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11 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Others might call it magic, all these names are true. 

 

Magic is nothing more than an equation which is yet to be discovered by science.

You go back in time with your iphone and show people your downloaded video. They'd think it's some kind of sorcery that you put these people inside of your phone. lol

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9 hours ago, DaleP said:

Magic is nothing more than an equation which is yet to be discovered by science.

You go back in time with your iphone and show people your downloaded video. They'd think it's some kind of sorcery that you put these people inside of your phone. lol

 

Ok it would. I was thinking in terms of religion, like a communion service, as a magical ritual. 

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8 minutes ago, DaleP said:

So basically, remove your ego because ego separates us from oneness.

 

I think I see what you're getting at but it's hard to describe isn't it? 

 

"Remove your ego" - who removes it? 

 

"ego separates us from oneness" - that means there's three things: ego, us and oneness. 

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8 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

I think I see what you're getting at but it's hard to describe isn't it? 

 

"Remove your ego" - who removes it? 

 

"ego separates us from oneness" - that means there's three things: ego, us and oneness. 

Who removes your ego? YOU.

This means you have to practice keen observation, self-reflection and willingness to go through it.

 

There has only been one. Everything else was illusory.

This video makes sense to me.

You are probably familiar of 'As within, So without'. What you think becomes your reality.

So if we think that we are limited, you will have limited life experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S39IpOz_JIY

 

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Was just thinking today about simulation theory and chat about AI.

 

So if this place is a simulation made by evil folks. Then that implies everything was built by them. Which implies they can control the simulation already...

 

So why this talk of AI reading our minds and controlling us? If we are already in some sort of evil simulation, everything like this would already be controlled by the designer. No need for AI, or to read minds, or control people in an already controlled environment.....

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5 hours ago, Mr H said:

Was just thinking today about simulation theory and chat about AI.

 

So if this place is a simulation made by evil folks. Then that implies everything was built by them. Which implies they can control the simulation already...

 

So why this talk of AI reading our minds and controlling us? If we are already in some sort of evil simulation, everything like this would already be controlled by the designer. No need for AI, or to read minds, or control people in an already controlled environment.....

Or perhaps it is cause and effect which runs the world and those who think they control it are deluded as ultimately reality is beyond such manipulative schemes?

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35 minutes ago, Talorgan said:

Or perhaps it is cause and effect which runs the world and those who think they control it are deluded as ultimately reality is beyond such manipulative schemes?

In my experience there is no cause ultimately. And we assign causes to make sense of things and our seeming minds are constructed in a way to view things in time and therefore apparent cause and effect. Which then creates the seeming story of the "me" character 

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52 minutes ago, Mr H said:

In my experience there is no cause ultimately. And we assign causes to make sense of things and our seeming minds are constructed in a way to view things in time and therefore apparent cause and effect. Which then creates the seeming story of the "me" character 

Perhaps cause in terms of  choices based on perception which leads to effects as described in Tibetan Book of the dead?

Eg the dead  if not reaching nirvana re-entering a  new body  based on thought or attachment/ affinities resonance 

Although I wonder how much experience they had to reach their  descriptions, perhaps psychic knowledge ESP  or divination ,

Likewise with shaman experiences the entities might be benevolent or tricksters too.

But even if there is a  simulation which I'm not sure  or perhaps Maya 

then behind that is cause and effect ? 

As whoever conjured it up was intending something?

Or if not then still each thought ,action has an effect on all levels?

 

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10 hours ago, Mr H said:

Was just thinking today about simulation theory and chat about AI.

 

So if this place is a simulation made by evil folks. Then that implies everything was built by them. Which implies they can control the simulation already...

 

So why this talk of AI reading our minds and controlling us? If we are already in some sort of evil simulation, everything like this would already be controlled by the designer. No need for AI, or to read minds, or control people in an already controlled environment.....

 

People use words like 'simulation' and 'matrix' quite loosely these days without really explaining it. Does it mean that the real 'me' is actually imprisoned somewhere within a 5-sense virtual reality bodysuit which has entirely dictated my perception since birth? In that case, everyone else in my world is a computer simulation including this forum that's telling me I'm in a simulation! That's like a virtual solipsism 😮 

 

On the other hand, if you other folks out there are real and the simulation is only partial, there's more hope. Perhaps this world and all its people is physically real but our beliefs are heavily manipulated so that it's our 'world view' which is the simulation. 

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12 hours ago, Talorgan said:

Perhaps cause in terms of  choices based on perception which leads to effects as described in Tibetan Book of the dead?

