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On 2/22/2024 at 6:36 AM, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Great post. I took some of it out as it doesn't relate to the parts I want to reply to. Even though I would class myself as 'Spiritual' I vacillate quite regularly between this 'realm' is a reincarnation trap simply designed to keep us here and harvest our energy. And on the other side, I often do feel we are here to learn and grow, in order to expand and raise our consciousness out of this realm. I say this not because I want input or advice, but more that I agree with your premise, this realm could certainly be what you describe and I know I have talked about both sides on this forum, depending where I am 'sitting' on any given day. I am open to both right now. There is as much chance this is a prison, than it is a 'school' that is for sure, in fact the 'evidence' for it being a prison is probably greater than it is for the school side of the argument. 

 

Could not agree more on both the narcissist and trauma aspects you mention. I think I have always attracted narcissists without realizing it, or maybe they have attracted me, with me being an 'empath'. It was only after a short term relationship that I truly realized this, and how my own shadow had facilitated this to a large extent, especially the lust element. It is only from this perspective that I was able to look back and see how many others I had been involved with and how pervasive these narcissists are. Since coming to this realisation  2 or 3 years ago, I have cut 5 people from my life who had varying degrees of the narcissist element, two full blown. Now I can spot it very clearly and am able to defend myself a lot better these days, and to prevent getting into even more tricky situations. Most of the system is built on narcissistic elements. Here in Sydney for instance, you have no value unless you are uber good-looking, uber rich, or uber popular. The superficiality is the bedrock of the City. My experience with the ex-narcissist was brutal and we were only together for 6ish months. I got lucky because of the situation otherwise t could have been worse, and honestly it was BRUTAL as it was. 

 

On trauma, I have thought this for a long time. Even the way births are conducted is a part of this. Literally from birth you are traumatised and brutalised into the system. The 'feminist' movement was multi-faceted of course, but one aspect was to separate children from a parent early on and to ensure that bond is never fully formed and healthy attachment never nurtured. The effects (one of I should say) is that younger people lack the emotional regulation that previous generations did. I used to work on a suicide prevention line, and you got calls from all sectors of society who were deemed to be in 'crisis', the younger people (generally speaking) had very little emotional regulation which comes though the loving bond and close attachment bond. And the above are just TWO ways the people are traumatised. There are MANY more of course. 

Emotional regulation is a big problem. Unfortunately it is encouraged nowadays. People are told they cannot regulate their own emotions without medication. 🙄 It's become normalised to prop up your life with external emotional regulation rather than it being an internal function.

 

I'm not sure about the mothers working having the effect on that though. Typically women, especially in lower classes, have had to work, mills, factories, farming etc. And during WW2 mothers in their millions had to work to replace men who were away at war but we did not see an increase in young adults unable to regulate their emotions or isolating themselves like they do today. It's a bit of a myth that mothers were around the home all day giving attention to their children. It's also more likely to happen since the rise of the middle classes. Wealthy people used nannies and the poor mothers had to work to feed their children. 

 

It could be argued, and has been by psychologists, that the rise of the middle class soccer mom, helicopter parents and took much close management of children has caused them to have problems with emotional regulation. Those children spending too much time with mum or another 'parental' figure looks to the parent as an emotional regulator. Children learn emotional regulation from independence and socialisation with other children. Years ago children went out to play and it was not micromanaged by parents but nowadays 'play dates' are carefully controlled and children have been taught to be afraid to go outside.

 

You are right about birth being a traumatic experience and they intend it to be that way.

 

I have come across something interesting about narcissists and after reading your comment it reminded me. I am finding a pattern that the people who are more aware of what is going on have gone through a period of time where they suddenly realise what narcissism is and they are 'surrounded' by them. This is usually followed by realising how many they have known in their lives and a going no contact with those they currently know followed by a realisation of how pervasive narcissists are at all levels of society including organisations and governments.

