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Israel is targeting thousands of children with laser-guided GBU28 bunker-buster missiles, fired from F15 Eagles, provided by the USA. The death toll is immeasurable and the injuries are horrific, but worse, there is no medication left to alleviate the agony, or family members remaining, to offer comfort to the maimed and dying.

 

Home Secretary Braverman has family members serving in the IDF who are destroying roads to impede the delivery of aid to Gaza and also attacking the convoys. They have bombed fishing boats, grain stores and bakeries to ensure there is no form of food sustenance and the only drinking water available is contaminated.

 

They are also using internationally banned white phosphorus, considered an incendiary weapon under Protocol III of the Convention on the Prohibition of Use of Certain Conventional Weapons. The protocol prohibits using this weapon against military targets located among civilians, although Israel has not signed it.

 

As these crimes against humanity mount, the hysterical calls for genocide increase from the belligerent Israeli regime, using ancient Bible quotes as justification. Smite Amalek and “thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.” That is clearly the objective of operation ‘Swords of Iron’ and "the chosen" are given impunity.

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14 hours ago, Velma said:

Israel is targeting thousands of children with laser-guided GBU28 bunker-buster missiles, fired from F15 Eagles, provided by the USA. The death toll is immeasurable and the injuries are horrific, but worse, there is no medication left to alleviate the agony, or family members remaining, to offer comfort to the maimed and dying.

 

Home Secretary Braverman has family members serving in the IDF who are destroying roads to impede the delivery of aid to Gaza and also attacking the convoys. They have bombed fishing boats, grain stores and bakeries to ensure there is no form of food sustenance and the only drinking water available is contaminated.

 

They are also using internationally banned white phosphorus, considered an incendiary weapon under Protocol III of the Convention on the Prohibition of Use of Certain Conventional Weapons. The protocol prohibits using this weapon against military targets located among civilians, although Israel has not signed it.

 

As these crimes against humanity mount, the hysterical calls for genocide increase from the belligerent Israeli regime, using ancient Bible quotes as justification. Smite Amalek and “thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.” That is clearly the objective of operation ‘Swords of Iron’ and "the chosen" are given impunity.

I think your losing the plot,  are you really believing the Hamas propaganda?

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2 hours ago, Velma said:

 

Do tell me "the plot" or is this more Harsbara?

 

Eh? what are you on about.

Another made up conflict and your taking sides ffs.

Once upon a time the DI forum was full of folk that understood what was being planed  by the PTB and now its made off idiots who believe the mainstream media and think the whole thing is not pre planed.

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5 minutes ago, TheDawg said:

 

Eh? what are you on about.

Another made up conflict and your taking sides ffs.

Once upon a time the DI forum was full of folk that understood what was being planed  by the PTB and now its made off idiots who believe the mainstream media and think the whole thing is not pre planed.

Are the Zionists fullfiling a biblical prophecy? Don t know. Are thousands of palestenians being flown to USA/Europe (Monkey.werx)? Don't know. Are we being divided? Yes for sure.

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Has David Icke played a part -- whether consciously or inadvertently -- in promoting anti-Israel bias over the years? Based on his writings alone, I think it's safe to say that he has; a man who has even been known to cite Al-Jazeera -- that exceptionally biased propaganda machine -- as if it were a credible and reliable news source. Granted, Icke will often use the couched term Zionism when speaking of Israel, perhaps as a euphemistic way of communicating where it is he stands on the Israel-Palestine decades-long conflict.

 

Funny then, that in one of his recent videocasts, in the context of discussing the current Israel-Hamas situation, he encourages viewers not to take sides in this divisive, polarizing debate. Now, we mustn't. How convenient.

 

To a large degree, at least in theory anyway, I would agree with this level-headed and circumspect sentiment. The globalists, after all, are the ones pulling the strings (just as banking cartels fund both sides of wars and make a hefty profit from their dual financing), and just as in the U.S. the Deep State controls both major political parties.

 

On one level, then, this neutrality-encouraging sentiment is so very true, and I would even take it one step further and add that it's the 'principalities' of whom peoples and nations are ultimately under the control of, and the force of which operates behind the scenes of territorial/religious conflicts of this magnitude and nature. Why, these 'rulers of the air' are probably munching on popcorn at this very moment and loving every minute watching both sides duke it out. Wars and fighting are nothing but entertainment for them -- theater, if you will.

 

We shouldn't take sides, so we are encouraged, and yet for close to two decades now, Icke has been highly critical of Zionism, if not the very existence of the state of Israel, and now this encouragement from him for us to not take sides and for us to be able to see the bigger picture, which all sounds so very noble -- however impractical, away from one's comfortable armchair and while living in the real world.

 

Curious, then, that in this recent videocast, Icke speaks of politics serving as a distraction (on one level it is), and yet ever since the publication of Everything You Need To Know But Have Never Been Told he's ranted on and on about the purported evils of Zionism and its alleged conspiratorial role in (Middle Eastern) geopolitics.

