Curious about death?

[Mr H]

Hmmm....

 

So just some messages I received today. Will share.

 

Humans have a weird fascination with death. Yet death is the one thing they know intimately. It is nothing. Peace. We experience it every single night in deep sleep. We know exactly what it's like and that's the reason we come here. Because we have no clue what's happening. It's exciting to us, this theatre. Better to be curious about what we don't know rather than what we do know.

[Mr H]

Death is consciousness at rest.

 

Humans are consciousness in motion.

 

Humans are always in motion in search for happiness. Yet the happiness they seek is in death. 

 

That's why it's good to die whilst alive, so the rollercoaster ride is a more peaceful one.....

[Jason57]

Death seems more appealling than life. I don't understand people who say life is a gift.

[Campion]

3 hours ago, Mr H said:

. It is nothing. Peace. We experience it every single night in deep sleep. We know exactly what it's like and that's the reason we come here. Because we have no clue what's happening. It's exciting to us, this theatre. Better to be curious about what we don't know rather than what we do know.

 

Yes, well, it's all nothing really. Deep sleep apparently happens but I don't experience it, I'm not even there to have an experience, even of time. Like when I had a general anaesthetic in hospital, I had no experience of the following couple of hours until I came round in the post-op room, it all happened in a single moment. Or it's like my subconscious mind is busy doing its thing and I'm totally oblivious. But my conscious mind is a creation of my subconscious. 

 

We've forgotten that we are already nothing/everything which creates the illusion of 'me having experiences'. 

 

Why is there something rather than nothing? It's a trick question really, this is nothing appearing as something. 

 

3 hours ago, Mr H said:

Death is consciousness at rest.

 

Humans are consciousness in motion.

 

Humans are always in motion in search for happiness. Yet the happiness they seek is in death. 

 

That's why it's good to die whilst alive, so the rollercoaster ride is a more peaceful one.....

 

Do you mean the ego death of spirituality rather than physical death? If so then yes I get what you're saying. But there's a risk that someone might misunderstand if they're suffering and looking for an escape. Death isn't an escape from suffering, there's no guarantees it'll be peaceful either. 

 

Even ego death turns out to be imaginary because the ego wasn't real to begin with. I'm not alive in the first place, it's the other way round. We don't have a life, life has me and you. Life is the cycle of birth and death, death isn't the end of life. So true happiness isn't something to seek and find (or not find), it's something to be. When we search for happiness, we're searching for ourselves, our true self. But we don't know it because society is desperate to keep us seeking happiness externally. 

 

Sorry just some random thoughts, I'm not trying to build a belief system or argue for or against anyone. 

 

 

[Mr H]

35 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

Yes, well, it's all nothing really. Deep sleep apparently happens but I don't experience it, I'm not even there to have an experience, even of time. Like when I had a general anaesthetic in hospital, I had no experience of the following couple of hours until I came round in the post-op room, it all happened in a single moment. Or it's like my subconscious mind is busy doing its thing and I'm totally oblivious. But my conscious mind is a creation of my subconscious. 

 

We've forgotten that we are already nothing/everything which creates the illusion of 'me having experiences'. 

 

Why is there something rather than nothing? It's a trick question really, this is nothing appearing as something. 

 

 

Do you mean the ego death of spirituality rather than physical death? If so then yes I get what you're saying. But there's a risk that someone might misunderstand if they're suffering and looking for an escape. Death isn't an escape from suffering, there's no guarantees it'll be peaceful either. 

 

Even ego death turns out to be imaginary because the ego wasn't real to begin with. I'm not alive in the first place, it's the other way round. We don't have a life, life has me and you. Life is the cycle of birth and death, death isn't the end of life. So true happiness isn't something to seek and find (or not find), it's something to be. When we search for happiness, we're searching for ourselves, our true self. But we don't know it because society is desperate to keep us seeking happiness externally. 

 

Sorry just some random thoughts, I'm not trying to build a belief system or argue for or against anyone. 

 

 

You have to excuse me. Haven't worked out the quotes thing.

 

You say you don't experience deep sleep. How do you know this? Relying on memory? I can tell you, memory is not reliable. It is true you don't experience objects in deep sleep, because you essentially are not an object. The nothingness itself, is your experience if deep sleep. I'm sure if I asked you, did you go to sleep last night, the answer would be yes.

 

The ego death and physical death are pretty similar in my book. Both illusions.

 

Yeah I don't want anyone to top themselves. But in the ultimate analysis it actually doesn't matter if we're going to be cold and blunt here. Even true from a materialist perspective. Personally I find that there is no real death, and the best we know is consciousness at rest is like deep sleep - comforting and liberating.