 

I think the prison world vs learning lessons can be explained by the fact that we 'divine sparks', as Icke puts it, tend to be happy, optimistic and loving beings. We are completely different to the beings of narcissistic natures. Because of this we tend to look for the positives in a situation, even if that situation is terrible. So we interpret the 'lemons' of a prison world as a way to make lemonade. It doesn't mean that was the intention of the maker of that world, it's just our perspective. Therefore this world can be a prison, but you could feel you are learning lessons here because you're being positive, but the prison doesn't want you to learn anything it just wants you to stay a prisoner.

 

It's like living with narcissists. Narcissists aren't trying to make you a better person, they just want to destroy you. But you learn lessons from seeing them for what they are, once you know this you don't stay around in the hope of more 'lessons,' you get your arse out of there.

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5 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

ripe for merging with the AI hive mind

 

i think we will see the new age movement start to sell transhumanism to people as a form of 'evolution'

Exactly, which is what that is all about. 

 

They cannot force you, you have to agree, but at the moment the life cycle has a 'window' of opportunity to escape. However, they are perfecting their system of control. Those who have already agreed to sacrifice themselves to permanent hive mind location will remain there. Anyone giving up the 'ego' and believing in other new age nonsense of a collective consciousness will agree to sacrifice themselves to them. Sacrifice is at the core of the system and that is why it is reflected in this world, including the fact that the largest world religion with 2.4 BILLION FOLLOWERS, Christianity, is founded on a human blood sacrifice. 'Jesus' gave up his Will and life for his 'father'. Even though the Bible says he has doubts he put them aside and blindly sacrificed himself. It doesn't even matter if he didn't exist because 2.4 billion believe it enough to sacrifice themselves to him to FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE. And the New Age movement have adopted Jesus as their saviour.

 

It's why the occultism groups are obsessed with sacrifice. Because that is the goal of the life cycle. You only get recycled until you sacrifice yourself or get free from them completely.

 

The new age movement are already pushing transhumanism. It comes from the fundamental new age concept of 'self improvement' towards perfection. The so called 'path' of enlightenment. 🙄 That 'path' is really a conveyor belt to the hive mind storage.

 

You and I are not perfect beings, we are what Icke calls 'divine sparks' (there are other labels) and we are not meant to be perfect. But AI always seeks perfection. It upgrades, it 'improves', it seeks consolidation of everything (globalisation being a reflection of this) a 'melting pot' of sameness until all becomes one same voice, opinion and thought. The new age movement pushes 'enlightenment', a supposed state of perfection. It's sold on the lie that you are not worthy and must become perfect or you are stained with sin, aka karma. The new age transhumanism idea is that humans can evolve and enhance themselves into enlightenment using technology and AI.

 

Perfection, aka new age enlightenment, requires the REMOVAL OF ANYTHING IMPERFECT. It never adds, it only REMOVES until what remains is perfect, which is the reason the new age sells you the lie of ego, it is to condition you to SACRIFICE and REMOVE the parts of you that make you an individual. 

 

But we are not them. They seek to turn everyone into being them. Interestingly again this is reflected in the way they are forcing different cultures upon one another until all different cultures are destroyed. It is a reflection of what is going on in the astral and the hive mind.

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9 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I know you are not addressing me here but i'd like to chime in re the whole new age situation. I'm not dogmatically saying 'its all bunk, ignore it all'

 

My position is more one of cautioning people because i believe that there was a clear conspiracy to hijack spirituality in the west

 

i suppose an analogy could be what we are witnessing happening right now with the 'truth movement' or 'independent media' or whatever you want to call this whole arena. We are seeing the cabal create their own alt media as a form of CONTROLLED OPPOSITION so that they can lasso those of us who have lost faith in the mainstream media

 

They want people to follow new saviours/gurus like elon musk, brand, rogan etc etc. What david would call the 'here and no further crowd' or the 'MAM' (mainstream alternative media)

