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8 hours ago, Phil26 said:

More to the point what is your definition of god?

 

Can you prove what god is?

 

Divine is god LIKE, not God.

 

A flower can be god like, so can a baby or the Sun. So all of those things can be divine.

 

Religion does not own the definition of god.

 

Given that gods, god and God can mean so many different things to different people so does the word divine. Also the usage and meaning of words change over time.

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7 hours ago, Phil26 said:

It's actually a very helpful term and extremely  appropriate.

 

It's not as if the powerful, wealthy elite are even hiding it, they speak about it publicly and publish their plans. Seriously, how are you missing all that?

 

Governments and corporations are rapidly developing AI through military research that is designed to monitor, control and take away freedom and choice from the population. You don't have a problem with the current control and surveillance using AI? The fact AI is 'advising' and steering government policy. It's AI that decides if someone gets a mortgage or a car loan, it's AI that is checking your kids exam and decides if they cheated, but don't worry it's nearly 60% right on that. AI decides who gets what healthcare. 

 

Even if you put aside the more esoteric material from David Icke I honestly can't understand how anyone can be in any doubt that the authorities globally are using AI technology in an AI agenda to control people. If you still cannot see that then you are willfully burying your head in the sand. All of the information is out there and everything can be checked for yourself. 

 

So in your opinion the jabs, the internet of things, brain interface, smart cities, cashless societies, UPF and transhumanism are ok?

Personally I don't experience any problems with AI. Without AI there would have been no industrial revolution, no trains, no cars etc. been quite handy.

 

You mention surveillance and control. I do have a problem with this. But it's made of a million different parts. One tool maybe AI. I wouldn't define being surveiled as an AI agenda.

 

Like I said they say AI agenda because the mention of the word evokes an emotional response. Emotional response you can control people with, and sell stuff to people. The term AI agenda is a control agenda in itself.

 

Just my take....

 

As for the other things you mention. Transhumanism, cashless socities. Those things are not for me personally and I have decided to live an alternate life. The majority seems to want it though.

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Circling back to topic with the example of AI. You and the entire world have the belief that AI will take over. Let's see what kind of reality forms from this collective belief. I suspect the very thing you claim to wish to avoid. 

 

What would happen if no one believed in AI? Do people even know what AI is? (Hint just a word for automation).

 

No one would develop, use or buy it if they didn't believe in it....

 

This is why AI is touted everywhere to get folks to believe in it. Matters not if you hate or love it, as long as you believe in it, it will stay.

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13 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Actually I think you didn't follow what I wrote as I didn't say that about ego. The is no ego, it's just a theory with no evidence for it.

 

Name any evidence for an ego?

 

Come to think of it, what evidence is there for consciousness, for mind? They're only subjective sensations not scientific evidence. That leads to things like materialism and behaviourism. 

 

Then again, the idealists argue there's no evidence for the objective material world, that subjectivity is the only truth we know. 

 

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2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Come to think of it, what evidence is there for consciousness, for mind? They're only subjective sensations not scientific evidence. That leads to things like materialism and behaviourism. 

 

Then again, the idealists argue there's no evidence for the objective material world, that subjectivity is the only truth we know. 

 

There's no evidence that consciousness resides in mind.

 

Zero. 

 

It's inverted thinking.

 

People believe consciousness arises from mind or a brain. When you investigate, brain and mind arise in consciousness.

 

Important to get this thinking correct otherwise you build your house on sand and believe objects are "real" we are separate humans etc...

 

Imho of course 

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@Phil26

 

The ego IS REAL.

 

There is plenty of evidence.

 

I will give you one now.

 

Us two talking....

 

The ego, Defined as cluster of thoughts and feelings or body & mind. Is required to appear for I to separate myself and have a conversation with other. It's not an entity in its own right and has zero free will.

 

It is illusiory but real.

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12 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Not all apps for meditation are bad, that's simply a sweeping statement of assumption. I've used many apps,  and I know about the CIA  stuff. So what if some prefer help via aops with meditation? We are not all the same. We are in our own path. No one path is better than another. If  a tool works for someone who is starting out, then good for them. We can graduate to higher stuff our own way later. We all have to start somewhere.

