David spreading negativity?

[Macnamara]

On 3/4/2024 at 12:30 AM, Phil26 said:

While it is fair to say women have been treated badly as a group for some time

 

I'm reading a book where people in suffolk were interviewed in 1967. The people are of all ages from the young right to old people who could remember before the great war

 

The men were described as being broken by the work load of working on the land prior to mechanisation. The women also had it tough but it says they were never broken in the same way that the men were

 

men and women have both had their challenges. The injustice of modern feminism is its total ignore-ance of the challenges faced by men both past and present. For example why do more men commit suicide then women?

 

In the book the hardships eased with mechanisation but the new comforts including TV brought its own problems and it says there were a lot of suicides in the 60's: mostly men. Feminists don't even acknowledge mens struggles or it seems at times even that men are humans with feelings

Edited March 5, 2024 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

On 3/4/2024 at 12:19 AM, Phil26 said:

That is one level of the system.

 

so my concern about where the new age takes the discussion is that when i hear people talking about things like the law of attraction it always strikes me that they are making excuses for why they are not actually going to DO anything to change things

 

When i then make very reasonable suggestions about things people can change in their life and explain why these changes need to happen they start making excuses for why they won't do any of them

 

This is why nothing gets better

[Phil26]

35 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

@RobinJ

 

if you look at all the major figures in the marxist feminist movement they are all jewish

 

now ask yourself why jewish, marxist, feminists would want women to believe that a 'patriarchy' (a conspiracy of men including those women's own husbands and boyfriends) is in control of society instead of believing that a conspiracy of sabbatean-jewish central bankers like the rockefellers and rothschilds etc are in control of society?

 

hmmm gee, well let me think! Could it be that they would rather turn women and men against each other rather than have them unite against the sabbatean banksters? And you know what's so annoying about it? That so many women fall for the trick

You're right that it is a divide and conquer tactic, just like racism.

 

Unfortunately many men have fallen for it too. Then there is the problem that the elites created real disparity for both men and women against each other in different areas of life so resentment would lead to contempt. On top of that the elites created a sexualised culture that degrades women and children (in fact it degrades all humans but that's not as obvious) and they normalise rape. In fact a lot of men are experiencing male on male rape in increasing numbers since the rise in popularity of rape porn/homosexual rape porn. The majority of the offenders and victims are not homosexuals according to the statistics. 

 

Because of the climate of conflict created by the elite we now have INCELs, blackpill, women hating manosphere and women on the opposite side, both becoming staked out in their own territories. But it's all manipulation by the entities of the simulation. 

 

While we recognise the elite have completely staged this 'war', we also need to recognise the elites have caused actual inequality. Otherwise  people would have realised they were being manipulated by now. Women do get paid less on average and due to biology and other factors childcare tends to fall on women. While at the same time men are being marginalised and their issues, such as high depression and suicide rates are being ignored. In addition to this boys and young men are falling behind in learning and academics. The false assumption being they are born bad communicators so why bother!

 

Interestingly both mothers and fathers talk less to baby boys than girls, due to this by the age of five girls have a much better vocabulary. But there is no reason why men and women can't communicate at the same high level.

 

The assumptions and expectations of each sex put out by the entities is causing all of that. They want a constant state of conflict. Look at narcissists to see how those entities think, the men vs women construction is typical narcissistic triangulation.

[Phil26]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

 

Out of interest, where do you get your information about the astral, personal experience or from someone else? 

 

Both. We all have our own experience and we can learn a lot from others also. But our own experience cannot be replaced by others tellingus about theirs!

 

1 hour ago, Campion said:

I've tried a few times to astral travel (OOBE) in the past, with only a couple of very brief successes. Can you share anything about your methods and techniques to get into the astral?

I will contact you through the astral if you would like? I'll answer your questions there. If you are truly willing and ready it will become obvious to you.

 

1 hour ago, Campion said:

And how to keep yourself safe in what sounds like a dangerous place - that's one thing which puts me off trying more.

That's probably the biggest aspect stopping you. 

 

It is a common misconception that if you don't remember being in the astral that you haven't 'been there'. But in fact you have a presence 'there' as you are in the 'simulation' 'here'. Also there are many aspects to the astral that you will only fully understand when you make yourself fully conscious of your presence there (and here) at all times.

