Are we living in hell?

[Mr H]

If you've ever watched the good place, they are folks who think they're in heaven until they read they were tricked, and they're actually living in hell.

 

Could we be experiencing the same?

 

Some to.and for arguments. Please add some more arguments so we can find out...

 

As a human experiencer looking around you. Everything that is important seems to be controlled by evil entities. Money, medicine food, energy, the government...  and sure. If you play ball. You can get buy. Work 9-5 in an office job to pay of your mortgage debt for the rest of your life, maybe go to.spain once a year and drive a ford motor car. 

 

But if you want freedom, justice, peace like the really important things it is not really here........

 

One could point to the mass starvation of millions whilst the EU chuck away excess food, the constant obsession with war and destruction as further pointers to it being evil. 

 

Heck, even the ones fighting evil supposedly, religious folks. Majority of them could well be worshipping on a daily basis satan himself if Gnostic theory is to be believed.

 

I think if you were an alien and you visited here. And someone asked the question then they'd probably say, yeah, evil.....

 

 

The argument against.....

 

This place is an illusion. There is no such thing as good and evil, only human perspective makes it so. And because you are part of the illusion, if you don't like it, you can change it by changing yourself.....

 

 

[Campion]

In the forum we talk a lot about the world being in the grip of a powerful conspiracy which exploits human ego, greed, fear and self centredness lower down the pyramid to divide and rule. So if there is a Satanic / Annunaki / Reptilian / alien race at the top, we can still be pretty nasty and petty to each other too. Of course if we all started saying no to evil and not complying with the top of the cabal it wouldn't continue, but then we'd have to replace the status quo with something else and so laziness and inertia play a big part of the problems too. 

 

Heaven and Hell are ideas from the Christian religion though so I don't look at it that way. 

[Mr H]

Yeah you're right. Hell might not be a good word as it also implies afterlife stuffs.

 

I guess I mean "evil place" 

[Macnamara]

I think we are living in a culture shaped by psychopaths who are highly organised through satanic secret societies

 

They appear to be in conflict with God and creation and intent on turning everything into a synthetic facsimile including humanity itself which they intend to subvert through genome sabotage and transhumanism

 

At the top of the satanic pyramid i would place the sabbateans who are encouraging satanists at all levels of society as a way to completely subvert society.

 

I believe the sabbateans have made themselves conduits for inter-dimensional entities

[Macnamara]

12 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

I think we are living in a culture shaped by psychopaths who are highly organised through satanic secret societies

 

They appear to be in conflict with God and creation and intent on turning everything into a synthetic facsimile including humanity itself which they intend to subvert through genome sabotage and transhumanism

 

At the top of the satanic pyramid i would place the sabbateans who are encouraging satanists at all levels of society as a way to completely subvert society.

 

I believe the sabbateans have made themselves conduits for inter-dimensional entities

 

mark passio was an ordained satanic priest and he says that the satanists believe that they are trapped in this reality and as a result they have decided that if they cannot reach the heavens they will rule this world as gods.

 

if, as i believe, they are working with evil entities then their magical rituals would be geared towards creating a sympathetic bridge (frequency) with the demonic realm thereby attempting to create hell here in earth

 

in hinduism this world comes into existence with the creation of duality in the form of shiva and shakti. Shakti is symbolised as a serpent and from her comes MAYA, the building material of all things. This makes her the creatrix of this world. This is thought of as being and non-being and therefore as illusion.