Also, not everything is about meditation. There are many ways to connect. As an example, I don't particularly like meditation, but I can use certain frequencies instead. To each their own.

All I said was that you shouldn't dismiss my opinions as "ridiculous".

 

You say that if a beginner starts meditating using apps, regardless of the consequences, that you think it's "good for them". So you have no concern whether the apps are dangerous or not for your fellow beings? You wouldn't try to warn someone walking into danger because you're only interested in your new age 'path'.

 

Your defensiveness is entirely of your own feelings. I have not said you don't have you own path! The opposite in fact. I have respected your opinions and even complimented you on some of your comments. 

 

You are wrong to say my opinions about meditation apps are based on "assumptions". In this thread I have explained in DETAIL the basis for my opinions, something you have ignored. I have not simply made assumptions I have researched this and looked at the evidence, it is you who is making assumptions that they are ok, or, as you say you don't care if they are dangerous or not.

 

Also your implication that an opinion is automatically wrong because you judge it "sweeping" is incorrect. There are plenty of things that a "sweeping" statement could be made about with validity. For example all of the jabs are bad for people and dangerous to their health. That is a "sweeping" statement and entirely valid.

 

The fact that you ignore the CIA and military involvement in the apps is very telling about your general approach to avoiding what you fear. You posted earlier saying you don't allow yourself to feel fear anymore, but it is not healthy to avoid fear completely and pretend not to see things just because they might disagree with your world view.

 

You're use of cliché after cliché as a defense is always a bad sign of a person having deep self doubt.

 

You assert that "no path is better than another", but that is new age propaganda. Your comment is full of new age clichés that you are programmed to repeat! It is obvious there are better 'paths' and worse 'paths', everything is not equal. If someone is navel gazing in Sedona for years while oblivious to their life they are getting nowhere. An example of this was a couple I knew. They were a white British born couple with no native American Indian heritage. But despite this he had convinced himself he was a 'Chief' who was channeling a native American god (for a fee of course). 🙄 And she was apparently an implant remover for aliens from the Pleiades (again for a fee). Apparently they were also indigo related and Soulmates/Twin flames (they weren't sure which). Interestingly you see the latest trend in the new age always just happens to be the thing people suddenly realise they are. 🙄 They were completely incompatible in every way (which of course they took as a karmic sign to stay together) and they fought every day. They would make snide remarks and they ended up with complete contempt for each other, it was one of the most vicious divorces I've seen. Every one of their friends had to deal with the fallout and they managed to turn many people against each other (must be because they were so enlightened eh). 🙄 He eventually gave up the native American Indian bs and last I heard of them he is a living in a rented room and drinking heavily and wife apparently conned an old couple out of their home using the implant bs and their grown kids found out and have gone after her for the money. They continually used the exact phrases you have and they had the exact same defensive attitude, even when a close female friend of hers tried to help her she used personal info to 'punish' her for trying to help her! 

 

Then there are those sucked into the 'path' of Freemasonry or other cults. 🙄 But hey, according to you no discernment is necessary as you think no path is better or worse than another.

 

Everyone can have an opinion, but that doesn't make all opinions correct or equal. The test of the validity of an opinion is if you're willing to argue your case for that opinion, otherwise all you are doing is shouting off baseless beliefs.

 

Everyone should choose their own 'path' but when that 'path' is used as an excuse to glorify the blinkered walking of that 'path' you have lost your way.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Smart technology is all around you. As I pointed out it is everywhere. There is no way you grow all your own food, don't use electricity.or public transport. 🙄

 

Do you believe you are immune to frequencies?

 

"Smart technology refers to “self-monitoring, analysis, and reporting technology”. It is a technology that uses artificial intelligence, machine learning, and big data analysis to provide cognitive awareness to objects that were in the past considered inanimate.".

 

You obviously own a WIRELESS ROUTER! 🙄

 

no i don't use a router wirelessly. I use a cable to the router. The wifi is disabled

 

You are correct that i cannot avoid being affected by the frequences emitted by others so thanks for that. But that is not a reason for me to join you in emitting harmful frequencies and buying the smart tech that will enslave us. That is a reason for you to stop doing it

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21 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Also, not believing in a 'soul' does not mean someone does not believe in good morally right thinking and behaviour.

