Genesis Serpent

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

yes i think you SHOULD do an analysis of that. perhaps you could dedicate a thread to it 

 

Ok lets look - 

 

Fraud Exposed
In 1921, the London Times presented conclusive proof that the Protocols was a "clumsy plagiarism." The Times confirmed that the Protocols had been copied in large part from a French political satire that never mentioned Jews—Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864). Other investigations revealed that one chapter of a Prussian novel, Hermann Goedsche's Biarritz (1868), also "inspired" the Protocols.

 

 

So my scholarly analysis is - considering the protocols were lifted directly from a French novel that has nothing to do with the Jews, in other words the origin of the fraud is an imaginative debate written in novel form, its a fraud and any similarity to real events is a coincidence.

 

Either that or there is a secret society in France known to the novelists who list their plans for world domination in the novel.

 

Its not the Jews, its the French Novelists'. Prove me wrong, a French novelist was responsible for the Protocols that are coming true. They originated it, ergo, they are the perpetrators. 

 

There, done.

 

Didn't need its own thread.

 

Just so everyone knows, I think the Protocols is a huge fraud, based on fantasy and born from hate.

 

There is no secret society of French novelist's responsible for the world conspiracy. Its a fictional novel.

 

There are other novels that also have closely followed history - 1984 being one of them

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

Ok lets look -

 

yes lets.....

 

it should say 'sabbatean' not 'jewish' but otherwise:

 

[pi3141]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

it should say 'sabbatean' not 'jewish' but otherwise:

 

So the Sabbatean's are NOT Jewish?

[Macnamara]

Just now, pi3141 said:

 

So the Sabbatean's are NOT Jewish?

 

they are a heretical sect who were often outed by jewish people at various points in history:

 

''Antelman explains how the Sabbatean-Frankist apostate cult sprang from a Jewish community within the Ottoman Empire during the 1600s and it quickly spread to Eastern Europe. The fundamental principle of the Sabbatean-Frankists was/is(?) the belief that the Messiah would return either when all people had become good or when all people had become bad. It was the reasoning of the Sabbateans that it would be easier to hasten the arrival of the Messiah by pursuing the dark path, so they set about inverting the the practices of their own faith, with the ostensible purpose of precipitating the return of the Messiah.

Their leader, Shabbatai Zevi (aka Tzvi), born in Izmir, Turkey (the city formerly known as Smyrna) was believed to be the Messiah by his followers and he became so influential that the Ottoman sultan forced Zevi to convert to Islam.

According to Canadian-Jewish author, Henry Makow, “After his ‘conversion,’ over a million followers, who later included financiers like the Rothschilds, imitated his example. But they didn’t just pretend to be Muslims or Christians. They pretended to be Jews as well. They were the forebears of the Illuminati and Communism.”

“Communist defector Bella Dodd revealed that during the 1930’s the Communist Party had 1,100 members join the Catholic Priesthood. They became Bishops, Cardinals and Popes. [Remember, according to Makow, Communism is an invention of the Sabbateans].

“By adopting this chameleon strategy, this Satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention. In the words of the gifted Jewish researcher Clifford Shack, ‘Through infiltration, stealth and cunning, this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Zevi’s death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry… [Zevi’s successor] Jacob Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry known as the Illuminati, formed in 1776. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the [American, French and Russian] revolutions, the creations of the UN and Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.’”

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/rabbi-marvin-antelman-on-the-sabbatean-frankists/

 

[Macnamara]

22 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

There, done.

 

Didn't need its own thread.

 

oh no if you are to establish whether or not they are coming true you will have to take it point by point.....

 

come on, don't be afraid now. What are afraid of? you happily bash christianity.....so why are you so afraid to look into sabbateanism?

 

surely nothing bad can befall you if they have no power and influence?

 

i'm sure you couldn't lose your job or fall foul of the law for saying the wrong thing...i mean you have bashed christianity and nothing has happened so surely the same is true with this.....you are unafraid of being called 'anti-christian' so surely you are not afraid of being called an 'anti-semite' as they are not the power behind anything and therefore cannot hurt you....

Edited January 3, 2024 by Macnamara

[pi3141]

8 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

they are a heretical sect who were often outed by jewish people at various points in history:

 

''Antelman explains how the Sabbatean-Frankist apostate cult sprang from a Jewish community within the Ottoman Empire during the 1600s and it quickly spread to Eastern Europe. The fundamental principle of the Sabbatean-Frankists was/is(?) the belief that the Messiah would return either when all people had become good or when all people had become bad. It was the reasoning of the Sabbateans that it would be easier to hasten the arrival of the Messiah by pursuing the dark path, so they set about inverting the the practices of their own faith, with the ostensible purpose of precipitating the return of the Messiah.