Eg the dead  if not reaching nirvana re-entering a  new body  based on thought or attachment/ affinities resonance 

Although I wonder how much experience they had to reach their  descriptions, perhaps psychic knowledge ESP  or divination ,

Likewise with shaman experiences the entities might be benevolent or tricksters too.

But even if there is a  simulation which I'm not sure  or perhaps Maya 

then behind that is cause and effect ? 

As whoever conjured it up was intending something?

Or if not then still each thought ,action has an effect on all levels?

 

Yes I see what you're saying.

 

From experience speaking at the ultimate level so to speak 

 

There are no such things as entities. There are seeming entities.

 

These seeming entities cannot produce thoughts or feelings - the apparent driver of causation. Thoughts feelings are seemingly separate things that flow through seeming entities who then claim to have caused it. 

 

How and where do these causations come from, i.e. where do thoughts and feeling come from? Cannot be sure. I think a number of places and environments but there is no one behind it planning, it just happens....

 

Best way I conceptualize it. Everything is like a human body. We're like cells. No one saying heart beat please, nose breath please, it just happens like a symphony....

 

How I kinda see it...

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7 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yes I see what you're saying.

 

From experience speaking at the ultimate level so to speak 

 

There are no such things as entities. There are seeming entities.

 

These seeming entities cannot produce thoughts or feelings - the apparent driver of causation. Thoughts feelings are seemingly separate things that flow through seeming entities who then claim to have caused it. 

 

How and where do these causations come from, i.e. where do thoughts and feeling come from? Cannot be sure. I think a number of places and environments but there is no one behind it planning, it just happens....

 

Best way I conceptualize it. Everything is like a human body. We're like cells. No one saying heart beat please, nose breath please, it just happens like a symphony....

 

How I kinda see it...

 

Interesting, and I'm out of likes.  If there's no entities, then everything is an absolute oneness and there's no room for relationships. But as soon as We create a boundary or distinction, we simultaneously create the relationships and connections between the parts. Parts + relationships = process.  Then you can carry on with the reductionist dividing and splitting up, "creating" an ever more detailed network of processes, as with the metaphor of Indra's Net. I'm not sure if there's a limit to this, scientists haven't yet found the ultimate indivisible building blocks of reality so it's possible to say that it's 'process all the way down'. 

 

Do you believe in the existence of the subconscious or unconscious mind? That's one explanation of where thoughts and feelings come from. That what we call the consciousness is only a fragment of the total mind which is much vaster. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

Interesting, and I'm out of likes.  If there's no entities, then everything is an absolute oneness and there's no room for relationships. But as soon as We create a boundary or distinction, we simultaneously create the relationships and connections between the parts. Parts + relationships = process.  Then you can carry on with the reductionist dividing and splitting up, "creating" an ever more detailed network of processes, as with the metaphor of Indra's Net. I'm not sure if there's a limit to this, scientists haven't yet found the ultimate indivisible building blocks of reality so it's possible to say that it's 'process all the way down'. 

 

Do you believe in the existence of the subconscious or unconscious mind? That's one explanation of where thoughts and feelings come from. That what we call the consciousness is only a fragment of the total mind which is much vaster. 

 

I think there is room for relationship in one ess.

 

If I bring back the human body analogy...

 

We can see the human body is one entity, but it is made up of different functioning parts that have relationship so the whole can function. We don't split our body in to different entities, heart lungs, similarly there is no need to separate existence in this way - the main reason we do is because of language and culture.

 

I don't think anyone has found a subconscious mind. I think it's a way to describe unconscious thoughts not known to the conscious mind.

 

My own experience so far where thoughts and feelings come from, conditioning and memory, environment, culture, other thought and feeling waves flowing through the ether, past generations, desire, DNA probably a few other places. And I think they interact with other thought and feeling forms like a mathematical function does to produce the "the next thing" to exist. But could be way off target in that....

 

Edit. I.e. there's no one deciding the next thought. As an example thought form no1 which may be positive thoughts form, may simply merge and look for another like thought form, which then produces a new thought. Which then travels through "someone" with similar vibration and seemingly they then have a new thought.

 

Just one example of how I see it working although not limited to laws of attraction was the easiest example to provide 

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Something to contemplate or meditate on is the idea that there is something that has always been, something that has no beginning, it's just always been, there is no end to it, time has no meaning, there isn't even any "space", there's just this "thing", this "something", that IS always. 