 

if you are watching the wider picture here then you will see that the 'woke' part of the conspiracy is trying to destroy objective reality. They will tell you that there is no such thing as a woman and a man and that such things are merely a 'social construct' which is to say a delusion of your mind rather than a biological reality

 

The same agenda is at work on morality in that they are trying to tell us that there is no wrong or right and that morality is just subjective opinion and not objective and what that does is it opens up the door for them to create the world that they want which would be a world of total perversion and pedophilia. That is absolutely part of what the cabal are trying to achieve

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52 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

if you are watching the wider picture here then you will see that the 'woke' part of the conspiracy is trying to destroy objective reality. They will tell you that there is no such thing as a woman and a man and that such things are merely a 'social construct' which is to say a delusion of your mind rather than a biological reality

 

The same agenda is at work on morality in that they are trying to tell us that there is no wrong or right and that morality is just subjective opinion and not objective and what that does is it opens up the door for them to create the world that they want which would be a world of total perversion and pedophilia. That is absolutely part of what the cabal are trying to achieve

 

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14 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yes and yes. I

 

Personally I don't experience any problems with AI. Without AI there would have been no industrial revolution, no trains, no cars etc. been quite handy.

 

You mention surveillance and control. I do have a problem with this. But it's made of a million different parts. One tool maybe AI. I wouldn't define being surveiled as an AI agenda.

 

Like I said they say AI agenda because the mention of the word evokes an emotional response. Emotional response you can control people with, and sell stuff to people. The term AI agenda is a control agenda in itself.

 

Just my take....

 

As for the other things you mention. Transhumanism, cashless socities. Those things are not for me personally and I have decided to live an alternate life. The majority seems to want it though.

You won't have a choice to live an "alternate" life in this world. You're like those people in the 1990s who said they would never use credit cards or a mobile phone, those in the 2000s who said the internet isn't for them. You will have to join the majority as they will make it impossible to buy food or have a roof over your head without it.

 

You said you have had no problems with AI. I seriously doubt that, however even if you haven't why have you no concerns for your fellow beings who do?

 

It is actually quite terrible nowadays the amount of apathy and disregard people have for those in the world around them.

 

You also wrote - "Without AI there would have been no industrial revolution, no trains, no cars etc.". You will have to explain that as unless you believe AI is running this simulation in 3D what you've said had nothing to do with the AI you said exists.

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1 hour ago, Phil26 said:

You won't have a choice to live an "alternate" life in this world. You're like those people in the 1990s who said they would never use credit cards or a mobile phone, those in the 2000s who said the internet isn't for them. You will have to join the majority as they will make it impossible to buy food or have a roof over your head without it.

 

You said you have had no problems with AI. I seriously doubt that, however even if you haven't why have you no concerns for your fellow beings who do?

 

It is actually quite terrible nowadays the amount of apathy and disregard people have for those in the world around them.

 

You also wrote - "Without AI there would have been no industrial revolution, no trains, no cars etc.". You will have to explain that as unless you believe AI is running this simulation in 3D what you've said had nothing to do with the AI you said exists.

Sure I will explain it. AI is machine automation. It has been around for centuries. It it used to make cars and trains and pretty much most things we enjoy since Industrial revolution. So personally I'm quite grateful.

 

Ok well. You just stated they will make it impossible to live without. So why worry or get worked up about it?

 

You make a few assumptions also. That I'm one of those from the 2000s or whenever who didn't want credit cards or internet. I wasn't. And that I have no empathy with so called "humans" also not the case. That's why I try and express the truth on matters (as I see it) and provide practical solutions. Mainly the way out is to know who you truly are. If that happened no one would hurt anyone else knowingly. And stop believing in stuff you don't want to happen, that it will happen. Create your own world as you see fit. There is absolutely no one stopping you from doing this. Instead you waste your time worrying about AI, even though the reality is, AI has actually served you pretty well in your actual real experience. That's if we define AI sensibly for what it actually is, and not some unprovable theory that it's some kind of demonic force by itself....

