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Fair enough Phil26. I admire your discipline, I like some discipline too, but I think also we have to be realistic and that jerks really trying it on, are always ultimately aiming to ridicule (poke fun etc) or be intimidating if they also have a streak of vindictiveness, and so it's always a hard thing to pull back or resolve a way out from those types, when tensions rise especially by such people as really unruly ones playing us up.... I just avoid people most of my life by going off into nature.

 

Eta, in situations of being outnumbered, it is better to be a shrinking violet, (than a dead combative intent on violence violet), if that gets a person out of the line of violent surge, and to have it consider stopping any repercussion for the onset of further provocation into a fight with a foe and any mean person (and perhaps mentally unstable person) out there, and so yeah without a little pluck to verbally defend at least in preference over physical violence, we have to consider the shrinking violet approach sometimes, which is only a form of being humble in one way and to show the ability to rise above situations..... Doing such is not necessarily cowardice at all......What would we all prefer (depending on what is at stake I suppose which is anyones guess in this day & age).... but one truth remains absolute which is Violence begets Violence, (reinforces the obligation to meet action with reaction) always has always will, at least for some...

Sometimes it is best to be humble and walk or even run away if outnumbered by some thug types taking this to the extreme... etc... Live to 'fight' *& make Peace* another day!

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1 hour ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

Fair enough Phil26. I admire your discipline, I like some discipline too, but I think also we have to be realistic and that jerks really trying it on, are always ultimately aiming to ridicule (poke fun etc) or be intimidating if they also have a streak of vindictiveness, and so it's always a hard thing to pull back or resolve a way out from those types, when tensions rise especially by such people as really unruly ones playing us up.... I just avoid people most of my life by going off into nature.

 

Eta, in situations of being outnumbered, it is better to be a shrinking violet, (than a dead combative intent on violence violet), if that gets a person out of the line of violent surge, and to have it consider stopping any repercussion for the onset of further provocation into a fight with a foe and any mean person (and perhaps mentally unstable person) out there, and so yeah without a little pluck to verbally defend at least in preference over physical violence, we have to consider the shrinking violet approach sometimes, which is only a form of being humble in one way and to show the ability to rise above situations..... Doing such is not necessarily cowardice at all......What would we all prefer (depending on what is at stake I suppose which is anyones guess in this day & age).... but one truth remains absolute which is Violence begets Violence, (reinforces the obligation to meet action with reaction) always has always will, at least for some...

Sometimes it is best to be humble and walk or even run away if outnumbered by some thug types taking this to the extreme... etc... Live to 'fight' *& make Peace* another day!

Interesting what you said about "jerks". Because while there will always be a certain percentage of "jerks" in this realm there are a lot more who were brought up by parents who were narcissists and the type of people who shout at their children "you're making me angry", which then tells the child that "as parents are 'made' angry by others so must I", then they grow up to lack self control and end up "jerks" who push and provoke because when they feel an inner sense of anger (for whatever reason) instead of self reflection they turn it to the first thing, or person, who "made" them angry. So your argument about "jerks" is actually an argument in favour of not blaming others for making you feel a certain way. If "jerks" didn't blame others for "making" them angry or feel they have a "right" to get angry they wouldn't be "jerks".

 

Have you ever been in an argument with a person who insists you "made" their anger? That you are still "making" them angry, while they use this to get more angry, and it is all your fault? Can you reason with that person? No. Because usually they base their anger on what they imagined you were thinking or feeling or they misunderstood something or whatever it is. But the problem is as they believe you are causing their anger they are waiting for you to do something to stop their anger, which is impossible as they are the only person in control of their anger. An analogy is you are in a car with someone who is speeding. They are driving but they blame you for their speeding. You cannot stop them speeding and as they believe you are responsible for their speeding they would rather crash the car than put on the brakes (as putting on the brakes means admitting they are in control of the car).

 

I'm not saying that a person can never have done something wrong to another that needs to be addressed, of course there are times when that happens, but instead of anger you should use communication. Anger won't solve anything, especially in personal relationships. Anger within you is a sign that something IN YOU is wrong. It is like pain. If your body feels pain it is telling you something needs your attention, anger is similar, it is showing you there is an issue to be resolved between you and another person. So resolve that issue with communication. Sometimes that means silence, silence is a form of communication, or just walking away. But violence, shouting, screaming and verbal abuse only make things worse. And venting anger at another is a form of abuse. If you find yourself shouting and screaming at someone, or feeling you want to, then you should have resolved the problem before it got that bad.

 

Anger is a sign you fear loss of control. Anger is forcing a fight or flight response on yourself.

 

Nowadays there are increasing numbers of people not taking responsibility for their own emotions. They have been brought up to think that way, so what do we see? Epidemics of anxiety, depression, anger, loneliness and people blaming everything outside of themselves for it while they actually inflict it on themselves.

 

It's not cowardice to ensure your own safety however you need to do so. It is important to remember that when someone puts you into a violent situation with them you have not agreed to do so and you have no obligation to "live up to" any expectation they or others might have.

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43 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

Interesting what you said about "jerks". Because while there will always be a certain percentage of "jerks" in this realm there are a lot more who were brought up by parents who were narcissists and the type of people who shout at their children "you're making me angry", which then tells the child that "as parents are 'made' angry by others so must I", then they grow up to lack self control and end up "jerks" who push and provoke because when they feel an inner sense of anger (for whatever reason) instead of self reflection they turn it to the first thing, or person, who "made" them angry. So your argument about "jerks" is actually an argument in favour of not blaming others for making you feel a certain way. If "jerks" didn't blame others for "making" them angry or feel they have a "right" to get angry they wouldn't be "jerks".

 

Have you ever been in an argument with a person who insists you "made" their anger? That you are still "making" them angry, while they use this to get more angry, and it is all your fault? Can you reason with that person? No. Because usually they base their anger on what they imagined you were thinking or feeling or they misunderstood something or whatever it is. But the problem is as they believe you are causing their anger they are waiting for you to do something to stop their anger, which is impossible as they are the only person in control of their anger. An analogy is you are in a car with someone who is speeding. They are driving but they blame you for their speeding. You cannot stop them speeding and as they believe you are responsible for their speeding they would rather crash the car than put on the brakes (as putting on the brakes means admitting they are in control of the car).

 

I'm not saying that a person can never have done something wrong to another that needs to be addressed, of course there are times when that happens, but instead of anger you should use communication. Anger won't solve anything, especially in personal relationships. Anger within you is a sign that something IN YOU is wrong. It is like pain. If your body feels pain it is telling you something needs your attention, anger is similar, it is showing you there is an issue to be resolved between you and another person. So resolve that issue with communication. Sometimes that means silence, silence is a form of communication, or just walking away. But violence, shouting, screaming and verbal abuse only make things worse. And venting anger at another is a form of abuse. If you find yourself shouting and screaming at someone, or feeling you want to, then you should have resolved the problem before it got that bad.

 

Anger is a sign you fear loss of control. Anger is forcing a fight or flight response on yourself.

 

Nowadays there are increasing numbers of people not taking responsibility for their own emotions. They have been brought up to think that way, so what do we see? Epidemics of anxiety, depression, anger, loneliness and people blaming everything outside of themselves for it while they actually inflict it on themselves.

 

It's not cowardice to ensure your own safety however you need to do so. It is important to remember that when someone puts you into a violent situation with them you have not agreed to do so and you have no obligation to "live up to" any expectation they or others might have.

Yes. Completely agree with you here on this. There is also a lot of hidden anger. Entertainment has contributed massively to how folks react, they are programed like Pavlovs dog.

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1 hour ago, RobinJ said:

Yes. Completely agree with you here on this. There is also a lot of hidden anger. Entertainment has contributed massively to how folks react, they are programed like Pavlovs dog.

Anger and rage have been normalised by entertainment. Obviously computer games but people overlook TV and movies and even porn have normalised anger and rage. It's not a recent phenomenon, there were black and white gangster movies and cowboy movies pushing violence and anger back in the 1930s onwards. It's just increased since then. They added serial killers, then revenge flicks popularised in the 1970s onwards. Fight Club and Reservoir Dogs into the 1990s and the extreme violence of TV and film since then. Nowadays people are massively addicted to 'True Crime' and they like to watch violence while feeling angry but superior at the same time. Then look at the increase in violent deaths in the population, all caused by anger.

 

In recent years, especially through the internet, the 24 hour news cycle keeps people hyped up on anger and of course social media. YT videos are full of people to get angry at and Tik Tok etc.

 

That is why I was comparing it to addiction. People are addicted to anger and they put it on a self righteous pedestal to glorify it, which is why some people incorrectly say they feel a "right" to be angry.

 

You cannot communicate with an angry person. Those pushing a more angry population know what they are doing. They don't want people to communicate, they want isolation and despair.

 

A note on Icke here, he focuses a lot on the feeding of fear in this world, which is true, but not a lot of attention is given to the damaging effects of anger, including feeding bad energy. In the body it can shorten your lifespan and damage the heart, kidneys, liver and brain activity.

 

Here is some information on the damage anger does to the brain.

 

"Anger is killing your brain cells.

It has to do with the overload on your brain of the stress hormone cortisol.

When Anger Gets in Your Body

Anger triggers a release of cortisol, and one of the results of cortisol is an increase in the uptake of calcium ions through the cell membranes of your neurons (aka brain cells).

This increased uptake of calcium ions causes your nerve cells to fire too frequently and can lead to their deaths.

Too much cortisol over time leads to a loss of neurons in the areas of your brain called your prefrontal cortex and your hippocampus.
The prefrontal cortex is a part of your brain, and it’s located in the area of your forehead. It has a variety of complex functions, including planning, and it contributes to personality development.