 

Does it concern you that you have little or no memory of about a third of your life? Or that you are compelled to 'go to sleep' after a certain amount of time? 

 

1 hour ago, Campion said:

 

But if that's where we're going after earthly death, perhaps we should all get prepared for it while we're alive. 

Exactly.

 

It's vital.

[Phil26]

48 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm reading a book where people in suffolk were interviewed in 1967. The people are of all ages from the young right to old people who could remember before the great war

 

The men were described as being broken by the work load of working on the land prior to mechanisation. The women also had it tough but it says they were never broken in the same way that the men were

 

men and women have both had their challenges. The injustice of modern feminism is its total ignore-ance of the challenges faced by men both past and present. For example why do more men commit suicide then women?

That's actually a generalized stereotyping of women, and is in fact YOU falling for the very thing you have said women have fallen for!!!

 

You're giving in to the ingroup/outgroup mentality of the elites!!!

 

"Feminism" is not bad per se. Sure the intention of the elites was to weaponize it, but people, good people, both men and women, have a way of subverting their plans.

 

1. There are both men and women who are feminists.

"Feminist - an advocate of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes; a person who supports feminism.". 

2. There are many different groups and subgroups of feminists, they are not one homogenised group with one voice.

3. There are real issues.of inequality faced by women.

Gender pay gap in UK - statistics

And if you read that report you will see it says that the gender pay gap is DECREASING, which has only occurred due to feminist activism by male and female feminists.

That is good for both men and women and it raises HOUSEHOLD income for COUPLES and FAMILIES. So men are better off if their female partners are paid fairly. Don't you think that is a good thing for everyone?

4. Men can be helped, and have been helped by feminism with mental health issues.

I'm fact feminists advocate for men to be whoever they are and not have to feel stereotyped into the 'John Wayne' stereotype who would definitely not seek help for emotional problems.

Why Feminism Is Good For Men's mental health

 

You ask why suicide rates are higher in men, in the same breath you make women responsible for it and blame feminism for supposedly ignoring it. All of which is elite propaganda and untrue. Also ask yourself this, since when has the average man given any thought to women's mental health issues? Such as post natal depression, rape and abuse trauma, one in three women suffering violence in her own home and much more. Those issues are not on men's discussion radar if we're being honest about it. Doesn't come up much down the pub does it!

 

48 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

weIn the book the hardships eased with mechanisation but the new comforts including TV brought its own problems and it says there are a lot of suicides in the 60's. Mostly men. Feminists don't even acknowledge mens struggles or it seems at times even that men are humans with feelings

That's the system talking THROUGH YOUR (CON)DITIONING. They are feeding you a victim mentality at the 'hands of feminists' and you're falling for it.

 

If you think about it it makes no sense for you to think "...it seems at times even that men are humans with feelings". That sounds like your thinking has been hijacked. You also said "seems" so you're kind of admitting to yourself it's a vague influence you're aware of. Also if we're honest the system conditions us to ACT like we don't have feelings, so it's not surprising if women get the impression we don't have them. Look at TV and movies for example and now INCELs, the manosphere and people like Andrew Tate saying women are objects to be used.  Ask yourself how are women expected to think men are caring empathetic humans with feelings when all over the internet there is evidence to the contrary.

 

Look, the entities want men and women to be enemies. I say we don't give in to that. We don't take sides, we don't generalise or stereotype ANYONE, not feminists or any other group. Let's all of us start communicating as individuals and communicate in a way that gives us all the advantages while refusing to let those psychopathic narcissist entities get anything they want.

[Macnamara]

55 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

Women do get paid less on average and due to biology and other factors childcare tends to fall on women.

 

If you compare like for like women and men, women do NOT earn less; for example compare an unmarried man with no kids to an unmarried women with no kids and the woman earns more. After 30 things change but the reason isn't prejudice towards women, it's because women tend to CHOOSE a better work-life balance.

 

Reverse Gender Gap: Study Says Young, Childless Women Earn More Than Men

As women under 30 pursue college, they're earning more in the workplace.

ByABC News

September 1, 2010, 11:27 PM

Sept. 1, 2010 — -- A growing number of women across the country are upending the conventional wisdom about a gender gap in pay.

These women earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts, according to a new study of Census data from Reach Advisors, a market research firm.

