Unconditional love

[Mr H]

Unconditional love for humans is this possible?

 

I've always felt as a child and most of my life this unconditional love for people. Where I would genuinely do a lot of things for anybody out of love, even if I didn't know you....

 

Then life happens. And you realise people are motivated by selfish reasons. You start not wanting to share this unconditional love anymore, which brings in to question whether it was ever even unconditional in the first place, and whether there is such a thing?

[Origin]

That is a dream. Out of reach. I assume that there must be something that transcends this and places it in an overarching context.

[novymir]

What is lovable is The Real, buried like the core of an onion, with layers and layers of illusury nonsense suppressing and distorting expression of It. The surface may be nice or it may be ugly, but within; The Real is Perfect and Pristine forever, and that is what is lovable and generates expressions reflective of It's Beautiful nature.

This world is not designed to express Reality, but It still filters through and can been seen and felt and cannot be completely suppressed/repressed. Without It there is no life at all, because It IS Life.

 

The Truth of them is Lovely and Beautiful beyond measure, whether I or they see It or not, It Is. What IS. Before, beyond, and after the illusion of "not that".

This world is designed to disprove The Truth, and offers an alternative "truth" and "reality" which ends up being an inversion and downgrading of Being.

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by novymir

[Mr H]

10 hours ago, novymir said:

What is lovable is The Real, buried like the core of an onion, with layers and layers of illusury nonsense suppressing and distorting expression of It. The surface may be nice or it may be ugly, but within; The Real is Perfect and Pristine forever, and that is what is lovable and generates expressions reflective of It's Beautiful nature.

This world is not designed to express Reality, but It still filters through and can been seen and felt and cannot be completely suppressed/repressed. Without It there is no life at all, because It IS Life.

 

The Truth of them is Lovely and Beautiful beyond measure, whether I or they see It or not, It Is. What IS. Before, beyond, and after the illusion of "not that".

This world is designed to disprove The Truth, and offers an alternative "truth" and "reality" which ends up being an inversion and downgrading of Being.

 

 

 

Awesome thanks.

[Untun]

Yes, unconditional love is very possible once you find your way out of the hands of the murderer.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

It is a great question @Mr H and an honest assessment and one that mirrors my own journey/thinking. I think there CAN be acts of unconditional love that after the act, give some form of satisfaction, but the satisfaction was not the intention and came only AFTER the act. Many times I will give money to a homeless person as an automatic response, coming from intention and compassion for homeless people that has always been something I have cared about. And then sure, afterwards I might feel some satisfaction or sense of pride, but more for doing what I know to be right, and living by my values or from a Soul place. 

 

But I do know what you mean, and even the above could be questioned in reality. But I also have noticed at times when I do a gesture for someone like a partner, and then something either goes wrong or it is not really appreciated, then I have felt resentment. So in those experiences, no doubt what appears to be an act of unconditional love, is really an unconscious need for something back such as validation, approval, or something else. It is complex, but perhaps a LOT of what we call unconditional love, is actually unconsciously conditional, with only a fraction of unconditional love actually being so. As humans it is hard to separate our own emotions from our actions so perhaps it is understandable that there will often be some form of 'pay-off'. 

[Mr H]

16 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

It is a great question @Mr H and an honest assessment and one that mirrors my own journey/thinking. I think there CAN be acts of unconditional love that after the act, give some form of satisfaction, but the satisfaction was not the intention and came only AFTER the act. Many times I will give money to a homeless person as an automatic response, coming from intention and compassion for homeless people that has always been something I have cared about. And then sure, afterwards I might feel some satisfaction or sense of pride, but more for doing what I know to be right, and living by my values or from a Soul place. 

 

But I do know what you mean, and even the above could be questioned in reality. But I also have noticed at times when I do a gesture for someone like a partner, and then something either goes wrong or it is not really appreciated, then I have felt resentment. So in those experiences, no doubt what appears to be an act of unconditional love, is really an unconscious need for something back such as validation, approval, or something else. It is complex, but perhaps a LOT of what we call unconditional love, is actually unconsciously conditional, with only a fraction of unconditional love actually being so. As humans it is hard to separate our own emotions from our actions so perhaps it is understandable that there will often be some form of 'pay-off'. 