Why does it matter if these areas shrink?
When healthy functioning of the prefrontal cortex is diminished, it inhibits using your best judgment. Can you relate to that? After the anger settles, you wonder why you did or said something. It seemed justified at the time, but in hindsight, you see it was excessive.

In the hippocampus, neuron death from cortisol weakens short term memory. This is why it’s hard to remember all the details of a traumatic event or a fit of anger.

Then there’s serotonin, our happy hormone.
Cortisol decreases serotonin, and decreased serotonin makes you feel anger and pain more strongly. It leads to depression.

Thus the cycle continues.".

Anger is killing your brain cells

 

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7 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Anger and rage have been normalised by entertainment. Obviously computer games but people overlook TV and movies and even porn have normalised anger and rage. It's not a recent phenomenon, there were black and white gangster movies and cowboy movies pushing violence and anger back in the 1930s onwards. It's just increased since then. They added serial killers, then revenge flicks popularised in the 1970s onwards. Fight Club and Reservoir Dogs into the 1990s and the extreme violence of TV and film since then. Nowadays people are massively addicted to 'True Crime' and they like to watch violence while feeling angry but superior at the same time. Then look at the increase in violent deaths in the population, all caused by anger.

 

In recent years, especially through the internet, the 24 hour news cycle keeps people hyped up on anger and of course social media. YT videos are full of people to get angry at and Tik Tok etc.

 

That is why I was comparing it to addiction. People are addicted to anger and they put it on a self righteous pedestal to glorify it, which is why some people incorrectly say they feel a "right" to be angry.

 

You cannot communicate with an angry person. Those pushing a more angry population know what they are doing. They don't want people to communicate, they want isolation and despair.

 

A note on Icke here, he focuses a lot on the feeding of fear in this world, which is true, but not a lot of attention is given to the damaging effects of anger, including feeding bad energy. In the body it can shorten your lifespan and damage the heart, kidneys, liver and brain activity.

 

Here is some information on the damage anger does to the brain.

 

"Anger is killing your brain cells.

It has to do with the overload on your brain of the stress hormone cortisol.

When Anger Gets in Your Body

Anger triggers a release of cortisol, and one of the results of cortisol is an increase in the uptake of calcium ions through the cell membranes of your neurons (aka brain cells).

This increased uptake of calcium ions causes your nerve cells to fire too frequently and can lead to their deaths.

Too much cortisol over time leads to a loss of neurons in the areas of your brain called your prefrontal cortex and your hippocampus.
The prefrontal cortex is a part of your brain, and it’s located in the area of your forehead. It has a variety of complex functions, including planning, and it contributes to personality development.

Why does it matter if these areas shrink?
When healthy functioning of the prefrontal cortex is diminished, it inhibits using your best judgment. Can you relate to that? After the anger settles, you wonder why you did or said something. It seemed justified at the time, but in hindsight, you see it was excessive.

In the hippocampus, neuron death from cortisol weakens short term memory. This is why it’s hard to remember all the details of a traumatic event or a fit of anger.

Then there’s serotonin, our happy hormone.
Cortisol decreases serotonin, and decreased serotonin makes you feel anger and pain more strongly. It leads to depression.

Thus the cycle continues.".

Anger is killing your brain cells

 

Yes. Fear and anger are really the same emotion but on a spectrum. Fear is low grade anger, anger is the manifestation of fear thats ramped up. Fear in particular causes long term illness. We carry the emotion for years and the body struggles to rid itself but is unable to do so because it keeps getting topped up daily via news and entertainment.

I've been eradicating fear from myself for years. Now I'm mostly free of it, and its transformative on so many levels. I simply don't let it into my emotional state. I use humour instead if I feel it creeping up.

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On 2/9/2024 at 9:08 PM, Phil26 said:

Interesting about the 'electronics' point. If the simulation is true then 'physical' books (but not seen by the person reacting) should get the same response.

 

I wonder if a lot of stuff people dismiss as "God's mysterious ways", good or bad 'luck' or other things they find spiritual or other explanations for are in fact all just the AI simulation. 🤔

 

I know a few people who have confided in me that they have had weird 'reactions' from the 'simulation' for some things, but this was so specific it just seemed a very strange coincidence. 

 

On a related note in The Dream David Icke talks about narcissism (I think he should explore that whole area in depth) and how narcissists react (he compares them to the hive mind of the archons, which I think is accurate), that they are reacting to programming etc. 

 

Have you read The Trap? Did you read about what happened to Icke and the medium? I can't see how anyone can explain that without the AI simulation being true. I have seen, and heard from others, of very strange phenomena that indicates something can get information not through normal physical ways. It probably explains a lot of so called paranormal experience people have. What do you make of what happened to Icke with the medium?

No I've not read it, just seen him talking about the basics. I've read a few of his other books and I find them repetitive. At least a third of every book is repeated info. I like Icke, but his path through this is not my path.

Over the last year I've had what i call "upgrades" to my system. I get a series of events which culminate in a new "talent". The talents give me a way to help people with understanding their own issues or allow me to feel things more deeply thereby gaining deeper understanding for myself and them.

It usually goes something like this: loud ringing in my left ear followed by headache for up to 2 days, followed by a dream showing me something, which leads to a new understanding. Then I will get a new talent such as being able to feel an energy of a person or place. ( I get a kind of emotional hit in my heart zone when I speak a truth, or if I feel a deep emotional energy in the air)

Its weird, but fascinating to observe the changes. I document everything I've been through so I can look back and witness my own progression. I'm also seeing a lot of light changes in the planet. I feel like I'm constantly evolving, which I like 😄

Most people spend their entire like running on "fear fuel" and don't even realise it. Letting it go is amazing. It brings peace and calmness.

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4 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Yes. Fear and anger are really the same emotion but on a spectrum. Fear is low grade anger, anger is the manifestation of fear thats ramped up. Fear in particular causes long term illness. We carry the emotion for years and the body struggles to rid itself but is unable to do so because it keeps getting topped up daily via news and entertainment.

I've been eradicating fear from myself for years. Now I'm mostly free of it, and its transformative on so many levels. I simply don't let it into my emotional state. I use humour instead if I feel it creeping up.

Fear can be useful in certain situations, but I agree that the type of fear you seem to be referring to is destructive. Most people never get to feel useful fear as it only comes up when people really need it. The fear that is good to rid yourself of is the one you talk about, the anxiety pushing fear that lasts for a long time. Good fear is sudden, fleeting and only serves as a warning system to activate you to action. Damaging fear is a disease and is indeed terrible for the human body and mind.

 

Humour is great! Evil doesn't 'get' humour and can only mimic it. Of course there are corrupt and damaging uses of humour but having a sense of humour is vital to higher existence.

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4 hours ago, RobinJ said:

No I've not read it, just seen him talking about the basics. I've read a few of his other books and I find them repetitive. At least a third of every book is repeated info. I like Icke, but his path through this is not my path.

Over the last year I've had what i call "upgrades" to my system. I get a series of events which culminate in a new "talent". The talents give me a way to help people with understanding their own issues or allow me to feel things more deeply thereby gaining deeper understanding for myself and them.

It usually goes something like this: loud ringing in my left ear followed by headache for up to 2 days, followed by a dream showing me something, which leads to a new understanding. Then I will get a new talent such as being able to feel an energy of a person or place. ( I get a kind of emotional hit in my heart zone when I speak a truth, or if I feel a deep emotional energy in the air)

Its weird, but fascinating to observe the changes. I document everything I've been through so I can look back and witness my own progression. I'm also seeing a lot of light changes in the planet. I feel like I'm constantly evolving, which I like 😄

Most people spend their entire like running on "fear fuel" and don't even realise it. Letting it go is amazing. It brings peace and calmness.

Your letting go of fear probably made a real difference in you being able to progress through those 'upgrades'. Thanks for sharing that, especially as it is so personal, it helps bring others to the realisation that they can be more than just the drone the system pushes on them. 

 

I know what this might sound like like, but I'm going to say it anyway. I could read the joy from your words!  I, and others I know, have experienced similar and it is great to hear your experience.

 

I agree there is a lot of repeated material in David Icke's books. I suppose it is his style and the way he builds a 'joining the dots' narrative while bringing new readers into the vast complicated information he has gathered over the decades, but for those who have read a lot of his books it can seem like going over it again. Of course it does help those who need in context references to his other books.

 

Despite this I highly recommend The Trap and The Dream, they are the least repetitive books of his so far and they have a lot of relevant new material worth knowing. The Trap explains a lot of what is behind 'paranormal' experiences and synchronicity. It also shows how deeply people can be manipulated on so many levels.

 

As you don't like the repetition I suggest you try listening to the Audible version (available at around £7.99 at Audible) as you can skip parts if you want. Reading reviews for the audio edition a lot of people mention doing household chores, or driving, while listening to it, so even if there is some repetition you won't feel like you've wasted your time on those parts. The Trap is also mostly autobiography and so is less about the material in his earlier books. There are some fascinating experiences in The Trap that I think you would find interesting. The Dream builds on The Trap and probably has a bit more repetition than The Trap, but as it brings Icke's work up to date and into the present context it is very much worth a read or listen. On a side note David Icke reads the audio editions and he is a great reader.

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14 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Here is some information on the damage anger does to the brain.

 

"Anger is killing your brain cells.

It has to do with the overload on your brain of the stress hormone cortisol.

When Anger Gets in Your Body

Anger triggers a release of cortisol, and one of the results of cortisol is an increase in the uptake of calcium ions through the cell membranes of your neurons (aka brain cells).

This increased uptake of calcium ions causes your nerve cells to fire too frequently and can lead to their deaths.