But there's a big caveat -- the so-called reverse gender gap applies only to women who are unmarried, without children and younger than 30-years-old.

https://abcnews.go.com/WN/reverse-gender-gap-study-young-childless-women-earn/story?id=11538401

Warren Farrell ends the gender pay gap debate once and for all

 

[Macnamara]

16 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

That's actually a generalized stereotyping of women

 

You ask why suicide rates are higher in men, in the same breath you make women responsible for it and blame feminism for supposedly ignoring it.

 

where did i make 'women' responsible for it? I was talking about feminism which has largely been co-opted by marxists? I didn't even proffer a reason for why men are committing suicide more, i just said feminism doesn't seem to be bothered by it

 

also where did i stereotype 'women' as i was talking about feminism not women in general?

Edited March 5, 2024 by Macnamara

[Phil26]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

so my concern about where the new age takes the discussion is that when i hear people talking about things like the law of attraction it always strikes me that they are making excuses for why they are not actually going to DO anything to change things

Don't start me on the law of attraction, that bs is a f**king mind virus on humanity - it literally is.

 

People do use the LOA as an excuse to do nothing to change their lives, they also use it to hide from the fact that the system is rigged to make them suffer. It is also terrible that the 'thinking' (if you can call it that) behind the people who practice the LOA is just about getting one over on others to show how wealthy, successful and famous they are and how they can attract the 'perfect' partner to show off either a trophy wife or their supposed 'soulmate/twinflame bs.

The LOA is disgusting on all levels.

 

Hey, but apparently it's great for getting just the right parking space.

 

Everyone I have met who says they use the LOA seems to be stuck in a permanent mindset of confirmation bias. 

 

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

When i then make very reasonable suggestions about things people can change in their life and explain why these changes need to happen they start making excuses for why they won't do any of them

 

This is why nothing gets better

That is the reaction you're going to get from the new age mindset. It's designed to create learned helplessness. The new age attracts people who do not take responsibility for themselves and who look for saviours.

[Phil26]

7 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

If you compare like for like women and men, women do NOT earn less; for example compare an unmarried man with no kids to an unmarried women with no kids and the woman earns more. After 30 things change but the reason isn't prejudice towards women, it's because women tend to CHOOSE a better work-life balance.

 

Reverse Gender Gap: Study Says Young, Childless Women Earn More Than Men

As women under 30 pursue college, they're earning more in the workplace.

ByABC News

September 1, 2010, 11:27 PM

Sept. 1, 2010 — -- A growing number of women across the country are upending the conventional wisdom about a gender gap in pay.

These women earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts, according to a new study of Census data from Reach Advisors, a market research firm.

But there's a big caveat -- the so-called reverse gender gap applies only to women who are unmarried, without children and younger than 30-years-old.

https://abcnews.go.com/WN/reverse-gender-gap-study-young-childless-women-earn/story?id=11538401

Warren Farrell ends the gender pay gap debate once and for all

 

You're still falling for your mind being hijacked.

 

Why are you still trying to "WIN AN ARGUMENT" that has no purpose except to give ENERGY TO THE ENTITIES WHO ARE F**KING WITH YOU!

 

There is no "gender gap debate". It is an elite CONSTRUCTION. Let it go.

 

Just ask yourself this - how has what you have just communicated helped anyone except the entities who want everyone to be in conflict?

 

How about this instead. We agree that both men and women should be paid more fairly. That at any time we see a disparity in pay that is unfair to a woman or man that we oppose that unfairness for those individuals - if we see it in the real world. That we don't get bogged down in propaganda, YouTube videos or similar that is obviously only trying to hijack our thoughts and feelings to manipulate us.

[Macnamara]

6 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

Just ask yourself this - how has what you have just communicated helped anyone except the entities who want everyone to be in conflict?

 

How about this instead. We agree that both men and women should be paid more fairly.

 

why don't you return to my initial post above which seems to have triggered you and read it again and you will see that i said that both men and women have had their challenges

 

my point in making these points is to bring balance and to undermine the false notion that a conspiracy of men (a patriarchy) is what is in control and therefore what must be combatted.