 

Elsewhere in this videocast, after noting how distracting (meaning, I think, divisive) a force politics can be, at one point he slips in the passing -- and quite outlandish -- remark of how Israel funded into being Hamas. Why use the term 'Israel' if what you really mean are those who control Israel? Is this also not an example of Icke expressing a political opinion, and doesn't this only serve to add to the anti-Israel bias of so many who tune in to his videocast? So according to this 'logic,' Israel is to be blamed for Hamas too!

 

The point of this post is not to point out how two communist superpowers -- in Russia and China -- side with Palestine, nor to get into a debate as to the origins of Hamas, but suffice to say Hamas bears all the characteristics of exported (anti-Western) Wahhabism and thus it should be of no surprise that this terrorist organization has been in large part funded by the Saudis. Yes, Saudi Arabia (not Israel), where mere secularism is considered a form of 'aggression' against Islam. Never mind, also, that Hamas are rejectionists, who would like very much to see the Nation of Israel erased from the world map (as it is being reported China has done on paper), so how can it be that Israel would want to fund their arguably number-one enemy? Counterproductive being the operative word here.

 

We are not to take sides, like Icke who over the past two decades has written and spoken very little if nothing of the countless atrocities and human rights abuses committed by other Middle Eastern lands surrounding Israel, all the while railing against Israel/Zionism almost continually, and whose vocal (and on the surface, one-sided) geopolitical position has doubtless been a huge influence on the minds of many among his most passionate admirers.

 

So it is that to some degree, it seems, even the most subterranean of Red Pillers is political on a five-sense or superficial level -- whether consciously or unknowingly. And with that said, allow me to be upfront and say that I am pro-Israel. This I state, fully aware, however, that Israel has been taken over by a corrupt fifth column, similar to how the United States is controlled by a Shadow Government, one that has committed evils in the name of America.

 

I am also fully mindful of the fact that the greatest imperialist, expansionist, oppressive, conquering power the world has ever seen throughout the past millennium has been the Islamic Empire, and based on what is being observed in the alarming numbers of pro-Hamas supporters/apologists turning up for rallies in Western countries, an argument could be made that said Empire is very much alive and thriving, if only stealthily so.

 

How disappointing and worrisome it is, then, for a Westerner to read of radical leftists and groups like the Palestinian Youth Movement protesting in Canadian cities, and student bodies equally anti-Israel, spreading twisted (Saudi-inspired) propaganda. Israelis/Zionists are the farthest thing from my mind as I read these accounts, and it's enough to make you wonder how well read these brainwashed 'useful idiots' are, how much they know of history, the character of Mohammed the founder, and the objectives -- not of Zionism, but of Islamism. Then again, maybe they know exactly what they're up to and are simply all for sharia tyranny.

 

On a positive note, if there is one upside to all this, it's that it has caused pro-Hamas supporters to come out of the woodwork where hitherto they've been generally lurking; a stark revealing of themselves, this presence enough to arouse the attention and concern of various anti-terrorist watchdog agencies and groups, who are now being made aware of these wolves operating within our midst. Hopefully, this leads to a concerted effort aimed at lawfully cracking down on these terrorist sympathizers, before these largely imported, infiltrative ideologues go about spreading their warped messaging and often outright anti-Semitic rhetoric across the free world even more so and before it's too late.

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This thread alone (as with the DIF in general) is so glaringly lop-sided in favor of Palestine/Hamas (maybe it's an inverted, Islamicized Europe thing?) that to even question what appears to be the preferred forum narrative or to side with Israel you're thought of and/or labelled a 'troll' and/or a 'shill' for Hasbara. This convenient tactic is highly unfair and is group-think taken to the nth degree. (And to think there are those who say "Ziontology" is a cult!) All this hyperbolic nonsense about the Palestinians being the victims of 'genocide' is propaganda designed to stir up emotional support for Palestine and to demonize Israel, as is all this talk of pro-Palestinian rallies supposedly being condemned by Western governments (like the one Ezra Levant recently attended and covered in the UK, which was featured on his podcast?). Quite the opposite case here in Canada!

 

For a cogent analysis of the Israel-Hamas conflict or more specifically the twisted rhetoric emanating forth from those who side with Hamas, a refreshing online piece I came across in recent days is by Victor Davis Hanson, titled "One Sick War," published on November 2, 2023.

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2 hours ago, Hegel Schmegel said:

This thread alone (as with the DIF in general) is so glaringly lop-sided in favor of Palestine/Hamas (maybe it's an inverted, Islamicized Europe thing?) that to even question what appears to be the preferred forum narrative or to side with Israel you're thought of and/or labelled a 'troll' and/or a 'shill' for Hasbara. This convenient tactic is highly unfair and is group-think taken to the nth degree.

MOD NOTE: Not meant to comment on mod process but in the case above there was more to it than just one post.