Too much cortisol over time leads to a loss of neurons in the areas of your brain called your prefrontal cortex and your hippocampus.
The prefrontal cortex is a part of your brain, and it’s located in the area of your forehead. It has a variety of complex functions, including planning, and it contributes to personality development.

Why does it matter if these areas shrink?
When healthy functioning of the prefrontal cortex is diminished, it inhibits using your best judgment. Can you relate to that? After the anger settles, you wonder why you did or said . It seemed justified at the time, but in hindsight, you see it was excessive.

In the hippocampus, neuron death from cortisol weakens short term memory. This is why it’s hard to remember all the details of a traumatic event or a fit of anger.

Then there’s serotonin, our happy hormone.
Cortisol decreases serotonin, and decreased serotonin makes you feel anger and pain more strongly. It leads to depression.

Thus the cycle continues.".

Anger is killing your brain cells

 

Thanks for this, I am sure IT CAN DO BRAIN DAMAGE, when I was younger I am sure being over angry at unsettled upbringing and taunts from kids/ young adults my age, made me lose it (more inwardly than out but this is still a problem) and so anyway did more loud venting more than was good for me a hell of a lot in aftermath of any stress just gone before it (yep by myself sulking/ feeling sad/ resentful).

This you could say was made worse by not seeing an easy remedy to feel better, as you would expect in what seems a hot bed of coals etc..., And so when on this path leading to anger, if one loses it, screams, lashes out, bounces off the wall or whatever, it will almost certainly include the frustration of knowingly or not and avoidable or not what this is all about going on inside us>> (well firstly owing to stress or conflicts of right or wrong etc, probably not so easily avoidable if a younger person like I was - or we all were once a bit like this.... Being not mentally well equipped enough at dealing with complex challenges of the mind and life events etc)... CONTINUED>> will include thus being ill adept and even if aware of the realization of what is happening to us or not, when no OUTSIDE HELP, would come along at any great speed, it hardly makes the matter of GROWING PAINS a walk in the park now does it. (And btw as for "Outside Help" ==WE LOOK MORE OUTSIDE AS 'KIDULTS' IN GENERAL, so that's what would be natural at the time in the younger years!)....

 

In any case of how stuff turns out, those shady feelings (if left unchecked or inadequately addressed) just build and build, if all we know is to bottle things up, especially when lonely in our plight which is one of the main contributors to an temperamental angry episode, the feeling that isolation does to amplify whatever grief or tumult is being experienced...and by some characterization is a lot like spontaneous combustion as is well documented, when too many things just aren't going right. And all we can seem to do is make bad or wrong choices, when at the past younger age.

 

Though that be of Long Past for me now, but it doesn't mean I don't still struggle or in-fight with inner demons now and again, if things are looking threatening in the mental barometer or forecast of what overshadows, etc. Even when I do have the skills to gain purchase on that sucker to overcome it, I mean the mind is just like that.... It gets better though if we consistently practice to overcome, by being MINDFUL, forbearing with ourselves, and work on ourselves for whatever conducive reasoning of remedy to assist in *either* a teenager OR AN ADULT (since life always poses challenges of some sort no matter the age)....

But I mean the reality is you go through this process of healing OR TRY TO, all whilst still a bit too young to get a grasp on everything, and yet what bugs the most is that antagonistic yet quite true knowing of how others SURE DID had a hand in how we feel or felt, well, soooo okaaaaay, finally comes the day which becomes asking ourself~ like how quick can we let go of that wrong doing before it completely destroys us from within how we have placed blame and rightly so to a degree but of course inevitably if we see the light we have to take back all responsibility at some point, and just move on, and learn from anything of undue displeasure etc....

Also.... When on this road to psychological recovery or re-structuring in the case whereby we might be procrastinating or agonizing too long, the demons MAY have won, if we cannot forgive at least some aspects of what we have pain-stakingly psycho-analyzed in asking why stuff happened to us as it did. (in anyone's life, not just mine)...

 

Interventions (incl. Self Help) and Coping Mechanisms are really important on that journey as well self aware responsibility and reflection upon what really matters..... Such as for self growth in adversity as well as for allowing the way for making better choices, the next time bad news or bad actors come our way...

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42 minutes ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

Thanks for this, I am sure IT CAN DO BRAIN DAMAGE, when I was younger I am sure being over angry at unsettled upbringing and taunts from kids/ young adults my age, made me lose it (more inwardly than out but this is still a problem) and so anyway did more loud venting more than was good for me a hell of a lot in aftermath of any stress just gone before it (yep by myself sulking/ feeling sad/ resentful).

This you could say was made worse by not seeing an easy remedy to feel better, as you would expect in what seems a hot bed of coals etc..., And so when on this path leading to anger, if one loses it, screams, lashes out, bounces off the wall or whatever, it will almost certainly include the frustration of knowingly or not and avoidable or not what this is all about going on inside us>> (well firstly owing to stress or conflicts of right or wrong etc, probably not so easily avoidable if a younger person like I was.... Being not mentally well equipped enough at dealing with complex challenges of the mind and life events etc)... CONTINUED>> will include thus being ill adept and even if aware of the realization of what is happening to us or not, when no OUTSIDE HELP, would come along at any great speed, it hardly makes the matter of GROWING PAINS a walk in the park now does it. (And btw as for "Outside Help" ==WE LOOK MORE OUTSIDE AS KIDULTS IN GENERAL, so that's what would be natural at the time in the younger years!)....

 

In any case how it turns out to be as shady feelings build and build, if all we know is to bottle things up, especially in lonely in our plight which is one of the main contributors to an temperamental angry episode, the feeling that isolation does to amplify whatever grief or tumult is being experienced...and by some characterization is a lot like spontaneous combustion as is well documented, when too many things just aren't going right. And all we can seem to do is make bad or wrong choices, when at the past younger age.

(Long past for me now, but it doesn't mean I don't still struggle or in-fight with inner demons now and again, if things are looking threatening in the mental barometer or forecast of what overshadows, etc. Even when I do have the skills to gain purchase on that sucker to overcome it, I mean the mind is just like that.... It gets better though if we consistently practice to overcome, by being MINDFUL, forbearing with ourselves, and work on ourselves for whatever conducive to say a teenager.... But you go through this process of healing OR TRY TO, and yet that knowing of how others had a hand in how we feel or felt, well, then becomes like how quick can we let go of that wrong doing before it completely destroys us from within how we have placed blame and rightly so to a degree but of course inevitably if we see the light we have to take back all responsibility at some point, and just move on, and learn from anything of undue displeasure etc....

Also.... When on this road to psychological recovery or re-structuring in the case whereby we might be procrastinating or agonizing too long, the demons MAY have won, if we cannot forgive at least some aspects of what we have pain-stakingly psycho-analyzed in asking why stuff happened to us as it did. (in anyone's life, not just mine)...

 

Interventions (incl. Self Help) and Coping Mechanisms are really important on that journey as well self aware responsibility and reflection upon what really matters..... Such as for self growth in adversity as well as for allowing the way for making better choices, the next time bad news or bad actors come our way...

You're right that it is much more difficult, psychologically painful and harmful for children to have to experience situations that stimulate anger. And like you said, at a very young age they haven't the knowledge to cope. Then if you add to that the fact of unsupportive adults, bodily and other changes it is non stop stress and a tendency to fight or flight responses. 

 

As you've seen yourself when you become an adult it is a long healing process and takes a lot of self reflection and changes. Even then, as you have noted, you still need to be aware of when stress can stimulate anger responses learned early in life. It's about self knowing, what is right for you at any moment and the right coping mechanisms.

 

The rapid brain development in children makes it extremely difficult for them to handle anger, and this is especially damaging before 6-7 years of age or between the onset of puberty and 16-17 years old.

 

As the brain is very sensitive to change and mutable in form and function it usually takes 2-5 years for structural and functional changes to become 'healed' in adults.

 

Anger is very destructive, whether expressed outwardly or inwardly, it is always best to try and handle it rather than react to it, not easy but it is worth it. Anger, like our other emotions, should not be eliminated, but it should be understood, reflected on and handled by self responsibility, integrity and self respect. Anger is a sign that something is wrong, but we can always figure it out if we give ourselves time, compassion and love to do so.

 

On a side note, you mentioned loneliness, I think loneliness is a symptom not a condition. It is because in this world people are conditioned to fight each other (dog eat dog) and to compete for resources (which are artificially restricted to force conflicts in the population). We have a deep rooted subconscious memory of not being trapped in this world and that makes people feel sad and isolated here, therefore that leads to loneliness. On a conscious level from the world we are forced to be in conflict with and a subconscious feeling that 'cannot be explained' consciously, both of those leading to feelings of loneliness for people. In truth there is no loneliness.

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45 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

We have a deep rooted subconscious memory of not being trapped in this world and...

 

My attention span is dropping so excuse me (stuff on my mind like what I will PM briefly just to mention and point to why that is privately) but yeah great wisdom for helping gage these matters (not that I have read everything quite yet but give me time, however long that happens to be for myself., which could be a good while of a PAUSE, by how I can't be online heap loads atm..

 

So thanks for that above anyway, or for whomever found that useful or worthy!... even where stuff is tough to explain like in the subconscious mind...

 

Anyways~ as for the quoted~ I just got stuck with that only really and wanted to ask is the word "NOT" supposed to be in the sentence, as wouldn't it make more sense without the "NOT" ?? 🙂 I suppose depending on where the vantage point is and where the HERE is in that last paragraph- in relation to our reality now compared to one we remember or vice verse if the inverse or whatever, that it could make sense either way depending on which way around that sentence gets read, huh.

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On 2/11/2024 at 8:03 PM, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

My attention span is dropping so excuse me (stuff on my mind like what I will PM briefly just to mention and point to why that is privately) but yeah great wisdom for helping gage these matters (not that I have read everything quite yet but give me time, however long that happens to be for myself., which could be a good while of a PAUSE, by how I can't be online heap loads atm..

