You cannot know yourself by thought

[Mr H]

I experience a lot of folks on the spiritual path who have been practising for years, but never experience ever lasting peace and operate from ego.

 

Key word being practice

 

Problem I have noticed for many seekers is that they seek out a guru. Listen to what they say, then try and interpret and practice via mind.

 

This will keep you trapped in mind. Being in mind is humanity s first addiction.

 

Mind cannot tell you anything about yourself. Yourself is the witness of the experience of mind not vis a versa.

 

True understanding is not by mind. It is by knowing.

 

Even though knowing is our primary experience, we confuse our self with the lure of mind. Just knowingly, continually practise being in knowing (experience prior to mind arising) and you will see a shift towards peace

 

Look beyond mind to find peace

[Mr H]

Reacquaint yourself with knowing and experience peace...

[atenea]

On 8/27/2023 at 7:45 PM, Mr H said:

I experience a lot of folks on the spiritual path who have been practising for years, but never experience ever lasting peace and operate from ego.

 

Key word being practice

 

Problem I have noticed for many seekers is that they seek out a guru. Listen to what they say, then try and interpret and practice via mind.

 

This will keep you trapped in mind. Being in mind is humanity s first addiction.

 

Mind cannot tell you anything about yourself. Yourself is the witness of the experience of mind not vis a versa.

 

True understanding is not by mind. It is by knowing.

 

Even though knowing is our primary experience, we confuse our self with the lure of mind. Just knowingly, continually practise being in knowing (experience prior to mind arising) and you will see a shift towards peace

 

Look beyond mind to find peace

By Knowing are you meaning heart energy, as opposed to mind? I understand it this way. Truth is heart energy (love).

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, atenea said:

By Knowing are you meaning heart energy, as opposed to mind? I understand it this way. Truth is heart energy (love).

From the perspective of the human. Some may find access to knowing resides in the heart.

 

I would describe it as, it is your primary experience. With which, all other experience is known. It is the only thing that is essential to you, everything else comes and goes. It is never born and can never die, for something would need to be present to know this experience which would have to be knowing. It is that which all experience is made. Other names may be universe, god , the Dao etc ......

[Certified Green of Heart]

if anyone is interested this woman Anna Brown, has some truly excellent videos which can easily be said to cover this sort of subject... and by which you KNOOOOOOW what she is saying makes sense, much like when your heart knows something, but your mind is not always listening due to distractions like mind chatter or mindless distractions etc...

This woman is on point with EVERYTHING I have heard her say so far in the small time in which I have "known" (listened) to her....  I began to listen to her just 10 days to go to bridge the couple of months ago that began (bridge= that implying at my first serious take note date from 9th & 10th of July) so where that sits with todays' date, and from the off, that got me transfixed -especially in my first view of her- and NO REGRETS / NONE!!!! ~~ I felt a completely genuine NEED TO HEAR HER SPEAK, which in regards to me was AN UNPRETENTIOUS WAY by which I was listening, BUT HOOKED you could say nevertheless, but that's all good AS IT IS LITERALLY = ALL GOOD  so if you have not been acquainted yet, then please be sure to!

https://www.youtube.com/@AnnaBrown  She can be swift in some of her words & tone, but this is necessary to grab your attention sometimes, or at least for
the people not so good at giving their full attention.... and well, she certainly doesn't mumble any of her messages nor mince any of her super wise (and unpretentious) words!

Listen you surely will to this blessed one talk with a no messing approach and w/o un-necessary deviations from her core topic(s), where for to speak in a lot of her videos, we see our hearts are absolutely the place where it's at, and understandably too from where we should radiate out when we feel ready, but as Anna reminds us a lot (or similar to what I say at least) >> it helps a great deal to have a sense of ourselves (however we manifest or JUST BE) on our *inside* of course, and therefore best to consider that before anchoring too much to the outside world of illusion or half-truths. 

 

Eta, my comment broadening out the subject a little....... So, whatever we mean by a "sense of ourselves", I must say as like an after thought (but which I already knew having thought many times in my life about such things through DEEP THOUGHT or FEELING (equally valid) my way into UNKNOWN territory let's say), but which in any case (ie, we can be dowdy yet mildly awake some people maybe that is to say) and to further that sometimes "the knowing"  (from loosely within, deeply within, and sometimes translated for public gumption, and hoping a spark hits home with whomever) whereby the scenario of asking of ourselves is aided (& sometimes answered, ahem!) by others, and as long as it happens organically and does not cause excessive fear to feel okay about being open, but look in general is a start for where comes the magic, which can* sometimes in our lives as is inevitable anyway- can* require to have a sense of others in order to really shine a light on ourselves in the process as long as we are being honest (as we dare) about stuff, then whom likewise understand us as we hope we do unto them get the gist...

So that is sometimes a sense of unspoken knowing sometimes, and at other times where less clarity exists, then more like a hazy, dizzying mix of what we just assume= (is or ought be etc?) sometimes thus, as opposed to what we can and do KNOW for other occasions, but many of us don't really express too much of ourselves, or even take the time to understand for OUR OWN sake even so a constant shroud exists between a hell of a lot of people therefore without chancing to open up some. and if not taken care of  can be where exists the traversty of what apathy makes a home of instead or aka wherever your alleged or misattributed home is....... So to come away from that APATHY ~ it should be obvious the HEART leads to INFINITE better knowing, so, best that [HOME] be of stuff made of whatever & wherever your heart is. 

