Piero Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Mr H said: But the way Christianity anthropomorphises creator, gives rise to questions whose answers make no logical sense. Gives rise to Gnostic ideas. My personal take is God/creator is nothing like human mind. It is unimaginable and nothing can be said about him. And bible stories about God should largely be ignored. You can't generalise about Christianity because there are a lot of differing views with Christian belief. Personally, I don't believe man should anthropomorphise God, and in so doing, create God in man's image. It should be the other way round, but man has free will, and more more bad choices that are made, the less in God's image man appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 15 hours ago, Piero said: I imagine that if you feel that you don't have control over your own thoughts, it must make you feel quite unhappy, so perhaps that's a good gauge regarding whether you feel whether you can choose you're own thoughts or not? I feel that I can control my thoughts. But feeling isn't evidence. I'm a truth seeker Even neuroscientists evidence that decisions are not made consciously, you know nothing of it. It happens in subconscious mind before you're aware of it - according to them. And this will be automated due to your conditioning and environment. No one actually selecting thoughts..... It gets worse than that when you really dig in. "You" don't choose when to breathe,to see, smell, to move, blink, to digest food - nothing really. It just happens and goes on The evidence suggesting we don't choose our thoughts is very relieving to me personally and does not make me unhappy Edited March 20 by Mr H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 hours ago, Piero said: I guess you're entitled to your personal opinion. I followed your test, but if felt like I was producing my own thoughts. I don't think your test is absolute proof of anything. What I do believe is that people should take responsibilities for their own actions. If someone commits a terrible crime, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it because they believe it's the fault of the Devil or God. Evil is the result of making bad choices, and the further we are from making good choices, the less free will we have and our ability to have control over our thoughts becomes impaired. The less control we have over our thoughts, the further away from God we become. Again feeling is not evidence. Could you see some selection of thoughts and you selected the best one? Or did a series of thoughts just arise and it just happened? If you cannot select a thought I would say that is solid evidence. What else is there to say? If you really observe your thoughts you will notice the sequence in decision making matters 1) thought no 1 is a question arises 2) the answer arises 3) I chose the answer ( gives you the feeling that you chose it) As for the rest. Yes I would like it to be as described. And as long as we have our heads in the sand we can pretend and play it is like this. Throw folks in jail etc..... Just there is no evidence this is the actual reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 14 hours ago, Campion said: If we assume that the devil is a very evil spirit doing very bad things, then the question is why does God allow him to exist? But it's only a small step from there to point out that humans do some pretty evil stuff too, so why does God permit us to behave badly? You don't need to assume the existence of the devil, as we know human evil exists, even though the devil is assumed to be more evil than us, so is it a matter of degree of evil? But then as you go on to say, we don't choose our thoughts so do we have free will at all to choose good or bad behaviour? If we don't have free will then we can't really call it good or evil can we? So if God permits us to have free will to choose our behaviour, why shouldn't he permit the devil to have the same? I completely concur. And highlights the problems for me with Christianty. The stories and wisdom is fantastic. But it doesn't relate to our actual experience or close examination of matters when we start to dig deeply. Unless we take the Gnostic view which is more in line with non duality/ Advaita teachings . I would also like to add, my personal view. There is no superhuman God as far as I am aware. There are also no things. No things to blame or to grant power to. There is total free will for YOU, but only the real you. Not this limited appearance we temporarily witness, that has no free will at all. Edited March 20 by Mr H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 6 hours ago, Mr H said: I feel that I can control my thoughts. But feeling isn't evidence. I'm a truth seeker Even neuroscientists evidence that decisions are not made consciously, you know nothing of it. It happens in subconscious mind before you're aware of it - according to them. And this will be automated due to your conditioning and environment. No one actually selecting thoughts..... It gets worse than that when you really dig in. "You" don't choose when to breathe,to see, smell, to move, blink, to digest food - nothing really. It just