 

So thanks for that above anyway, or for whomever found that useful or worthy!... even where stuff is tough to explain like in the subconscious mind...

 

Anyways~ as for the quoted~ I just got stuck with that only really and wanted to ask is the word "NOT" supposed to be in the sentence, as wouldn't it make more sense without the "NOT" ?? 🙂 I suppose depending on where the vantage point is and where the HERE is in that last paragraph- in relation to our reality now compared to one we remember or vice verse if the inverse or whatever, that it could make sense either way depending on which way around that sentence gets read, huh.

I should explain, the "not" is meant to be there. A part of why people feel 'loneliness' is because they remember, but only subconsciously, that their 'real' existence is not here. But because they don't know why they feel a sense of loss, despair and isolation they interpret it as loneliness, this appears logical only because it is also conditioned into them to be in conflict while trapped here. The whole system is set up to traumatise you on every level, and between 'lives' here you also get traumatised, and in the astral while 'asleep'. 

 

Fundamentally it's the trauma that keeps your memory damaged and under the control of the system. It also preps you to be in a startle response from birth and prone to fight or flight. 

 

It is for those reasons that babies cry even after their physical needs of food, changing etc. are taken care of. They have not lost their memories fully at that time, and it explains why It varies from child to child. It is also what is responsible for the so called 'childhood amnesia' that occurs in just about everyone before the age of 3 years of age. Childhood is designed by the system to be as traumatic as possible and to condition you in various ways to keep you coming back here.

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On 2/11/2024 at 11:14 AM, Phil26 said:

Your letting go of fear probably made a real difference in you being able to progress through those 'upgrades'. Thanks for sharing that, especially as it is so personal, it helps bring others to the realisation that they can be more than just the drone the system pushes on them. 

 

I know what this might sound like like, but I'm going to say it anyway. I could read the joy from your words!  I, and others I know, have experienced similar and it is great to hear your experience.

 

I agree there is a lot of repeated material in David Icke's books. I suppose it is his style and the way he builds a 'joining the dots' narrative while bringing new readers into the vast complicated information he has gathered over the decades, but for those who have read a lot of his books it can seem like going over it again. Of course it does help those who need in context references to his other books.

 

Despite this I highly recommend The Trap and The Dream, they are the least repetitive books of his so far and they have a lot of relevant new material worth knowing. The Trap explains a lot of what is behind 'paranormal' experiences and synchronicity. It also shows how deeply people can be manipulated on so many levels.

 

As you don't like the repetition I suggest you try listening to the Audible version (available at around £7.99 at Audible) as you can skip parts if you want. Reading reviews for the audio edition a lot of people mention doing household chores, or driving, while listening to it, so even if there is some repetition you won't feel like you've wasted your time on those parts. The Trap is also mostly autobiography and so is less about the material in his earlier books. There are some fascinating experiences in The Trap that I think you would find interesting. The Dream builds on The Trap and probably has a bit more repetition than The Trap, but as it brings Icke's work up to date and into the present context it is very much worth a read or listen. On a side note David Icke reads the audio editions and he is a great reader.

Thanks for your kind words. I do appreciate knowing if I helped anyone. Frankly, my experiences on the path of enlightenment have been amazing. I too write it all down, it helps me join the dots for my own purpose. I have 3 books now...

Some incredible things have happened. The people I have around me now are fantastic. Getting out of the UK released me from all prior obligations and expectations. VERY freeing.

I can say without a shadow of doubt, letting go of fear is THE most important thing. Great things happen when you crack open that particular nut! I am much calmer now and let things go easily. One of the greatest things is the ability to have deep meaningful conversations which I never really did before. Its just so interesting and I'm learning all the time. I have zero regrets.

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10 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Thanks for your kind words. I do appreciate knowing if I helped anyone. Frankly, my experiences on the path of enlightenment have been amazing. I too write it all down, it helps me join the dots for my own purpose. I have 3 books now...

Some incredible things have happened. The people I have around me now are fantastic. Getting out of the UK released me from all prior obligations and expectations. VERY freeing.

I can say without a shadow of doubt, letting go of fear is THE most important thing. Great things happen when you crack open that particular nut! I am much calmer now and let things go easily. One of the greatest things is the ability to have deep meaningful conversations which I never really did before. Its just so interesting and I'm learning all the time. I have zero regrets.

🙂

On the subject of fear and anger, those who have been through this im their past, can see more clearly that covid was absolutely designed as a psychological experiment:-

Create fear of death/ physically separate people from each other/ creates anger or loneliness as response. 

A perfect feedback loop.

Anyone with even a few lurking issues going through the above will have the related emotions amplified, thereby, keeping the fear and anger present.

All you have to look at for proof is read the covid thread here. Its full of people needing to vent anger 3 YEARS after the event and is particularly prevalent in the younger members.

No judgement, just an observation from watching and listening.

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15 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Childhood is designed by the system to be as traumatic as possible and to condition you in various ways to keep you coming back here.

 

To think all this which is most traumatic for a child/baby BEFORE EVEN 3 YEARS OLD, is startling enough, but anyway to start calm on this issue, without myself crying 😁 can I just confirm the irregulated subconsciousness of a baby or infant is what we are most talking about here, in terms of memory in bold when you say that?

 

Well see, because I put the bit of your last line in bold I had here better focus (at least for the moment) mostly on this (skipping the bit of the end as I feel a bit uncomfortable on the possibilities or not? there), so yeah to focus more what will happen to any child person AND WHY (the system killing all joy & expectation yeah that in large part, but maybe we can get more specific than just calling it "the System"....we'll see anyway) .... but "hootie hoo" I guess from a child's POV 😂 perhaps only getting to form substantial thought patterns upward of 3 years old, [-I mean I don't really know- this is part conjecture when hoping this to be close to the truth where particulars might come about or be seen most noticeable at a certain age than any other time] ..... but I suppose Phil you might in what you say imply or propose maybe there is a certain tipping point IS IT to suggest for a baby but before whatever time that is the baby will have virtually NO MEMORY it is so much freaking out like is the norm in one way I guess?? (me I don't know for sure as I am only 2 years old right now)....

 

But by the sounds of words you make to offer, it would seem especially true at this approximated time anyway as in to say in some regard EXTREMEMLY PIVOTAL, that this innate traumatization thing of being born onto this planet that BY ITSELF is painful enough, BUT THEN as will become apparent to them in due course GETS RETRAUMATIZED BY THE TRANSITION PAST THE PIVOTAL MARK??, but before that happens their subconsciousness reigns supreme up until the age of 3 is it for SURE as I would imagine true or don't we really know, and mothers of any kids out there??

 

Subconsciousness is a fascinating subject at any age, but me I don't want to lay bold claims to what really does happen when for a baby..... I haven't got much of a clue as I don't have direct experience with kids, but it would seem as if this by general certitude is what we might assume as the tipping point (roughly speaking) at a MEAGRE THREE y/o (if to take your word as any kind of gospel whereby you may well have done research there whereas I just use my own mind to assist me, sometimes that is) ....anyway 😅,, is where by various sources of stuff bombarding a baby's mind is utterly to it - like a mish mash of data-sets becomes implanted in them that WE AS ADULTS know is likely to be more trauma (*for anyone awake*) even when doing the best to care and protect the natural state of innocence of a child by their parents if they are lucky...... Though not forever pure &/or free by birth, as they get conditioned obviously by too much information trying to hack its way into them and worst of all using their subconsciousness to do that, the very thing which SHOULD BE MOST HELPFUL & SACRED IN A PERSON OF ANY AGE =THE SUBCONSCIOUS POWERHOUSE....

 

But yeah as if planned (coz it kind of is by outside influences of not so friendly nature) meaning babies making their first steps in the world will stumble and fumble around a lot more than they should have to, unless they have best switched on parents with some smarts, but I suppose almost inevitable can leave in some situations their offspring prone to brain washing stuff out there (*not completely unattended, but you know what I mean, like in public places, sounds at large etc*)

 

Soooooo FOR A WHILE, (*as if temporary but not*) their young minds get only marginally stuck or intermittently where subject to mad stuff accumulating (I GUESS) and once amassed like some mental up-rising, can ultimately deregulate or interfere with what should else comeby them more naturally by information processing LESS THE BARBARISM BASICLY.... then subsequently sooner or later however (ie, pen-ultimately or whatever) the matter where were it to OVERWHELM could have the baby's brain retort in dismay
and throw up (subconsciously) in vaguely drawing on these mesmerizing NEW FIRST TIME experiences.....either simply allotting as a whole what it all means, OR broadly allocating BASIC meaning ---NOT QUITE LITERALLY a blow by blow account necessarily, of course, but in taking stock--- and amalgamating everything the child is exposed to by also not devoid of detail either I should imagine-- And so with that in mind, in among that data to process at some level, well all of it in a sense, but of what evaluated subconsciously let's say might only SOME things about 25-50% of stuff I GUESS of which could frighten baby??.... (WHO KNOWS) but POTENTIALLY carrying long term these interpretations by the many inputs of raw and often scrambled data storing (if at all memorized in baby- by you guessed it possible trauma or big discomfort experiences) and that which (initially at least) probably get taken on and decode (sts) as 'unattached' or 'unwitting' perceptions by baby's mind (which at this age I mean to say must be like conundrums that don't all have to be solved or even identified or concerned about because that's life as a baby, but which could proove harmful, whether memorized or not it is possible to conceive as a lot of that RAW ONCOMING RELENTLESS DATA once gets as a child is so sporadic and random - that it only gets remembered in fractal like portions or as distorted vague recollections, like that of a jigsaw- but that if traumatic in any sense I can well imagine can become most perturbing or troublesome if how the unattached thing at the start or inception of information gathering and how that was presented out in the world, or by interpretation, the key fault in how they gets memorized *or more likely only part memorized* if it starts to embed in the memory in a harmful and/or just simply non helpful way for growth and memory as a whole - whether for baby or adult frankly, these things have to be taken care over, depending on how fastidious or cautious one naturally is at the start)