 

Maya (/ˈmɑːjə/; Devanagari: माया, IAST: māyā), literally "illusion" or "magic",^[1][2][3] has multiple meanings in Indian philosophies depending on the context. In later Vedic texts, māyā connotes a "magic show, an illusion where things appear to be present but are not what they seem";^[2][4] the principle which shows "attributeless Absolute" as having "attributes".^[3] Māyā also connotes that which "is constantly changing and thus is spiritually unreal" (in opposition to an unchanging Absolute, or Brahman), and therefore "conceals the true character of spiritual reality".^[5][6]

In the Advaita Vedanta school of Hindu philosophy, māyā, "appearance",^[7] is "the powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real".^[8] In this nondualist school, māyā at the individual level appears as the lack of knowledge (avidyā) of the real Self, Atman-Brahman, mistakingly identifying with the body-mind complex and its entanglements.^[8]

In Buddhist philosophy, māyā is one of twenty subsidiary unwholesome mental factors, responsible for deceit or concealment about the illusionary nature of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(religion)

Edited December 18, 2023 by Macnamara

[Mr H]

8 hours ago, Macnamara said:

I think we are living in a culture shaped by psychopaths who are highly organised through satanic secret societies

 

They appear to be in conflict with God and creation and intent on turning everything into a synthetic facsimile including humanity itself which they intend to subvert through genome sabotage and transhumanism

 

At the top of the satanic pyramid i would place the sabbateans who are encouraging satanists at all levels of society as a way to completely subvert society.

 

I believe the sabbateans have made themselves conduits for inter-dimensional entities

Ok Mac. So are you of the belief that this place is not inherently evil by design. More the case people have made it that way? For whatever the reason - I think bible gives allegoric explanation as to the why

[Macnamara]

15 hours ago, Mr H said:

Ok Mac. So are you of the belief that this place is not inherently evil by design. More the case people have made it that way? For whatever the reason - I think bible gives allegoric explanation as to the why

 

erm i don't think its as simple as that. Clearly there are horrific elements to this reality and at some point we are all going to die which isn't always a pleasant process

 

so my view is more that i don't deny the horror of this place nor its beauty but accept the fact that we are here for an indeterminate amount of time and must therefore get on with the job of being here

 

so i don't expect to be able to remove all pain from my existence.....in fact i EXPECT pain. What i think we need to cultivate though is the resilience to live despite of the pain. Can the human spirit maintain its dignity despite the horror and the pain and what makes that question so hard to answer is that there seem to be many bad actors on this planet whose entire raison d'etre appears to be to try and drag us all through the mud and break our spirit

 

If you take some of mankinds building projects for example you can see soaring and awe inspiring structures built out of solid matter. That solid matter takes great willpower, skill and discomfort to shape and manipulate into something beautiful. Some people may even be injured or killed in the process but they endure as monuments to the strength of the human spirit.

 

our feet are in the mud but we gaze towards the heavens......pretty sure i just nabbed that off oscar wilde albeit paraphrased

[WaveParticle]

Has anyone seen https://www.ickonic.com/Watch/2068, Michael Feeley's take on our ancient past; he basically challenges the interpretation of the Sumerian Scrolls by world-renowned author on the subject Zecharia Sitchin.  I found it very enlightening.

[Origin]

After considering all the additional information, non human, it will be close to that. The dream of being one, of being in control of reality rather indicates a severe problem. It reflects on all levels how primitive we are. It doesn't matter if cults are fighting for power, they don't control anything, and these meat suits are temporary. Everything has a price..

[bungalow]

Satan and NWO is basically the question of "are we all right?" and I think the answer is "only as right as the truth is." I find it sad, in fact, that the truth doesn't work without collective bargaining and agreement to the end that everybody is more or less "stupid." "WE" is such a sorry word in this world. "I" is the word for what Jesus pulled off - I suppose it is the only history that isn't a mass generated Satanic agreeance!

 

The pattern is to serve a lover (but if you ask Satan, just the brother, in some TURN for the Almighty).

[WaveParticle]

I think that Michael Feeley's take on all this is outstanding.  Love his shows on ickonic.com.  

[DaleP]

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You are all spellbound into the hell you are living in currently and that's where you'll be unless you get yourself out of the Matrix now.

 

[Eagle Eye]

On 12/18/2023 at 5:03 AM, Mr H said:

 

If you've ever watched the good place, they are folks who think they're in heaven until they read they were tricked, and they're actually living in hell.

