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It's good but can't verify the truth. Firstly NDE Anita moorjani experienced is very detailed and in my heart resonates. You don't physically see loved ones on the other side, it's all consciousness. David says ŵe are tricked into seeing loved ones..she is very clear there is no body, you have to get used to having no body, its all expanded awareness. 

 

David reincarnation trap doesn't make sense of any so many spiritual and paranormal things that happen. And he dismisses the bible and holy texts, yet the nag hammadi is basically another version of it found in oH guess where the middle east. If you read it, it's another bible really. More detailed though, and jesus just came to being more clarity.  I love David's work. But honestly there are so many questions on this ones I would be asking. I truly believe we are all creating chaos and that the 'archons' are just humanity misusing our imagination. Joseph murphy and neville goddard havs a better explanation of the bible and the karbalah which basically speaks of the divine spark. 

 

Humanity loves drama,  look at covid some can't move on. Look at the beauty's and love of life too. Not just the horrors. 

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Omg, just came to post a bit about Neville Goddard and his talk of what The promise meant in his lecture.. And just saw your username name is Neville Goddard! 

 

Neville studied the Kabbalah, you can see from his lectures from 1920's when he started out right until 1972 how it all changed. He said scripture is unfolding inside of man. Our imagination whether we know consciously or not know it subconsciously is creating things into existence.  He is very detailed. In a time where no social media was about. He was light years ahead. His books include consciousness is the only reality, and infinite awarness!  long before icke spoke it.

 

I do wonder why David doesn't mention Neville Goddard in any of his books. It doesn't matter I suppose. David is brilliant in his own right. But not everything David says is absolute truth either. We are all creating, his perceptions doesn't mean solid fact. 

 

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On 10/20/2023 at 1:28 AM, Trustinfinite said:

Omg, just came to post a bit about Neville Goddard and his talk of what The promise meant in his lecture.. And just saw your username name is Neville Goddard! 

 

Neville studied the Kabbalah, you can see from his lectures from 1920's when he started out right until 1972 how it all changed. He said scripture is unfolding inside of man. Our imagination whether we know consciously or not know it subconsciously is creating things into existence.  He is very detailed. In a time where no social media was about. He was light years ahead. His books include consciousness is the only reality, and infinite awarness!  long before icke spoke it.

 

I do wonder why David doesn't mention Neville Goddard in any of his books. It doesn't matter I suppose. David is brilliant in his own right. But not everything David says is absolute truth either. We are all creating, his perceptions doesn't mean solid fact. 

 

I do remember Neville said in one of his lectures that the world is nothing but imagination, so I's not real.  I'm not sure how accurate David is regarding the reincarnation trap.  OSHO in one of his books kind of made a similar statement though:   He said if a Christian dies he will see Christ. If a Buddhist dies he will see Buddha, and if a Muslim dies he will see Allah.  so it kind of makes sense that our mind is in some sort of Matrix/belief system.

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4 hours ago, Neville Goddard said:

I do remember Neville said in one of his lectures that the world is nothing but imagination, so I's not real.  I'm not sure how accurate David is regarding the reincarnation trap.  OSHO in one of his books kind of made a similar statement though:   He said if a Christian dies he will see Christ. If a Buddhist dies he will see Buddha, and if a Muslim dies he will see Allah.  so it kind of makes sense that our mind is in some sort of Matrix/belief system.

 Yes also Reminds me what Jaques Vallee wrote about in ," masters of deception" too and possible Michael Tsarion discussing the unconscious and nature  too in relation to the ego .

Is much to explore in all these I suppose ,how to be in the Now or perhaps Nature

 , I think in the Dream David mentioned an original  Earth etc from which the copy was conjured up kind off too 

 

 

 

 

 

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I read ‘The Dream’ with great interest, and will read it again to make notes.  Besides being a wonderful concise summary of what is occurring in 3D here and now and in recent history, it also sets many things out in concreate terms which is very much appreciated considering the complexity of what there is to be known.  Nothing surprised me in the least and I have no problem believing we are trapped on the astral as Divine Aspects and manipulated to create the lives we live here to feed the archons, build our own prison and perpetuate the cycle of reincarnation.  Nonetheless, life here in 3D is very real, as it’s set up to be that way, and thus it entrains and derails us as the book explains.

 

My world view has included these concepts for a couple of years now, after digesting much of the body of work linked below that has been talking about our lost history since about 2009.   

