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It became quite apparent to me somewhile ago that no thing, can ever make you happy. That is person, state of being, anything material. They always come and go, and if you attach happiness to it your happiness will similarly come and go. There is nothing here that leads to happiness.

 

The only place I have found happiness is in the knowing of my own being, and staying there as best I can. This knowing never changes and the peace which I term happiness is there waiting for you 24/7.

 

If I look outside everyone is spending their earthly time chasing happiness in objects.

 

Why do they do that?

 

I suggest one of the main reasons is dopamine. We constantly get a hit of this stuff when.you seemingly "achieve" something desirable or pleasurable and like any drug you need more of it over time, so the seeker will engage in more fruitless activity over time, never ever reaching their goal.

 

This cycle is a form of entrapment imo a never ending search for pleasure in a place it can never truly, everlasting be found. This distracts the human experiencer to do what imo the work they are here to.do which is the inner spiritual work and connect and acknowledge our true selves.

 

If such an entity exists, it sounds to me like the devil's work

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57 minutes ago, Mr H said:

It became quite apparent to me somewhile ago that no thing, can ever make you happy. That is person, state of being, anything material. They always come and go, and if you attach happiness to it your happiness will similarly come and go. There is nothing here that leads to happiness.

 

The only place I have found happiness is in the knowing of my own being, and staying there as best I can. This knowing never changes and the peace which I term happiness is there waiting for you 24/7.

 

That's very similar to the Buddhist view that 'life is unsatisfactory' and 'all conditioned phenomena are impermanent'. Therefore follow the eightfold path to the 'other shore' of the deathless realm. 

 

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

I suggest one of the main reasons is dopamine. We constantly get a hit of this stuff when.you seemingly "achieve" something desirable or pleasurable and like any drug you need more of it over time, so the seeker will engage in more fruitless activity over time, never ever reaching their goal.

 

This cycle is a form of entrapment imo a never ending search for pleasure in a place it can never truly, everlasting be found. This distracts the human experiencer to do what imo the work they are here to.do which is the inner spiritual work and connect and acknowledge our true selves.

 

If such an entity exists, it sounds to me like the devil's work

 

I guess it's the difference between unconditional happiness and just getting another fix of pleasure.  But do we need to invoke the devil to explain it? From the pov of evolution it doesn't seem to promote the 'selfish genes' to be fully contented with what we've already got. A bit of dissatisfaction is like a spur to get us to make an effort to improve things. 

Unless the selfish gene and the devil are both symbols for the same thing?  

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18 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

it doesn't matter how much you lock yourself away and deny yourself you still have to exist in this world of matter and that means pleasure and pain

Not suggesting nor have I, locked myself away or denied myself of anything.

 

It's just observable that no thing in the material world leads to ever lasting happiness.

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44 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

That's very similar to the Buddhist view that 'life is unsatisfactory' and 'all conditioned phenomena are impermanent'. Therefore follow the eightfold path to the 'other shore' of the deathless realm. 

 

 

I guess it's the difference between unconditional happiness and just getting another fix of pleasure.  But do we need to invoke the devil to explain it? From the pov of evolution it doesn't seem to promote the 'selfish genes' to be fully contented with what we've already got. A bit of dissatisfaction is like a spur to get us to make an effort to improve things. 

Unless the selfish gene and the devil are both symbols for the same thing?  

Yes you make fair point. Especially with the projections we have about satan. But there are certainly some type of force which seems to be determined to prevent human spiritual evolution - which we see manifest physically via folks like satan Klaus, and other things, one I'm suggesting is dopamine.

 

I don't know anything about selfish genes. But earth evolves, and we are part of earth so naturally humans which to evolve too. Nothing wrong with evolving but In my experience true evolution cannot be found in the material world. It's just an illusion and make of it as you will your playground or whatever you wish - but you won't find everlasting happiness there.

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1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Yes you make fair point. Especially with the projections we have about satan. But there are certainly some type of force which seems to be determined to prevent human spiritual evolution - which we see manifest physically via folks like satan Klaus, and other things, one I'm suggesting is dopamine.

 

I don't know anything about selfish genes. But earth evolves, and we are part of earth so naturally humans which to evolve too. Nothing wrong with evolving but In my experience true evolution cannot be found in the material world. It's just an illusion and make of it as you will your playground or whatever you wish - but you won't find everlasting happiness there.