BUT YEAH THEN ULTIMATELY, as the days and months pass,,  the mind boggles enough to get bounced too much around in an innately confusing way PLUUUUUUUS having to deal with the onslaught from a sticky web of disinformation in various formats ---- So both of natural manifestation or outcome as NATURE is a sort of matrix too, (a much more innocent/ benign one though, at least for a baby) but as we know in making "best assumptions" what are ALSO the meaner / more unforgiving aspects that MUST BE so damn distracting also by the constructs from THE PROGRAMMABLE WORLD IN GENERAL ....whereby any impressions formed of the world are stealing the babies prime time of perception by imprinting on them something not supposed to be, yet still in the baby's abilities probably at least in terms of open mindedness, that will to some degree go on unaffected on the one hand --> because subconsciousness is POWERFUL in overcoming just as it is A FORCE FOR GOOD TOO, when used well by *naturally subtle intelligence forming* gathering by living baby growing up in a sea of information (which are often LOUD sources belching out this information), but despite all this babies still obviously need to be protected from over-breach of infection of any subconscious mis-notion or deception etc,, put there from outside where it is clear the thing is not of natural origin....This of course in the better outcome to embrace the natural world by what is most important, just like any child needs to know it is BIO-LOGICAL, and should expect to be that, supported by what should be (realistically or not) an open & honest society taking care of its' young and future generations....

 

So as for subconsciousness again, theirs at their tender age, because it has so few actual regimens IF ANY to follow other than from mother, the baby's open-minded ability I wouldn't be surprised even exceeds some adults in terms of their inner awareness/ subconsciously at least, but that which they don't discern of course at the youngest tender age of especially below 3 years old is --who knows what exactly sometimes-- and therein lyes the devil in the detail foks!!...

Yet all this does still not mean of course what they go through is not traumatizing by being born and despite being clothed and fed, doubt and unknowing must to a large degree still beckon to reign supreme in baby's perception of trying make that abundantly obvious by crying, just as much as innate trust must serve to correlate with that by the mother, so crying in the MOST OBVIOUS sense is just natures way to remind mother to go on doing her job in maternal aspects and so sustaining a relationship where the confidence in mother & child is at least a basis for stability, even when the world we live in is anything but stable...

 

I might have side-tracked a bit......Blame my subconsciousness guys! 😁

 

 

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11 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Thanks for your kind words. I do appreciate knowing if I helped anyone. Frankly, my experiences on the path of enlightenment have been amazing. I too write it all down, it helps me join the dots for my own purpose. I have 3 books now...

Some incredible things have happened. The people I have around me now are fantastic. Getting out of the UK released me from all prior obligations and expectations. VERY freeing.

I can say without a shadow of doubt, letting go of fear is THE most important thing. Great things happen when you crack open that particular nut! I am much calmer now and let things go easily. One of the greatest things is the ability to have deep meaningful conversations which I never really did before. Its just so interesting and I'm learning all the time. I have zero regrets.

🙂

That's truly inspiring! 😀

 

I agree, writing is very important in this.

 

I hope many people read your comment as it is full of the truth of how people can free themselves from their pain, suffering and fear, and that they have all they need to do it within themselves! Your point about letting go of fear is crucial.

 

You're right about the deeper more meaningful conversations and connections.

 

I feel I've made many positive changes over the years (and am also continually learning). Your comment has given me the inspiration to approach those areas that maybe need more attention. After reading your comments I was, and am, reflecting on this.

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1 hour ago, RobinJ said:

On the subject of fear and anger, those who have been through this im their past, can see more clearly that covid was absolutely designed as a psychological experiment:-

Create fear of death/ physically separate people from each other/ creates anger or loneliness as response. 

A perfect feedback loop.

Anyone with even a few lurking issues going through the above will have the related emotions amplified, thereby, keeping the fear and anger present.

All you have to look at for proof is read the covid thread here. Its full of people needing to vent anger 3 YEARS after the event and is particularly prevalent in the younger members.

No judgement, just an observation from watching and listening.

All of that is true. 

 

For those of school age going through that it was extremely traumatic, but to some extent it backfired in the system as many children and their parents realised what a scam the education system is. That it is designed only to control and condition children. It showed many parents they are better at actually teaching and encouraging other children to learn, and it gave a lot of children self confidence in self teaching and learning, many also helping siblings.

 

The 'pandemic' was a nightmare (dream state trauma) in more than one sense of the word, for most people. It was created to manifest here the way it did. I know it might sound weird but many of us who are familiar with so called out of body, Astral 'travelling' saw it coming. Being able to prepare for it made the practical aspects a bit easier but you could feel the pressure from everything and everyone around. On a 'subconscious' level people fought its manifestation 100%. The system had a lot worse planned. The 'divine sparks' as Icke would say, did amazingly well under terrible conditions.

 

It also had the upside that people realised how going to work is all about slavery. That most jobs are not needed and are designed just to keep you from thinking or doing anything else. People realised the only jobs that matter are those that produce things and help to sustain life. People started to appreciate that more. For example it made people think what if instead of propping up the 'financial markets' with useless office work wouldn't it be better if we put more energy into food production, especially on a local scale. Spending more time with family and friends, teaching our children and realising what and who are important to us.

 

Inadvertently the 'pandemic' has made people.more resilient. The system didn't want that.

 

The system saw the reaction of a growing sense of empathy and they tried to hijack it with fake 'community' on social media and celebs, but most saw through that bs. The system has been pushing narcissism for years now, in preparation for the 'pandemic', but that just made non narcissists more determined not to allow it to control them.

 

Even the system's attempts to isolate us failed. People couldn't wait to socialise again. And even after they nearly shut down the movie industry one of biggest grossing movies, Top Gun Maverick, was universally enjoyed and got people back into cinemas and SOCIALISING. People refused to accept the system's 'new normal' and the whole 'pandemic' has actually revealed a lot the system wanted hidden.

 

I understand why people might feel angry about the 'pandemic' but they have to let go of that or it will destroy them and give the system what it wants. They need to focus their energy somewhere else because you get what you focus on.

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2 hours ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

To think all this which is most traumatic for a child/baby BEFORE EVEN 3 YEARS OLD, is startling enough, but anyway to start calm on this issue, without myself crying 😁 can I just confirm the irregulated subconsciousness of a baby or infant is what we are most talking about here, in terms of memory in bold when you say that?

 

Well see, because I put the bit of your last line in bold I had here better focus (at least for the moment) mostly on this (skipping the bit of the end as I feel a bit uncomfortable on the possibilities or not? there), so yeah to focus more what will happen to any child person AND WHY (the system killing all joy & expectation yeah that in large part, but maybe we can get more specific than just calling it "the System"....we'll see anyway) .... but "hootie hoo" I guess from a child's POV 😂 perhaps only getting to form substantial thought patterns upward of 3 years old, [-I mean I don't really know- this is part conjecture when hoping this to be close to the truth where particulars might come about or be seen most noticeable at a certain age than any other time] ..... but I suppose Phil you might in what you say imply or propose maybe there is a certain tipping point IS IT to suggest for a baby but before whatever time that is the baby will have virtually NO MEMORY it is so much freaking out like is the norm in one way I guess?? (me I don't know for sure as I am only 2 years old right now)....

 

But by the sounds of words you make to offer, it would seem especially true at this approximated time anyway as in to say in some regard EXTREMEMLY PIVOTAL, that this innate traumatization thing of being born onto this planet that BY ITSELF is painful enough, BUT THEN as will become apparent to them in due course GETS RETRAUMATIZED BY THE TRANSITION PAST THE PIVOTAL MARK??, but before that happens their subconsciousness reigns supreme up until the age of 3 is it for SURE as I would imagine true or don't we really know, and mothers of any kids out there??

 

Subconsciousness is a fascinating subject at any age, but me I don't want to lay bold claims to what really does happen when for a baby..... I haven't got much of a clue as I don't have direct experience with kids, but it would seem as if this by general certitude is what we might assume as the tipping point (roughly speaking) at a MEAGRE THREE y/o (if to take your word as any kind of gospel whereby you may well have done research there whereas I just use my own mind to assist me, sometimes that is) ....anyway 😅,, is where by various sources of stuff bombarding a baby's mind is utterly to it - like a mish mash of data-sets becomes implanted in them that WE AS ADULTS know is likely to be more trauma (*for anyone awake*) even when doing the best to care and protect the natural state of innocence of a child by their parents if they are lucky...... Though not forever pure &/or free by birth, as they get conditioned obviously by too much information trying to hack its way into them and worst of all using their subconsciousness to do that, the very thing which SHOULD BE MOST HELPFUL & SACRED IN A PERSON OF ANY AGE =THE SUBCONSCIOUS POWERHOUSE....