 

Could we be experiencing the same?

 

The portrait of Doug Forcett… There’s an old expression, that even a broken clock can be correct up to twice a day. I think the people who were writing the script for this moving picture program were quite clever.

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Eagle Eye

[Eagle Eye]

On 12/18/2023 at 3:54 PM, Macnamara said:

mark passio was an ordained satanic priest and he says that the satanists believe that they are trapped in this reality and as a result they have decided that if they cannot reach the heavens they will rule this world as gods.

Far from “dancing with the devil,” I was always more interested in “angelic” activity. Some decades ago, in a meditation session, I was making an attempt to peer into the spirit realm. I was specifically considering what many believe to be a prophecy- if there’s any truth to it, and what does the spirit realm think of it. There is a definite awareness that their time is short, as in their days are numbered. They do feel trapped. They are essentially trapped. Eventually, they will become extinct, should they not change their ways.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2024 by Eagle Eye
Typos and clarity, as it’s a sensitive topic

[Campion]

3 hours ago, Eagle Eye said:

Far from “dancing with the devil,” I was always more interested in “angelic” activity. Some decades ago, in a meditation session, I was making an attempt to peer into the spirit realm. I was specifically considering what many believe to be a prophecy- if there’s any truth to it, and what does the spirit realm think of it. There is a definite awareness that their time is short, as in their days are numbered. They do feel trapped. They are essentially trapped. Eventually, they will become extinct, should they not change their ways.

 

The spirits told you they're mortal? That's interesting ... and someone or something is trapping them in the astral realm and their lifespan depends on how they behave. That's new to me, are you able to share the prophecy with us? Only if you want to though. 

[Eagle Eye]

15 hours ago, Campion said:

The spirits told you they're mortal? That's interesting ... and someone or something is trapping them in the astral realm and their lifespan depends on how they behave. That's new to me, are you able to share the prophecy with us? Only if you want to though.

I would have to really ponder over how to accurately elaborate, since you have questions. I was essentially trying to read the minds of those in the spirit realm around us. And mind reading is like feeling others’ emotions, though more. It’s like identifying the emotions, and the nuanced reasonings at the root of them. Individuals have all sorts of reasons for how they feel- yet sometimes the feelings are not based on actual truths. I believe most anyone should be able to sharpen their personal skills when it comes to mind reading. Could save your life when facing some obstacles out there- such as those who may wish to intentionally inflict harm.

 

 

[Eagle Eye]

On 12/18/2023 at 12:15 PM, Campion said:

 

Heaven and Hell are ideas from the Christian religion though so I don't look at it that way

Please know I do not advocate on behalf of any specific religion. All one truly needs to get out of this matrix, I believe, is true love and integrity. The two common factors between all of the peaceful religions out there- are they not love and integrity? 

 

Remember the analogy that religion is just different blind men all touching a different part of the elephant at the same time? Well, at least they are touching the elephant. At least they are all trying to see it for what it really is. So I enjoy objectively learning about them.

 

“The portrait of Doug Forcett” lends to the elephant analogy. In The Good Place, the demons of afterworld memorialized him, because he just happened to guess mostly right about what happens in the afterlife.

 

At least while you and I are touching the elephant together, we can compare notes on what we are respectively seeing. Hopefully it can help all of us piece together what’s truly out there.

 

I think Christianity as a whole gets a bad rap when it comes to the hell topic. Understandably so, as the hellfire teaching has been used as an instrument to induce submission through fear.

 

Hypothetically, if a parent were to literally burn their children in response to disobedience- how quickly would the authorities remove the children from their custody, and incarcerate the parents? The parents would have to stand trial in court. Yet somehow it’s just (righteous), for God to torment people eternally in a fire? For a mere lifetime worth of sins? Who is going to put God on trial?

 

For shits and giggles I have a Biblical encyclopedia reference to to hell, unlike any other I have ever seen. Hopefully it will copy/paste ok, though I could post a link.