 

I don’t think I believe in John Lamb Lash’s version (but I know not) regarding the mistaken creation made by Sophia (pg 87) because this is NOT Sophia’s (Divine Mother’s) creation but a stolen inversion of it.  However, just about everything else is bang on IMO.   It just doesn’t go far enough into the history of our true origins and where we are from.

 

Although we are very likely living (dreaming) a simulation as Icke states, suppose the human experiment was initially a very advanced project created by very advanced creator beings. What if we (and this simulation) were originally ‘created’ to be the beginnings of a new race of ‘creator beings’.   

We know about the Draconians and their control here, but perhaps there is also a lot more to be divulged.  Was the Earth (the Human project) in fact invaded and conquered, as was this entire sector, along with many other planetary systems, and the creator beings lost control of their simulation and Human project.  (This by the way was not Enki – who only claims to be our creator.)

 

As stated in the ES material, we were originally seeded on Tara, in that time line, but Tara was conquered and destroyed.  The remains of the advanced civilization (project) and genetics spiraled downward from 5D to this very low and dense 3D ‘physicality’ called Earth, around which frequency fences were eventually constructed to keep us imprisoned here.  The invasion was AI in nature and originated from the fallen Wesa system. 

As the book states the headquarters are in the 4th Dimension, the astral realms, and the moon was hauled in as a base and projector. 

__________

I grabbed a few snippets to paste below.  The ES material is complex beyond belief and requires a lot of reading and unravelling, but my point here is that although we are now just projecting the human experience under the distortions created on the astral by false gods and controllers, we perhaps didn’t start out that way. 

__________

Negative Alien Agenda (NAA)

 https://energeticsynthesis.com/library/negative-alien-agenda/2662-negative-alien-agenda-naa

__________

https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/First_Christos_Humans_on_Planet_Tara

 

Many millions of years ago, several Founder metaterrestrial races (Christos Beings) from this Universal system and beyond into the Omniverses, came together at the Royal Houses of Lyra. This meeting was for the purpose of contributing their most advanced genetic material in the creation of our First World, which is known as the planet Tara. The Cosmic Trinity are representations of the first, second and third emanations of the God Source and thus, are the Universal Founders of this particular time matrix. The Universal Founders are nondimensionalized Solar Body expressions from outside of the time matrix located in the pre-matter fields.

The Cosmic Trinity protects the promise of Ascension for all living things travelling in the Universal Time Matrix, by ensuring they eventually are able to return to their source frequency and spiritual home at the end of evolution cycles. Returning back home into the Zero Point field after completing the time matrix evolution cycles are the areas of nondimensionalized realms, where the free Cosmic Christos Citizens travel and live in the highest creations that exist in the eternal God Worlds. 

__________

Wars in the Cosmos – And Fallen Races

See this link for interesting fragments of potential galactic history

https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Historical_Timeline_Trigger_Events

These specific Historical Timeline Trigger Events are directly related to the seed or causal events of the main Galactic War histories involving humanity. The NAA war against humanity originated from the timelines of the Lyran and Orion Wars from the higher Harmonic Universe. When the Cradle of Lyra and several planets exploded this further destroyed the Andromedan Stargate, leaving humanity trapped in a fallen system. Those histories of Galactic warring eventually descended into many conflicts for power and control over the 3D Earth. The Belial Sons Luciferian Covenant and the Black Sun Program ultimately united to form the NAA artificial intelligence and the 911 Timeline Agenda that is playing out today, in the Timeline Wars.

__________

https://energeticsynthesis.com/library/negative-alien-agenda/2664-negative-aliens

Negative Aliens: These are extradimensional beings that have lost their Consciousness connection to god source and are utilizing human and other beings as their food source (like a parasite) to live thousands of years. They do not have emotions as humans have but are highly intelligent as they are working on higher mind principles than the human Three Layers of Ego. They are similar to a Mad Scientist that manipulates and genetically modify human beings, similarly as a farmer interested in gaining more resources out of his herd of cattle on the farm. Many of them are inherently violent. They consider humans an investment in their energy resource portfolio.

The NAA or Archons can be best understood as a Psychopathic personality or identity profile with a Lack of Empathy that has no feelings of remorse and no caring towards human beings. They regard human beings as inferior, stupid and many times use forms of mockery to create intentional harm and violence for their own amusement.