 

But yeah as if planned (coz it kind of is by outside influences of not so friendly nature) meaning babies making their first steps in the world will stumble and fumble around a lot more than they should have to, unless they have best switched on parents with some smarts, but I suppose almost inevitable can leave in some situations their offspring prone to brain washing stuff out there (*not completely unattended, but you know what I mean, like in public places, sounds at large etc*)

 

Soooooo FOR A WHILE, (*as if temporary but not*) their young minds get only marginally stuck or intermittently where subject to mad stuff accumulating (I GUESS) and once amassed like some mental up-rising, can ultimately deregulate or interfere with what should else comeby them more naturally by information processing LESS THE BARBARISM BASICLY.... then subsequently sooner or later however (ie, pen-ultimately or whatever) the matter where were it to OVERWHELM could have the baby's brain retort in dismay
and throw up (subconsciously) in vaguely drawing on these mesmerizing NEW FIRST TIME experiences.....either simply allotting as a whole what it all means, OR broadly allocating BASIC meaning ---NOT QUITE LITERALLY a blow by blow account necessarily, of course, but in taking stock--- and amalgamating everything the child is exposed to by also not devoid of detail either I should imagine-- And so with that in mind, in among that data to process at some level, well all of it in a sense, but of what evaluated subconsciously let's say might only SOME things about 25-50% of stuff I GUESS of which could frighten baby??.... (WHO KNOWS) but POTENTIALLY carrying long term these interpretations by the many inputs of raw and often scrambled data storing (if at all memorized in baby- by you guessed it possible trauma or big discomfort experiences) and that which (initially at least) probably get taken on and decode (sts) as 'unattached' or 'unwitting' perceptions by baby's mind (which at this age I mean to say must be like conundrums that don't all have to be solved or even identified or concerned about because that's life as a baby, but which could proove harmful, whether memorized or not it is possible to conceive as a lot of that RAW ONCOMING RELENTLESS DATA once gets as a child is so sporadic and random - that it only gets remembered in fractal like portions or as distorted vague recollections, like that of a jigsaw- but that if traumatic in any sense I can well imagine can become most perturbing or troublesome if how the unattached thing at the start or inception of information gathering and how that was presented out in the world, or by interpretation, the key fault in how they gets memorized *or more likely only part memorized* if it starts to embed in the memory in a harmful and/or just simply non helpful way for growth and memory as a whole - whether for baby or adult frankly, these things have to be taken care over, depending on how fastidious or cautious one naturally is at the start)


BUT YEAH THEN ULTIMATELY, as the days and months pass,,  the mind boggles enough to get bounced too much around in an innately confusing way PLUUUUUUUS having to deal with the onslaught from a sticky web of disinformation in various formats ---- So both of natural manifestation or outcome as NATURE is a sort of matrix too, (a much more innocent/ benign one though, at least for a baby) but as we know in making "best assumptions" what are ALSO the meaner / more unforgiving aspects that MUST BE so damn distracting also by the constructs from THE PROGRAMMABLE WORLD IN GENERAL ....whereby any impressions formed of the world are stealing the babies prime time of perception by imprinting on them something not supposed to be, yet still in the baby's abilities probably at least in terms of open mindedness, that will to some degree go on unaffected on the one hand --> because subconsciousness is POWERFUL in overcoming just as it is A FORCE FOR GOOD TOO, when used well by *naturally subtle intelligence forming* gathering by living baby growing up in a sea of information (which are often LOUD sources belching out this information), but despite all this babies still obviously need to be protected from over-breach of infection of any subconscious mis-notion or deception etc,, put there from outside where it is clear the thing is not of natural origin....This of course in the better outcome to embrace the natural world by what is most important, just like any child needs to know it is BIO-LOGICAL, and should expect to be that, supported by what should be (realistically or not) an open & honest society taking care of its' young and future generations....

 

So as for subconsciousness again, theirs at their tender age, because it has so few actual regimens IF ANY to follow other than from mother, the baby's open-minded ability I wouldn't be surprised even exceeds some adults in terms of their inner awareness/ subconsciously at least, but that which they don't discern of course at the youngest tender age of especially below 3 years old is --who knows what exactly sometimes-- and therein lyes the devil in the detail foks!!...

Yet all this does still not mean of course what they go through is not traumatizing by being born and despite being clothed and fed, doubt and unknowing must to a large degree still beckon to reign supreme in baby's perception of trying make that abundantly obvious by crying, just as much as innate trust must serve to correlate with that by the mother, so crying in the MOST OBVIOUS sense is just natures way to remind mother to go on doing her job in maternal aspects and so sustaining a relationship where the confidence in mother & child is at least a basis for stability, even when the world we live in is anything but stable...

 

I might have side-tracked a bit......Blame my subconsciousness guys! 😁

 

 

I'll come back to the rest of what you said later, but just to elaborate on the 'system' as I am using that word. It is the entirety of the AI (not to be confused with the fake 'physical' AI at a human experience of it in this 'world') that encompasses our so called 3D and astral experience. It is the program running the simulation of human existence in and out of the 'body' in the 3D and astral. The astral is what most people refer to as the subconscious or unconscious state. You can make yourself conscious in subconscious or unconscious states but most people 'black out' 'fall asleep' between 4-8 Hz (Theta down to Delta brainwaves) and they have no or few memories of it. 

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4 hours ago, Phil26 said:

All of that is true. 

 

For those of school age going through that it was extremely traumatic, but to some extent it backfired in the system as many children and their parents realised what a scam the education system is. That it is designed only to control and condition children. It showed many parents they are better at actually teaching and encouraging other children to learn, and it gave a lot of children self confidence in self teaching and learning, many also helping siblings.

 

The 'pandemic' was a nightmare (dream state trauma) in more than one sense of the word, for most people. It was created to manifest here the way it did. I know it might sound weird but many of us who are familiar with so called out of body, Astral 'travelling' saw it coming. Being able to prepare for it made the practical aspects a bit easier but you could feel the pressure from everything and everyone around. On a 'subconscious' level people fought its manifestation 100%. The system had a lot worse planned. The 'divine sparks' as Icke would say, did amazingly well under terrible conditions.

 

It also had the upside that people realised how going to work is all about slavery. That most jobs are not needed and are designed just to keep you from thinking or doing anything else. People realised the only jobs that matter are those that produce things and help to sustain life. People started to appreciate that more. For example it made people think what if instead of propping up the 'financial markets' with useless office work wouldn't it be better if we put more energy into food production, especially on a local scale. Spending more time with family and friends, teaching our children and realising what and who are important to us.

 

Inadvertently the 'pandemic' has made people.more resilient. The system didn't want that.

 

The system saw the reaction of a growing sense of empathy and they tried to hijack it with fake 'community' on social media and celebs, but most saw through that bs. The system has been pushing narcissism for years now, in preparation for the 'pandemic', but that just made non narcissists more determined not to allow it to control them.

 

Even the system's attempts to isolate us failed. People couldn't wait to socialise again. And even after they nearly shut down the movie industry one of biggest grossing movies, Top Gun Maverick, was universally enjoyed and got people back into cinemas and SOCIALISING. People refused to accept the system's 'new normal' and the whole 'pandemic' has actually revealed a lot the system wanted hidden.

 

I understand why people might feel angry about the 'pandemic' but they have to let go of that or it will destroy them and give the system what it wants. They need to focus their energy somewhere else because you get what you focus on.

Yes. Shifting your mind on to more positive things, or just simply not engaging with the system programming, from a news point of view, works wonders. Video in particular has so many embedded hypnotic commands I simply will not watch it.

I do skim news from alternative sources, but I read it so I can remain in control of any information I absorb and do not let it seep into my subconscious.

 

What most still don't realise, or maybe, don't want to accept, is that we manifest everything. Therefore your belief system is of paramount importance.

We need to pay attention and stop walking around in the dream created for us simply for control.

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4 hours ago, Phil26 said:

I'll come back to the rest of what you said later, but just to elaborate on the 'system'

 

Yeah no worries mate, take your time....

4 hours ago, Phil26 said:

to elaborate on the 'system' as I am using that word. It is the entirety of the AI (not to be confused with the fake 'physical' AI at a human experience of it in this 'world')

 

Good basic explanation for it in all what you said there, so at the start there already, especially how the way some people (understandably) might have an idea of AI which might well be outdated if I am on the right track here, and which if what you are pointing to, is it a thing that although it might complete the picture to some satisfaction, that old idea of AI (if this is what you mean) was not anywhere near the reality of today's AI??... if public perception & understanding is limited for the true nature of today's AI capability, or modern AI was not known enough about or where this was all going in other words??....
However, what then if my assessment has any basis, presumably then we are talking an older form of, but basicly non-comparable in terms of competing with modern AI.... Therefore connected or not and even if all this reveals is I may just be a little confused by my own assumptions?? 🤔.. buuuut the sensible question in any case is--> was there even a definable or discernable predecessor to modern AI, and so sparking an evolution of AI, somehow resulting ultimately as we now know at the cutting edge stages in how it is applied.....etc?

 

it is quite an interesting thought, even if "fake by its' function at the former early stage" and despite the lack of what I can provide as a comparator to differentiate or marry the two?? Apart from we all know modern AI aims to rule by mastery of confusion and manipulation, but as by design the depth (or sophistication) of it is still ultimately very about fake forging realities by how this technology is used to create the Matrix whole system of things.

 

Well I wish to know in any case for "way back when" sakes of understanding please (in simple answer or whatever you like), so was the 'fake' (or half-baked even) counterpart of it pivotal in any way considered the forerunner (no matter how rudimentary or fatuous or hinged on some prototype in conceptual aspect in humble beginnings the whole idea may have been).... Did this predecessor thing - pertaining to AI - **even as an idea** WAY BACK WHEN does anyone know, even indirectly contribute to anything related to modern AI??.....A cheap version of AI?? that's one possible. 😁

 

I am going with the notion anyway you could mean with that a lessor or loosely symbolic sort of predecessor AI... or as one would suppose by this whatever being part of the gradual evolution of AI (directly related or not) ....purported I guess to exist in various strains of interpretation depending on the person (or the herd believing what they see & hear).... Though this means even if I am right in my reckoning as per its' introduction, it might still depend on the viewer within the realms of how indeed their own perception came to be through whatever lens projected onto the masses, and how they the masses believe "AI" in general, began life in speculative fashion compared with today where its amalgamating to appear everywhere, but back whenever it would of course be speculative compared to today just what was in store for us.... 