Interesting mentioned dopamine , we seem  have receptors for other compounds too like serotonin and it's "similar " neighbours ,so I wonder why that is considering their profound effects and doors to new ways of seeing sometimes (if avoid programming etc) and these are in us naturally too.amazing ,so perhaps that is how we evolve perhaps?

Like idea of kundalini  energy too ,so much been perhaps lost over centuries of dominator cultures* but is still here in nature 

* Ie  idea that @5000 years ago we switched to dominator patriarchal society from earlier more holistic balance ( the chalice and the blade by Riane Eisler)

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Talorgan said:

Interesting mentioned dopamine , we seem  have receptors for other compounds too like serotonin and it's "similar " neighbours ,so I wonder why that is considering their profound effects and doors to new ways of seeing sometimes (if avoid programming etc) and these are in us naturally too.amazing ,so perhaps that is how we evolve perhaps?

Like idea of kundalini  energy too ,so much been perhaps lost over centuries of dominator cultures* but is still here in nature 

* Ie  idea that @5000 years ago we switched to dominator patriarchal society from earlier more holistic balance ( the chalice and the blade by Riane Eisler)

 

 

 

Yes we have many substances in us, including things like DMT. all serve some purpose.

 

But dopamine is literally like heroin. Highly addictive. It makes you take action often without thought first. We live in a dopamine crazed society where everyone dopamine are not at natural levels. So we see many curious and often destructive behaviours from humans as a result. And they can't help it. They are addicts......it puts humans down in large doses if directed and associated with the wrong things. If you associate and train yourself to link it to good behaviours, then it can be a force for good. But this is not the case in western culture 

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3 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yes we have many substances in us, including things like DMT. all serve some purpose.

 

But dopamine is literally like heroin. Highly addictive. It makes you take action often without thought first. We live in a dopamine crazed society where everyone dopamine are not at natural levels. So we see many curious and often destructive behaviours from humans as a result. And they can't help it. They are addicts......it puts humans down in large doses if directed and associated with the wrong things. If you associate and train yourself to link it to good behaviours, then it can be a force for good. But this is not the case in western culture 

I suppose the media doesn't help stimulating flight and flight responses in domestic settings ( different of course in dangerous war  zones)but constant bombardment of bad news and fear based news can perhaps increase this.

Also the idea that we have a collective or underlying post traumatic stress syndrome from past catastrophic earth changes as mentioned eg by Barbara Hand Clow ,

Graham Hancock etc might explain a lot of human history? 

Hence everyone rushes out to buy vast stores of toilet rolls 😀

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6 minutes ago, Talorgan said:

I suppose the media doesn't help stimulating flight and flight responses in domestic settings ( different of course in dangerous war  zones)but constant bombardment of bad news and fear based news can perhaps increase this.

Also the idea that we have a collective or underlying post traumatic stress syndrome from past catastrophic earth changes as mentioned eg by Barbara Hand Clow ,

Graham Hancock etc 

Hence everyone rushes out to buy vast stores of toilet rolls 😀

Yes. The reason why people watch a lot of TV, look at their phones, look at internet is dopamine addiction. I think almost any incessant behaviour is dopamine addiction related........ it's a beast that needs to be tamed and understood. 

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Yes could be this underlying past catastrophic event memory perhaps too which even might be driving the plans by new world order groups too.

So perhaps whole human race needs healing

 

Also I've noticed how programming via TV has an effect on brain wave patterns too.

So many years ago analogue TV when I grew up could put one into a trance state probably the flicker rate.

Now with high definition , everything clear even in distance ie no field of view ,plus speed of cutting from scene to scene vv quickly . possible to have brain wave , chemical change effect .

I don't have a TV and can't watch it much if at friends,it's ok if someone talking or slow scenes like walking etc

The adverts are the worst!

And who knows what can get embedded in the signal too

but I expect it has underlying effect on population And dopamine addiction 

Amongst other hectic stimulants like phones  traffic , types of sound ,light ,etc 

 

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20 hours ago, Mr H said:

Not suggesting nor have I, locked myself away or denied myself of anything.

 

It's just observable that no thing in the material world leads to ever lasting happiness.