 

For me it kind of seems like I'm "going back" in time, like I'm trying to find the "beginning" of IT, so I just keep "going back", it's like a automatic thing to do, that I picked up from this "experience" in this "world", it seems mostly incomprehensible that there can be something that ALWAYS IS. People can say it, they can even believe it... but if you "go back' far enough, you can begin to know it. 

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1 hour ago, Campion said:

 

If there's no entities, then everything is an absolute oneness and there's no room for relationships.

 

Don't worry, there is something that exists. I saw three embodiments that are completely unknown stages of development. I am not talking about the familiar shapes it takes, which correspond to the types that humans have perceived here. Insects, humanoid. I'm talking about something that doesn't exist in any movie, or in visual representations. Not even in cave drawings. And I didn't exactly feel superior to them. Rather borderline inferior. And that's not the end of it, it can also embody something that has nothing to do with human existence and is beyond comprehension. It wanted me to see it and I know what is waiting for me. We are not one. 

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8 hours ago, Mr H said:

We can see the human body is one entity, but it is made up of different functioning parts that have relationship so the whole can function. We don't split our body in to different entities, heart lungs, similarly there is no need to separate existence in this way - the main reason we do is because of language and culture.

 

In our modern scientific reductionism we do divide up the body into parts, in perhaps the same way as an engineer divides up an inorganic object into parts like a car. We have doctors who specialise in hearts, lungs, brains, bones etc. Because the total amount of medical knowledge is too much for a single person to know it all; when your GP reaches the limits of their ability they refer you to a specialist. 

 

What you're speaking of with wholes divided into parts which are themselves wholes reminds me of Arthur_Koestler's_Holons a useful concept. I agree a human body is an entity, but so is a kidney. Neither entity can exist without its particular environment - humans exist on our planet with all our social and environmental relationships like families, societies, food, air, water etc. 

 

8 hours ago, Mr H said:

I don't think anyone has found a subconscious mind. I think it's a way to describe unconscious thoughts not known to the conscious mind.

 

We know the brain has many functions we aren't aware of like how it controls hormones, heart rate, breathing etc. I suggest that thoughts originate as energetic processes which can move across from an unaware area like the brain stem to an aware area like the neo-cortex. But it's just a theory. There's no 'I' apart from what's called the executive function. 

 

Edit. Another example of unconscious mind is memory. We hold a vast amount of memories, knowledge and learning which is hidden untill we 'remember' or 'recall' it into conscious awareness when we need it. It would be hopeless to be aware of all our memories all the time! A bit like a computer calling up information from backing memory into the processor RAM as required. Thought is essentially a string of language and imagery pulled up from the subconscious memory into conscious awareness. But there must be some process choosing which words and images to string together. 

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@Campionawesome post.

 

Just to add about memory. I don't think we hold vast amounts of memory. As far as I'm aware no one has ever found a memory in a brain. I believe it exists "out there somewhere"

 

It is my belief that memory is a function all by itself. It records everything. We are a vessel of particular recall of memory. Much like thoughts flow through us so do memories if triggered by a particular function.

 

To conceptualize what I'm trying to say. If we say there are entities, then I'm saying thoughts, feelings, memories are there own entities. These flow through us and are determined by xyz occuring....

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7 hours ago, Mr H said:

Just to add about memory. I don't think we hold vast amounts of memory. As far as I'm aware no one has ever found a memory in a brain. I believe it exists "out there somewhere"

 

It is my belief that memory is a function all by itself. It records everything. We are a vessel of particular recall of memory. Much like thoughts flow through us so do memories if triggered by a particular function.

 

Thanks, some great food for thought here too. You're not the only one, I've heard theories about the human brain containing more of an interface or communication device with the mind-stuff held elsewhere, so that dementia for example doesn't mean the erasure of the memories but is a breakdown of the link between body and mind. I'm open to different ideas but would say that there's also no evidence of the alternative theories either. Some people claim to visit the akashic records but that's still in my undecided basket. 

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9 hours ago, Campion said:

so that dementia for example doesn't mean the erasure of the memories but is a breakdown of the link between body and mind

What you're saying is in alignment with Ken L. Wheeler's position on mind/consciousness.

Ken also suggests a connection between dementia and cholesterol-lowering medication, as the brain is a actually a lump of cholesterol and water.

 

He mentions cholesterol/brain briefly in this video at approx. 13min 20sec...

"Metaphysics: MIND vs. CONSCIOUSNESS in ancient Metaphysics"

 

And just to add if I may, some further references to memory/mind and consciousness...