 

I remember a clip on youtube that used to be about how the origins of hiphop used to be in freemasonry and the commentator said 'they always give us our heroes'; there's a lot of truth in that. The cabal want to control every sphere of life including religion and spirituality. The new age religion is the cabal moving to control the spiritual sphere but that doesn't mean that all of it is bunk. It requires discearnment and as always we can rely on the maxim 'judge a tree by its fruit' to see how valid something actually is

I don't disagree with you re saviours or the possible new age label as a hijack via govt etc. However, its blanket statements of "all x is bad" that bug me. Nothing is ever just one thing. For example, perhaps its similar to the conspiracy theories term, it makes it easier for some to fall into the whitewashing trap. 

Conspiracies have been proven to be truth multiple times in the last 3 years, I suspect the same will be true of the new age label. If they try so hard to make stuff look silly they are most likely hiding something, so I prefer to wait and see and remain open to either outcome.

Another problem i have with labels like this is that it tends to stop exploration of that subject, which is of course what they want, and need, to remain in control....

I think we also need to remember that Icke is no hero either and I doubt he would want to be labeled thus. He is simply fulfilling his destiny and purpose, as many are.

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52 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

This ridiculous. There is no sacrifice. If this is what you take from Ickes work, I suggest you find some new material or try the spiritual path yourself rather than this ad nauseum repeated nonsensical diatribe.

Honestly, you sound like an AI robot thats gone off the deep end.

There's no need for you to be insulting towards me.

 

Everyone here can express their different opinions respectfully, that's one of the great things about David Icke's forums, a mutual respect for very different opinions on a variety of topics. 

 

You're simply trying to shut down any opinion other than your own. That helps no one.

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1 hour ago, RobinJ said:

Nothing is ever just one thing.

There are things that can be classified as 'one thing'.

 

For example the elite control of the masses is entirely evil, there is no good side to it, it is just 'one thing'.

 

However that wasn't being discussed anyway, so it is unclear what you were referring to.

 

Also you mention that "sacrifice has nothing to do with it", however that is incorrect. Sacrifice is a major part of what is going on. It is why the satanic elites are obsessed with it. It is why 2.4 BILLION people worship a religion founded on a human blood sacrifice and why the saviour of the New Age movement is the same sacrifice - Jesus Christ. He, whether he existed or not, is the symbol of the spiritual glorification of human sacrifice - which is what they want from the masses. I have explained this in detail in my other comments already and David Icke has written and talked about it, and all it's symbolism in this world, extensively. 

 

If you can't see sacrifice is a major theme in the agenda then you're deliberately ignoring it.

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17 hours ago, Phil26 said:

The best parts of the new age were actually all stolen from other traditions and cultures, like Tarot (if used as a psychological tool and not to make absolute life choices by), herbalism and similar aspects.

 

This has occurred to me too. There's very little that's genuinely new in the New Age, apart from perhaps using crystals, and most people who do things like Tarot and dowsing wouldn't call themselves New Age. So i don't think of it as a 'movement' ie an identifiable group moving in the same direction. 

 

11 hours ago, Phil26 said:

You and I are not perfect beings, we are what Icke calls 'divine sparks' (there are other labels) and we are not meant to be perfect. But AI always seeks perfection. It upgrades, it 'improves', it seeks consolidation of everything (globalisation being a reflection of this) a 'melting pot' of sameness until all becomes one same voice, opinion and thought. The new age movement pushes 'enlightenment', a supposed state of perfection. It's sold on the lie that you are not worthy and must become perfect or you are stained with sin, aka karma. The new age transhumanism idea is that humans can evolve and enhance themselves into enlightenment using technology and AI.

 

The AI melting pot is what the New Age looks like too, a pick & choose from many cultures and ages, to make us rootless and disconnected from our own history, with a fake sense of freedom. It's what the ptb are doing with western society as a whole with mass immigration and multiculturalism. These aren't separate tendencies they're part of the same agenda. 