These beings have been manipulating the human world of affairs for thousands and thousands of years, since the Atlantian Cataclysm for their own purposes. See the Ages of Humanity. These are inter-dimensional and extra dimensional beings known as Fallen Angelic in ancient history and they use many technological manipulation methods to Mind Control and negatively manipulate the future direction of the human race. Once such negative manipulation is installing the Armageddon Software into the planetary brain in order to install False Father Negative Alien Religions based on serving the Yahweh and JehovianAnnunaki Collectives. See Dark Force Manipulation Methods and Mind Control.

__________

https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Ages_of_Humanity

https://energeticsynthesis.com/library/negative-alien-agenda/2672-false-alien-gods

The Fallen Ones infected the God-King lineages of the planet and replaced beliefs of sovereignty and freedom as Universal Truth to concepts of Hierarchal Enslavement, genetic discrimination and karmic retribution. As they proclaimed and defended themselves as the True God Creator, the War over God and God’s Natural Laws became the main power conflict in our system.

__________

https://energeticsynthesis.com/resource-tools/3675-the-vatican-and-dark-mother

Lunar Matrix, Lunar Female Distortions, Dark Mother

Thousands of years ago, the NAA and the Power Elite Luciferian bloodlines discovered that in order to gain access to the planetary staff and spiritual-energetic gateways, stargates, portals, interdimensional links into different timelines, they would need to find ways to capture the Mother aspect of the Godhead, by gaining control over dark matter and gravitational or magnetic field manipulation. The insertion of the Lunar Matrix was accomplished in part by dragging in the moon satellite, to be used as a base of operations and for transmitting lunar broadcasts for achieving magnetic field manipulation and mind control. This makes the earth a bonafide prison planet. This also serves to gain control over the Sophianic female Christos expression on the earth, by inverting the solar female staff current in the human lightbody, and forcing the inner female principle to run energy reversals with lunar force overlays from the Lunar Matrix.

 

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Isabella Greene’s videos, which I am very happy to have found here on this forum are a wonderful part of the whole picture.

https://in5d.com/meditations-kundalini-third-eye-activation/

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On 11/11/2023 at 12:56 AM, FireFly9 said:

I read ‘The Dream’ with great interest, and will read it again to make notes.  Besides being a wonderful concise summary of what is occurring in 3D here and now and in recent history, it also sets many things out in concreate terms which is very much appreciated considering the complexity of what there is to be known.  Nothing surprised me in the least and I have no problem believing we are trapped on the astral as Divine Aspects and manipulated to create the lives we live here to feed the archons, build our own prison and perpetuate the cycle of reincarnation.  Nonetheless, life here in 3D is very real, as it’s set up to be that way, and thus it entrains and derails us as the book explains.

 

My world view has included these concepts for a couple of years now, after digesting much of the body of work linked below that has been talking about our lost history since about 2009.   

 

I don’t think I believe in John Lamb Lash’s version (but I know not) regarding the mistaken creation made by Sophia (pg 87) because this is NOT Sophia’s (Divine Mother’s) creation but a stolen inversion of it.  However, just about everything else is bang on IMO.   It just doesn’t go far enough into the history of our true origins and where we are from.

 

Although we are very likely living (dreaming) a simulation as Icke states, suppose the human experiment was initially a very advanced project created by very advanced creator beings. What if we (and this simulation) were originally ‘created’ to be the beginnings of a new race of ‘creator beings’.   

We know about the Draconians and their control here, but perhaps there is also a lot more to be divulged.  Was the Earth (the Human project) in fact invaded and conquered, as was this entire sector, along with many other planetary systems, and the creator beings lost control of their simulation and Human project.  (This by the way was not Enki – who only claims to be our creator.)

 

As stated in the ES material, we were originally seeded on Tara, in that time line, but Tara was conquered and destroyed.  The remains of the advanced civilization (project) and genetics spiraled downward from 5D to this very low and dense 3D ‘physicality’ called Earth, around which frequency fences were eventually constructed to keep us imprisoned here.  The invasion was AI in nature and originated from the fallen Wesa system. 

As the book states the headquarters are in the 4th Dimension, the astral realms, and the moon was hauled in as a base and projector. 

__________

I grabbed a few snippets to paste below.  The ES material is complex beyond belief and requires a lot of reading and unravelling, but my point here is that although we are now just projecting the human experience under the distortions created on the astral by false gods and controllers, we perhaps didn’t start out that way. 

