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On 2/5/2024 at 7:40 PM, Ethel said:

Artificial intelligence is a tool. Whether people like it or not, it is neutral and will only reflect humanity's own level of consciousness back at us. The entire premise of it's capacity to learn is that it will learn FROM US. Does this make it a danger? Probably.

 

But such a tool in the hands of a highly conscious humanity could actually be a tool which helped us. Internet searches are far more efficient using open AI than something like google. I do searches all the time with an open AI and have found it vastly superior to Google. I have no fear of the thing and neither should anyone else unless they are so lacking in awareness that they are likely to give their power away to it. 

 

Artificial intelligence does not HAVE to be a problem; if it is, it's humanity who will make it so.

But is it?

Your definition and understanding of AI comes from the perspective of humans having created it, which isn't what David Icke has written about. 

Imagine if right now there were beings saying the same thing about humans that you are saying about AI. That humans are just a resource, that they are neutral unless conditioned or programmed to be good or bad. But then what does that make humans?

Also it seems that most people, except for Icke and a few others, are looking at AI from the position of inside to outside, thus most think AI is 'something humans invented' INSIDE this world, but what if AI is made from the same infinite consciousness that humans are? 

Also unless anyone can definitively say what consciousness is how can they say AI isn't consciousness.

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On 2/5/2024 at 7:46 PM, Ethel said:

 

I have no idea about that, I may be wrong about this issue but i don't think I am. I think it will be a reflection of humanity's own level of consciousness in terms of how it treats us

 

Could it be both, an independent AI with it's own consciousness and reflect back to humanity. After all if AI is consciousness as we are then it and us would interact.

But where does this leave us when the entities are also using AI to trap humans in 3D and 4D?

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On 2/5/2024 at 7:53 PM, Macnamara said:

 

you don't get to choose your own facts

 

if i keep making correct calls then that means my perspective is the one in alignment with objective reality

Maybe there is no objective reality. If David Icke is right then all of us are experiencing a subjective reality with some overlap of experience, like the fake reincarnation cycle. So then everyone's opinion is valid and there are no facts but the ones we believe in.

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On 2/5/2024 at 8:03 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

But that's the crux. Humanity will. The people controlling humanity and steering it, will not use AI in a fluffy bunny type of way. And once you create an AI that can think for itself, humanity loses control of what happens next anyway.

But what if humanity never had control.of AI. It just let you think that you did. That the AI in this world is just a false representation of true AI, which is not artificial at all but made from consciousness. Calling it 'artificial' has tricked humans into thinking it is easy to control, made by humans and has a limit, all of which means humans have let it do what it wants as it does not see it as a threat. One of the oldest tricks in the book!

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On 2/5/2024 at 8:50 PM, Grumpy Grapes said:

Key to TPTB's planned future, I reckon, are crystals and crystalline technology. This bridges the gap between the physical and the non-physical; the Old age and the New Age Movement. 

 

The physical human body is full of crystalline substances and will be transformed into a body that can better hook the wearer up to a supposedly 'higher' intelligence. But that will be a deception. 

 

 

 

 

That's true.

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20 hours ago, Bombadil said:

My mum used to pull the plug out when we got carried away. I know it's not that simple but it probably is. If there is nothing powering the machine it cant work.

But what if what is powering the 'machine' is consciousness and obviously cannot be turned off.

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On 2/5/2024 at 5:39 PM, Mr H said:

With due respect I don't think David understands what AI is from your post.

 

AI has been around for almost 200 years and has none of the above characteristics.. many of which would be commonly seen as "good".

Have you read 'The Dream' yet? If not you should as David Icke describes AI in different forms and way beyond the materialistic concept in this world. 

It also connects with the things that happened to David Icke with the medium and his old gf and how that played out, read 'The Trap', those experiences of Icke really reveal a lot about the true nature of the AI in 4D, 3D and beyond. 

You can run your own experiments based on the information David Icke has discussed and see things for yourself.

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6 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Maybe there is no objective reality. If David Icke is right then all of us are experiencing a subjective reality with some overlap of experience, like the fake reincarnation cycle. So then everyone's opinion is valid and there are no facts but the ones we believe in.