 

what is needed is a more FAIR and ACCURATE look at history and when that is done it will heal the lies spread by marxist feminists as both men and women will be able to see that men have suffered terribly and therefore this modern attack on men is unwarranted and part of a conspiracy of divide and rule. How can a woman hate men if they learn more and empathise more with the journey and experience of men? They can't as the false narrative is exposed, the spell is broken and the divide heals

Edited March 5, 2024 by Macnamara

[Phil26]

13 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

where did i make 'women' responsible for it? I was talking about feminism which has largely been co-opted by marxists?

 

also where did i stereotype 'women' as i was talking about feminism not women in general?

It's actually insulting to women, and presumptuous, for a man to make that distinction. I wouldn't.

 

You said that feminists, which includes a large number of WOMEN "ignore" men's problems. That is you saying they should therefore give men's problems attention, including large numbers of women! You can't use 'women' instead of women as there are no figurative women - feminists or not they are still LITERAL actual women not a symbol or a metaphor of a woman. Your use of 'women' is incorrect.

 

That would be like asking you if are you a 'man' or a man? Do you see how incorrect the way you emphasized woman is?

 

Look, take a few deep breaths, switch off YouTube and go and do something you enjoy. 

 

In your current mindset you are simply in fight mode. Your mind is hijacked right now.

 

It's obvious from your reactions, that and how you missed most of what I said.

 

Remember who the enemy really is.

[Phil26]

10 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

why don't you return to my initial post above which seems to have triggered you and read it again and you will see that i said that both men and women have had their challenges

 

my point in making these points is to bring balance and to undermine the false notion that a conspiracy of men (a patriarchy) is what is in control and therefore what must be combatted.

 

what is needed is a more FAIR and ACCURATE look at history and when that is done it will heal the lies spread by marxist feminists as both men and women will be able to see that men have suffered terribly and therefore this modern attack on men is unwarranted and part of a conspiracy of divide and rule. How can a woman hate men if they learn more and empathise more with the journey and experience of men? They can't as the false narrative is exposed, the spell is broken and the divide heals

Please tell me you did not just use the phrase "the journey...of men".  Oh  come on dude, have you just come back from one of those new age men's sweat lodge weekends. 

 

By the way, I never said there was a patriarchy, that was RobinJ.

 

You are projecting that YOU are triggered. I mean, look at what you're posting. Just breathe a little....

 

I'm not arguing with you. I have no fight with you. 

 

Ask yourself why you're arguing so hard to "prove" ONE SIDE of a FALSE narrative created by entities to wind you up and suck energy out of you, which is what is happening to you RIGHT NOW.

 

Open your eyes.

[Macnamara]

12 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

It's actually insulting to women, and presumptuous, for a man to make that distinction. I wouldn't.

 

You said that feminists, which includes a large number of WOMEN "ignore" men's problems. That is you saying they should therefore give men's problems attention, including large numbers of women! You can't use 'women' instead of women as there are no figurative women - feminists or not they are still LITERAL actual women not a symbol or a metaphor of a woman. Your use of 'women' is incorrect.

 

that's gobbledegook

 

if i meant all women i would have said 'women'. I meant a particular ideological movement that is launching an attack on men

 

if you look at the clip i posted above, it features warren farrell who was himself a feminist explaining this about the feminism movement which he knows a lot more about then you do so listen and learn

[Macnamara]

4 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

Please tell me you did not just use the phrase "the journey...of men".

 

yes that book i mentioned was talking about a transition from working on the land with handtools to working on the land with mechanised machines

 

it also covers issues of land ownership, land useage and also changes occurring before, during, between and after the two world wars

 

people have most definately been on a journey in terms of the changes that are described by the children and adults of both genders in that book

 

why is this important? It's important because creating a story of a journey for women is exactly what feminism seeks to do. So i'm simply injecting some balance to that process by saying that men have also had their challenges. For example those men described as being broken by their life working the land were then conscripted to be slaughtered in two world wars

 

Understanding these things provides PERSPECTIVE and BALANCE which are surely the bedrock of mental health and fair dealing both of which i would argue the marxist feminists have sought to upend

[Phil26]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

yes that book i mentioned was talking about a transition from working on the land with handtools to working on the land with mechanised machines

 

it also covers issues of land ownership, land useage and also changes occurring before, during, between and after the two world wars

 

people have most definately been on a journey in terms of the changes that are described by the children and adults of both genders in that book

 

why is this important? It's important because creating a story of a journey for women is exactly what feminism seeks to do. So i'm simply injecting some balance to that process by saying that men have also had their challenges. For example those men described as being broken by their life working the land were then conscripted to be slaughtered in two world wars

 

Understanding these things provides PERSPECTIVE and BALANCE which are surely the bedrock of mental health and fair dealing both of which i would argue the marxist feminists have sought to upend

You seem overly concerned with 'mental health' in respect to this topic when it is really unrelated.