happens and goes on The evidence suggesting we don't choose our thoughts is very relieving to me personally and does not make me unhappy There is a will in creation that we have no control over, but within that framework we do have varying degrees of free will. For example, if someone is accused of a murder, it has to proven that the person freely chose to commit the crime. If there are factors that may show the person wasn't acting freely, then the lesser charge of manslaughter could be presented. So in some things, we can choose, but in others things we have less freedom of choice. However, I can understand why people don't want to believe they don't have free will because they then don't have to take responsibility for their choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 6 hours ago, Mr H said: Again feeling is not evidence. Could you see some selection of thoughts and you selected the best one? Or did a series of thoughts just arise and it just happened? If you cannot select a thought I would say that is solid evidence. What else is there to say? If you really observe your thoughts you will notice the sequence in decision making matters 1) thought no 1 is a question arises 2) the answer arises 3) I chose the answer ( gives you the feeling that you chose it) As for the rest. Yes I would like it to be as described. And as long as we have our heads in the sand we can pretend and play it is like this. Throw folks in jail etc..... Just there is no evidence this is the actual reality Feeling is not proof, but it is evidence. There is no absolute proof that we don't have free will, so it doesn't matter what you believe, it's all subjective. We can't select all of our thoughts, but do have the ability to make a lot of choices in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mr H said: There is total free will for YOU, but only the real you. Not this limited appearance we temporarily witness, that has no free will at all. I agree, but in order to get back to a state of innocence, so that we can find the real "YOU", and experience total free will for the real "YOU", we have to make the right choices, and that where our free will kicks in. If the correct choices aren't made, the bad karma can't be redeemed. Edited March 20 by Piero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Here's an example of people choosing their reality: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, Mr H said: I would also like to add, my personal view. There is no superhuman God as far as I am aware. There are also no things. No things to blame or to grant power to. There is total free will for YOU, but only the real you. Not this limited appearance we temporarily witness, that has no free will at all. There's a point I get stuck on, which is that investigating questions of truth vs falsehood seems to require free will to proceed. I mean, how can I choose between facts and illusions if my entire thought process is either pre-determined or a random activity outside my control? If there really is no free will, any conclusions I might draw aren't true, they're just noise. There is no knowledge or meaning as such. The whole conversation about whether I am a free thinker is no more significant than if a spider gets some ink on its legs and scrawls across the page. I can only have a meaningful quest for the answer if free will already exists, so to conclude that it doesn't exist looks like a paradox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 In J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings", Frodo initially chooses to take on the burden of the Ring, demonstrating an act of free will. Throughout his journey, he makes numerous choices, both large and small that shape the course of events. However, as he nears Mount Doom, the Ring's power overwhelms him, and he ultimately claims it for himself, but Frodo's acts of showing mercy to Gollum - again these are choices that Frodo has made - are what set the stage for Gollum's role in the Ring's destruction. Frodo's Frodo's journey is a mixture of free will, and outside influences. While Frodo makes choices, the Ring's corrupting influence and the potential for a greater fate obviously complicate the issue of free will, which is why I mentioned in a previous post, in order to get back to a state of innocence, so that we can experience total free will for our real inner spirit, we have to make the right choices, which is where our free will kicks in. If good choices are made, bad karma can be redeemed, and that's what Frodo ultimately achieves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 It starts today. 42 months left. 21 03 25 . 33333. It's gonna get bumpy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/19/2025 at 9:28 AM, Mr H said: Why does Jesus need soldiers? If he is God, or son of. He would have the ability to make this place nice and no need for soldiering or fighting... 