Stan Evans Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Isn't Earthly love meaningless if it is all a simulation and we don't really exist? If our feelings of love are from either brain activity (whatever that means when the brain is not real) or some false "spiritual" connection associated with the reincarnation trap, how can it have any real value? Many people, including me, have believed reincarnation was a way to reconnect with fellow beings who have died – for example, loving a family member or a beloved pet and wanting to be with them again – as well as being a verification of the existance of an afterlife, as against religious beliefs which offer no proof and can't even stand up to logical questions. If reincarnation is in fact a trap to prevent us going somewhere better and any apparently reincarnated beings are AI generated holograms or whatever, what is the meaning or value or purpose of any experience in this world? To me, it makes all love, compassion and caring no more valid than apparent experiences in regular dreams during sleep. All I feel from trying to understand David Icke's explanations is that everything is pointless and without value or hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamingeagle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 58 minutes ago, Stan Evans said: Isn't Earthly love meaningless no,it's the oposite infact!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Grapes Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 He doesn't say that we don't exist, just that this realm is not the only one. If anything, we need love here more than we need it elsewhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) As an Experiencer, I know very well that it is a kind of simulation. But I wouldn't really pay much attention to human attempts to explain what we are. Love is something that is on the human spectrum of understanding. Trap or not we are all here to figure something out. Ourselves. No one needs to delude themselves that they are here for no reason. In order to understand, it is necessary to experience. Since the other side is of an unprecedented level of development, most of us do not yet understand. That which is interpreted as love from the other side is in reality understanding. Those who can overcome all the cults and belief systems will find that it becomes a real way of communication. It shares information and you become more and more similar to it. It could be that human existence is very limited. Edited September 25, 2023 by Origin 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you are speaking of love as an emotion. This type of love is of the separate self and is conditional upon xyz occuring. My definition of love is, it's not an emotion. It is synonymous with the quality of peace. It is a property of existence, shining ever brightly in the background of all experience. It is a quality of your true nature and is accessible 24/7 regardless of your experience or how you think or feel. It is not dependent on any of these. Think key word used about reincarnation is belief. It maybe better to.focus on what we know and not believe. And reincarnation is just a belief. Because all things are created by consciousness. And the inherent quality of consciousness is love We could say creation, or existence is born out of love l, and as an extension, the purpose is to love. To do that which is your true nature. Love, create, create what you love. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbirss Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) on a physical scale, its not useless.... look at this emotion map Edited September 26, 2023 by shabbirss 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78ast78dgyad Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) On 9/26/2023 at 11:37 PM, shabbirss said: on a physical scale, its not useless.... look at this emotion map wow where is that image from got anymore like it? Edited October 2, 2023 by 78ast78dgyad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metak88 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, 78ast78dgyad said: wow where is that image from got anymore like it? https://web.archive.org/web/20131231223102/http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2013/12/30/body-atlas-reveals-where-we-feel-happiness-and-shame/ https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1321664111 https://www.pnas.org/doi/suppl/10.1073/pnas.1321664111/suppl_file/pnas.201321664si.pdf 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbirss Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 4 hours ago, 78ast78dgyad said: wow where is that image from got anymore like it? @78ast78dgyad it's all energy check my thread here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 That is the realm of dreams created for human beings. Nothing matches that from the other side. Words, definitions, everything is flawed. Not one design was translated correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78ast78dgyad Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 1:06 PM, Stan Evans said: Isn't Earthly love meaningless if it is all a simulation and we don't really exist? If our feelings of love are from either brain activity (whatever that means when the brain is not real) or some false "spiritual" connection associated with the reincarnation trap, how can it have any real value? Many people, including me, have believed reincarnation was a way to reconnect with fellow beings who have died – for example, loving a family member or a beloved pet and wanting to be with them again – as well as being a verification of the existance of an afterlife, as against religious beliefs which offer no proof and can't even stand up to logical questions. If reincarnation is in fact a trap to prevent us going somewhere better and any apparently reincarnated beings are AI generated holograms or whatever, what is the meaning or value or purpose of any experience in this world? To me, it makes all love, compassion and caring no more valid than apparent experiences in regular dreams during sleep. All I feel from trying to understand David Icke's explanations is that everything is pointless and without value or hope. Let's consider the opposite Let's say a person kills hundred of millions of people - Is this meaningless and pointless? Will it have any significance of any kind or any meaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terra Infinitia Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 This appears so, but is it really so? In reality, everything is some form of connection. Try to exist without relationship. I mean, you exist, right? Can your body exist without an environment? Don't you need concepts and things to create even that thought "I and other". To the ego, which I would affectionately call the belief in separation, the belief that things don't exist in relationship, of course reality is scary. There's nothing you have to gain, nothing to take for meaning! But, as always, you are asking these questions. What part of you is asking this? Clearly something in you is seemingly without reason curious to know reality. Why shouldn't this form of love be equal to relationships. By all means, grieve, feel, and