 

I do caution to not get caught up in distraction rabbit holes. We all need a little rest, relaxation, recreation. Yet in this world we live in, it’s like a spiritual warfare out there. For example, it seems that most everyone was targeted by the jab, regardless of mere religious preferences.

 

 

Edited July 18, 2024 by Eagle Eye
Added one word

[Eagle Eye]

HELL

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

 

In 1885, with the publication of the complete English Revised Version, the original word sheʼohlʹ was in many places transliterated into the English text of the Hebrew Scriptures, though, in most occurrences, “grave” and “pit” were used, and “hell” is found some 14 times. This was a point on which the American committee disagreed with the British revisers, and so, when producing the American Standard Version (1901) they transliterated sheʼohlʹ in all 65 of its appearances. Both versions transliterated haiʹdes in the Christian Greek Scriptures in all ten of its occurrences, though the Greek word Geʹen·na (English, “Gehenna”) is rendered “hell” throughout, as is true of many other modern translations.

 

Concerning this use of “hell” to translate these original words from the Hebrew and Greek, Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 2, p. 187) says: “HADES . . . It corresponds to ‘Sheol’ in the O.T. [Old Testament]. In the A.V. of the O.T. [Old Testament] and N.T. [New Testament], it has been unhappily rendered ‘Hell.’”

 

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”

 

It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.

 

The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grolier Universal Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9, p. 205) under “Hell” says: “Hindus and Buddhists regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration. Islamic tradition considers it as a place of everlasting punishment.” The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the “nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the “Other World” as featuring “pits of fire” for “the damned.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead,with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960, pp. 135, 144, 149, 151, 153, 161, 200.

 

“Hellfire” has been a basic teaching in Christendom for many centuries. It is understandable why The Encyclopedia Americana (1956, Vol. XIV, p. 81) said: “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word hell. The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.” Nevertheless, such transliteration and consistent rendering does enable the Bible student to make an accurate comparison of the texts in which these original words appear and, with open mind, thereby to arrive at a correct understanding of their true significance.—See GEHENNA; GRAVE; HADES; SHEOL; TARTARUS.

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001978

 

 

Edited July 18, 2024 by Eagle Eye

[Eagle Eye]

On 7/16/2024 at 5:41 PM, Campion said:

The spirits told you they're mortal?

They told me nothing. I read their minds.

[Eagle Eye]

On 12/18/2023 at 12:15 PM, Campion said:

Heaven and Hell are ideas from the Christian religion though so I don't look at it that way. 

“Heaven”, to me, means being able to stay out of this matrix. “The expanse of the heavens,” I think of the other celestial bodies out there- other planets.

 

Ever think about the statistics on birth rates vs death rates on this planet? There’s a ratio. Birth has death beat- it’s about 2 to 1. Where are all these people coming from? Other planets, right?

 

I suspect this is the only prison planet in existence right now. I believe that Psalm 37:10 and 11 will come true here. In part, it says that one day evil people will essentially disappear. Those remaining will have their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Respectfully, even a broken clock can be correct once or twice a day.

 

However, I do believe DI and his warnings about the future. I believe that they will happen on a worse prison planet, awaiting those deserving of it. Marina Jacobi, author of The Harmonic Reactor, she offers in depth explanations about alternate realities. She warns people about some things that DI touches on. I enjoy comparing notes. Cheers to all the elephant touchers!

 

 

Edited July 18, 2024 by Eagle Eye

[Eagle Eye]

https://davidicke.com/?s=Leslie+wexner
 

The top search result is basically what I was looking for. The article tells of a man who spoke of his dybbuk.

 

The evil in this world is far too much for many of us to fathom. So much so, that I conjecture that’s where our infamous Satan the Devil has stemmed from. For those of us who have difficulty fathoming that our fellows could be so awful, it’s like an emotional scapegoat so we can reconcile these things within ourselves. I wonder if the evil spirits on the other side ever argue amongst themselves over who gets to play “Satan” for the day… Like children playing “house”, the children playing get to choose different roles, one is the mum, another is dad, and so forth. When you have people who would actually pray to Satan, and try to summon him, what it must look like on the other side as they argue over who gets to play Satan for that ritual… If there ever was a Satan the Devil, I wonder if he was never half as bad as people have painted him out to be.