2 Corinthians:11: 16 to 12: 10 is worth reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/19/2025 at 10:12 AM, Mr H said: Another qu. If we take the bible as truth. Why doesn't God eliminate the Devil? The world is a stage, a test. Demonic possession is real, and their prize is your soul. Having sound discernment will help you navigate the untruths. A demon has to get your permission (free will) to disrupt your path/journey. The signs are everywhere. Society is primed to accept the antichrist. Far too many scoff at revelations, but it's unfolding. Project Blue Beam is worth researching. That will catch most of humanity, like Kung Flu did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/20/2025 at 5:29 AM, Mr H said: I completely concur. And highlights the problems for me with Christianty. The stories and wisdom is fantastic. But it doesn't relate to our actual experience or close examination of matters when we start to dig deeply. Unless we take the Gnostic view which is more in line with non duality/ Advaita teachings . I would also like to add, my personal view. There is no superhuman God as far as I am aware. There are also no things. No things to blame or to grant power to. There is total free will for YOU, but only the real you. Not this limited appearance we temporarily witness, that has no free will at all. The thing is, that Christianity is largely a devotional religion, for most Christians at least, and you seem to want something more philosophical or empirical. Compared with yoga, Christianity is bhakti yoga and bhakti needs personal deities as a focus for worship and devotion. Most ordinary people couldn't make sense of praying to "the real you" or some such formula, for their everyday spiritual needs. What you're describing is something more like raja or jnana yoga, which I think exist within Christianity as minority paths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadzookss Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 3/21/2025 at 12:52 AM, Campion said: I mean, how can I choose between facts and illusions if my entire thought process is either pre-determined or a random activity outside my control? If there really is no free will, any conclusions I might draw aren't true, they're just noise. Incarnating can be seen as a joining in on an evening session of theatre sports on a stage (not literally, just a nifty metaphor). You rock up after agreeing to a contract for your tenure and figure out what you'd like to do tonight. With a general direction and key moments highlighted for your acting role Backstage near a curtain, you wait 'til it is your time to enter. The moment you step out onto the stage and head to the spotlighted area you move into your chosen character. Your voice, posture, gait, and gestures all different as you deliver the first of your lines. You know you are yourself acting and playing with other actors, but are in the depth of the character ...if you think about it too much, you might mess up your lines and seem disingenuous, not a believable act. It takes a bit of adjusting to be acting with other mental gymnastics, so we climatise ourselves gradually as we immerse ourselves in the theatre. Each player has their main lines on the script, but can say anything else that is in character along the way. Sounds fun :) Once we enter the illusion, we are then subject to fates - these are simply key moments on your incarnational sojourn that are already "solidified" as to occur. The fated things, they are your choice initially afterall, you are just adhering to your own plotted course points. Before you can go through into physicality & the womb, an angelic editor weaves it in properly by replaying it one last time and making alterations to your thread to conform with the overall carpet of fates and accepted by the Spirit of Earth - akin to cellular metabolic processes maintaining the system. That is normal, though not in Soul-Farms where the editors are actually snooty "Mean Girls", but dudes with dorky attitudes. They don't go too far with the charade, the thumb down on us cannot be too hefty, it has to be mostly organic because we'd start to notice en-masse. Oh wait, they did go too far ...lol, noice. Caravan Palace - Comics (Official MV) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) On 3/21/2025 at 9:50 PM, Campion said: The thing is, that Christianity is largely a devotional religion, for most Christians at least, and you seem to want something more philosophical or empirical. Compared with yoga, Christianity is bhakti yoga and bhakti needs personal deities as a focus for worship and devotion. Most ordinary people couldn't make sense of praying to "the real you" or some such formula, for their everyday spiritual needs. What you're describing is something more like raja or jnana yoga, which I think exist within Christianity as minority paths. Just to clarify I don't want anything from any religion or philosophy. I stick with experience, otherwise the alternative is delusion. I read the religion and philosophies and use from them what resonates. With Christianty for me. There are great wisdom teachings on how to conduct life. I think the Jesus charecter is a good symbol as to how a decent human should behave and is a good role model. I think the gnostic view in regards to enlightenment makes a lot of sense. The other stuff commonly believed, big man in the sky doing all this stuff, answering some prayers, falling asleep in others, and there was a guy called