No resistance IS NOT the same as no action

[Mr H]

I do see this assumption come up in the forums......

 

That is spiritual folks who are into oneness, and no resistance somehow equates to no action....

 

It is actually the opposite.

 

When you don't resist anything thus allows you the freedom to take action. You do not resist a no, that's not right if it comes up. You accept it and then have the freedom to take action because you don't resist the consequences either. It is not a blind acceptance and tolerance of trash like human experience......

[Campion]

It's a deep matter isn't it. And it depends on what's really happening with free will. Do we choose what comes up for us, including any resistance and acceptance, or is there a self controlling all this? 

 

I spent some years learning Buddhist meditation and mindfulness which has the idea of the middle way. That has various meanings, one of which means finding a middle path between grasping and aversion, clinging and rejecting. That doesn't mean a limp, passive acceptance, but an active opening up to what happens. So in meditation practice we were taught to allow whatever came up in our minds, give it space to come for a while and then go by itself, as all things are impermanent. Let it come, let it be, let it go.  In this sense, resistance and attachment are just more things to watch as they pass through. 

 

That's what to do with the contents of our mind during meditation, it doesn't mean that all external events should be accepted. But as you say it will help give us freedom and courage to face up to what needs to be done. 

[ReptileSlayer]

We have to keep our powder dry. We also have to make sacrifices. When you get called you just do the job that was assigned to you.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

15 hours ago, Mr H said:

I do see this assumption come up in the forums......

 

That is spiritual folks who are into oneness, and no resistance somehow equates to no action....

 

It is actually the opposite.

 

When you don't resist anything thus allows you the freedom to take action. You do not resist a no, that's not right if it comes up. You accept it and then have the freedom to take action because you don't resist the consequences either. It is not a blind acceptance and tolerance of trash like human experience......

Bang on! There were many years I would speak out on every part of the agenda whenever any opportunity arose. For years I also beat myself up thinking I should be doing more than just researching and following information. Due to my work I had also been healing old trauma and wounds and doing Spiritual work. 

 

About 8 years ago I began some investments and because I was married at the time was limited in what I could do in that regard as you always need two to agree. After my marriage broke up I was free to invest in the ways I wanted and was able to start a small business doing that. I still worked part-time but the plan was to get to a point where I was free from working for someone else, free to be my own boss and slowly move to off-grid and little by little less dependent on the system. Along came COVID and I was stood down due to the mandates and will admit I was angry and at times worried. But coming up to two years later and I have two small businesses, due to the time away from a 'normal job' and the loss of my mum, I spent the last two years healing old wounds, healing my shadow and learning a ton of skills that have empowered me to feel in total control of my life. I am not quite ready to move off-grid but am probably very close if I choose to be. There are many ways to 'resist' and one of them is to leave the system behind, become self reliant, but also to heal yourself on all levels. I have never felt so strong, so in control, so empowered,  so capable than I do now. True freedom comes from the Spiritual journey, not from fighting a system that was only ever designed to STOP you becoming Spiritual. 

 

A few months ago I got involved with a project and met a few 'freedom fighters', but I found they were just seeking the next 'information fix'; they were mostly angry and very few were interested in doing any healing on themselves. What I noticed is they were still trying to change the World so that they would not have to change, or lose people they were too scared to let go. 

 

True freedom is being as free as you can from the systems/matrix, and being so healed that you are in total control from a Soul perspective. When your Soul is the one living in this realm you have cracked it. 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by BornFreeNowAgain

[Mr H]

16 hours ago, Campion said:

It's a deep matter isn't it. And it depends on what's really happening with free will. Do we choose what comes up for us, including any resistance and acceptance, or is there a self controlling all this? 

 

 

The issue of free will is largely trapped in language for me. Is there free will yes. Do seperate entities really exist? No. Free will is only for the true one that exists, or I.

 

The human experience, experiences the movement of free will via thoughts, one of which appears as a deciding thought....

 

I think it is our nature to not resist. Otherwise stuff wouldn't exist in us if we actually had the ability to resist. Anything we truly resist does not exist in experience.

 

 

[Mr H]

8 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Bang on! There were many years I would speak out on every part of the agenda whenever any opportunity arose. For years I also beat myself up thinking I should be doing more than just researching and following information. Due to my work I had also been healing old trauma and wounds and doing Spiritual work. 