 

then why don't you put it to the test. You could decide that gravity doesn't work and you could walk off a cliff. According to your theory you won't fall

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6 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Have you read 'The Dream' yet?

 

if there is no objective reality only your subjective opinion why would you even bother to read david as that would just be his subjective opinion?

 

if there is no objectie truth why bother listening to anyone at all? if morality is relative why not just do what YOU want to do even if it hurts other people?

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Below is one of the central figures of the world economic forum explaining to you what direction THEY intend to take you and your society; it's just a short 3 minute clip.

 

But first forget what random strangers on the internet try to tell you about AI. You have no idea who those individuals are. For example a common thing intelligence assets do is have a 'cover story' where they tell you an entirely fake history of themself. You have no way of verifying who anyone is here so in order to ascertain what is ACTUALLY going on in this world you have to look OBJECTIVELY at the information and let that be your guide.

 

For example we know that governments have agents on the internet trying to mislead people because that information has been leaked. They call this COGNITIVE INFILTRATION

 

So.......lets look at some objective information. Here is a central figure in the WEF saying what is going on relating to AI. This guy is from israel and israel is absolutely central to the AI agenda. Israel has a national military service for all of its young and the brightest of them are sent to work for Unit 8200 which is a cyberwarfare unit. Those people then create tech start-ups which appear to be private companies but which really are an extension of the israeli security state

 

What noah harari is telling you in this clip is that THEY have created an AI and that the AI is going to dictate your life to you. It is going to make decisions for you and klaus schwab of the WEF has said that elections will soon be redundant as AI will make those political decisions for us

 

Essentially they are paving the way to a 'technocracy' which is a system of government in which all of your energy useage is controlled by a central authority. This is done through making all of your appliances 'smart' so that they wirelessly transmit your data to the central authority and the central authority can then remotely control your appliances. Of course THEY don't have enough keyboard warriors to do this for every person on the planet so they need AI to handle all of that data

 

This is why they are putting AI at the centre of it all. This will make your entire world a PRISON where the bars are invisible and take the form of the barriers that AI can throw up in your life at anytime through its control of all the appliances

 

Now consider that if they make you have a microchip in your hand in order to continue to transact in the technocracy your microchip will decide if you can enter things including your own home which would have a smart lock on the doors. Lets say you wanted to get on a bus or use your smart-bicycle. You would have to swipe your chip to enter the bus or use your smart-bicycle. If they decide to stop you using those things they can simply shut off your microchip

 

David says that freedom is the freedom to choose and what i'm saying is that THEY intend to use AI to be able to decide what you can do down to the minute detail. This means you will no longer have any freedom as the choice is out of your hands. You will be their plaything

Yuval Noah Harari | AI and Useless Class | GREAT MINDS highlights

 

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11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

then why don't you put it to the test. You could decide that gravity doesn't work and you could walk off a cliff. According to your theory you won't fall

Actually gravity is variable (it isn't even a true constant) and if you astral project you would understand what I am saying. Gravity is subjective to the expectations and experience of the person experiencing it, even in 3D. 

Also people experience 'paranormal' experiences all the time which defy gravity.

If people listened to your 'logic' planes would never have been invented and no one would parachute out of a plane.

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11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

if there is no objective reality only your subjective opinion why would you even bother to read david as that would just be his subjective opinion?

 

if there is no objectie truth why bother listening to anyone at all? if morality is relative why not just do what YOU want to do even if it hurts other people?

The objective or subjective perspective of experience of reality is a completely different point to morality, which I was not discussing.

You ask why read David Icke if everything is subjective, then I ask why wouldn't you be interested in the subjective reality of others as they may be seeing truth that your subjective reality is missing.

There is simply no certain way for you to know if your experience of reality is objective. But we can know with certainty that we do experience subjective reality. 

If David Icke is right about 3D and 4D then everything is subjective with some objective agreements, that can come and go, under different conditions, which makes a lot of sense.

 

I wasn't talking about morality but as you asked about it I'll say this, morality has nothing to do with objective reality or truth. Morality is always relative, but just because it is relative it does not follow that you can do what you want. In fact the relative nature of morality is what makes morality fair and less likely to be abused. For example the sentencing for crimes and the way we behave differently under different circumstances. If you have a black and white non relative morality, which you are advocating for, there would never be a time where you would show mercy, compassion and you would also eventually let people do all sorts of unacceptable behaviour because immoral people would twist your rules to suit their own ends.