experience, but there is another way to relate. You don't need to call your likes by all these names. You can just like something! I hope this has helped. I am also dealing with a lot of feeling inadequate and trying to find ways to justify my actions so as to feel I am doing things well. Pretty much always once you learn a bit of self-love and courage, you need to realize: The state of reality is not a human species of love submitting itself into the hands of a violent Gods. It is the state of entities in the universe that are unloving and unwise slowly submitting themselves to the will of a loving God. Love you friend! I always say this to anyone I can. If I may say something on the edge of this discussion's scope, think of how a smile can affect someone. Indeed, what is it to give love? Someone on the street is sad and has not been loved in years, yet suddenly one day you walk by and smile. They ask for help with directions since you reflect to them the courage in them to do so. They ask, and you answer like a good friend. That someone may not have felt seen for a very long time. Your smiles and small acts are like miracles, like sparks of light onto a powder keg. Every day as you pray and give you change the world through that being alone. Remember that. If you will, when ego comes knocking and saying "life is meaningless", just keep quiet and remember this. "I am changing the world through love, for I choose faith in this truth." Love is the strongest protection in the universe. The only true lasting peace is fortunately the peace of love. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atenea Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Love just is. You can't reason with the human mind or find mental solutions to mental questions. But when you fall asleep or when you are quiet, you realise that you are, you exist. This is the very essence of love and existence. It's the ultimate thing, the spark of creation, it is that which just is, underlying everything else, including evil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Evans Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 I appreciate people giving their views about the meaning and value of love in relation to the idea of everything being a simulation. I admit to not fully understanding some of the explanations, but they do show how people care about finding the truth of our existance and of life itself. “Mr H” says love is not an emotion. This suggests love is not associated with our “physical” being or physiology – ie. brain, heart, hormones, etc. - but is from outside us. Some people do seem to have felt love without it being one of the many forms of love that we usually refer to: romantic, sexual love; parents' love of their children; childrens' love of parents; love of friends, love of pets, love of music, literature, art, nature, sport, etc.; love of a lifestyle; love of God. I don't know how to find the sort of love that covers everyone and everything but is not from my physical being. On the other hand “shabbirss” has an emotion map that shows love as illuminating emotion in the body more than any other feeling does. “78ast78dgyad” makes a valid point: “Let's say a person kills hundred of millions of people - Is this meaningless and pointless? Will it have any significance of any kind or any meaning?” This has been a troubling problem for me for a long time and is a key issue in my trying to make sense of life and love: Obviously, it must have significance and it concerns me in regard to treatment of humans (especially in such cases as the Holocaust and similar horrors) and to treatment of animals (factory farms, abattoirs, vivisection, and many other forms of cruelty). But if humans and other beings are not real, physical entities and it is all a dream ,does this make our empathy and sympathy just the result of mistaken imagination? I can't accept suffering to be unimportant and I can't accept that all beings are not physical. If we are just an experience of a higher awareness, why do we need the complex biological makeup of brain, heart, digestive system, DNA. chromosomes, genes and so on. Why are we conceived from sperm and eggs, instead of just appearing to exist (as in a dream), and when we die, why does our body not disappear instead of decomposing by other biological processes? Is our dead body still an experience of a higher awareness? Also, with regard to animals, which seem to be largely ignored in this explanation of life, are they deemed to be just a part of the simulation or do they have a similar existancs to ourselves? I would say the latter, considering they have the same biological processes and needs (in birth, life and death) as humans do. So, do they too have a higher awareness that is experiencing an imaginary life on Earth? That DNA shows a connection between species, including the great apes sharing 98% of human DNA, must have relevance to the close connection between humans and animals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted August 13, 2024 Share Posted August 13, 2024 I think it belongs here..Something to think about. This was a reddit post from yesterday and I knew they would disappear. I stole the most important four out of eight. As always, the system does not like Experiencer. It recognizes every piece of information. A huge number of things disappear from youtube, reddit, everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted August 13, 2024 Share Posted August 13, 2024 On 11/12/2023 at 12:16 PM, Stan Evans said: I appreciate people giving their views about the meaning and value of love in relation to the idea of everything being a simulation. I admit to not fully understanding some of the explanations, but they do show how people care about finding the truth of our existance and of life itself. “Mr H” says love is not an emotion. This suggests love is not associated with our “physical” being or physiology – ie. brain, heart, hormones, etc. - but is from outside us. Some people do seem to have felt love without it being one of the many forms of love that we usually refer to: romantic, sexual love; parents' love of their children; childrens' love of parents; love of friends, love of pets, love of music, literature, art, nature, sport, etc.; love of a lifestyle; love of God. I don't know how to find the sort of love that covers everyone and everything but is not from my physical being. To clarify. There is the conventional notion of love as an emotion. I would say the best description of that type of love is by the ancient Greeks.... But if you break it down it's essentially chemical reactions and addictions and these occur in an illusory body mind. Are temporary. Without these chemicals you wouldn't feel love. So it's a type of dependency which for me is in contradistinction to the meaning of love. That's why I provided an alternative meaning earlier. Along the lines of, love is given freely and not dependent on anything, it is the reason for creation. We are creation, therefore we are love. It's part of existence. But not to be confused with exhilarating chemical highs etc more synonymous with peace etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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