 

[Mr H]

32 minutes ago, Eagle Eye said:

 If there ever was a Satan the Devil, I wonder if he was never half as bad as people have painted him out to be.

 

I believe that Satan represents the shadow part of the human psyche.

 

The bible is a great book but has many elements of control and division and guilt. This is to stop you being whole. They want us to not engage with our shadow, because doing so leads to integration of the whole and a much more fulfilled and holistic life.

 

The whole stick and carrot is be "good" as we say or God will fk you up! Quite Gangstaaar.....

[Lilymoon]

On 12/18/2023 at 5:03 AM, Mr H said:

If you've ever watched the good place, they are folks who think they're in heaven until they read they were tricked, and they're actually living in hell.

 

Could we be experiencing the same?

 

Some to.and for arguments. Please add some more arguments so we can find out...

 

As a human experiencer looking around you. Everything that is important seems to be controlled by evil entities. Money, medicine food, energy, the government...  and sure. If you play ball. You can get buy. Work 9-5 in an office job to pay of your mortgage debt for the rest of your life, maybe go to.spain once a year and drive a ford motor car. 

 

But if you want freedom, justice, peace like the really important things it is not really here........

 

One could point to the mass starvation of millions whilst the EU chuck away excess food, the constant obsession with war and destruction as further pointers to it being evil. 

 

Heck, even the ones fighting evil supposedly, religious folks. Majority of them could well be worshipping on a daily basis satan himself if Gnostic theory is to be believed.

 

I think if you were an alien and you visited here. And someone asked the question then they'd probably say, yeah, evil.....

 

 

The argument against.....

 

This place is an illusion. There is no such thing as good and evil, only human perspective makes it so. And because you are part of the illusion, if you don't like it, you can change it by changing yourself.....

 

 

What is it about the world you think people are living in hell?

[Mr H]

2 minutes ago, Lilymoon said:

What is it about the world you think people are living in hell?

Well I am a curious explorer and have an inquisitive mind. So I like to do mind experiments and see if there is any truth there. And see what we find from discussion.

 

I have found no actual evidence that we are living in hell or that a hell exists.

 

However, I did posit my hypothesis as to why a human experiencer may come to that conclusion (if you read my 1st post I go into more detail) and why it could be the case. Essentially, because the way the world is, is entrapment and enslavement for many, and horrific suffering. That to me paints a picture of a hell on earth. This place isn't much fun or fulfilling for most.... sadly...but we will change all that.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Today I saw ladybugs bullying a butterfly off a leaf they were mating on. Didn't feel like hell. Felt hilarious. If that's hell then bring it on

 

But seriously, I could go on forever about the beauty of this realm. It can be a furious but glorious beauty.

 

I have seen a thunderstorm in mid-autumn when the leaves had changed colors and were barely clinging to the branches when small hailstones rained down and struck the leaves creating a colorful downpour of leaves. In the city they worry about car windscreens.

 

The backdrop to this was loud thunder, a gold sky and lightning. Didn't look like hell at all. Felt like a most loving creator's creation.

 

Would hell have so many bird chants in the morning to wake us from our slumber? Sounds pretty luxurious for a hell

 

I think, speaking for myself, that beauty needs to be contemplated for us to be reminded of the magic of it all. Our divorce from basic interaction with our world has blurred this contemplation and replaced it with something that can appear hellish. 

 

Living remotely, I am, as most other residents nearby, constantly enveloped in a natural basic process and many are so caught up they don't see it. But I do and give thanks for it.

 

Even if I end up in a concentration camp those memories will be with me and I will share them with whomever is interested in knowing more about the things we stopped appreciating. 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2024 by Avoiceinthecrowd