 

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3 hours ago, Hegel Schmegel said:

This thread alone (as with the DIF in general) is so glaringly lop-sided in favor of Palestine/Hamas (maybe it's an inverted, Islamicized Europe thing?) that to even question what appears to be the preferred forum narrative or to side with Israel you're thought of and/or labelled a 'troll' and/or a 'shill' for Hasbara. This convenient tactic is highly unfair and is group-think taken to the nth degree. (And to think there are those who say "Ziontology" is a cult!) All this hyperbolic nonsense about the Palestinians being the victims of 'genocide' is propaganda designed to stir up emotional support for Palestine and to demonize Israel, as is all this talk of pro-Palestinian rallies supposedly being condemned by Western governments (like the one Ezra Levant recently attended and covered in the UK, which was featured on his podcast?). Quite the opposite case here in Canada!

 

For a cogent analysis of the Israel-Hamas conflict or more specifically the twisted rhetoric emanating forth from those who side with Hamas, a refreshing online piece I came across in recent days is by Victor Davis Hanson, titled "One Sick War," published on November 2, 2023.

 

The Israel/Palestine situation does generate a lot of emotions, more than other wars. A combination of media coverage, religion and history seems to lead to emotional identification with the "holy land", which clouds our reason and makes it more difficult to approach this in an unbiased way. 

I'm what you might call a Little Englander politically, almost an isolationist,  and "taking sides" at the level of a whole foreign country is a very blunt instrument; when you look within any country there's a mixture of sides and factions and it's very complex. For example, the last election in the Gaza strip was in 2006 when Hamas came to power, so for whatever reasons the Gazan Palestinians haven't been able to choose their government for 17 years and are effectively living in a dictatorship. So I have no idea what the ordinary Palestinians want politically in order to decide whether to support them or not beyond a basic humanitarian wish for them to have a decent quality of life. Israeli politics is likewise a complex picture and what it looks like to me is two cultures each wanting their own ethnostate in a small patch of land (about the size of Wales). 

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On 11/10/2023 at 7:01 PM, TheDawg said:

 

Eh? what are you on about.

Another made up conflict and your taking sides ffs.

Once upon a time the DI forum was full of folk that understood what was being planed  by the PTB and now its made off idiots who believe the mainstream media and think the whole thing is not pre planed.

 

Obviously it is all pre-planned, that's why it's called "The Long Range Plan."

 

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Unknown

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On 11/11/2023 at 4:43 PM, Hegel Schmegel said:

This thread alone (as with the DIF in general) is so glaringly lop-sided in favor of Palestine/Hamas (maybe it's an inverted, Islamicized Europe thing?)

 

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Israel claims to be a “light unto the nations” by perversely, switching the lights off and shutting down communications in an effort to hide its inhumane atrocities from the world. They failed! So, they blame Hamas, that is their excuse, Hamas is responsible for every civilian the IDF has killed, over 11,000 to date. That means for every “militant” Israel has “neutralized” they have murdered a hundred innocent people. This has ceased to be “collateral damage” and become genocide.

 

Israel believes it has now assumed its destiny, to rule the world with an iron fist. They have been ignoring UN resolutions for decades without sanction and now claim that such international organisations are biased and irrelevant. They are a law unto themselves and answer to no-one. Western leaders reiterate their pleas for Israel to act within the bounds of international law and minimize civilian casualties, neither of which they are doing… and the silence is still deafening.

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1 hour ago, Velma said:

Israel claims to be a “light unto the nations” by perversely, switching the lights off and shutting down communications in an effort to hide its inhumane atrocities from the world. They failed! So, they blame Hamas, that is their excuse, Hamas is responsible for every civilian the IDF has killed, over 11,000 to date. That means for every “militant” Israel has “neutralized” they have murdered a hundred innocent people. This has ceased to be “collateral damage” and become genocide.

 

Israel believes it has now assumed its destiny, to rule the world with an iron fist. They have been ignoring UN resolutions for decades without sanction and now claim that such international organisations are biased and irrelevant. They are a law unto themselves and answer to no-one. Western leaders reiterate their pleas for Israel to act within the bounds of international law and minimize civilian casualties, neither of which they are doing… and the silence is still deafening.

 

This is a very unequal war for sure. On the Palestinian side, you're mentioning Hamas by name as the combatants and presumably the bulk of ordinary civilians are innocent bystanders who have the misfortune to be born into a chronic conflict zone. 

 

On the other side, you're calling out Israel which is the whole country. Is that what you mean, or could there be a controlling faction which are the aggressors and we should be saying "not all Israelis" are responsible for atrocity? Israel does claim itself to be the only well functioning democracy in the middle east which means we need to look at who votes for whom, but they also have conscription into the IDF if I remember correctly so it could be their young people are put into fighting the war whether they want to or not. 

 

David Icke talks about the Sabbatean Frankists who are the unelected cabal behind this and other agendas. I'm not so well informed on this as people like him, but if we're to avoid stirring up more divide and rule conflict should we be calling out who are the string pullers and who are the pawns? If the ordinary Israelis and ordinary Palestinians could see where the evil originates maybe they'd be more willing to accept each other as neighbours peacefully. 

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