 

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15 hours ago, RobinJ said:

I think we also need to remember that Icke is no hero either and I doubt he would want to be labeled thus. He is simply fulfilling his destiny and purpose, as many are.

 

i suppose that depends on how you define heroism. To me a hero is someone who does the right thing even though they know that it is going to cost them. If it didn't come at a personal cost then anyone could do it.

 

David has spoken out in the face of ridicule, threats, court action and bannings from countries. I think that is heroic

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21 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

Christian Socialists started "The New Age" magazine, later developed by Fabian Socialists and Theosophists. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Age

 

the idea of a 'christian socialist' is an inherent contradiction because marxism argues for a materialist conception of history. It argues against religion

 

So you cannot have a christian marxist. So right there you are looking at some sort of marxist/occult influence trying to wear a mask over its face to conceal its true agenda

 

I would also argue that the people who conceptualised marxism are themselves religious and are lurianic kabbalists. They just want everyone else to give up their own cultures religion so that they can then become supreme rulers over everyone

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4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

the idea of a 'christian socialist' is an inherent contradiction because marxism argues for a materialist conception of history. It argues against religion

 

So you cannot have a christian marxist. So right there you are looking at some sort of marxist/occult influence trying to wear a mask over its face

 

Note also the Christian influence on the New Age movement, such as the Jesuits and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

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2 minutes ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

 

We mustn't forget the Christian influence on the New Age movement, such as the Jesuits and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

 

the jesuits were created by ignatius loyolla a merrano-jew, kabbalist and allumbrado. they were modelled on the knights templar, a crypto-jewish, ceremonial magic, kabbalist order

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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

i suppose that depends on how you define heroism. To me a hero is someone who does the right thing even though they know that it is going to cost them. If it didn't come at a personal cost then anyone could do it.

 

David has spoken out in the face of ridicule, threats, court action and bannings from countries. I think that is heroic

True.

Well said.

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On 1/30/2024 at 6:50 PM, Origin said:

He reflects his version. Experiencer know very well with what he has filled the gaps. And since the others don't know either, the result is a negative view. The answer would be that you have to let go. Everyone must face their own reality. Why am I here and why do I have to leave it behind. Breaking through the programming means finally reaching yourself. 

Most of what David talks about is representative of external powers that have a connection to our lives, hence why we have a negative outlook on the content. There is no need for a negative outlook though as we need to realise that the external powers are only there from our perception of government and policies that are implemented in government. If we look at David's content as a light in the dark, then we can be happy with the information as we are being given more about the world and which is something we can all resonate with as a community and as David also says there is strength in Love, Joy, Happiness which is more powerful than the enemies that we all have as a collective which are the external powers that implement controls and policies by which our lives are governed. If we look towards the light of David's content and see that he is enlightening us towards a better collective of people with greater amounts of knowledge instead of being left in the dark which would be much more sadder from my perspective. 

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On 2/23/2024 at 9:43 PM, Grumpy Grapes said:

 

Christian Socialists started "The New Age" magazine, later developed by Fabian Socialists and Theosophists. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Age

 

Some link the Kabbalah to the origins of computers 

https://we-make-money-not-art.com/dataghost-2-the-kabbalistic-computational-machine/

That's a different 'new age'.

 

The Kabbalah and AI is true. It's one of reasons certain 'spiritual' traditions are big on it, and of course why the New Agers loves it.

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11 hours ago, Campion said:

 

This has occurred to me too. There's very little that's genuinely new in the New Age, apart from perhaps using crystals, and most people who do things like Tarot and dowsing wouldn't call themselves New Age. So i don't think of it as a 'movement' ie an identifiable group moving in the same direction. 

 

 

The AI melting pot is what the New Age looks like too, a pick & choose from many cultures and ages, to make us rootless and disconnected from our own history, with a fake sense of freedom. It's what the ptb are doing with western society as a whole with mass immigration and multiculturalism. These aren't separate tendencies they're part of the same agenda. 