__________

Negative Alien Agenda (NAA)

 https://energeticsynthesis.com/library/negative-alien-agenda/2662-negative-alien-agenda-naa

__________

https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/First_Christos_Humans_on_Planet_Tara

 

Many millions of years ago, several Founder metaterrestrial races (Christos Beings) from this Universal system and beyond into the Omniverses, came together at the Royal Houses of Lyra. This meeting was for the purpose of contributing their most advanced genetic material in the creation of our First World, which is known as the planet Tara. The Cosmic Trinity are representations of the first, second and third emanations of the God Source and thus, are the Universal Founders of this particular time matrix. The Universal Founders are nondimensionalized Solar Body expressions from outside of the time matrix located in the pre-matter fields.

The Cosmic Trinity protects the promise of Ascension for all living things travelling in the Universal Time Matrix, by ensuring they eventually are able to return to their source frequency and spiritual home at the end of evolution cycles. Returning back home into the Zero Point field after completing the time matrix evolution cycles are the areas of nondimensionalized realms, where the free Cosmic Christos Citizens travel and live in the highest creations that exist in the eternal God Worlds. 

__________

Wars in the Cosmos – And Fallen Races

See this link for interesting fragments of potential galactic history

https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Historical_Timeline_Trigger_Events

These specific Historical Timeline Trigger Events are directly related to the seed or causal events of the main Galactic War histories involving humanity. The NAA war against humanity originated from the timelines of the Lyran and Orion Wars from the higher Harmonic Universe. When the Cradle of Lyra and several planets exploded this further destroyed the Andromedan Stargate, leaving humanity trapped in a fallen system. Those histories of Galactic warring eventually descended into many conflicts for power and control over the 3D Earth. The Belial Sons Luciferian Covenant and the Black Sun Program ultimately united to form the NAA artificial intelligence and the 911 Timeline Agenda that is playing out today, in the Timeline Wars.

__________

https://energeticsynthesis.com/library/negative-alien-agenda/2664-negative-aliens

Negative Aliens: These are extradimensional beings that have lost their Consciousness connection to god source and are utilizing human and other beings as their food source (like a parasite) to live thousands of years. They do not have emotions as humans have but are highly intelligent as they are working on higher mind principles than the human Three Layers of Ego. They are similar to a Mad Scientist that manipulates and genetically modify human beings, similarly as a farmer interested in gaining more resources out of his herd of cattle on the farm. Many of them are inherently violent. They consider humans an investment in their energy resource portfolio.

The NAA or Archons can be best understood as a Psychopathic personality or identity profile with a Lack of Empathy that has no feelings of remorse and no caring towards human beings. They regard human beings as inferior, stupid and many times use forms of mockery to create intentional harm and violence for their own amusement.

These beings have been manipulating the human world of affairs for thousands and thousands of years, since the Atlantian Cataclysm for their own purposes. See the Ages of Humanity. These are inter-dimensional and extra dimensional beings known as Fallen Angelic in ancient history and they use many technological manipulation methods to Mind Control and negatively manipulate the future direction of the human race. Once such negative manipulation is installing the Armageddon Software into the planetary brain in order to install False Father Negative Alien Religions based on serving the Yahweh and JehovianAnnunaki Collectives. See Dark Force Manipulation Methods and Mind Control.

__________

https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Ages_of_Humanity

https://energeticsynthesis.com/library/negative-alien-agenda/2672-false-alien-gods

The Fallen Ones infected the God-King lineages of the planet and replaced beliefs of sovereignty and freedom as Universal Truth to concepts of Hierarchal Enslavement, genetic discrimination and karmic retribution. As they proclaimed and defended themselves as the True God Creator, the War over God and God’s Natural Laws became the main power conflict in our system.

__________

https://energeticsynthesis.com/resource-tools/3675-the-vatican-and-dark-mother

Lunar Matrix, Lunar Female Distortions, Dark Mother

Thousands of years ago, the NAA and the Power Elite Luciferian bloodlines discovered that in order to gain access to the planetary staff and spiritual-energetic gateways, stargates, portals, interdimensional links into different timelines, they would need to find ways to capture the Mother aspect of the Godhead, by gaining control over dark matter and gravitational or magnetic field manipulation. The insertion of the Lunar Matrix was accomplished in part by dragging in the moon satellite, to be used as a base of operations and for transmitting lunar broadcasts for achieving magnetic field manipulation and mind control. This makes the earth a bonafide prison planet. This also serves to gain control over the Sophianic female Christos expression on the earth, by inverting the solar female staff current in the human lightbody, and forcing the inner female principle to run energy reversals with lunar force overlays from the Lunar Matrix.