 

One point, just to correct you but most feminists aren't Marxists. There are plenty of feminists, men and women, from all political positions. Plenty that are happily married stay at home mum and dad's. Christian, atheist, all types of MEN and women from all walks of life.

 

It's strange you don't recognise men who are feminists. 

 

Ah, the irony of the subject of this thread.

 

David Icke stops the type of negativity that pointless point scoring causes.

 

You're not winning anything. The entities win every time you for fall it.

 

You're currently falling for the"feminism Marxist" program.

[RobinJ]

Feminism or other labels have nothing to do with this topic. I don't identify as a label of any kind. You can't leave the matrix if you are stuck in the programed ego thinking mind box.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm reading a book where people in suffolk were interviewed in 1967. The people are of all ages from the young right to old people who could remember before the great war

 

The men were described as being broken by the work load of working on the land prior to mechanisation. The women also had it tough but it says they were never broken in the same way that the men were

 

men and women have both had their challenges. The injustice of modern feminism is its total ignore-ance of the challenges faced by men both past and present. For example why do more men commit suicide then women?

 

In the book the hardships eased with mechanisation but the new comforts including TV brought its own problems and it says there were a lot of suicides in the 60's: mostly men. Feminists don't even acknowledge mens struggles or it seems at times even that men are humans with feelings

Some great points Mac. I love Jordan Peterson's take on the idea of 'Patriarch'; and he always raises interesting counter-arguments or at least providing a much wider context than the woke driven version. Don't get me wrong, I know Peterson is no guru or saviour. 

 

The 'World' seems to have changed for the worse for men over the last 30 or 40 years, whereas you could argue that life has gotten better for women. I mean from a wider perspective, we are all getting screwed and we are all worse off. But from a gender perspective the scales have certainly moved towards women. Yes, you can argue that it was too heavily the other way in the past, and you might be right, but my point is rather, the impact on these changes for men has been brutal going. 

Edited March 6, 2024 by BornFreeNowAgain

[RobinJ]

7 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Some great points Mac. I love Jordan Peterson's take on the idea of 'Patriarch'; and he always raises interesting counter-arguments or at least providing a much wider context than the woke driven version. Don't get me wrong, I know Peterson is no guru or saviour. 

 

The 'World' seems to have changed for the worse for men over the last 30 or 40 years, whereas you could argue that life has gotten better for women. I mean from a wider perspective, we are all getting screwed and we are all worse off. But from a gender perspective the scales have certainly moved towards women. Yes, you can argue that it was too heavily the other way in the past, and you might be right, but my point is rather, the impact on these changes for men has been brutal going. 

Jordan Peterson, best friend of the cabal.

Who would argue that life has got better fir anyone regardless of gender? Its ALL about division and separation including all the trans and hay stuff. The smallest box is the box in our mind where we believed all their dogmatic bullshit. Of folks stopped believing all the deliberate mind programing we could all just get along perhaps without the need for overlords who only seek to remove the true beauty of what being human can be.

[Phil26]

11 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Feminism or other labels have nothing to do with this topic. I don't identify as a label of any kind. You can't leave the matrix if you are stuck in the programed ego thinking mind box.

You did bring it up.

 

You might not identify with any labels but you live in a  world that judges you on labels. A woman or man, black or white etc. While it is good to avoid giving labels to yourself it is foolish to think others won't see according to their perceived labels. It's not right but it is the way it is.

[Phil26]

22 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

Jordan Peterson, best friend of the cabal.

That's true.

 

22 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

Who would argue that life has got better fir anyone regardless of gender? Its ALL about division and separation including all the trans and hay stuff. The smallest box is the box in our mind where we believed all their dogmatic bullshit. Of folks stopped believing all the deliberate mind programing we could all just get along perhaps without the need for overlords who only seek to remove the true beauty of what being human can be.