 

"MIND vs. CONSCIOUSNESS - Ken L. Wheeler - 2021"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DQl3D8ChW7610C4RKjlckJwNJm8hvHFx/view (PDF)

 

 

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On 3/10/2024 at 9:31 PM, Campion said:

 

In our modern scientific reductionism we do divide up the body into parts, in perhaps the same way as an engineer divides up an inorganic object into parts like a car. We have doctors who specialise in hearts, lungs, brains, bones etc. Because the total amount of medical knowledge is too much for a single person to know it all; when your GP reaches the limits of their ability they refer you to a specialist. 

 

What you're speaking of with wholes divided into parts which are themselves wholes reminds me of Arthur_Koestler's_Holons a useful concept. I agree a human body is an entity, but so is a kidney. Neither entity can exist without its particular environment - humans exist on our planet with all our social and environmental relationships like families, societies, food, air, water etc. 

 

 

We know the brain has many functions we aren't aware of like how it controls hormones, heart rate, breathing etc. I suggest that thoughts originate as energetic processes which can move across from an unaware area like the brain stem to an aware area like the neo-cortex. But it's just a theory. There's no 'I' apart from what's called the executive function. 

 

Edit. Another example of unconscious mind is memory. We hold a vast amount of memories, knowledge and learning which is hidden untill we 'remember' or 'recall' it into conscious awareness when we need it. It would be hopeless to be aware of all our memories all the time! A bit like a computer calling up information from backing memory into the processor RAM as required. Thought is essentially a string of language and imagery pulled up from the subconscious memory into conscious awareness. But there must be some process choosing which words and images to string together. 

This talk I think of parts. It's a very human mind thing to do. In reality there is no brain, no kidney etc. if you asked a "brain" what is it? It would just say I.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Thanks, some great food for thought here too. You're not the only one, I've heard theories about the human brain containing more of an interface or communication device with the mind-stuff held elsewhere, so that dementia for example doesn't mean the erasure of the memories but is a breakdown of the link between body and mind. I'm open to different ideas but would say that there's also no evidence of the alternative theories either. Some people claim to visit the akashic records but that's still in my undecided basket. 

Yes exactly this. Memory is triggered by brain activity which then recalls memory from "out there".

 

Yes I was akashic records consultant for years. Really in to it. And I totally believed I was/am in the akashic records. Truth is I cannot prove that at all......but still fun to explore ...

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5 hours ago, xpwales said:

What you're saying is in alignment with Ken L. Wheeler's position on mind/consciousness.

Ken also suggests a connection between dementia and cholesterol-lowering medication, as the brain is a actually a lump of cholesterol and water.

 

He mentions cholesterol/brain briefly in this video at approx. 13min 20sec...

"Metaphysics: MIND vs. CONSCIOUSNESS in ancient Metaphysics"

 

And just to add if I may, some further references to memory/mind and consciousness...

 

"MIND vs. CONSCIOUSNESS - Ken L. Wheeler - 2021"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DQl3D8ChW7610C4RKjlckJwNJm8hvHFx/view (PDF)

 

 

Very interesting thanks.

 

I studied the techniques also of memory champions. And they use mind palaces to recall.

 

I.e. you can actually remember and recall and infinite amount of items with the right triggers. By using a familiar place and placing the items you wish to recall around the familiar place. And you then have to create a walkway around this palace and because it's familiar you know the route already...

 

Very fascinating.....no skill required just good planning.

 

But did highlight to me the point memories are recalled by a trigger.

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8 hours ago, Mr H said:

Very interesting thanks.

 

I studied the techniques also of memory champions. And they use mind palaces to recall.

 

I.e. you can actually remember and recall and infinite amount of items with the right triggers. By using a familiar place and placing the items you wish to recall around the familiar place. And you then have to create a walkway around this palace and because it's familiar you know the route already...

 

Very fascinating.....no skill required just good planning.

 

But did highlight to me the point memories are recalled by a trigger.

Yes, I suppose it's a bit like working with numbers, some people find it easier to imagine patterns (e.g. an array/grid of items) to represent numbers.

 

Also, by submerging oneself in water (especially naturally sourced), thought and memory 'apparently' becomes clearer.

The baths in Lourdes, France were apparently used by "oracles" to provide sought after answers and insight.

https://www.lourdes-france.org/en/going-baths/

 

Maybe that's where the concept of the "Pre-Cogs" in the movie "Minority Report" came from.

precogs-minority-report.png

 

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