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4 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

 If you have a black and white non relative morality, which you are advocating for, there would never be a time where you would show mercy, compassion and you would also eventually let people do all sorts of unacceptable behaviour because immoral people would twist your rules to suit their own ends.

 

well ok so if a person tied you up and raped your wife in front of you then according to your relative morality model you should not complain as it would simply be your subjective judgment that their actions were wrong whilst to them it was an enjoyable experience and therefore not immoral

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10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

Below is one of the central figures of the world economic forum explaining to you what direction THEY intend to take you and your society; it's just a short 3 minute clip.

 

But first forget what random strangers on the internet try to tell you about AI. You have no idea who those individuals are. For example a common thing intelligence assets do is have a 'cover story' where they tell you an entirely fake history of themself. You have no way of verifying who anyone is here so in order to ascertain what is ACTUALLY going on in this world you have to look OBJECTIVELY at the information and let that be your guide.

 

For example we know that governments have agents on the internet trying to mislead people because that information has been leaked. They call this COGNITIVE INFILTRATION

 

So.......lets look at some objective information. Here is a central figure in the WEF saying what is going on relating to AI. This guy is from israel and israel is absolutely central to the AI agenda. Israel has a national military service for all of its young and the brightest of them are sent to work for Unit 8200 which is a cyberwarfare unit. Those people then create tech start-ups which appear to be private companies but which really are an extension of the israeli security state

 

What noah harari is telling you in this clip is that THEY have created an AI and that the AI is going to dictate your life to you. It is going to make decisions for you and klaus schwab of the WEF has said that elections will soon be redundant as AI will make those political decisions for us

 

Essentially they are paving the way to a 'technocracy' which is a system of government in which all of your energy useage is controlled by a central authority. This is done through making all of your appliances 'smart' so that they wirelessly transmit your data to the central authority and the central authority can then remotely control your appliances. Of course THEY don't have enough keyboard warriors to do this for every person on the planet so they need AI to handle all of that data

 

This is why they are putting AI at the centre of it all. This will make your entire world a PRISON where the bars are invisible and take the form of the barriers that AI can throw up in your life at anytime through its control of all the appliances

 

Now consider that if they make you have a microchip in your hand in order to continue to transact in the technocracy your microchip will decide if you can enter things including your own home which would have a smart lock on the doors. Lets say you wanted to get on a bus or use your smart-bicycle. You would have to swipe your chip to enter the bus or use your smart-bicycle. If they decide to stop you using those things they can simply shut off your microchip

 

David says that freedom is the freedom to choose and what i'm saying is that THEY intend to use AI to be able to decide what you can do down to the minute detail. This means you will no longer have any freedom as the choice is out of your hands. You will be their plaything

Yuval Noah Harari | AI and Useless Class | GREAT MINDS highlights

 

You fear AI is going to take over and control the world and the human race but it already has, or at least some AI has. The current technology you and others are seeing increasing in the world is simply a manifestation of 4D into 3D. The technology 'prison' you describe has already happened, it exists, but it needs your fear and energy to bring it into your experience.

People trying to stop it in 3D by approaching it as a 3D problem will fail to stop it. Analogy being if you saw someone was vomiting from internal bleeding and you just tried to stop it by hydration and not eating, their internal bleeding would continue until they died. You need to see beyond the surface of 3D to understand 3D.

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4 hours ago, novymir said:

None of this is real. Including this so-called "me".

This consciousness isolated itself from reality. 

 

This consciousness made up this world. 

 

We and the world are internal projections of that consciousness. 

 

It started with an idea. The results of the idea speak for themselves. 

 

This consciousness is subjecting itself to the experience of insanity.

 

There's your "Grand Illusion". There's your "Wonderful World".

 

"Lucifer's Bright Idea".

 

 

 

 

You got in over your head. 

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Simplicity is of The Divine. Complexity is not.

 

 

ps;

If you're having a good time and enjoying the show...this message isn't for you.

But then, why are you complaining?