 

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Of course if I have missed something and I should be scared about something which can be evidenced. And there is a practical solution for it that I'm not already deploying - please share.

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17 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Come to think of it, what evidence is there for consciousness, for mind? They're only subjective sensations not scientific evidence. That leads to things like materialism and behaviourism. 

 

Then again, the idealists argue there's no evidence for the objective material world, that subjectivity is the only truth we know. 

 

Interesting how humans are obsessed with needing proof for everything. It's a.great way to control people. 

 

Belief gets all the attention, but it's just as easy to manipulate people with demanding evidence before they'll consider anything to be true.

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14 hours ago, Mr H said:

@Phil26

 

The ego IS REAL.

 

There is plenty of evidence.

 

I will give you one now.

 

Us two talking....

 

The ego, Defined as cluster of thoughts and feelings or body & mind. Is required to appear for I to separate myself and have a conversation with other. It's not an entity in its own right and has zero free will.

 

It is illusiory but real.

No. That's just a theory, a belief. You talking to someone does not prove ego. 

 

We can be sure we exist. That's it. Beyond that it's all belief and fake sets of rules we have created to ',prove' things aka science.

 

There is no evidence for an ego. 

 

The only reason people talk about the ego today is Freud! Nothing more. ONE MAN AND HIS THOUGHTS, that's all that is. He only used it because he needed a label to 'explain' the 'unconscious' and other consciousness states, which he artificially separated into parts. It's just a theoretical model, nothing more and not meaningful in any way. Freud was a propagandist for the elite. 

 

Consciousness is not different parts, Freud was covering up for how they trap and manipulate people's memories. He also talked loads of bs about sex. He was also a pervert and obsessed with sexuality in children. Freud was a pervert and an elitist pawn.

 

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10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

no i don't use a router wirelessly. I use a cable to the router. The wifi is disabled

 

You are correct that i cannot avoid being affected by the frequences emitted by others so thanks for that. But that is not a reason for me to join you in emitting harmful frequencies and buying the smart tech that will enslave us. That is a reason for you to stop doing it

You're making false assumptions about me. You're wrong. 

 

Nowhere did I say smart tech is good. 🙄

 

What do you mean "will enslave", it already has enslaved the population!

 

You think you've 'disabled' the wireless emissions but you haven't. Like the microphone, camera and other functions of devices they are still functioning, they just let you think they are turned off.

 

What's your opinion on MAC codes being transmitted by those who have had the jab?

 

And I don't believe you don't own a mobile phone.

 

Even if you switched off all your wireless internet in your home you are being saturated in it from every home, vehicle and phone around you.

 

Smart tech is dangerous but until you understand the deeper levels of the problem, beyond what you see in front of you, you're sleep walking into oblivion.

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10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

if you are watching the wider picture here then you will see that the 'woke' part of the conspiracy is trying to destroy objective reality. They will tell you that there is no such thing as a woman and a man and that such things are merely a 'social construct' which is to say a delusion of your mind rather than a biological reality

 

The same agenda is at work on morality in that they are trying to tell us that there is no wrong or right and that morality is just subjective opinion and not objective and what that does is it opens up the door for them to create the world that they want which would be a world of total perversion and pedophilia. That is absolutely part of what the cabal are trying to achieve

Technically everything is a social construct at the level of the 3D simulation. That is the problem, the 'woke' agenda can only use those 'social construct' arguments because at the 3D level those things ARE a social construct.

 

The reason why you're still fighting it at their level is you're still playing their game. They've got you stuck in an argument with them about things that aren't even real.

 

Seriously, imagine you're on a plane crashing into ground and you're getting upset about whether or not a fake simulation 'human' with a penis is winning a sports event instead of a fake simulation 'human' who is a woman.

 

Of course they are trying to create that perverted world. They already have, it just most of it is hidden from the public at large.