 

certainly some of the original designers of facebook came out and admitted that they designed facebook to take us much of peoples attention as they could and they did this by creating it in a way that people would get a dopamine hit

 

But does that mean that dopamine is itself inherently evil or does it just mean that humans can be manipulated into their own enslavement if they are not wise to the game and how its played?

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26 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

certainly some of the original designers of facebook came out and admitted that they designed facebook to take us much of peoples attention as they could and they did this by creating it in a way that people would get a dopamine hit

 

But does that mean that dopamine is itself inherently evil or does it just mean that humans can be manipulated into their own enslavement if they are not wise to the game and how its played?

I would say more likely the case to be the latter.

 

Although if you believe the simulation theory and this is all evil by design then you maybe more pursuaded and choose the former......code to fixate our attention and make us addicts to useless stuffs....

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think its what we make of it

 

you can find beauty and horror here

 

the question is how are we going to approach that?

I'm not sure what you mean here Mac, as you referenced small part. Which was talking about simulation theory - not something I personally believe but it's a good analogy to describe experience. And I'm not convinced that this place is evil by design either, if that's what you mean, although it sure appears that way, but open to the possibility....

 

I agree with your first statements, it's all about perspective, and I personally practice and adhere to Wayne Dyers old adage, " change the way you look at things and the things you look at change" we, or I, have the power to do that as an alchemist.

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On 12/16/2023 at 6:04 PM, Mr H said:

It became quite apparent to me somewhile ago that no thing, can ever make you happy. That is person, state of being, anything material. They always come and go, and if you attach happiness to it your happiness will similarly come and go. There is nothing here that leads to happiness.

 

The only place I have found happiness is in the knowing of my own being, and staying there as best I can. This knowing never changes and the peace which I term happiness is there waiting for you 24/7.

 

If I look outside everyone is spending their earthly time chasing happiness in objects.

 

Why do they do that?

 

I suggest one of the main reasons is dopamine. We constantly get a hit of this stuff when.you seemingly "achieve" something desirable or pleasurable and like any drug you need more of it over time, so the seeker will engage in more fruitless activity over time, never ever reaching their goal.

 

This cycle is a form of entrapment imo a never ending search for pleasure in a place it can never truly, everlasting be found. This distracts the human experiencer to do what imo the work they are here to.do which is the inner spiritual work and connect and acknowledge our true selves.

 

If such an entity exists, it sounds to me like the devil's work

See- internet shopping. 
Dopamine builds then peaks on purchase of a product, then bubbles away at a moderate level before delivery, where it peaks once more at the point of product delivery. It then disappears after a day or two, leaving the victim, er I mean shopper, craving another ‘hit’.

 

Same with bad relationships. I know someone who is chemically addicted to breaking up with new partners. His dopamine hit peaks when he dumps them, like a massive relief/release, although soon he’s craving another hit. 
 

 

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32 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

See- internet shopping. 
Dopamine builds then peaks on purchase of a product, then bubbles away at a moderate level before delivery, where it peaks once more at the point of product delivery. It then disappears after a day or two, leaving the victim, er I mean shopper, craving another ‘hit’.

 

Same with bad relationships. I know someone who is chemically addicted to breaking up with new partners. His dopamine hit peaks when he dumps them, like a massive relief/release, although soon he’s craving another hit. 
 

 

Yip. Same they do with social media, porn pretty much all activity that renders humans a bit useless.....

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GOD can get you high, without drugs or external substances, more than you can handle probably(maybe not). When I asked to have my ego removed I received what I can only describe as the most intense "dopamine" rush cascading from the top of my head downward throughout my body, all the time I'm just sitting there going out loud ; "Oh my GOD-oh my GOD-OH MY GOD!!!..",  I stopped it...now I just get littler doses. LOVE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. 

Love GOD(LOVE) with all your heart , mind, and Being, and love your brothers and sisters as you love yourself. And we can remember. In spite of and irregardless of illusions that are generated to refute The Truth.

LOVE  IS THE PRIMAL ETERNAL ALL-ENCOMPASSING SPIRIT OF LIFE BEING ALIVE.

 

Otherwise...moderation is key to everything else!

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1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Yip. Same they do with social media, porn pretty much all activity that renders humans a bit useless.....

Porn is probably the ultimate dopamine generator. That and ‘the big’ drugs (coke, heroin).


Some people get a dopamine hit just from going to see their dealer, the drugs are a secondary factor. 
 