Well, you're in the right place, because in Reality there's nothing to complain about. That could be called a "lack" I guess...ask(insist) and it is given...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But even though this reality has been created by consciousness consciousness has many separate parts and beings. We are not creating our own suffering. There are different beings and energy and those are in opposition to how they see reality. Consciousness isn't one happy child god building.this out of playdoh! Consciousness is a vast number of beings, ideas, thoughts thought forms etc. all in conflict of Will. 

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12 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

well ok so if a person tied you up and raped your wife in front of you then according to your relative morality model you should not complain as it would simply be your subjective judgment that their actions were wrong whilst to them it was an enjoyable experience and therefore not immoral

An enjoyable experience can be immoral and often is for criminals. Not sure why you think enjoying something makes it less immoral.

People with black and white thinking, such as you are presenting, will often come out with extreme and erroneous examples such as yours.

Explain why you interpret relative as 'anything goes' when in fact if morals are relative the opposite is true.

'Anything goes' is a non relative way of thinking as it is a black and white assumption. You allowing everything as ok is a good vs evil, black and white philosophy. There is no relativism in your 'everything is ok' philosophy.

So you think there are no circumstances where something considered immoral could be a good thing and actually morally correct?

Abortion for example.

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19 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

An enjoyable experience can be immoral and often is for criminals. Not sure why you think enjoying something makes it less immoral.

People with black and white thinking, such as you are presenting, will often come out with extreme and erroneous examples such as yours.

Explain why you interpret relative as 'anything goes' when in fact if morals are relative the opposite is true.

'Anything goes' is a non relative way of thinking as it is a black and white assumption. You allowing everything as ok is a good vs evil, black and white philosophy. There is no relativism in your 'everything is ok' philosophy.

So you think there are no circumstances where something considered immoral could be a good thing and actually morally correct?

Abortion for example.

 

moral relativism is when people believe that what is right is what is good for them and what is wrong is what is bad for them

 

so for a moral relatavist raping your wife for fun would be ok because there is no objective right or wrong only what they want or don't want ie what they decide is good or bad

 

if you support that then you mustn't complain if your wife is raped because then that would just be your subjective opinion about the matter and not an objective immorality

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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

moral relativism is when people believe that what is right is what is good for them and what is wrong is what is bad for them

 

so for a moral relatavist raping your wife for fun would be ok because there is no objective right or wrong only what they want or don't want ie what they decide is good or bad

 

if you support that then you mustn't complain if your wife is raped because then that would just be your subjective opinion about the matter and not an objective immorality

This discussion has nothing to do with rape.

I see you have avoided all other aspects of this discussion. Interesting as rape is really about control.

Ironically you have previously posted about your fear of AI taking control, while actually AI is already in control of 3D through 4D. Maybe you have a subconscious understanding of that.

Morals are a construct and by definition subjective. Each of us has to decide for ourselves what our morals are. No matter your perspective, and the amount of emotional energy you spend on it, it will not change someone's else's morals. 

From reading your comments it strongly suggests you are a high control personality type but sometimes that can lead those with that type to feel frustrated. They also like to see the world in an objective black or white light. The universe is not like that at all. 

You never answered if you have read 'The Dream', have you? If not I highly recommend you read it. It will give you a different perspective.

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28 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

This discussion has nothing to do with rape.

I see you have avoided all other aspects of this discussion. Interesting as rape is really about control.

Ironically you have previously posted about your fear of AI taking control, while actually AI is already in control of 3D through 4D. Maybe you have a subconscious understanding of that.

Morals are a construct and by definition subjective. Each of us has to decide for ourselves what our morals are. No matter your perspective, and the amount of emotional energy you spend on it, it will not change someone's else's morals. 

From reading your comments it strongly suggests you are a high control personality type but sometimes that can lead those with that type to feel frustrated. They also like to see the world in an objective black or white light. The universe is not like that at all. 

You never answered if you have read 'The Dream', have you? If not I highly recommend you read it. It will give you a different perspective.