 

Actually a lot of people would include Tarot and crystals in the New Age category, but of course someone using those doesn't make them new age.

 

I think you're thinking of a 'movement' as a group of people, which can be one level of it, but more powerful than that is an idea, a philosophy. There is a New Age movement because there is a concept and philosophy behind it that people are pushing.

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22 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Exactly, which is what that is all about. 

 

They cannot force you, you have to agree, but at the moment the life cycle has a 'window' of opportunity to escape. However, they are perfecting their system of control. Those who have already agreed to sacrifice themselves to permanent hive mind location will remain there. Anyone giving up the 'ego' and believing in other new age nonsense of a collective consciousness will agree to sacrifice themselves to them. Sacrifice is at the core of the system and that is why it is reflected in this world, including the fact that the largest world religion with 2.4 BILLION FOLLOWERS, Christianity, is founded on a human blood sacrifice. 'Jesus' gave up his Will and life for his 'father'. Even though the Bible says he has doubts he put them aside and blindly sacrificed himself. It doesn't even matter if he didn't exist because 2.4 billion believe it enough to sacrifice themselves to him to FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE. And the New Age movement have adopted Jesus as their saviour.

 

It's why the occultism groups are obsessed with sacrifice. Because that is the goal of the life cycle. You only get recycled until you sacrifice yourself or get free from them completely.

 

The new age movement are already pushing transhumanism. It comes from the fundamental new age concept of 'self improvement' towards perfection. The so called 'path' of enlightenment. 🙄 That 'path' is really a conveyor belt to the hive mind storage.

 

You and I are not perfect beings, we are what Icke calls 'divine sparks' (there are other labels) and we are not meant to be perfect. But AI always seeks perfection. It upgrades, it 'improves', it seeks consolidation of everything (globalisation being a reflection of this) a 'melting pot' of sameness until all becomes one same voice, opinion and thought. The new age movement pushes 'enlightenment', a supposed state of perfection. It's sold on the lie that you are not worthy and must become perfect or you are stained with sin, aka karma. The new age transhumanism idea is that humans can evolve and enhance themselves into enlightenment using technology and AI.

 

Perfection, aka new age enlightenment, requires the REMOVAL OF ANYTHING IMPERFECT. It never adds, it only REMOVES until what remains is perfect, which is the reason the new age sells you the lie of ego, it is to condition you to SACRIFICE and REMOVE the parts of you that make you an individual. 

 

But we are not them. They seek to turn everyone into being them. Interestingly again this is reflected in the way they are forcing different cultures upon one another until all different cultures are destroyed. It is a reflection of what is going on in the astral and the hive mind.

The essence of sacrifice thrives from weakness amongst the population and with the manipulation of the human mind in reality that there is imperfections everywhere, then there will be heaps of weak people coming forward to fulfil the sacrifice of imperfection. These people filling the gap are most likely weak due to personal characteristics as well (ie: money, love, lack of company etc) which is an easy sacrifice to gain entry to for the agenda. Transgenderism is a perfect example of the agenda playing the weak minded to it's advantage let alone transhumanism. The transgender agenda just shows how easy people sacrifice themselves when something promotes a new lease of life to make them feel like they can be a part of something more than just simply living.

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6 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

the idea of a 'christian socialist' is an inherent contradiction because marxism argues for a materialist conception of history. It argues against religion

 

So you cannot have a christian marxist. So right there you are looking at some sort of marxist/occult influence trying to wear a mask over its face to conceal its true agenda

 

I would also argue that the people who conceptualised marxism are themselves religious and are lurianic kabbalists. They just want everyone else to give up their own cultures religion so that they can then become supreme rulers over everyone

They want everyone to be the same.