I reckon a healthy relationship with dopamine could be created by something similar to what you said, the reward pathways should be developed in nature, by knowing yourself and by making something out of nothing (art, music, any type of creativity, observing the natural world) 

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6 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Porn is probably the ultimate dopamine generator. That and ‘the big’ drugs (coke, heroin).


Some people get a dopamine hit just from going to see their dealer, the drugs are a secondary factor. 
 

I reckon a healthy relationship with dopamine could be created by something similar to what you said, the reward pathways should be developed in nature, by knowing yourself and by making something out of nothing (art, music, any type of creativity, observing the natural world) 

Yeah I think the ol' saying helps. Delay that gratification!

 

A lot of these modern day activity makes it worse. Because they are like micro activities. Scrolling through social media, clicking on porn. And each micro activity is rewarded, each click, each image, not normal way dopamine should work certainly not healthy to get that much of the stuff imo

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Dopamine isn't evil in itself, however society and the world around us is almost unrecognisable than it was in say the 60's/70's.

 

Everything is instant nowadays. Gratification on-demand. Fast food, shopping on your phone with a few clicks, porn on subscription in your living room, someone sending instant real-time "likes" to a photo you post...the ways in which we get a "hit" are everywhere.

 

I don't think it is so much with the dopamine, more so to do with what we do as a society now for satisfaction.

 

Feeding the birds in the park, walking on the beach, gardening, going to the gym have been replaced with things which can be harmful not only for our minds and mental health but our financial, spiritual and emotional lives.

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I have had problems with asceticism before and it can cause just as many problems for a person as hedonism. Ascetcism, particularly amongst new agers, is very often a mask for self-hate. 

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13 hours ago, Ethel said:

I have had problems with asceticism before and it can cause just as many problems for a person as hedonism. Ascetcism, particularly amongst new agers, is very often a mask for self-hate. 

I agree. I see a lot of masks put on by the New-Age crowd and I don't see some as being particularly authentic.

 

As for self-indulgences etc...I don't see things like Facebook et al necessarily being "of the devil" or that type of thing, however I do see the need for balance and moderation in people's lives.

 

I couldn't spend all day glued to my phone or swiping or liking people's photos like so many do.

 

Those in charge have done a good job of detaching us from nature and human interaction.

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I do keep hearing a lot about new age folk on here , so would be interested to hear people's definitions of new agers?

 

What do you folks mean when you say new ager?

 

 

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I guess I should provide my definition so you know what I mean when I write it.

 

New age = not old age. So nothing to do with oneness which comes from the oldest traditions and little to do with self realization and bringing that into the world.

 

New age spiritualists are folks like Mr Dizpenza and law of attraction folks. Who miss out the important teachings of the old age, are essentially teaching seemingly egoic minds, how to manifest whatever they want, do/experience what they want - which just perpetuates the ego imo.

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4 hours ago, Mr H said:

I guess I should provide my definition so you know what I mean when I write it.

 

New age = not old age. So nothing to do with oneness which comes from the oldest traditions and little to do with self realization and bringing that into the world.

 

New age spiritualists are folks like Mr Dizpenza and law of attraction folks. Who miss out the important teachings of the old age, are essentially teaching seemingly egoic minds, how to manifest whatever they want, do/experience what they want - which just perpetuates the ego imo.

 

There is an astronomical basis to it, called precession of the equinoxes or axial precession which is caused by a wobble in the Earth's rotation lasting about 25,771 years. It causes true north to appear to move round the night sky, so the pole star Polaris won't always be north. The equinoxes also appear to move through the zodiac constellations, which is where it becomes spiritual, via astrology. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession

 

25,771 / 12 = 2,148 years per star sign and we are currently at the transition from pisces to aquarius, if you do the maths you can calculate the  date although there isn't agreement on when. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius

The Campion mentioned in that wiki isn't me btw! 

 

But then the idea of new age has been taken up into a much broader kind of pick and mix spirituality for anyone who doesn't want to be constrained by a mainstream religion. There were some seminal writers though such as Annie Besant of the Theosophical Society, Alice Bailey and the Lucifer Trust, and  Marilyn Trevelyan's Aquarian Conspiracy. Nowadays imo the movement is a spiritual free for all with anyone setting themselves up as a master or guru, so it's like a free market religious model which is probably inevitable in a society with religious freedom. 

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