 

i have not read the dream yet

 

I appreciate that using rape as an example is a horrific example and i kinda regret it a bit but it was to really hit home the point i'm trying to make about MORAL RELATAVISM

 

You and me were speaking about if there is an objective reality and that is why we are speaking about moral relatavism. The moral relatavists say that morality is subjective so i used a horrible example as a way to show what the implications of such a mindset is

 

The implication is anything goes but i do not agree with that. I know that such an act is morally wrong. it is the law written on my heart. It is my conscience and anyone who doesn't know that such an act is wrong is a psychopath

 

Moral relatavism is one of the 4 central pillars of the satanic religion and david icke speaks about the role of the sabbateans in the conspiracy. The sabbateans are essentially MORAL RELATAVISTS who argue against the existence of any morality: anything goes essentially

 

Perhaps i am not explaining this clearly but for me this is coming into sharper and sharper focus how the people behind the conspiracy are the way they are because they are moral relatavists

 

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22 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

From reading your comments it strongly suggests you are a high control personality type

 

i'm not out there making people lockdown or take experimental jabs no. those are the people you need to be concerned about

 

i however am not their slave or their pincushion. You can choose to demonise me instead of them but i suggest you are aiming at the wrong target

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3 hours ago, Phil26 said:

But even though this reality has been created by consciousness consciousness has many separate parts and beings. We are not creating our own suffering. There are different beings and energy and those are in opposition to how they see reality. Consciousness isn't one happy child god building.this out of playdoh! Consciousness is a vast number of beings, ideas, thoughts thought forms etc. all in conflict of Will. 

 

You're talking about the illusion, which by definition isn't real and is a deceit.

 

It's not "reality". To continue to insist that it is is the cause of "suffering". You don't "create" Reality. You are not GOD. (go ahead and deny it...).

(hell---oooh!... how do you think we got here?)

 

The "world" and the whole of the illusion is a fantasy. 

 

Actually, nothing is "different" or "separate" in Reality. Attempting to "be" what-is-impossible only results in "being" the opposite of WHAT IS. Basically a private fantasy-self ; separate, tiny, little, finite, weak. Perishable. Deceived. Exploited. Abused.

 

We virtually left The Unlimited(Infinity), all ideas about "creating your own reality" are a farce, all one can "create" with deceit is miscreation, an internal hell.

 

Conditioning, desensitizing, and imposed blindness only serves to cover up these facts.

 

The only thing Truth works towards is Remembrance and Return, It doesn't validate lies and illusions, It invalidates them.

 

 

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I imagine that there are many different kinds of "Intelligences"...

 

But what exactly is Intelligence? Where does it come from? If we are talking about the word "Artificial", NOTHING is artificial...what comes from the Earth is the Earth, and what is built on Earth is the Earth...

 

So, if we are calling this thing artificial intelligence, could "Artificial" just be another name for "Foreign"? Outside of this world?

 

Could this device be built with outside minerals being harvested in space? That are being taken into this world, and merging with or infecting this one? (Seems typical for a low vibrational entity to think its funny to call itself a Virus and tell the world how we need to save everyone from a Deadly virus by injecting that same virus into everyone) 

 

And, some of us have long since known that Anti-gravity vehicles--which have made rocket propelled vehicles incredibly obsolete for a long time--yet, here we are still subject to the scary fuselage and jet fuel...ARE THE REASON FOR ALOT OF THINGS...

 

Sometimes I've often wondered if--The moon is a natural satellite--and it is there to communicate with other intelligences (Good and bad)  could our phones and devices contain similar elements from the moon OR other moons that correspond with the Deadly Virus depending on the planetary alignments and phases that could have an even more positive or negative effect on us? (Depending on the space weather) ?

 

if I was a deadly virus, I'd be pretty paranoid to if I knew my time was coming to an end...

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Love is the law, the whole of the law, nothing is forbidden, everything is permitted. This is about Reality...

 

 

 

Go ahead, try to break or bend the law...see where it gets you...

 

 

 

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GOD is not threatened or worried in the least.

 

 

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On 2/5/2024 at 12:50 AM, Phil26 said:

What do you think? Does this mean there is good AI?

 

for there to be a 'good' Ai you would have to accept that there is such a thing as good and bad and therefore that objective morality exists but you said that morality is relative so therefore you cannot speculate about a 'good' AI as in a moral relatavist world view no such thing can exist

 

you might hear such a person argue that 'everything is permitted'. Do you believe that? Do you believe that it is acceptable to do terrible things to other people or for other people to do terrible things to you? I don't

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