Jesus making the sea depart in two - is for children. Zero evidence for any of that stuff. And I completely disregard it. And I don't see any benefit in devoting to that, unless you're looking for a father figure to save you somehow? On that regard I think I agree with the early Christian these are allegorical stories to help us enlighten, but for modern christians who take it as historical it just hinders their progress and takes their power away. My 2 cents on it FWIW Edit. I also think as a devotional religion it differs from the others. The others don't literally believe generally speaking, there is a women with 8 arms, or an elephant god. But they devote to them as a larger surrendering process, where as many christians actually believe in big man in sky god and Jesus who can walk on water and divide a sea into 2... Edited March 28 by Mr H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 29 minutes ago, Mr H said: Edit. I also think as a devotional religion it differs from the others. The others don't literally believe generally speaking, there is a women with 8 arms, or an elephant god. But they devote to them as a larger surrendering process, where as many christians actually believe in big man in sky god and Jesus who can walk on water and divide a sea into 2... That's an good point, though I can't speak for Christians or Hindus etc regarding how literally they take their Gods and other characters. I suspect it's a mixture but don't know how much of each. I'm interested in theories about interdimensional beings, ancient aliens etc, giving rise to religious beliefs about what we might call gods and demons etc. For example with David Icke's reptilian aliens being equated with demons. Many traditions have mythologies about 'wars in heaven' and such, with technologically advanced weapons and craft to travel around in. Viewed from that perspective, maybe we can say there is extensive evidence even though it's still considered alternative history and not accepted as mainstream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 minutes ago, Campion said: That's an good point, though I can't speak for Christians or Hindus etc regarding how literally they take their Gods and other characters. I suspect it's a mixture but don't know how much of each. I'm interested in theories about interdimensional beings, ancient aliens etc, giving rise to religious beliefs about what we might call gods and demons etc. For example with David Icke's reptilian aliens being equated with demons. Many traditions have mythologies about 'wars in heaven' and such, with technologically advanced weapons and craft to travel around in. Viewed from that perspective, maybe we can say there is extensive evidence even though it's still considered alternative history and not accepted as mainstream. From one perspective this is totally possible the alien theory. In reality, there is no history, no time and space - we're just making this shit up in mind. Until we let go of the illusion and return to "god" we will stay trapped and the potential stories are infinite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) Gnosticism, Paganism, and atheism all perfectly dovetail into the 'illuminati', Luciferian, NWO agenda. Freemasonry is largely based on Gnosticism, and the ancient Mystery Religion of Babylon and Egypt, and is also deeply intertwined with Enlightenment ideals. "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis Edited March 28 by Piero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr H said: In reality, there is no history, no time and space. Time is an illusory concept, but space is real. Edited March 28 by Piero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Abomination that causes desolation - Henry VIII Self Appointment as Head of Church Number of Monarchs and Usa presidents since/including Henry - 69 2030 - 1547 (H Viii death)=483 years. 62 + 7 × 7 = 483 Daniel 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Widely accepted date of crucifixion of Jesus 13/03 Convert using ancient solar calendar = 04/07 (Sound familiar?) Possible birth date of Jesus 19/05. Convert as above = 11/9 (11 September, Sound familiar?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Biblical events unfolding. Death of Charles the final trigger. I'd get out of California for starters. God bless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Piero said: Time is an illusory concept, but space is real. Space is illusiory too. You never go anywhere, you're always here....it's mind that is in constant motion. That's the only way it can survive Edited March 28 by Mr H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Piero said: Gnosticism, Paganism, and atheism all perfectly dovetail into the 'illuminati', Luciferian, NWO agenda. Freemasonry is largely based on Gnosticism, and the ancient Mystery Religion of Babylon and Egypt, and is also deeply intertwined with Enlightenment ideals. "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis No surprise why they are so successful in this reality. Because they've discovered how this place operates.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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