 

The trans movement is really only a stepping stone to transhumanism and the dehumanisation of society and the 3D simulation. They will cause a closed system eventually, which is their goal. At the moment it is inefficient and too much for them to control, but they are refining it with each cycle and upgrade. To those in the simulation it just appears as rapid change, for example the last hundred years in comparison to the previous thousand years. Time is speeding up as the efficiency of the simulation increases.

 

You're getting bogged down in the bs games they play to get you hooked, like some soap opera. You're feeding them with anger, fear and attention.

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7 hours ago, Mr H said:

Sure I will explain it. AI is machine automation. It has been around for centuries. It it used to make cars and trains and pretty much most things we enjoy since Industrial revolution. So personally I'm quite grateful.

 

Ok well. You just stated they will make it impossible to live without. So why worry or get worked up about it?

 

You make a few assumptions also. That I'm one of those from the 2000s or whenever who didn't want credit cards or internet. I wasn't. And that I have no empathy with so called "humans" also not the case. That's why I try and express the truth on matters (as I see it) and provide practical solutions. Mainly the way out is to know who you truly are. If that happened no one would hurt anyone else knowingly. And stop believing in stuff you don't want to happen, that it will happen. Create your own world as you see fit. There is absolutely no one stopping you from doing this. Instead you waste your time worrying about AI, even though the reality is, AI has actually served you pretty well in your actual real experience. That's if we define AI sensibly for what it actually is, and not some unprovable theory that it's some kind of demonic force by itself....

 

You haven't actually offered any practical solutions to the problems of the elitist plan to use AI to control the population or the trap of the 3D simulation, so it's odd you say you have.

 

You are incorrect to state that all machines are AI. A car (before GPS and now smart features) were not AI. A car engine, steam engine, plough, tractor, mill or similar were not AI. Those machines did not have intelligence.

 

Here is a definition of AI.

"Artificial intelligence is the science of making machines that can think like humans. It can do things that are considered "smart." AI technology can process large amounts of data in ways, unlike humans. The goal for AI is to be able to do things such as recognize patterns, make decisions, and judge like humans.".

 

You say a steam engine can think or process information like a human. No it can't.

 

It is strange you are grateful to AI. You're referring to it as if it were a person.

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6 hours ago, Mr H said:

Of course if I have missed something and I should be scared about something which can be evidenced. And there is a practical solution for it that I'm not already deploying - please share.

Just look around you. Read and research the reset, the brain mesh, the cashless society, social credit score and all the other information out there. If you're still not bothered then you have nothing stopping you from walking into oblivion.

 

You want a practical solution? Read The Trap and The Dream. There's no point in me repeating what Icke has already detailed in those books. He explains the solution to the trap.

 

What do you plan to do when you die?

 

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10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

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Just one of many in the system.

 

Your point?

 

So what are you going to do about the world? Just gossip to others about it? 

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1 hour ago, Phil26 said:

You haven't actually offered any practical solutions to the problems of the elitist plan to use AI to control the population or the trap of the 3D simulation, so it's odd you say you have.

 

You are incorrect to state that all machines are AI. A car (before GPS and now smart features) were not AI. A car engine, steam engine, plough, tractor, mill or similar were not AI. Those machines did not have intelligence.

 

Here is a definition of AI.

"Artificial intelligence is the science of making machines that can think like humans. It can do things that are considered "smart." AI technology can process large amounts of data in ways, unlike humans. The goal for AI is to be able to do things such as recognize patterns, make decisions, and judge like humans.".

 

You say a steam engine can think or process information like a human. No it can't.

 

It is strange you are grateful to AI. You're referring to it as if it were a person.

With respect I have on this thread and on many others.

 

The FINAL SOLUTION to ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. Is

 

For you to self actualize.

 

If everybody did this and realized we are essentially the same being. All apparent evil and suffering in the world would end. Because no one of any intelligence would knowingly hurt themselves. Many folks don't want this because they have built an identity based upon problems and suffering. Take it away and most folks are lost.

 

Less good solutions I have offered. Is to create your own world as you wish it to be and invite others to join.

 

I have also spoken previously. If you have a particular skill, like you are a great lawyer or Doctor then stand up and challenge the system directly.

 

There are many definition of AI. Most changed as time has passed.