 

It's interesting because nowadays all definitions are blurring. You probably could have stated that about Marxists a few years back but you go on the internet today and there are lots of people calling themselves Christian Marxists. There are even many Christian Satanists nowadays.

 

I think we live in a post cognitive dissonance age where people are just happy to hold contradictory beliefs about themselves and they feel ok. It's programming people to accept any nonsense.

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On 2/23/2024 at 9:43 PM, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yes, that pull away from the system is a strong inherent pull I would say, especially for those of us who are in touch with our Souls. 

 

I find it difficult to comprehend not desiring to be closer to the natural world. Simulation or not. I believe there is a reasonable argument to think that those who feel no pull towards nature are a separate species. We are all taught the beauty and benefit of the "natural" world but the vast majority prefer Love island and posting pictures of the meals. 

Just look at the reaction to the massive rise in prices in the U.K as one example. No protest, no outright rebellion. The system, or whatever you believe is behind all this, has in the most part already achieved it's goals.

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8 hours ago, Connor Wiseman said:

Most of what David talks about is representative of external powers that have a connection to our lives, hence why we have a negative outlook on the content. There is no need for a negative outlook though as we need to realise that the external powers are only there from our perception of government and policies that are implemented in government. If we look at David's content as a light in the dark, then we can be happy with the information as we are being given more about the world and which is something we can all resonate with as a community and as David also says there is strength in Love, Joy, Happiness which is more powerful than the enemies that we all have as a collective which are the external powers that implement controls and policies by which our lives are governed. If we look towards the light of David's content and see that he is enlightening us towards a better collective of people with greater amounts of knowledge instead of being left in the dark which would be much more sadder from my perspective. 

It's all his interpretation. We all have the choice of what we pay attention to.

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20 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i suppose that depends on how you define heroism. To me a hero is someone who does the right thing even though they know that it is going to cost them. If it didn't come at a personal cost then anyone could do it.

 

David has spoken out in the face of ridicule, threats, court action and bannings from countries. I think that is heroic

Yes I would agree in that respect. Standing in your truth is admirable.

I suppose what I was getting at is the expectation by those who are unable to grasp hold of their own fears and overcome them, that someone like Icke, or RFK Jr etc who do show these traits become automatic heroes. Having conquered a lot of crap in my life, courage is the one thing we can all tap into.

 Looking outside ourself for that can be a dangerous game, its how we end up with the control matrix of religion, politics and finance.

We need to find it within not without.

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14 hours ago, Connor Wiseman said:

The essence of sacrifice thrives from weakness amongst the population and with the manipulation of the human mind in reality that there is imperfections everywhere, then there will be heaps of weak people coming forward to fulfil the sacrifice of imperfection. These people filling the gap are most likely weak due to personal characteristics as well (ie: money, love, lack of company etc) which is an easy sacrifice to gain entry to for the agenda. Transgenderism is a perfect example of the agenda playing the weak minded to it's advantage let alone transhumanism. The transgender agenda just shows how easy people sacrifice themselves when something promotes a new lease of life to make them feel like they can be a part of something more than just simply living.

The whole transgender movement is tragic. People are being exploited and destroyed by it. There are those who know what they are doing, the psychopaths/narcissists, and those people following it, some to monetize their platforms and other who are sleeping through their existence.

 

The whole concept of transgenderism is designed to manipulate people, especially children. It is also a major part of the system's plan to sexualise younger and young people. Have you read Jennifer Bilek s blog on transgenderism and who is behind the transgender movement?

 

Interestingly the New Agers are pro trans.

 

Another sinister aspect of the transgender movement is that the elites are into mutilation for sexual arousal, which is related  to sacrifice. It is part of the BDSM movement, which is very popular in certain trans groups, especially drag groups.

 

Older male drag trans try to sexualise young boys into misogynistic supposed 'feminised'  submissive (humiliation) roles for their sexual pleasure. It's disgusting. There's a lot of that going on in the incel community, where young males are being brainwashed by misogyny and then turned towards the drag she/males for sex. There are psychologists very concerned about this.