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Jason57 said:

Death seems more appealling than life. I don't understand people who say life is a gift.

They are essentially the same. I could phrase what I initially said something like this, We're more like dead people pretending to be alive than alive people waiting and scared to die......

[Jason57]

14 minutes ago, Mr H said:

They are essentially the same. I could phrase what I initially said something like this, We're more like dead people pretending to be alive than alive people waiting and scared to die......

True, but dead people don't physically have to pay bills, be controlled by crooks, and go to work for little to no money.

[Mr H]

11 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

True, but dead people don't physically have to pay bills, be controlled by crooks, and go to work for little to no money.

Yeah those things suck donkey balls.

 

But at the end of the day, it's not real, these people and things. Just enjoy the ride. If it's currently not so great, then tune out of all that stuff, change your perspective and beliefs and concentrate on self. 

[Jason57]

7 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Yeah those things suck donkey balls.

 

But at the end of the day, it's not real, these people and things. Just enjoy the ride. If it's currently not so great, then tune out of all that stuff, change your perspective and beliefs and concentrate on self. 

Good advice expect one thing. I hate myself and don't want to concentrate on myself. I prefer to help others.

[Mr H]

Another thought I had on the topic.

 

When you're born you're not afraid of death. You only get scared about death from movies and stories which are based on fantasy. The best we know of death is its experience without objects. And I experience that every night! 

[Mr H]

3 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Good advice expect one thing. I hate myself and don't want to concentrate on myself. I prefer to help others.

That's up to you friend.

 

But in service to others, shows love for oneself.

[Mr H]

17 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Good advice expect one thing. I hate myself and don't want to concentrate on myself. I prefer to help others.

But not that you were asking. But just as a suggestion I might look into this person who you believe to be. And see where that line of enquiry leads........

[Jason57]

What person is that? Me? I'm a no user lol

[Origin]

44 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Good advice expect one thing. I hate myself and don't want to concentrate on myself. I prefer to help others.

The only reason I still exist is because I do the same thing. I help other people who are vulnerable, and these are the most vulnerable. 

[Jason57]

1 minute ago, Origin said:

The only reason I still exist is because I do the same thing. I help other people who are vulnerable, and these are the most vulnerable. 

Suicide would destroy my family, so i'm still here.

[Mr H]

32 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

What person is that? Me? I'm a no user lol

Yes.

 

To put it bluntly, unless you are able to give up the identity of being human you will suffer or be susceptible to it forever. Choice is always yours.......we can make a new choice at anytime.

[Jason57]

So do you identify as human?

[Origin]

7 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Suicide would destroy my family, so i'm still here.

For me it's more because it would be a weakness. This thing from the other side always kept me busy with impossible secrets. So that I'm not too bored with my very existence. Nevertheless it is infinitely boring.

[Jason57]

Same. Eat, sleep work repeat for decades gets boring fast.

[Mr H]

11 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

So do you identify as human?

No I don't. It is very clear to me in my experience that I AM not human. I AM,...... having an human experiences....

 

When you look into it, there is just no evidence of humans. It's all just knowing and mind play....

Edited November 22, 2023 by Mr H

[Origin]

7 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Same. Eat, sleep work repeat for decades gets boring fast.

And there is no escape. When I still had confidence in human concepts, like the universe, I hoped that I would at last be free. I realised that there is no freedom.

[Jason57]

1 minute ago, Origin said:

And there is no escape. When I still had confidence in human concepts, like the universe, I hoped that I would at last be free. I realised that there is no freedom.

There might be in death of the human body.

[Mr H]

1 minute ago, Jason57 said:

There might be in death of the human body.

Then you are asleep. And we already know what happens. Pretty much, NO THING. You will likely be more bored!  why we have experience, for not getting bored......

[Origin]

5 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

There might be in death of the human body.

Well. I already know in detail what kind of existence I am. How the transition takes place, unfiltered, and that I can't explore anything elsewhere. The question is rather why it had to be this kind of existence. And there is no other way to other spatial states.

[Origin]

7 minutes ago, Origin said:

Well. I already know in detail what kind of existence I am. How the transition takes place, unfiltered, and that I can't explore anything elsewhere. The question is rather why it had to be this kind of existence. And there is no other way to other spatial states.

I didn't mean to say that it's not interesting, and it doesn't have to mean that it's the only one of its kind. These questions go far beyond what people at this point in their development are expected to know. The point is that it doesn't end. And that should be positive. Sorry..