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Quick Example of Progressive Shift or Change in Impression or Advancement Observation (usually in approach of some New & Strange thing or on-Coming) ->

Similarly although SPACE ALIENS haven't probably morphed quite so much I suppose in most peoples imagination as AI secretively has, but let's say they (SA's) have the for hell of it -have created new impressions from ALL SORTS OF ALIENS & equally have evolved in the minds' eye we could believe, even if fabled or rumored to be etc.....That too would be an incremental shift of any keenly observed changes as perception and awareness meets in the middle, and people begin to see and even perceive more clearly the true nature of patterns or anything changing and evolving or re-embedding new or altered ideas... 
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Anyhow back onto AI odds n sods, even as I say that trying to bring distinction of one sort or another, I can't absolutely be sure what you mean in principle as fully as I look forward to hearing (or seeing) so for how to imagine the old AI... or put another way this "cheap imitation AI" or "lessor perhaps more casual form of AI" or even AKA "more general & nostalgic AI" 😂 like I dunno, but like something somebody might has seen in a movie, and therefore don't necessarily rush to correlate it to reality first hand unless they were futurists before their time had truly arrived, and could only speculate the future.

Thus~ As if something so futuristic could ever be brought upon humans as AI so to say would have been the mindset in the general population once upon a time before the year 2000..... But anyway without digressing too much ☺️ before I get the thread of what you mean maybe it might be easier to point at a common representation (a picture/ a portrait of an idea if that's enough?) of this "lessor AI" at what you point to as the "human experience level" for whatever audience reading this thread if we can show that in some key element of recognizable format or analogy... or indeed how it contributed to an evolutionary pattern thereof where technology including of its' inceptions all fell into line as they took aim at the future if that's what happened....and it were dangled in front of us on Big Screens, enough to be believed in our own reality as we know it to be?.... 

 

Rendering an image of this in anyone's head then, if it were even recognizable to the eye, what you might refer to, would it be to expect something in terms of being a bit more relatable to humans somehow despite the half alien concept AI already is, even fake AI? and were that for example almost down to earth was it but not all at the same time? I could imagine so especially if coming at people direct from the movies as the main source of it's inception of conception onto the general public, and where producers did not want to make "too alien" how AI in whatever form would come across.... Perhaps in order to not freak out the audience new to this idea etc? Anyway whatever this "old hat idea of AI" (whether caring on were it ever a real AI of any kind at the birth of it or not) this in any case could be the launch of what you are refering to as my guess (on the one side)...

However for all my guesswork you might still have to name this with more precision I'm afraid, although I think you are half-way there already.... but in its underlying essence or most common thematic resemblance, what would it appear like this"Old Hat AI" ?? especially when compared to the much more advanced AI of today.....?

Lol, I don't know is my answer. but it's kinda fun to guess. Ps, I don't watch Sci Fi or a great deal of anything on the film screen, so cannot bring to mind really any possible influential examples of AI being introduced to us on any level. Sorry if that was all a bit of a mouthful for anyone as clueless as I am, but I like to flesh things out sometimes.

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7 hours ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

To think all this which is most traumatic for a child/baby BEFORE EVEN 3 YEARS OLD, is startling enough, but anyway to start calm on this issue, without myself crying 😁 can I just confirm the irregulated subconsciousness of a baby or infant is what we are most talking about here, in terms of memory in bold when you say that?

 

Well see, because I put the bit of your last line in bold I had here better focus (at least for the moment) mostly on this (skipping the bit of the end as I feel a bit uncomfortable on the possibilities or not? there), so yeah to focus more what will happen to any child person AND WHY (the system killing all joy & expectation yeah that in large part, but maybe we can get more specific than just calling it "the System"....we'll see anyway) .... but "hootie hoo" I guess from a child's POV 😂 perhaps only getting to form substantial thought patterns upward of 3 years old, [-I mean I don't really know- this is part conjecture when hoping this to be close to the truth where particulars might come about or be seen most noticeable at a certain age than any other time] ..... but I suppose Phil you might in what you say imply or propose maybe there is a certain tipping point IS IT to suggest for a baby but before whatever time that is the baby will have virtually NO MEMORY it is so much freaking out like is the norm in one way I guess?? (me I don't know for sure as I am only 2 years old right now)....

 

But by the sounds of words you make to offer, it would seem especially true at this approximated time anyway as in to say in some regard EXTREMEMLY PIVOTAL, that this innate traumatization thing of being born onto this planet that BY ITSELF is painful enough, BUT THEN as will become apparent to them in due course GETS RETRAUMATIZED BY THE TRANSITION PAST THE PIVOTAL MARK??, but before that happens their subconsciousness reigns supreme up until the age of 3 is it for SURE as I would imagine true or don't we really know, and mothers of any kids out there??

 

Subconsciousness is a fascinating subject at any age, but me I don't want to lay bold claims to what really does happen when for a baby..... I haven't got much of a clue as I don't have direct experience with kids, but it would seem as if this by general certitude is what we might assume as the tipping point (roughly speaking) at a MEAGRE THREE y/o (if to take your word as any kind of gospel whereby you may well have done research there whereas I just use my own mind to assist me, sometimes that is) ....anyway 😅,, is where by various sources of stuff bombarding a baby's mind is utterly to it - like a mish mash of data-sets becomes implanted in them that WE AS ADULTS know is likely to be more trauma (*for anyone awake*) even when doing the best to care and protect the natural state of innocence of a child by their parents if they are lucky...... Though not forever pure &/or free by birth, as they get conditioned obviously by too much information trying to hack its way into them and worst of all using their subconsciousness to do that, the very thing which SHOULD BE MOST HELPFUL & SACRED IN A PERSON OF ANY AGE =THE SUBCONSCIOUS POWERHOUSE....

 

But yeah as if planned (coz it kind of is by outside influences of not so friendly nature) meaning babies making their first steps in the world will stumble and fumble around a lot more than they should have to, unless they have best switched on parents with some smarts, but I suppose almost inevitable can leave in some situations their offspring prone to brain washing stuff out there (*not completely unattended, but you know what I mean, like in public places, sounds at large etc*)

 

Soooooo FOR A WHILE, (*as if temporary but not*) their young minds get only marginally stuck or intermittently where subject to mad stuff accumulating (I GUESS) and once amassed like some mental up-rising, can ultimately deregulate or interfere with what should else comeby them more naturally by information processing LESS THE BARBARISM BASICLY.... then subsequently sooner or later however (ie, pen-ultimately or whatever) the matter where were it to OVERWHELM could have the baby's brain retort in dismay
and throw up (subconsciously) in vaguely drawing on these mesmerizing NEW FIRST TIME experiences.....either simply allotting as a whole what it all means, OR broadly allocating BASIC meaning ---NOT QUITE LITERALLY a blow by blow account necessarily, of course, but in taking stock--- and amalgamating everything the child is exposed to by also not devoid of detail either I should imagine-- And so with that in mind, in among that data to process at some level, well all of it in a sense, but of what evaluated subconsciously let's say might only SOME things about 25-50% of stuff I GUESS of which could frighten baby??.... (WHO KNOWS) but POTENTIALLY carrying long term these interpretations by the many inputs of raw and often scrambled data storing (if at all memorized in baby- by you guessed it possible trauma or big discomfort experiences) and that which (initially at least) probably get taken on and decode (sts) as 'unattached' or 'unwitting' perceptions by baby's mind (which at this age I mean to say must be like conundrums that don't all have to be solved or even identified or concerned about because that's life as a baby, but which could proove harmful, whether memorized or not it is possible to conceive as a lot of that RAW ONCOMING RELENTLESS DATA once gets as a child is so sporadic and random - that it only gets remembered in fractal like portions or as distorted vague recollections, like that of a jigsaw- but that if traumatic in any sense I can well imagine can become most perturbing or troublesome if how the unattached thing at the start or inception of information gathering and how that was presented out in the world, or by interpretation, the key fault in how they gets memorized *or more likely only part memorized* if it starts to embed in the memory in a harmful and/or just simply non helpful way for growth and memory as a whole - whether for baby or adult frankly, these things have to be taken care over, depending on how fastidious or cautious one naturally is at the start)


BUT YEAH THEN ULTIMATELY, as the days and months pass,,  the mind boggles enough to get bounced too much around in an innately confusing way PLUUUUUUUS having to deal with the onslaught from a sticky web of disinformation in various formats ---- So both of natural manifestation or outcome as NATURE is a sort of matrix too, (a much more innocent/ benign one though, at least for a baby) but as we know in making "best assumptions" what are ALSO the meaner / more unforgiving aspects that MUST BE so damn distracting also by the constructs from THE PROGRAMMABLE WORLD IN GENERAL ....whereby any impressions formed of the world are stealing the babies prime time of perception by imprinting on them something not supposed to be, yet still in the baby's abilities probably at least in terms of open mindedness, that will to some degree go on unaffected on the one hand --> because subconsciousness is POWERFUL in overcoming just as it is A FORCE FOR GOOD TOO, when used well by *naturally subtle intelligence forming* gathering by living baby growing up in a sea of information (which are often LOUD sources belching out this information), but despite all this babies still obviously need to be protected from over-breach of infection of any subconscious mis-notion or deception etc,, put there from outside where it is clear the thing is not of natural origin....This of course in the better outcome to embrace the natural world by what is most important, just like any child needs to know it is BIO-LOGICAL, and should expect to be that, supported by what should be (realistically or not) an open & honest society taking care of its' young and future generations....