I don't necessarily say this is always cognition-less (existing as backup tool for life - that's why we have an analytical brain, not just a sensory or emotional one) as in to suggest never involving the mind, but SURE I will agree where TO the pure, it then becomes plain to see, and TO FEEL, what the HEART SENSES, that what in essence is of pure light or of pure being by some context, then absolutely yes, the HEART knows.....

Edited August 30, 2023 by Certified Green of Heart

[Certified Green of Heart]

SLIGHT REHASH for edit reassertion in general on this PARAGRAPH , then a footnote below that... Enjoy!!

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I don't necessarily say this is always cognition-less ~ as in to suggest never involving the mind, but at it's core. we all know what we prefer for our spirit deep down...... Meanwhile (for good or for bad) our minds can be thought of as a backup set of tools for life but in modern living that stuff too readily comes before heart sadly until something hits us hard and we wake up - that's why we have NOT ONLY an analytical brain, AND also NOT ONLY just a sensory or emotional one . . . . but SURE at the CORE of us AS SPIRITUAL BEINGS seeing the light, that right there is where things truly do change, where TO the pure or in respect of that at least, it then becomes plain to see, and TO FEEL, what the HEART SENSES, that what in essence is of pure light or of pure being by some context, then absolutely yes, the HEART knows.....

 

Eta 2, I saw a guy recently just walking opposite direction along my street (probaby from out of town if I had to guess), and what was on the back of his jacket but the words => "Make Money, Not Friends"....... Errrr, no. I get it but no!... Friends CAN suck, people most often DO suck, but at the end of the day you have to **rise above** money!!

[Certified Green of Heart]

If you're happy to have this here MR H, I just reminded myself of this one (unlinked by me) by pulling up her channel for my above post and on came her Lungs of the Heart video (heart meditation) I remember viewing not long ago.

 

From it, she straight away says in the first line of the video I just called attention to and here succinctly come the words at us-->  "an *organic* reality is a *feeling* reality"... 

So it really doesn't get any more simple, by how we can word certain baseline assumptions to paraphrase like that which really just point to common sense, like that^^^ does^^^....
However, as I have said in another post somewhere not long ago, the heart is a little more sophisticated (times X a lot) than some people seem to think.... So anyways, just a quick example of her style of talk and what you might hear her say ...... She is not a dramatist btw, don't mistake her for that, because when you see two or more of her videos you will understand just how genuine and open her passion really is, and that's why she comes across as she does which you can quickly adapt to I think and feel connected but not fettered by any attachment either way.  She just is what she is, and if you want to know "who you really are"< well then she has videos for that too, one with that exact same title as it goes. Enjoy!!

Edited August 30, 2023 by Certified Green of Heart

[Certified Green of Heart]

To deviate or Not to deviate ....To accept the status quo... Or Not Accept the status quo... both in your mind and in reality. But remember reality begins in the mind to begin with.

 

To let consciousness be helped by subconsciousness, like having your own private mentor, otherwise known as God.

 

It's your choice. I say Deviate, by exploring what your subconscious has to offer (in a way which is above all honorable to yourself)... Have discipline too, but don't be overly confined.

 

If you are the kind of person that cannot take a moment to remember a dream when waking in the morning (that may have important significance and meaning or even just casual clues), you are unlikely to know subconsciousness either.... There endeth the dream, and stays in the realm confined to just your head but what use is that if you don't heeeed/ acknowledge, what even TO YOURSELF that is trying to tell you/ anybody!.

 

Your subconsciousness ddesn't have to dominate your consciousness all the time, for a person to benefit... but to have an open channel with it in mind and to preferably put into practice somehow will allow ways in which you can influence the way you live out in the world... And indeed how you think!

 

We see then changes for the better...

Edited September 3, 2023 by Certified Green of Heart

[Terra Infinitia]

Beautiful.

 

So often we feel that we are on this spiritual path and trying to dream our way out of the world.

 

We attribute sooo many inverse qualities to reality unknowingly. "Reality is fake and I am the one that is going to find the truth."

 

We are already the truth. You can't teach someone how to be, you can just help the mind forget what it has learned and allow the truth of what life, the universe and everything (*cough* 42) is to manifest.

 

 

The universe is already abundant in whatever you wish for. Emptiness, wealth, relationships, or whatever you wish for.

 

You just have to give out that value. That is why love is so important in learning what you are.

 

By giving, which includes honesty, giving your true self, you open up to receive the true majesty of what you are.

 

 

You are like a man with a treasure chest in their basement that they have forgotten about, and that basement is giving and receiving.

 

If I may also speak on giving and receiving, though this is a bit out of scope, and as always, your choice and discernment's chance to shine, you give and receive either by just remembering yourself in meditation, yoga etc. (giving a higher frequency) or being authentic in any other way.