Their leader, Shabbatai Zevi (aka Tzvi), born in Izmir, Turkey (the city formerly known as Smyrna) was believed to be the Messiah by his followers and he became so influential that the Ottoman sultan forced Zevi to convert to Islam.

According to Canadian-Jewish author, Henry Makow, “After his ‘conversion,’ over a million followers, who later included financiers like the Rothschilds, imitated his example. But they didn’t just pretend to be Muslims or Christians. They pretended to be Jews as well. They were the forebears of the Illuminati and Communism.”

“Communist defector Bella Dodd revealed that during the 1930’s the Communist Party had 1,100 members join the Catholic Priesthood. They became Bishops, Cardinals and Popes. [Remember, according to Makow, Communism is an invention of the Sabbateans].

“By adopting this chameleon strategy, this Satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention. In the words of the gifted Jewish researcher Clifford Shack, ‘Through infiltration, stealth and cunning, this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Zevi’s death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry… [Zevi’s successor] Jacob Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry known as the Illuminati, formed in 1776. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the [American, French and Russian] revolutions, the creations of the UN and Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.’”

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/rabbi-marvin-antelman-on-the-sabbatean-frankists/

 

 

 

So they are Jews, in fact, they are Crypto-Crypto-Jews. Because we have Crypto Jews masquerading as Christians and now we have Crypto-Crypto Jews who masquerade as Jews or Christian but are actually Sabbatean.

 

That are really Satanic.

 

Well, your telling a man who doesn't believe in Satan that a group of apparently informed mystics worship a deity that doesn't exist.

 

 

[pi3141]

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

surely you are not afraid of being called an 'anti-semite' as they are not the power behind anything and therefore cannot hurt you....

 

Exactly. So why would I be 'Anti-Semite' if I believe they can't hurt me or that there is a Crypto-Jewish-Sabbatean conspiracy?

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

So they are Jews, in fact, they are Crypto-Crypto-Jews. Because we have Crypto Jews masquerading as Christians and now we have Crypto-Crypto Jews who masquerade as Jews or Christian but are actually Sabbatean.

 

That are really Satanic.

 

Well, your telling a man who doesn't believe in Satan that a group of apparently informed mystics worship a deity that doesn't exist.

 

you love throwing up strawmen don't you? who said anything about satan?

 

i said they are kabbalists so if we are to understand why they pursue a doctrine of 'holiness through sin' we must understand their belief system

Edited January 3, 2024 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Exactly. So why would I be 'Anti-Semite' if I believe they can't hurt me or that there is a Crypto-Jewish-Sabbatean conspiracy?

 

then take courage....don't tremble like a little coward

 

come on...you're so tough when you bash christianity

Edited January 3, 2024 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

but hold on charles....aren't you supposed to be a christian king? Then why aren't you trying to combat anti-christianism? why are you not bothered about that?

 

why are you not building a memorial to the million russian christians murdered by the sabbatean bolsheviks after 1917? Do their lives not matter?

In 1st King’s Speech in 70 years, Charles says UK to address security matters, tackle antisemitism

By Lazar Berman 7 November 2023, 2:51 pm

In the UK’s first King’s Speech to open parliament in over 70 years, King Charles says the government will address the most pressing security matters, including “the consequences of the barbaric acts of terrorism against the people of Israel, facilitating humanitarian support into Gaza and supporting the cause of peace and stability in the Middle East.”

He also says the UK government is “committed to tackling antisemitism.”

The king promises planning for the Holocaust Memorial and Learning Centre in Victoria Tower Gardens will be moved through parliament.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-1st-kings-speech-in-70-years-charles-says-uk-to-address-security-matters-tackle-antisemitism/

Edited January 3, 2024 by Macnamara

[pi3141]

18 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

you love throwing up strawmen don't you? who said anything about satan?

 

35 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

“By adopting this chameleon strategy, this Satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention. In the words of the gifted Jewish researcher Clifford Shack, ‘Through infiltration, stealth and cunning, this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Zevi’s death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry… [Zevi’s successor] Jacob Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry known as the Illuminati, formed in 1776. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the [American, French and Russian] revolutions, the creations of the UN and Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.’”

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/rabbi-marvin-antelman-on-the-sabbatean-frankists/

 

 

 

Why do I have to keep correcting you?

 

This is getting tiresome, if you post information, stand by it.

 

Unless you know its crap, then recant it.

 

18 minutes between your two posts and you forgot you had posted about Satan.

 

Hmmm. What does that tell me about you.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2024 by pi3141

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

Why do I have to keep correcting you?

 

This is getting tiresome, if you post information, stand by it.

 

Unless you know its crap, then recant it.

 

Edit - 18 minutes between your two posts and you forgot you had posted about Satan.