I know this is going to be unpopular but... Jordan Peterson is the 'thinking man's' Andrew Tate. He is yet another puppet, a brand of soap powder to fulfil the role of 'shepherd' to a lot of disaffected men. I see it in my friends, they have been conditioned by society to see themselves and other men as 'leaders', so the system provides them with a father figure to aspire to be. Textbook psychological manipulation.

 

It's like we're all in a lifeboat with a psychopath but instead of looking at what the psychopath is doing we're arguing that one half of the people in the boat should kneel down to us. It's insanity.

 

It's actually quite frustrating to see adults behaving like children because Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan or Russell Brand fulfils the way they would like to see themselves.

 

Women are different. They tend not to look for leaders. They behave differently in groups. While men fight for pole position women have a more practical mentality of survival, they work better as a group. That is why suicide rates and depression is higher in men. It's also why married men are healthier and live longer than single men. Women are just better at survival as a group.

It is also why men are becoming disaffected in the first place. 

 

Let me explain. 

 

The system sets up both sides (men and women) - THE SYSTEM CONDITIONS THEM INTO PROGRAMMED ROLES - those roles are not naturally occurring. Then it proceeds to persecute women on mass. They use sex as a weapon in particular and many other aspects of life. Women ended up as second class humans and men have had it exactly the way they wanted it (or at least for some who thought it was what they wanted - but they were still dissatisfied). Men thought we were in control, leaders, fathers - running the show! But it was all a set up for the fall to come. The entities planned to make men feel they 'had it all' so they could use it to weaponize their anger at "losing it all" later. Geezus, the amount of my friends who get triggered by this is truly disturbing.

 

WAKE UP GUYS, YOU'RE BEING USED - by the entities. 

 

Then women start to gain rights, freedom and independence - things EVERYONE should have. But then men got pissed about this as they have been conditioned to treat women like shit. How could we accept women as our equals and be the supposed 'leaders of men'. Sooooo... along came men like Jordan Peterson to give them a focus, a 'voice' and an archetype of who they see themselves as. IT'S ALL A SCAM OF THE SYSTEM.

[Phil26]

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Some great points Mac. I love Jordan Peterson's take on the idea of 'Patriarch'; and he always raises interesting counter-arguments or at least providing a much wider context than the woke driven version. Don't get me wrong, I know Peterson is no guru or saviour. 

As men we need to stop looking to be a 'patriarch'. It is a construct to control and limit us to be a certain way. It's why then people fall for it when someone. like Peterson comes along and tells them 80% of what they want to hear so they will also be persuaded by the 20% the system is programming into you. It's all a scam.

 

The amount of times I hear people, including many of my friends, say "I know Peterson is no guru or saviour...." then they proceed to identify with his way of life and follow his beliefs - that is exactly the definition of a guru or saviour!

 

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

The 'World' seems to have changed for the worse for men over the last 30 or 40 years, whereas you could argue that life has gotten better for women.

I disagree. It's got worse for everyone. It just appears to have gotten better for some. The things that really matter, having a home, food and being able to give a good life to your loved ones has got worse for EVERYONE. 

 

Your PERCEPTION has been screwed with by the system. Women had basic rights denied, while men (who in the majority still had a shit life) were given perks, advantages over women. No offense to women but women were put in a position by the system to be the 'reward' for men for taking all the shit the system threw at men. Men were slaves to the system (as women were, except women knew it), but men have mistakenly thought they were free. Now women are no longer 'rewards' for men from the system (to distract them and keep them happy from what the system is really doing to men) men are only just now realising how shit their lives really are - BUT IT WAS THAT WAY ALL ALONG!!!

 

The system, the entities, tricked us.

 

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I mean from a wider perspective, we are all getting screwed and we are all worse off.

 

...

 

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

But from a gender perspective the scales have certainly moved towards women.

No. There is no "but". 

 

Most of the world is in poverty, but women and children still suffer the worst poverty. That is the only measure that really matters. Everything else is window dressing.

 

Also women and children are the largest numbers of victims of trafficking, sexual violence and other violence. When it comes down to brutal, REAL HUMAN SUFFERING AND PAIN women and children have it worse than us men.