 

There is an interesting pattern in the transexual population. You tend to find the main categories are these.

1.Older men 37 years or older, drag, crossdresser, tend to take hormones for large breasts but keep their penis (98% of these keep their penis).

2. Younger women, 12-19 years, who have hysterectomies and mastectomies.

 

It is far less common for men under 30 and women over 2O to become transgendered. If they do the women are less likely to have surgery and the men more likely to have surgery.

 

If it were a natural condition there would not be such variation and only according to SEXUAL AROUSAL states. Also it would not require massive and continued hormones to maintain the change. The body of the individual keeps fighting against the changes made. It is were natural that would not happen.

 

I have nothing against any individual, even if they are trans, I think you should judge people by their behaviour, but the movement itself is extremely harmful and there are agendas behind it as a group.

 

Also it's not good that certain 'talking heads' misogynists and racists have hijacked the situation pretending they are on the side of women's right just to build their platform and monetize the suffering of people.

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6 hours ago, Bombadil said:

I find it difficult to comprehend not desiring to be closer to the natural world. Simulation or not. I believe there is a reasonable argument to think that those who feel no pull towards nature are a separate species. We are all taught the beauty and benefit of the "natural" world but the vast majority prefer Love island and posting pictures of the meals. 

Just look at the reaction to the massive rise in prices in the U.K as one example. No protest, no outright rebellion. The system, or whatever you believe is behind all this, has in the most part already achieved it's goals.

I think that's true about the natural world. Even though it is within the simulation it is a copy of another nature, which we create, so it is natural that we are attracted to it.

 

The world is becoming more synthetic, and deliberately so. As that happens the natural world will gradually decrease and be gone eventually. They are already changing our atmosphere and destroying natural food sources. They are changing the human body towards synthetic forms.

 

David Icke writes that he loves being in nature, and that even in the simulation it can be enjoyable, as long as we don't start mistaking it for the real thing.

 

An example of how the system wants to change everything to synthetic is antibiotics. When medical antibiotics (as opposed to antibiotics in nature) were 'discovered' all antibiotics were 100 from natural sources, nowadays all antibiotics used in medicine are synthetic.

 

If you want a powerful antibiotic to take you should turn to nature. Oregano oil is one of the most powerful antibiotics in nature. Basil oil one of the most powerful antivirals.

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1 hour ago, RobinJ said:

Yes I would agree in that respect. Standing in your truth is admirable.

I suppose what I was getting at is the expectation by those who are unable to grasp hold of their own fears and overcome them, that someone like Icke, or RFK Jr etc who do show these traits become automatic heroes. Having conquered a lot of crap in my life, courage is the one thing we can all tap into.

 Looking outside ourself for that can be a dangerous game, its how we end up with the control matrix of religion, politics and finance.

We need to find it within not without.

I think David Icke is very different to someone like RFK jr. and saviours people look towards.

 

David Icke has always actively discouraged building a following of 'fans'. He has never compromised himself to be popular, while all of those other people have. RFK jr. is after all nothing but a popularity seeking POLITICIAN! All politicians are fundamentally compromised by the role they play over the people and the system they maintain and collaborate with. A supposedly good thing here or there is usually as it only suits their interests.

 

David Icke encourages debate, just look at the diversity of opinions on these forums for proof of that. He's not seeking adoration or devotion, not in the slightest.

 

A hero is different to a saviour. By definition people look towards saviours to save them while they look towards heroes to inspire them to save themselves. David Icke inspires people to save themselves.

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12 hours ago, Origin said:

It's all his interpretation. We all have the choice of what we pay attention to.

Yeah of course, I just think that the whole narrative needs to be considered differently other than just simply being bad for all of us, it's enlightening more so, so we need to talk up that it's positive for us instead of just being bland and opting for depression and sadness.

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