 

Hmmm

 

what's getting tiresome is your complete ignorance of the vast amount of information that has been put out on this forum that shows there is clearly a kabbalistic cult behind the conspiracy

[pi3141]

4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

what's getting tiresome is your complete ignorance of the vast amount of information that has been put out on this forum that shows there is clearly a kabbalistic cult behind the conspiracy

 

And I'm getting tired of your contradictions and deflections when you are shown to be in error.

 

You said 'who said anything about Satan' 

 

I showed you that 18 mins beforehand YOU referenced material that claimed it was Satanic.

 

Then you ignore the point and deflect with your above comments.

 

Its tiresome Mac. 

[Macnamara]

Just now, pi3141 said:

 

And I'm getting tired of your contradictions and deflections when you are shown to be in error.

 

You said 'who said anything about Satan' 

 

I showed you that 18 mins beforehand YOU referenced material that claimed it was Satanic.

 

Then you ignore the point and deflect with your above comments.

 

Its tiresome Mac. 

 

i quoted someone else who said that about satan....it's a trivial point

 

what is not a trivial point is the nature of the conspiracy which this forum was created to investigate

[pi3141]

9 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i quoted someone else who said that about satan....it's a trivial point

 

what is not a trivial point is the nature of the conspiracy which this forum was created to investigate

 

No it is not trivial.

 

You post about the Protocols, but then say its not the Jews.

 

You post about a Satanic cabal, but then say you didn't mention Satan.

 

Don't you see, if you can't even get your story straight, I'm not going to pay it much attention.

 

 

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

No it is not trivial.

 

You post about the Protocols, but then say its not the Jews.

 

You post about a Satanic cabal, but then say you didn't mention Satan.

 

Don't you see, if you can't even get your story straight, I'm not going to pay it much attention.

 

i'm not going to waste my time on a debate on the protocols. I didn't even bring them up in this thread, you did. But if you are an honest seeker of the truth then you would have no problem looking through them to see if they are coming true. But that is down to you and your degree of character

 

As for the satanism issue, i have spoken a fair bit about mark passio's perspective on that which you should know because i have quoted the four tenets he mentions to you in other threads

 

In this thread however the person i quoted mentioned satan but the purpose of that quote was relating to sabbateanism. Whether you want to call sabbateanism satanism is a whole side issue. The front and centre issue i was talking about is how they are lurianic kabbalists

 

It's you that keeps going off on these side issues as if you are trying to deflect away from the key central thing i'm saying. why is it so uncomfortable for you?

Edited January 3, 2024 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

here is a perspective from chabad, who are lurianic kabbalists, on the serpent:

Sovereignty and the Serpent

G-d's transcendence over nature was seen when Aaron's staff swallowed the Egyptian staffs.

This is as the verse states: Thus says the Lord G‑d, "I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great serpent that crouches in its rivers and says, 'Mine is my river, and I have created myself'" (Isaiah 29:3). Technically, the "great serpent" here alludes to Arich Anpin of kelipa - the very highest level of the impure husks that obscure the G‑dliness which permeates the world. It is from this level that Pharaoh was nourished, and this is why G‑d wanted to strike him with Aaron's rod - to show that even a simple stick from the ordinary physical world could overpower the highest level of spiritual contamination - Arich Anpin of kelipa when this is G‑d's will. It is interesting to note that the Pharaohs of Egypt wore headdresses featuring a uraeus - a cobra in attack position, such as that depicted on the gold mask of Tutankhamun.

Now [when Pharaoh's sorcerers saw that Aaron's staff had turned into a serpent] they were delighted, for they possessed the knowledge of the serpent [i.e. the knowledge of the occult and black magic in which they were experts]. But when the serpent that Aaron's staff had become suddenly turned back into dry wood which then swallowed them [the sorcerers' staffs], they were startled, for they realized that there is a supernal power upon earth. [Until that moment] they believed that no other force had control [of the physical realm] other than themselves [and their occult powers].

This was the purpose of this sign, as the verse states, "And Egypt shall know that I am G‑d." (Ex. 7:5)

Then "the staff of Aaron swallowed their staffs". The staff of Aaron is stated specifically. It swallowed them when it turned back into wood.

Had Aaron's serpent swallowed the others, it could have been explained as a superior knowledge of occult powers. However, when a dry stick swallowed other dry sticks, this demonstrated that occult powers were not involved. Instead G‑d's ability to override the laws of nature and the physical world became revealed.

[Zohar II, p. 28a; based on Ohr Yakar; translation and commentary by Moshe Miller]

https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/621296/jewish/Sovereignty-and-the-Serpent.htm

 

[Macnamara]

''In Kabbalah, Satan is said to represent the physical universe. ''

The Mystical Garden of Eden

November 7, 2010

A woman teacher once said to me, "The story of Adam and Eve is perhaps the most obvious instance in the entire Torah in which the relationship between male and female has been contaminated by absurd implications. Any assumption that Adam and Eve represent a relationship of gender as the first man and woman of creation is ludicrous. Rather, the mystics treat these--and all major biblical characters--as divine principles. Adam and Eve represent the principle of duality, each a polar opposite of the other." 