 

And on a side note sexual violence by men on men is increasing with their anger and disaffection generally. Young boys are particularly vulnerable to that trend.

 

We all need to stop taking gender sides to put any of this right.

 

To be a man is to be honest with ourselves about the terrible pain and suffering of the humanity around us, not focus on if we have the upper hand over women anymore! 

 

It's a losing game. The entities rigged it that way.

 

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

 

Yes, you can argue that it was too heavily the other way in the past, and you might be right, but my point is rather, the impact on these changes for men has been brutal going. 

I honestly think the word "brutal" is more than an exaggeration in the context you're speaking of, especially when you look at the daily violence still experienced by billions of women and children worldwide today.

 

Everyone is suffering by being in the system. Point scoring is nothing but an energy feeding frenzy for the entities watching this 'sport' of theirs. 

[Certified Green of Heart]

On 3/6/2024 at 12:46 AM, Phil26 said:

Ah, the irony of the subject of this thread.

 

David Icke stops the type of negativity that pointless point scoring causes.

....

 

 

At @ Jason57, first & foremost...  

I wish you/ someone would <please> change the damn title, there's plenty of negativity elsewhere, without labelling DI with it.. We only emulate the system when we use labels as dualistic as that. Nothing is more so than positive/ negative or good/bad. etc. I am not dualist crazy with all things, but this usage in the title is just provoking, although yes from the POV that truth has to endure doom n gloom will dredge that up naturally, but then we need to work on turfing out the trash exposed by that exposure & spoils etc... Yet it is of course a not fun exercise. Until we come out the other side somewhere or if we are open-minded enough and willing enough we may find tidbits of joy on the quest despite exposing so much of the muddy water stirred up which again yes is all part of the process, so yeah I get that part is not fun. But we ought remain open-minded and actually use what we have learnt in real life.. (and whilst we're about it, men & women)...

  

On 2/5/2024 at 5:11 PM, bamboozooka said:

icke is very positive today

 

They Are Losing And They Know It – David Icke

https://davidicke.com/2024/02/05/they-are-losing-and-they-know-it-david-icke/

 

it'll trigger all those black pilled losers that say the ziobolshkablahbah's are in full control

Edited February 5 by bamboozooka
captured

 

What here was captured Bamboozooka? Aren't we all captured in some sense?
Anyway, video,

I saw that I think, I thought I forgot to watch, but then I remember I did see it, but it was only short video.
 

On 2/5/2024 at 5:47 PM, Mr H said:

 

I remember getting friendly with a YouTuber once and asked once, your content is great and everything but why not once in a while post something positive? He said he tried once, and no one is interested....

 

 

Wow ... At least he tried in reply to you having tried with him (good!!).. and was honest with you though despite the down turn of ripples in positive karma that might well send!
 

On 2/5/2024 at 5:47 PM, Mr H said:

 

Same for anyone making a living off conspiracy stuff

 Fear porn sells. Happy porn does not sell and you do not get to eat...... as a general point....

 

This definitely one reason why the world sucks...... at least as a general point 

 

Edited March 7, 2024 by Certified Green of Heart

[Phil26]

1 hour ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

At @ Jason57, first & foremost...  

I wish you/ someone would <please> change the damn title, there's plenty of negativity elsewhere, without labelling DI with it.. We only emulate the system when we use labels as dualistic as that. Nothing is more so than positive/ negative or good/bad. etc. I am not dualist crazy with all things, but this usage in the title is just provoking, although yes from the POV that truth has to endure doom n gloom will dredge that up naturally, but then we need to work on turfing out the trash exposed by that exposure & spoils etc... Yet it is of course a not fun exercise. Until we come out the other side somewhere or if we are open-minded enough and willing enough we may find tidbits of joy on the quest despite exposing so much of the muddy water stirred up which again yes is all part of the process, so yeah I get that part is not fun. But we ought remain open-minded and actually use what we have learnt in real life.. (and whilst we're about it, men & women)...

  

 

What here was captured Bamboozooka? Aren't we all captured in some sense?
Anyway, video,

I saw that I think, I thought I forgot to watch, but then I remember I did see it, but it was only short video.
 

 

Wow ... At least he tried in reply to you having tried with him (good!!).. and was honest with you though despite the down turn of ripples in positive karma that might well send!
 