 

_____________________

Isabella Greene’s videos, which I am very happy to have found here on this forum are a wonderful part of the whole picture.

https://in5d.com/meditations-kundalini-third-eye-activation/

 

As someone who is skeptical about the reliability of most channeled information about Earth's history and future, can you tell me why you trust this info? My view is that our realm can't be reached from the outside, so most channeled info is generated inside our realm, IMO.

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As someone who is skeptical about the reliability of most channeled information about Earth's history and future, can you tell me why you trust this info? My view is that our realm can't be reached from the outside, so most channeled info is generated inside our realm, IMO.

If information can't get in then how do people like David wake up within the simulation to expose it, and thereby wake up others in the simulation. 

 

Isabella Greene can get clear of the whole simulation (Quantum Travel as opposed to Astral Projection) and travels nightly to the void where she comes back with answers to the questions she asks.  She can also travel to other systems, Andromeda for example, and I expect that beings there would know and could fill us in on some of our forgotten, and highjacked history.   I assume then, that people like Lisa Renee can likewise gain insight via higher states of consciousness. 

 

David states the Divine Spark can intervene at a certain level of wakefulness and begins to influence the program. 

 

Pg 46 "There is one point to stress, though.  I have said that a focus of attention on something makes an energetic connection with it.  In this way the focus of the Divine Spark on its illusory AI-projected 'world' and experience means that its energetic signature or essence can also pervade the simulation.  If it is perceptually asleep it will not intervene in the program that it believes to be 'real'; if it is awakening, it will intervene and impact the program."

 

David also talks (pg 44) about stilling the mind, which is the AI program, to remember the true form.  I assume the true form remembers or has access to universal truths and our history.  David gets downloads, and I gather this comes from assistance from 'outside' the system.  

 

This information I quoted is not 'channeled' according to it's source.

 

It used to be, as I have come to understand it, that our system couldn't be reached from the outside, but that it now can be.  Things are beginning to break wide open in most all arenas here as we can clearly witness.  (Thanks to people like David and others.) This could also include our becoming aware of the entrapment at death, which is also obviously happening, if you listen to stories of people who have near death experiences, but catch on during the process that the whole thing is a scam from start to finish.  

 

"Gnosis comes from a Greek word meaning secret or spiritual knowledge.  One definition says that gnosis 'signifies a spiritual knowledge or insight into humanity's real nature as divine, leading to the deliverance of the Divine Spark within humanity from the constraints of earthly existence'.  Gnostics are believers and carriers of that knowledge through the centuries.  Gnosticism says the only way o  escaping 'Hell' is to expand spiritual awareness beyond  what they termed Nous (Mind) and into Pneuma (Infinite Self)."

 

"They gave us their mind by hijacking perception with the AI Astral Mind.  The fear of discovery is the knowledge that once humanity awakens to its plight - the Divine Spark awakens - the game is over."

 

(There are likely better quotes)

 

So I contend that someone with access to infinite self can also have access to history, where we are originally from, and how our system (the original simulation project) has been invaded and stolen since the invaders cannot create.  They instead stole this simulation from the original creators.  

 

Also the reptilians and other hijackers of this system would know of our history, and THEY apparently are coming and going from beyond it.  So the information can get in.  Those who know of the portals and star gates can also make contact with information for the infinite self.  

 

  

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Gnostics also state that most sources that proclaim themselves as some kind of god are to be distrusted by default and likely to be archons instead. This includes any information source that is difficult to verify including obviously channeling. It is becoming quite clear that 'the gods' of our recent history are something entirely different, but what to do about that is a different matter altogether. I've been drawn to the Cathar history for ages and feel like the key is hidden somewhere in there, or at least part of it. Everything that has been given a name however, could be corrupted, because the ineffable does not operate by our conventions of description. The only thing that is left is transcendent experiences and whether you trust them if they are not 'your own'.

 

Did this person step outside of the current 3D mess or did they simply 'imagine' it?