One of the ways Eastern tradition discusses polarity of this type is through the image of yin and yang. In exactly the same way, the language of Adam and Eve is of expansion and contraction, outward and inward, light and dark, hard and soft. Neither is better than the other; both are required for balance and harmony.

In addition to the duality of Adam and Eve, a third element is required for creation. This is the serpent, which represents a force of fragmentation.

One of the most ancient midrashic texts, written by Rabbi Eliezer, suggests that the serpent who seduced Eve had the appearance of a camel.

 Most people have never heard this idea. The Jewish oral tradition goes on to say that the angel Samael, otherwise known as Satan, rode this camel. Many say that the serpent itself was Satan.

 

When Rabbi Eliezer says that the serpent represented a camel, he is alluding to the number three. The word camel in Hebrew is gamal, which is the same as word as the Hebrew letter gimel.

 Gimel in the Hebrew alphabet represents the number three. Mathematically, the number three is necessary for the physical world--which is three dimensional--composed of three lines of direction: north-south, east-west, and up-down.

 

In Kabbalah, Satan is said to represent the physical universe. Indeed, the universe as we know it is referred to in mystical writings as "the skin of the serpent." In the mystical cosmology of the Garden of Eden, the archetype of the serpent merges with the life-force, which is the form and substance of life is represented by Adam and Eve. Once the serpent is able to merge with this life force, the mystical formula is complete for the metaphysics of creation.

  

Indeed, the kabbalistic teaching is that Satan, the force of fragmentation, is the crucial element required for creation, because without it everything would unite with God--everything would become one. This does not mean that the splintering force of Satan is separate from the unity of God, but, paradoxically, that it is contained within the oneness of the Divine. 

In this kabbalistic approach, we clearly see that the story of the Garden of Eden is a cosmology that far transcends the more commonly accepted versions. Obviously, a new perception of the Western creation story would dramatically affect not only our image of Adam, Eve and the serpent, it would permeate our collective consciousness in a way that could profoundly impact on the way we view ourselves as human beings, how we relate to each other, and how we relate to God.

https://www.rabbidavidcooper.com/cooper-print-index/2010/11/7/2364-the-mystical-garden-of-eden.html

[Macnamara]

6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 Gimel in the Hebrew alphabet represents the number three. Mathematically, the number three is necessary for the physical world--which is three dimensional--composed of three lines of direction: north-south, east-west, and up-down.

 

The esteemed Cistercian monk and patron of the Knights Templar, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, once wrote, “What is God? Length and Breadth and Height and Depth”

https://www.occatholic.com/what-is-god/

[Macnamara]

On 1/1/2024 at 5:20 PM, Macnamara said:

no that is not a christian crowning a christian. That is a knights templar bloodline fake-christian crowning a freemason that is pretending to the british people to be a christian.

Italian Priest Excommunicated After Calling Pope Francis “Anti-Pope Usurper”

January 3, 2024 5:37 pm by CWR

Father Ramon Guidetti’s speech to the congregation at St Ranieri church in Guasticce, a hamlet in the Tuscan province of Livorno, was a tribute marking the first anniversary of the death of Francis’s predecessor Benedict XVI.

In a video of the homily, which lasted more than 20 minutes and was shared online, Guidetti refers to the Argentinian pontiff – whose former name is Jorge Mario Bergoglio – as simply “Mr Bergoglio”, before describing him as “a Jesuit Freemason linked to world powers, an anti-pope usurper”.

https://citizenwatchreport.com/italian-priest-excommunicated-after-calling-pope-francis-anti-pope-usurper/

[Wayfaring Stranger]

I'll read some of the thread while I'm waiting for this post to show up. The link is to a 6-page article I wrote for myself. I will post a few lines from the start to show if you have read it before or not:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZQzjVfucVH0aa0B8H0LMdVNEC8b5xyKu/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=106620303941830262982&rtpof=true&sd=true

 

Ge:3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isa:53:9-12:
And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul,
and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he hath poured out his soul unto death:
and he was numbered with the transgressors;
and he bare the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Joh:19:30:
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
he said,
It is finished:
and he bowed his head,
and gave up the ghost.

The division between the Scripture about the two bruises is found in Acts:10. The unclean food being made clean was the last act God did that was specifically to the 12 Tribes. Peter went with Gentiles and taught them about the kingdom of god in the form that we have that comes after that specific chapter. Paul had the very same messages for gentiles while the Apostles preached in Jerusalem until 70AD and then they also headed towards Rome as that was the first nation to receive the whole NT and having Jews who were already familiar with the OT.

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