful, the angels weep, but do you honestly think Israel has any other choice.

 

Did you watch the Dispatches documentary, don't you see the extremitism? 

 

We are pigs and dogs to these people.

 

I'll tell you, if they win, your wife will be forced to wear a sack and you will have the choice, convert to extrem Islam or die.

 

They are quite happy to murder their own people so they won't give a f*ck about you.

 

Did you not see the Facebook and Instagram post?

 

Their own people reject them.

 

But you don't?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say anything about supporting hamas. It's not a football match!

 

I said I don't support a genocide. Starving innocents, killing tens of thousands I don't support. Don't really care who started it. Don't think they're crying genocide the numbers say it, amnesty international says it and the ICJ have a case against them currently on the matter. It's not made up shit.

Edited June 20 by Mr H

[Mr H]

This is what I hate about today's internet society. You criticize Biden, you must love trump, you criticize Zelensky, that must mean you're a Putin shill. Critize Israel you like Hammas. Divide and rule, over simplistic bullshit, putting people into silly gps. The ones who always get forgotten whilst people are arguing silo to silo, are always the victims....

[Campion]

2 hours ago, wagdog19 said:

I would never virtue signal any group, especially Palestine. But I experienced apartheid, saw the suffering and consequences. Israel is an apartheid state, always has been. South Africa made it 'Law', that's the only difference. I've been to Israel a few times, I am familiar with both sides of the coin. 

  

Do you mean that Jews and Arabs have to live apart within Israel itself?  Or the partition of Palestine into two states?  

 

That's the point of the two-state solution isn't it, to separate Jews and Palestinians into separate countries, which is what the Zionists wanted from the start and aided by Zionists in the British government. 

 

Apartheid in South Africa was like segregation in the USA, keeping the different races apart within the same country.  There was actual partition in other conflict areas like Ireland, India, and Yugoslavia so it's not unprecedented. Perhaps SA would be better with partition than apartheid too, considering that it's no better now than during the Apartheid era.  

 

However there hasn't been agreement for a 'solution'.  If you don't agree with partition, what would work instead, aren't the options either a two state or a one state solution? 

 

Edited June 20 by Campion

[JONJAY79]

9 hours ago, Mr H said:

Is it really clear cut? If you support Palestine you support crazies? 

 

How about not supporting a genocide as separate from supporting crazies? Maybe some of them gone crazy because there been imprisoned?

 

I don't support a side, but I ain't supporting no genocide either....

There has been many big demos by the Palestinians against Hamas. Yet many liberals declare Hamas freedom fighter's. 

[JONJAY79]

In the charter Hamas has declared it will not rest until every Jew is dead . This makes a two state solution difficult but we must also separate the issues surrounding Palestinians and Hamas not all Palestinians support Hamas.

[JONJAY79]

We also have to look at another couple of issues 

1 The Greater Israel project 

 

2 Epstines Island mosad honey trap.

 

The Greater Israel project could drag us all into WW3 while zionist go hell bent on regaining national boundaries. 

 

 

And the honey trap by Mosads Epstines Island has many western leaders compromised. 

[pi3141]

7 hours ago, Mr H said:

I didn't say anything about supporting hamas. It's not a football match!

 

I said I don't support a genocide. Starving innocents, killing tens of thousands I don't support. Don't really care who started it. Don't think they're crying genocide the numbers say it, amnesty international says it and the ICJ have a case against them currently on the matter. It's not made up shit.

 

Then I don't understand your position.

 

You don't support your perceived genocide of Palestinian but its Hamas’s stated aim to genocide the jews.

 

So we can stop the fighting, save the Palestinians and then watch Hamas genocide the Jews.

 

Wouldn't that turn it into a football match? 

 

Oh they're not winning, let's have a rematch and genocide the Jews instead. 

 

This is war - started by Hamas, Israel is winning and your claiming genocide which is the action Israel has been forced to take by Hamas and the Palestinian people.

 

Do you think Israel should stop, allow Hamas to regroup, rearm and then do another Oct 7th?

 

Then when Israel responds we all cry genocide. 

 

Israel stops, Hamas rearms and then we go again, until the world cries genocide again?

 

Perhaps this could be a monthly fixture.

 

Maybe invite other terrorists in to give it a go? 

 

We could make a league. 

 

If the shoe was on the other foot and Hanas were winning, do you think they would care about you crying genocide of the Jews?

 

Cos I can tell you, they won't care, they wouldn't stop.

 

As for the ICJ case - don't make me laugh. If you can't see through that I can't help you.

 

 

 

Edited June 21 by pi3141

[pi3141]

This is what ICJ say about Hamas, the statement was made months after the attack and is not a stand alone condemnation, it is mentioned in the statement against Israel. 

 

 

Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;

Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);

Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;

Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;

Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.

 

 

Soldiers don't commit these crimes, we haven't seen this level of hatred since WW2.

 

 

[Mr H]

11 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Then I don't understand your position.

 

You don't support your perceived genocide of Palestinian but its Hamas’s stated aim to genocide the jews.

 

So we can stop the fighting, save the Palestinians and then watch Hamas genocide the Jews.

 

Wouldn't that turn it into a football match? 

 

Oh they're not winning, let's have a rematch and genocide the Jews instead. 

 

This is war - started by Hamas, Israel is winning and your claiming genocide which is the action Israel has been forced to take by Hamas and the Palestinian people.

 

Do you think Israel should stop, allow Hamas to regroup, rearm and then do another Oct 7th?

 

Then when Israel responds we all cry genocide. 

 

Israel stops, Hamas rearms and then we go again, until the world cries genocide again?

 

Perhaps this could be a monthly fixture.

 

Maybe invite other terrorists in to give it a go? 

 

We could make a league. 

 

If the shoe was on the other foot and Hanas were winning, do you think they would care about you crying genocide of the Jews?

 

Cos I can tell you, they won't care, they wouldn't stop.

 

As for the ICJ case - don't make me laugh. If you can't see through that I can't help you.

 

 

 

Firstly it's not a perceived genocide. Call it mass murder if it makes it taste better.

 

You're going into long stories again trying to find someone to blame. There's no end to that game of who started it. Who's the baddest of the bad. I don't like mass murder of innocents. Who's doing it Israel are. Qu here is do I support the mass murder of innocents. No I bloody don't. It's ridiculous and stupid. The worst thing a human can do. I know absolutely nothing about hamas whether they started it. I don't care. This is not the solution and it's evil. I don't support evil. My position is really that simple.

[pi3141]

6 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I don't like mass murder of innocents. Who's doing it Israel are. Qu here is do I support the mass murder of innocents.

 

That's where I disagree, Hamas are doing it, by forcing Israel to respond in this way because of Hamas’s military strategy to engineer this genocide of their own people.

 

Your falling for it.

 

[Mr H]

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

 

That's where I disagree, Hamas are doing it, by forcing Israel to respond in this way because of Hamas’s military strategy to engineer this genocide of their own people.

 

Your falling for it.

 

Palestine is a small prison place. Where they meant to hide their weapons? In the jungle region? 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

 

60,000 dead. 70% casualties women and children. Hundreds of thousands injured. Hundreds of thousands in deliberate starvation. Yeah you might expect a few civilians down in a carefully planned military attack. But come on! And the whole place has been completely leveled. There has been no care taken at all. 

 

I think you been listening to Douglas Murray too much.