 

About 8 years ago I began some investments and because I was married at the time was limited in what I could do in that regard as you always need two to agree. After my marriage broke up I was free to invest in the ways I wanted and was able to start a small business doing that. I still worked part-time but the plan was to get to a point where I was free from working for someone else, free to be my own boss and slowly move to off-grid and little by little less dependent on the system. Along came COVID and I was stood down due to the mandates and will admit I was angry and at times worried. But coming up to two years later and I have two small businesses, due to the time away from a 'normal job' and the loss of my mum, I spent the last two years healing old wounds, healing my shadow and learning a ton of skills that have empowered me to feel in total control of my life. I am not quite ready to move off-grid but am probably very close if I choose to be. There are many ways to 'resist' and one of them is to leave the system behind, become self reliant, but also to heal yourself on all levels. I have never felt so strong, so in control, so empowered,  so capable than I do now. True freedom comes from the Spiritual journey, not from fighting a system that was only ever designed to STOP you becoming Spiritual. 

 

A few months ago I got involved with a project and met a few 'freedom fighters', but I found they were just seeking the next 'information fix'; they were mostly angry and very few were interested in doing any healing on themselves. What I noticed is they were still trying to change the World so that they would not have to change, or lose people they were too scared to let go. 

 

True freedom is being as free as you can from the systems/matrix, and being so healed that you are in total control from a Soul perspective. When your Soul is the one living in this realm you have cracked it. 

 

 

Fricking awesome......

[Cassady]

On 12/29/2023 at 9:40 PM, Campion said:

It's a deep matter isn't it. And it depends on what's really happening with free will. Do we choose what comes up for us, including any resistance and acceptance, or is there a self controlling all this? 

 

I spent some years learning Buddhist meditation and mindfulness which has the idea of the middle way. That has various meanings, one of which means finding a middle path between grasping and aversion, clinging and rejecting. That doesn't mean a limp, passive acceptance, but an active opening up to what happens. So in meditation practice we were taught to allow whatever came up in our minds, give it space to come for a while and then go by itself, as all things are impermanent. Let it come, let it be, let it go.  In this sense, resistance and attachment are just more things to watch as they pass through. 

 

That's what to do with the contents of our mind during meditation, it doesn't mean that all external events should be accepted. But as you say it will help give us freedom and courage to face up to what needs to be done. 

 

Spot on ! I've done a couple Vipassanas . One in Thailand and one in the U.K. On the third day on the Thailand one ( Suan Mok ) I exerpienced a place that I've never experienced before . A voice in my head goes ' this is a piece of piss ' or something like that and it I never got anywhere close to that beautiful place again. It was so frustrating ! If you could possibly give me any insight to what actually happened I'd be grateful..

[Mr H]

@Cassady just note on chasing states of being. Experiencing "perfect" state is often confused with enlightenment or spiritual evolution. It's why the progressive path is so popular - they can consistently sell courses and levels etc. rarely if ever, does anyone achieve lasting peace by these methods. States are objects. They come and they go. And what goes up must come down.......

 

The only path I know that actually works is the direct path. Of which a by product is peace in all situations....

[Campion]

8 hours ago, Cassady said:

Spot on ! I've done a couple Vipassanas . One in Thailand and one in the U.K. On the third day on the Thailand one ( Suan Mok ) I exerpienced a place that I've never experienced before . A voice in my head goes ' this is a piece of piss ' or something like that and it I never got anywhere close to that beautiful place again. It was so frustrating ! If you could possibly give me any insight to what actually happened I'd be grateful..

 

Well I've not heard voices but something did change when I learned Vipassana, more specifically a type called choiceless awareness. 

Up till then I'd practiced concentration style meditation, active sorts where you focus on something like the breath or a mantra, or body scan. I achieved some relaxed states and had a few brief experiences of non-self and OBEs, but it was always a bit of effort and struggle.

 

However as soon as I got into choiceless awareness and some other unfocused methods it all became effortless and light. Meditation isn't something I am doing, it is pure being. Awareness of awareness. That's a beautiful place for me. 

 

You mention about a couple of Vipassana retreats, do you have a regular meditation practice at home too? Maybe there's a teacher nearby who can help you progress? Or you could try experimenting with some other techniques if you've plateaued. 

[Campion]

5 hours ago, Mr H said:

@Cassady just note on chasing states of being. Experiencing "perfect" state is often confused with enlightenment or spiritual evolution. It's why the progressive path is so popular - they can consistently sell courses and levels etc. rarely if ever, does anyone achieve lasting peace by these methods. States are objects. They come and they go. And what goes up must come down.......

 

The only path I know that actually works is the direct path. Of which a by product is peace in all situations....

 

Letting go meditation was another game changer ok for me. Let go of all that stuff about getting somewhere, or changing anything, keep letting go until I even let go of letting go itself. Then those Zen riddles things started making sense like 'The gateless gate'. 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Campion