I feel like it's lurking around every corner yet there are so many obstacles around on this level my ankles are disfigured from tripping over nonsense and falling down a stairway of subversive sheistery. Everyone that speaks loudly is bought and paid for generally speaking, wisdom without an agenda can only be found on local levels. Here, small channels on the tubes, but best of all in places you dont go to look for it; a random bar, store, meeting during public transit.

 

Synchronicity is the universe having a conversation with us, and we need to do alot more of that.

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17 hours ago, FireFly9 said:

If information can't get in then how do people like David wake up within the simulation to expose it, and thereby wake up others in the simulation. 

 

Isabella Greene can get clear of the whole simulation (Quantum Travel as opposed to Astral Projection) and travels nightly to the void where she comes back with answers to the questions she asks.  She can also travel to other systems, Andromeda for example, and I expect that beings there would know and could fill us in on some of our forgotten, and highjacked history.   I assume then, that people like Lisa Renee can likewise gain insight via higher states of consciousness. 

 

David states the Divine Spark can intervene at a certain level of wakefulness and begins to influence the program. 

 

Pg 46 "There is one point to stress, though.  I have said that a focus of attention on something makes an energetic connection with it.  In this way the focus of the Divine Spark on its illusory AI-projected 'world' and experience means that its energetic signature or essence can also pervade the simulation.  If it is perceptually asleep it will not intervene in the program that it believes to be 'real'; if it is awakening, it will intervene and impact the program."

 

David also talks (pg 44) about stilling the mind, which is the AI program, to remember the true form.  I assume the true form remembers or has access to universal truths and our history.  David gets downloads, and I gather this comes from assistance from 'outside' the system.  

 

This information I quoted is not 'channeled' according to it's source.

 

It used to be, as I have come to understand it, that our system couldn't be reached from the outside, but that it now can be.  Things are beginning to break wide open in most all arenas here as we can clearly witness.  (Thanks to people like David and others.) This could also include our becoming aware of the entrapment at death, which is also obviously happening, if you listen to stories of people who have near death experiences, but catch on during the process that the whole thing is a scam from start to finish.  

 

"Gnosis comes from a Greek word meaning secret or spiritual knowledge.  One definition says that gnosis 'signifies a spiritual knowledge or insight into humanity's real nature as divine, leading to the deliverance of the Divine Spark within humanity from the constraints of earthly existence'.  Gnostics are believers and carriers of that knowledge through the centuries.  Gnosticism says the only way o  escaping 'Hell' is to expand spiritual awareness beyond  what they termed Nous (Mind) and into Pneuma (Infinite Self)."

 

"They gave us their mind by hijacking perception with the AI Astral Mind.  The fear of discovery is the knowledge that once humanity awakens to its plight - the Divine Spark awakens - the game is over."

 

(There are likely better quotes)

 

So I contend that someone with access to infinite self can also have access to history, where we are originally from, and how our system (the original simulation project) has been invaded and stolen since the invaders cannot create.  They instead stole this simulation from the original creators.  

 

Also the reptilians and other hijackers of this system would know of our history, and THEY apparently are coming and going from beyond it.  So the information can get in.  Those who know of the portals and star gates can also make contact with information for the infinite self.  

 

  

 

It has long puzzled me why David still adheres to certain New Age ideas despite rejecting many aspects of it. Most occult societies (Rosicrucians, Freemasons, et al) promote intuition , which has become a pillar of the New Age movement, and is going mainstream. 

 

Despite all the good that David has done, I'm convinced that he was unwittingly manipulated into his position to foster the propaganda that conspiracy researchers are 'mad, bad and dangerous to know'. Also, he promotes the supposed answer to our problems - the subconscious mind. I prefer the conscious mind. 

 

 

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I am not here to criticize Icke.  I think the human population would be a lot more malleable and deceived without those who speak, and that includes those who speak loudly.  It takes loud to get through and make a strong point, especially considering what we are up against since everything about life here has been so masterfully manipulated to steer us into a corral.  We truly are in a war over humanity itself.  

 

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Gnostics also state that most sources that proclaim themselves as some kind of god are to be distrusted by default and likely to be archons instead. This includes any information source that is difficult to verify including obviously channeling.

 

I agree that those proclaiming to be a god are not.... ie Enki and the entire Galactic Federation of deceptive players and anti-human species.  I agree that channeling is most often just from astral entities or disincarnates, and also used as deceptive tools.  We do have to develop our own inner tools and be discerning.  We are not all going to agree as we go along, but the truth in the end will still be the truth.