 

So as for subconsciousness again, theirs at their tender age, because it has so few actual regimens IF ANY to follow other than from mother, the baby's open-minded ability I wouldn't be surprised even exceeds some adults in terms of their inner awareness/ subconsciously at least, but that which they don't discern of course at the youngest tender age of especially below 3 years old is --who knows what exactly sometimes-- and therein lyes the devil in the detail foks!!...

Yet all this does still not mean of course what they go through is not traumatizing by being born and despite being clothed and fed, doubt and unknowing must to a large degree still beckon to reign supreme in baby's perception of trying make that abundantly obvious by crying, just as much as innate trust must serve to correlate with that by the mother, so crying in the MOST OBVIOUS sense is just natures way to remind mother to go on doing her job in maternal aspects and so sustaining a relationship where the confidence in mother & child is at least a basis for stability, even when the world we live in is anything but stable...

 

I might have side-tracked a bit......Blame my subconsciousness guys! 😁

 

 

Reading through what you have said I think a lot of it comes down to memory, trauma, and brain and psychological development of babies and children, and how that is caused or affected by the system and the environment and reactions the child has to its environment.

 

A childs brain from birth to 3 years goes through incredibly complex changes. From 3-5 years there is a  'consolidation' stage where the brain is forming new networks that determine how the child will function as it gets older, there is some overlap with the stage from 4-7 years and by 8 years old the brain has consolidated itself in readiness for the next major changes that will occur from puberty onwards. Of course this is a massive oversimplification but you get the idea.

 

The fundamental control mechanism that is used on us is trauma. It is all around us consciously but more insidiously it is used on people when they 'sleep' and between 'lives'. I advise people to learn lucid dreaming and astral 'projection' as that will help them enormously to see what is going on. I suggest you learn it from a non religious source and free from dogma. I've heard a lot of good things about Robert Bruce's books in that area. My advice with these things is to start simple and keep at it no matter what.

 

Trauma causes corruption of our memories. It's like missing pieces of a puzzle, without all the pieces you'll never see the whole picture and you'll think it's something else.

 

Ironically trauma needs to be remembered to healed. Reliving it in an uncontrolled way is just the mind trying to heal, avoiding those memories will either cause more problems or lead to memory loss. You've probably heard of people who can't stop talking about something bad that happened to them and people don't understand why, but it is the person trying to consolidate the memory. The trauma tries to bury itself but the memory needs to be remembered for the person to be whole.

 

Babies still have some memories of past lives and in between lives, where the trauma is too much and the feeling of being born into a helpless body while realising they are 'back here again' (even on a subconscious level) causes them to cry and scream (hence babies who just can't stop crying until they cry themselves to sleep). On a side note I think that post natal depression is related to this trauma as while pregnant the mother and child share an overlapped consciousness.

 

The so called 'terrible twos' (I disagree with that characterisation) are in fact the last fight of the child's Will against being pulled into the system. That is why the government wants children in preschool as soon as they are walking (and sometimes before)l, to brainwash them before they get to 3 years old. It is the stage where children say "no" a lot, they throw 'tantrums' and become defiant against their parents over the smallest things. It's actually the last chance for a human to be themselves before the system indoctrination begins to really grind them down. Forcing them into a mass school system and a lifetime of stress and trauma.

 

Remembering everything is vital.

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2 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Yes. Shifting your mind on to more positive things, or just simply not engaging with the system programming, from a news point of view, works wonders. Video in particular has so many embedded hypnotic commands I simply will not watch it.

I do skim news from alternative sources, but I read it so I can remain in control of any information I absorb and do not let it seep into my subconscious.

 

What most still don't realise, or maybe, don't want to accept, is that we manifest everything. Therefore your belief system is of paramount importance.

We need to pay attention and stop walking around in the dream created for us simply for control.

Absolutely.

 

I agree the news is toxic in the extreme. And yes, you're right about being careful when using 'alternative' news sources, especially as most are just part of the system now.

 

We have to realise we have the ultimate responsibility and power over this manifestation. That is why the system puts so much effort into influencing and tricking us, because it cannot do it without us and our agreement.

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4 hours ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

Yeah no worries mate, take your time....

 

Good basic explanation for it in all what you said there, so at the start there already, especially how the way some people (understandably) might have an idea of AI which might well be outdated if I am on the right track here, and which if what you are pointing to, is it a thing that although it might complete the picture to some satisfaction, that old idea of AI (if this is what you mean) was not anywhere near the reality of today's AI??... if public perception & understanding is limited for the true nature of today's AI capability, or modern AI was not known enough about or where this was all going in other words??....
However, what then if my assessment has any basis, presumably then we are talking an older form of, but basicly non-comparable in terms of competing with modern AI.... Therefore connected or not and even if all this reveals is I may just be a little confused by my own assumptions?? 🤔.. buuuut the sensible question in any case is--> was there even a definable or discernable predecessor to modern AI, and so sparking an evolution of AI, somehow resulting ultimately as we now know at the cutting edge stages in how it is applied.....etc?

 

it is quite an interesting thought, even if "fake by its' function at the former early stage" and despite the lack of what I can provide as a comparator to differentiate or marry the two?? Apart from we all know modern AI aims to rule by mastery of confusion and manipulation, but as by design the depth (or sophistication) of it is still ultimately very about fake forging realities by how this technology is used to create the Matrix whole system of things.

 

Well I wish to know in any case for "way back when" sakes of understanding please (in simple answer or whatever you like), so was the 'fake' (or half-baked even) counterpart of it pivotal in any way considered the forerunner (no matter how rudimentary or fatuous or hinged on some prototype in conceptual aspect in humble beginnings the whole idea may have been).... Did this predecessor thing - pertaining to AI - **even as an idea** WAY BACK WHEN does anyone know, even indirectly contribute to anything related to modern AI??.....A cheap version of AI?? that's one possible. 😁

 

I am going with the notion anyway you could mean with that a lessor or loosely symbolic sort of predecessor AI... or as one would suppose by this whatever being part of the gradual evolution of AI (directly related or not) ....purported I guess to exist in various strains of interpretation depending on the person (or the herd believing what they see & hear).... Though this means even if I am right in my reckoning as per its' introduction, it might still depend on the viewer within the realms of how indeed their own perception came to be through whatever lens projected onto the masses, and how they the masses believe "AI" in general, began life in speculative fashion compared with today where its amalgamating to appear everywhere, but back whenever it would of course be speculative compared to today just what was in store for us.... 

-----

Quick Example of Progressive Shift or Change in Impression or Advancement Observation (usually in approach of some New & Strange thing or on-Coming) ->

Similarly although SPACE ALIENS haven't probably morphed quite so much I suppose in most peoples imagination as AI secretively has, but let's say they (SA's) have the for hell of it -have created new impressions from ALL SORTS OF ALIENS & equally have evolved in the minds' eye we could believe, even if fabled or rumored to be etc.....That too would be an incremental shift of any keenly observed changes as perception and awareness meets in the middle, and people begin to see and even perceive more clearly the true nature of patterns or anything changing and evolving or re-embedding new or altered ideas... 
-----
Anyhow back onto AI odds n sods, even as I say that trying to bring distinction of one sort or another, I can't absolutely be sure what you mean in principle as fully as I look forward to hearing (or seeing) so for how to imagine the old AI... or put another way this "cheap imitation AI" or "lessor perhaps more casual form of AI" or even AKA "more general & nostalgic AI" 😂 like I dunno, but like something somebody might has seen in a movie, and therefore don't necessarily rush to correlate it to reality first hand unless they were futurists before their time had truly arrived, and could only speculate the future.

Thus~ As if something so futuristic could ever be brought upon humans as AI so to say would have been the mindset in the general population once upon a time before the year 2000..... But anyway without digressing too much ☺️ before I get the thread of what you mean maybe it might be easier to point at a common representation (a picture/ a portrait of an idea if that's enough?) of this "lessor AI" at what you point to as the "human experience level" for whatever audience reading this thread if we can show that in some key element of recognizable format or analogy... or indeed how it contributed to an evolutionary pattern thereof where technology including of its' inceptions all fell into line as they took aim at the future if that's what happened....and it were dangled in front of us on Big Screens, enough to be believed in our own reality as we know it to be?.... 

 

Rendering an image of this in anyone's head then, if it were even recognizable to the eye, what you might refer to, would it be to expect something in terms of being a bit more relatable to humans somehow despite the half alien concept AI already is, even fake AI? and were that for example almost down to earth was it but not all at the same time? I could imagine so especially if coming at people direct from the movies as the main source of it's inception of conception onto the general public, and where producers did not want to make "too alien" how AI in whatever form would come across.... Perhaps in order to not freak out the audience new to this idea etc? Anyway whatever this "old hat idea of AI" (whether caring on were it ever a real AI of any kind at the birth of it or not) this in any case could be the launch of what you are refering to as my guess (on the one side)...

However for all my guesswork you might still have to name this with more precision I'm afraid, although I think you are half-way there already.... but in its underlying essence or most common thematic resemblance, what would it appear like this"Old Hat AI" ?? especially when compared to the much more advanced AI of today.....?

Lol, I don't know is my answer. but it's kinda fun to guess. Ps, I don't watch Sci Fi or a great deal of anything on the film screen, so cannot bring to mind really any possible influential examples of AI being introduced to us on any level. Sorry if that was all a bit of a mouthful for anyone as clueless as I am, but I like to flesh things out sometimes.

From what you've said I think you really should read The Trap and The Dream. Have you read those Icke books?

 

AI is non 'physical'. It really should.be called AC (artificial consciousness). Icke takes it a step further explaining the difference between AI and an unaware AI that could become aware. It's best if you read The Dream for more on that.

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