 

This definitely one reason why the world sucks...... at least as a general point 

 

Ultimately there are several layers or levels to this and whether something is positive or negative.

 

For example...

1.The World, or how you perceive it.

2. Your unconscious states. Your experiences while unconscious and whether you remember them or not, and how you perceive those experiences.

3. Your internal psychological state.

 

Ultimately everyone is responsible for whether they feel negative or positive at any given moment.

 

I would add that David Icke has no responsibility for being negative or positive for others. He just presents the information, how people feel about it is their choice.

 

When we start taking responsibility for our thoughts, feelings and reactions things get better.

 

Feeling the world is terrible = feeling terrible about the world = a terrible world.

 

Makes you wonder what kind of worlds people would start creating all over the place if they leave this one.

 

We live in a universe based on laws/rules. The basis of this relies on positive and negative energy, ergo everything is naturally dualistic. There is nothing bad about duality, if it didn't exist neither would you or anything else!

 

Conflict has nothing to do with duality.

[Campion]

On 3/5/2024 at 9:12 PM, Phil26 said:

I will contact you through the astral if you would like? I'll answer your questions there. If you are truly willing and ready it will become obvious to you. 

 

I'm not ready yet but thinking about how to get practical hands-on (so to speak) experience rather than endlessly reading and listening to other people's ideas and not knowing what I can trust.  At the moment I'm looking into safe and reliable ways to explore the subject but not in any hurry. 

  

On 3/5/2024 at 9:12 PM, Phil26 said:

That's probably the biggest aspect stopping you. 

 

It is a common misconception that if you don't remember being in the astral that you haven't 'been there'. But in fact you have a presence 'there' as you are in the 'simulation' 'here'. Also there are many aspects to the astral that you will only fully understand when you make yourself fully conscious of your presence there (and here) at all times.

 

Does it concern you that you have little or no memory of about a third of your life? Or that you are compelled to 'go to sleep' after a certain amount of time? 

 

Yes it's scary, if I leave my body and go astral travelling, what happens if I meet someone nasty on the other side or my body gets possessed while I'm absent? 

 

You're saying we go to the astral when we sleep? When I was a child I often used to dream about flying, I would be in a landscape and just sort of lean forwards and take off up to about max of treetop height and other people around me didn't get surprised. But I've only consciously had OOBEs a couple of times. 

 

Yes it's  all concerning, but then I have a lot of inquiring to do to understand this. If it's so easy to travel into the astral while asleep, why is it so hard to do it consciously when awake - for some of us anyway?  And why is the literature about black magic so full of complicated rituals involving initiates and sacrifices as if it's difficult to bring entities and demons over to our world? Why can't the entities come here whenever they want ?  

 

I'm not surprised that I get tired and need to sleep every day, most animals need to sleep because our bodies are limited and need to rest. 

 

 

[Phil26]

12 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

Yes it's scary, if I leave my body and go astral travelling, what happens if I meet someone nasty on the other side or my body gets possessed while I'm absent? 

Nasty things are around people all the time. It's just you can't see them with your simulation five senses.

 

Possession happens to lots of people regardless of whether they can astral experience. Although they are less likely to become possessed if they can astral experience.

 

12 minutes ago, Campion said:

You're saying we go to the astral when we sleep? When I was a child I often used to dream about flying, I would be in a landscape and just sort of lean forwards and take off up to about max of treetop height and other people around me didn't get surprised. But I've only consciously had OOBEs a couple of times. 

It might be helpful to you to focus on those memories before going to sleep. And many sources recommend keeping a 'dream diary'.

 

12 minutes ago, Campion said:

Yes it's  all concerning, but then I have a lot of inquiring to do to understand this. If it's so easy to travel into the astral while asleep, why is it so hard to do it consciously when awake - for some of us anyway? 

Learning the piano is more difficult for some than others, but with enough practice ...

 

12 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

And why is the literature about black magic so full of complicated rituals involving initiates and sacrifices as if it's difficult to bring entities and demons over to our world? Why can't the entities come here whenever they want ?  

They can. Most of the stuff in books is bs.

 

Black, white or grey magic is really just labels.

 

12 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

I'm not surprised that I get tired and need to sleep every day, most animals need to sleep because our bodies are limited and need to rest. 

 

 

 

There's more to it than that though.