Very thought provoking....

 

Made me question what is unconditional love? 

 

My original post and the responses suggest it is an act towards another. But now I'm thinking maybe it's something else. Maybe it's accepting existence as it is without resistance and being that knowingly. Maybe it is not a doing act but a state of being............from which actions then fall from

[BornFreeNowAgain]

6 hours ago, Mr H said:

Very thought provoking....

 

Made me question what is unconditional love? 

 

My original post and the responses suggest it is an act towards another. But now I'm thinking maybe it's something else. Maybe it's accepting existence as it is without resistance and being that knowingly. Maybe it is not a doing act but a state of being............from which actions then fall from

I think that is a good way to explain it. The act is the most common way that humans express unconditional love, but pure unconditional love is a state or intention, in many ways a rising above egoic needs. Unconditional love may be a Soul state, whereas conditional love is obviously coming from the place of ego. 

[Mr H]

Find it curious that a lot of folks get worked up about the future. Maybe humanity is controlled by aliens whatever. A control grid whatever.

 

Why?

 

The original discussion here, leads to conclusion that you cannot really love or care for another, it's all negotiation really. Except maybe where child is involved..

 

So why do you really give a fk what happens to "humanity".

 

If I had to make a guess I would say most don't ( but will claim too) and enjoy conspiracy theory for selfish reasons, e.g distraction, entertainment, not wanting to take responsibility of your life etc.....

[Campion]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

Find it curious that a lot of folks get worked up about the future. Maybe humanity is controlled by aliens whatever. A control grid whatever.

 

Why?

 

The original discussion here, leads to conclusion that you cannot really love or care for another, it's all negotiation really. Except maybe where child is involved..

 

So why do you really give a fk what happens to "humanity".

 

If I had to make a guess I would say most don't ( but will claim too) and enjoy conspiracy theory for selfish reasons, e.g distraction, entertainment, not wanting to take responsibility of your life etc.....

 

To nondualists there are no others in the absolute sense, only when seen from within the illusion of duality. So no, I guess there isn't me loving another, it's all the same love. 

 

But in a more conventional sense, of course there's love: I love my family, my home, my friends, my tribe, my nation, anything where's there's a good relationship with "me". 

 

Edited February 16, 2024 by Campion

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

 

 

But in a more conventional sense, of course there's love: I love my family, my home, my friends, my tribe, my nation, anything where's there's a good relationship with "me". 

 

Family aside.

 

Are the other forms of love conditional? Do you love your home if it collapsed? Do you love your tribe if they turn on you and want to kill you?

 

This is where born free and I left it last time. It's more selfish preferences, based upon certain conditions, rather than what I would call love, but we probably all define it differently....

Edited February 16, 2024 by Mr H

[Campion]

2 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Family aside.

 

Are the other forms of love conditional? Do you love your home if it collapsed? Do you love your tribe if they turn on you and want to kill you?

 

This is where born free and I left it last time. It's more selfish preferences, based upon certain conditions, rather than what I would call love, but we probably all define it differently....

 

I guess for me these are conditional. I'm not some enlightened sage so like anyone else, if my tribe rejects me, my wife is unfaithful etc the love could turn to hate. I've had girlfriends who I thought I loved but it turned sour.  I've fallen out with family members in the past too, so it hasn't felt like love. Or maybe the unconditional love is still there but gets obscured by hate layered on top.

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

I guess for me these are conditional. I'm not some enlightened sage so like anyone else, if my tribe rejects me, my wife is unfaithful etc the love could turn to hate. I've had girlfriends who I thought I loved but it turned sour.  I've fallen out with family members in the past too, so it hasn't felt like love. Or maybe the unconditional love is still there but gets obscured by hate layered on top.

Yeah so it's a "like if" statement.

 

I dunno is that is love even in conventional sense?

 

Question if anyone identifying as a human can love, to except when it comes to family...

 

Seems to be conditional, based upon selfish motivation. Selfishness only exist if identifying as a separate entity 

Edited February 16, 2024 by Mr H