 

Some additional Cathar info for your pot.  Take what resonates, leave the rest. 

 

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Did this person step outside of the current 3D mess or did they simply 'imagine' it?

 

You would have to make up your own mind about that.  Astral Cat posted them on another thread.

My main point is that the Earth project/simulation was stolen from the founder races.  It was vulnerable and the blackhole AI and reptilian beings that separated themselves from God invaded and took it over eons ago (along with many other planets).  They cannot create so need and use humans to do that for them, while they collect the loosh to survive.  

 

What we see here now, and the illusion and deception we live under, was not the original design (IMO as I have come to see it), and if the overlays and inversions they (the invaders) created were to be removed then we (humanity) could live and evolve as was intended.  The Divine Sparks could be influenced by the Infinity Reality instead, as it was supposed to.  I think the earth project would, as intended, be a wonderful place to 'incarnate' into physical form for the experience for young and evolving souls.

 

Perhaps the human body was not a 'Wetiko' creation to ensnare consciousness (pg 37), but was dumbed down to be used by the 'Wetiko' or whatever you want to call them via applying the 'headset' (frequency) to the Divine Spark captured and confined to their Allegory Cave.  The software program was changed from one 'project divine human' (divine creator beings in the making as they matured over the processions of the yugas), to that which fell, entrapped in a very deep density to serve the invaders. 

 

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(pg 46) "So if AI and the Simulation was switched off, then 3D would disappear along with the entirety of humanity. All that would remain is who we really are - the Divine Spark and Infinite Reality"

 

Perhaps, the Earth would not in fact have to disappear as a Matrix, but just the negative overlays, frequency fences, controlled perceptions etc. removed, and invaders expelled forever.   I am dreaming perhaps, but is this the world we could possibly have BACK if we can climb out of this deception en mass, wake up, and take back our power, properly reconnected with Source and our original creators. 

 

This was not always my world view.  I expanded my conceptual framework after I was introduced to the ES body of work, as quoted above in my original post.  If there is truth in the revealed history brought to light, then Icke might find it interesting to ponder.  Easy reading it is not.  Do I believe all of it, no.  But the history part is fascinating.  

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12 hours ago, FireFly9 said:

I am not here to criticize Icke.  I think the human population would be a lot more malleable and deceived without those who speak, and that includes those who speak loudly.  It takes loud to get through and make a strong point, especially considering what we are up against since everything about life here has been so masterfully manipulated to steer us into a corral.  We truly are in a war over humanity itself.  

 

 

I agree that those proclaiming to be a god are not.... ie Enki and the entire Galactic Federation of deceptive players and anti-human species.  I agree that channeling is most often just from astral entities or disincarnates, and also used as deceptive tools.  We do have to develop our own inner tools and be discerning.  We are not all going to agree as we go along, but the truth in the end will still be the truth.

 

Some additional Cathar info for your pot.  Take what resonates, leave the rest. 

 

 

You would have to make up your own mind about that.  Astral Cat posted them on another thread.

My main point is that the Earth project/simulation was stolen from the founder races.  It was vulnerable and the blackhole AI and reptilian beings that separated themselves from God invaded and took it over eons ago (along with many other planets).  They cannot create so need and use humans to do that for them, while they collect the loosh to survive.  

 

What we see here now, and the illusion and deception we live under, was not the original design (IMO as I have come to see it), and if the overlays and inversions they (the invaders) created were to be removed then we (humanity) could live and evolve as was intended.  The Divine Sparks could be influenced by the Infinity Reality instead, as it was supposed to.  I think the earth project would, as intended, be a wonderful place to 'incarnate' into physical form for the experience for young and evolving souls.

 

Perhaps the human body was not a 'Wetiko' creation to ensnare consciousness (pg 37), but was dumbed down to be used by the 'Wetiko' or whatever you want to call them via applying the 'headset' (frequency) to the Divine Spark captured and confined to their Allegory Cave.  The software program was changed from one 'project divine human' (divine creator beings in the making as they matured over the processions of the yugas), to that which fell, entrapped in a very deep density to serve the invaders. 