 

 

AI  in its original form and definition is machine automation.

 

More recently people associate it with training computers to more like humans and all the smart technology that comes with it. To clarify when I say AI, as I mentioned before I use old traditional original definition.

 

If we are talking about smart grids. I would call that a smart grid agenda not AI agenda and it consists of many other things, not just AI.

 

To confirm I hate the idea of smart living and will do my best not get involved in it.

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1 hour ago, Phil26 said:

Just look around you. Read and research the reset, the brain mesh, the cashless society, social credit score and all the other information out there. If you're still not bothered then you have nothing stopping you from walking into oblivion.

 

You want a practical solution? Read The Trap and The Dream. There's no point in me repeating what Icke has already detailed in those books. He explains the solution to the trap.

 

What do you plan to do when you die?

 

Yeah man. I am very aware of reset and all the agendas. I just don't aggregate them into one thing and label it AN AI agenda. I did not mention I am not concerned about those things.

 

I cannot die, so no plans there.

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The reason why I don't aggregate all agenda and call it AI agenda because for me it is misleading and gives the word AI unnecessary power, in terms of fear for people, just at the mention of the word.

 

The agendas are made of many composite parts, AI, just one small part.

 

AI in historical definition is just machine automation. Which has been around for centuries and served us pretty well.

 

AI in current state is a load fricking dumb excel databases, also nothing to be perturbed about.

 

Maybe in future we have something different and computers start thinking for themselves and maybe we decide to call this AI.  NOW that would be a concern. But it doesn't exist today. And I am not able to stop the person in the future who will create it. So it seems at this point in time, a bit pointless in my view to be continually worried about AI.

 

Edit. The whole point of this thread is to discuss the hypothesis, do beliefs create your reality.

 

Considering AI historically and currently is NON THREAT. You are worrying about a future AI which doesn't exist.

 

If my hypothesis is correct. How will your beliefs that AI will take over the world effect the outcome? Especially as this belief is polluting the collective psyche.....

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5 hours ago, Mr H said:

If everybody did this and ...

 

Ah yes, if only enough other people were with us we could change the world. I see this so much yet we are still too few. The forces of darkness and degeneracy have most of the people under their spell and for the foreseeable future we need to organise and prepare as a hated minority. 

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13 hours ago, Phil26 said:

You're making false assumptions about me. You're wrong. 

 

Nowhere did I say smart tech is good. 🙄

 

And I don't believe you don't own a mobile phone.

 

i don't own a smart phone

 

now look.....this is all very simple. You eat, i eat and david icke eats. We all do this because we know that to not eat leads to a state of death

 

in the same way that the wrong kind of action leads to death, the wrong kind of action leads to enslavement

 

same thing. If you accept that not eating will lead to death then you must also accept that some behaviours lead to other things including slavery

 

so now we have established this simple truth we can then consider what actions will lead to what and therefore what actions and inactions are required to avoid that

 

but lets not make fluffy, new age arguments for NOT doing anything

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12 hours ago, Phil26 said:

So what are you going to do about the world? Just gossip to others about it? 

 

lets consider some very simple examples which can be extrapolated across our lives and across the whole of society

 

the state comes out and says ''you must take these covid jabs''

 

and i say ''no way''

 

now because i was a minority i did not manage to stop that agenda. However if tens of millions had also said 'no' then the agenda could not go ahead

 

During the jabbing the state created apps and a 'track and trace' scheme that was reliant on people owning smart phones. Now i didn't have a smart phone so i could not participate but as i was a minority this did not stop the agenda. However if tens of millions of people had listened to me over many years PRIOR to the covid scamdemic telling people to get rid of their smart tech then the agenda could not have gone ahead

 

see the pattern here? Now apply it to everything from food, to media consumed, to banks to everything and we can see that evil only succeeds through peoples support. the answer then is for people to WITHDRAW THEIR SUPPORT but for this to happen requires people to understand what is going on and therefore WHY they need to take those actions when it might seem, in the short term, to be easier not to. And for that to happen requires for people like me to keep 'gossiping' as you put it so that everyone becomes cogniscent of these things and can then make informed choices

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