 

 

Perhaps, the Earth would not in fact have to disappear as a Matrix, but just the negative overlays, frequency fences, controlled perceptions etc. removed, and invaders expelled forever.   I am dreaming perhaps, but is this the world we could possibly have BACK if we can climb out of this deception en mass, wake up, and take back our power, properly reconnected with Source and our original creators. 

 

This was not always my world view.  I expanded my conceptual framework after I was introduced to the ES body of work, as quoted above in my original post.  If there is truth in the revealed history brought to light, then Icke might find it interesting to ponder.  Easy reading it is not.  Do I believe all of it, no.  But the history part is fascinating.  

 

Can you estimate when this hypothetical golden age started and finished, and how does it fit in with the carnivorous animals and parasites that have been on Earth for millennia?

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Can you estimate when this hypothetical golden age started and finished, and how does it fit in with the carnivorous animals and parasites that have been on Earth for millennia?

 

No.  This hasn’t been part of my discussions.  

 

Further on my topic, as I am re-reading the book I found a passage on pg 106. where Icke seems to be talking about the simulation as being an overlay over the original project .....(using my terms not his).

 

”...but isn’t what Lovelock describes perfectly explainable by AI as an interconnected and interacting system run by software?  An Earth spirit as PRIME EARTH? Okay, I can go with that.  With simulated Earth? I don’t think so.  Is the spirit of Prime Earth seeking to influence us through simulated Earth?  Very possible and maybe, as with nature, that is what people feel when they talk of connecting with the Earth and Gaia. Prime Earth reality shares the same ‘space’ as the simulation and is only a different frequency away.  WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT A COMING ‘NEW EARTH’ COULD THIS SYMBOLISE PRIME EARTH REAPPEARING THROUGH THE DISSOLVING OF THE SIMULATION?”

 

Exactly, IMO.  The overlay phantom reality is what is being imposed/perpetrated upon us.  The overlay / inversion / fake ‘simulated’ reality is what needs to be dissolved so we can get back to the Prime Earth as it was meant to be.  Even though we are close to being completely Borged here (assimilated by the AI ‘borg’) pieces and sparks of the original creation get through since it still occupies the same space.  

 

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On 11/16/2023 at 1:00 AM, FireFly9 said:
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(pg 46) "So if AI and the Simulation was switched off, then 3D would disappear along with the entirety of humanity. All that would remain is who we really are - the Divine Spark and Infinite Reality"

 

Perhaps, the Earth would not in fact have to disappear as a Matrix, but just the negative overlays, frequency fences, controlled perceptions etc. removed, and invaders expelled forever.   I am dreaming perhaps, but is this the world we could possibly have BACK if we can climb out of this deception en mass, wake up, and take back our power, properly reconnected with Source and our original creators. 


It is also my current understanding that there is a Prime Earth reality, hidden from our perception by a kind of overlay. So humanity and earth won't disappear at all when the Matrix is switched off, they will reappear in all their glory. Where did you get that quote from, "then 3D would disappear along with the entirety of humanity"? I don't remember this being in David's book The Dream?  (I only have the audio version, so I can't check on page 46).

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4 hours ago, QueenRia said:


It is also my current understanding that there is a Prime Earth reality, hidden from our perception by a kind of overlay. 

How do you measure earth? Prime, secondary? I guess that won't be enough. That there is much more could possibly be the case. The problem is that this is not aligned with the notions of the 21st century. A human consciousness would have to expand considerably to be able to mirror it. And then there is definitely something that has the last word in this case. There could be colossal amounts of flawed information. And that since the beginning. In the end, nothing will remain. Except that from the source..:classic_happy:

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55 minutes ago, Origin said:

How do you measure earth? Prime, secondary? I guess that won't be enough. That there is much more could possibly be the case. The problem is that this is not aligned with the notions of the 21st century. A human consciousness would have to expand considerably to be able to mirror it. And then there is definitely something that has the last word in this case. There could be colossal amounts of flawed information. And that since the beginning. In the end, nothing will remain. Except that from the source..:classic_happy:

 

I base my understanding on my own experiences and other people's experiences which confirm my own. The simulation/Prime Earth reality theory is the best theory I have come across to explain said experiences. 

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1 hour ago, QueenRia said:

 

I base my understanding on my own experiences and other people's experiences which confirm my own. The simulation/Prime Earth reality theory is the best theory I have come across to explain said experiences. 

And what would be the dimensions of the known earth? Do you define it as a local construct? 

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