Can you love another?

[Mr H]

Question I am pondering.

 

What does it even mean?

 

My initial observations are there are two types of relationships. Conscious and unconscious.

 

A conscious relationship involves two conscious people. Conscious people are self fulfilled and lack for nothing. They engage in relationships to share their fulfillment and happiness. 

 

Unconscious people feel a sense of lack, and try to fulfill that lack in another. It is like a service level agreement. I need you to make me happy, have baby, pay my bills, have sex, make me laugh etc etc. Take these things away or fail to provide the service and the relationship ends. It's more to do with what you can do for me. 

 

In both cases I wonder whether there is love for the other person involved in the relationship and what that even means?

 

 

[peter]

4 hours ago, Mr H said:

Question I am pondering.

 

What does it even mean?

 

My initial observations are there are two types of relationships. Conscious and unconscious.

 

A conscious relationship involves two conscious people. Conscious people are self fulfilled and lack for nothing. They engage in relationships to share their fulfillment and happiness. 

 

Unconscious people feel a sense of lack, and try to fulfill that lack in another. It is like a service level agreement. I need you to make me happy, have baby, pay my bills, have sex, make me laugh etc etc. Take these things away or fail to provide the service and the relationship ends. It's more to do with what you can do for me. 

 

In both cases I wonder whether there is love for the other person involved in the relationship and what that even means?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there is two types of relationships as you put it ,that could be the reason why some end in divorce and others don't, however I feel your statement above is a rather simplistic as there is a plethora of circumstances that can effect a relationship , race, religion, cultural norms , sexual promiscuity etc etc etc etc.I think being conscious or unconscious as you put it is way down the list ,but that's just my opinion

 

[Mr H]

25 minutes ago, peter said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there is two types of relationships as you put it ,that could be the reason why some end in divorce and others don't, however I feel your statement above is a rather simplistic as there is a plethora of circumstances that can effect a relationship , race, religion, cultural norms , sexual promiscuity etc etc etc etc.I think being conscious or unconscious as you put it is way down the list ,but that's just my opinion

 

Yes you're right Peter. Thanks for broadening my perspective.

[The All Eye]

I think there are different levels of love.  You can be in love with another person and love humans as a whole...two different types.  You can also love animals, nature, objects, etc., but not how you would love another person.  True love, in my opinion, is when you find the same person that you have loved in past lives - soul mate.  I don't think you can give love a "blanket statement" because it is such a complex word.  As humans we cannot experience the love that is waiting for us after death when we return back to the Ultimate Consciousness or Pure Love...which most call God or Creator.  I believe we come from a single source that is pure love energy.  

[webtrekker]

People make the whole 'love' thing unnecessarily complicated.

 

Try this ...

 

Close your eyes during a quiet moment and imagine you are at the very end of your life, lying in your death-bed, with only moments left.

 

All of your loved ones have visited you and you now have one last remaining decision to make ...

 

Who's is the last face you wish to see before you're gone forever?

 

This is the person (or pet, even) that you love the most (whether you realise it, or not) and has meant the most to you in your life.

 

Now, open your eyes and treat this person with the respect they deserve.

 

That's what 'true' love is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captainlove]

2 hours ago, webtrekker said:

People make the whole 'love' thing unnecessarily complicated.

 

Try this ...

 

Close your eyes during a quiet moment and imagine you are at the very end of your life, lying in your death-bed, with only moments left.

 

All of your loved ones have visited you and you now have one last remaining decision to make ...

 

Who's is the last face you wish to see before you're gone forever?

 

This is the person (or pet, even) that you love the most (whether you realise it, or not) and has meant the most to you in your life.

 

Now, open your eyes and treat this person with the respect they deserve.

 

That's what 'true' love is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very well put.

[Captainlove]

I have been married for nearly 20 years and my wife is a  gem. Im lucky because she has always been there for me and me for her. I feel we have a connection we dont always see eye to eye but we both agreed completely on the convid scam. I have learnt there is no such thing as perfection and those looking for that will lose. Its about give and take thats for sure. 

Also i didnt settle down until i was about 28 so had played the field a bit before, i know for me this was important as i was fairly selfish when i was younger. As for your question Mr H i think everyone loves fully once with there real life partner, yes you can love again i guess but i think it wouldnt be as deep.

 

I always said you have to kiss alot of frogs before finding your princess.

[Macnamara]

What we want is one level but what about whether or not we have obligations that transcend our own wants and desires?

 

modern living is an illusion in the sense that people now generally don't live on the land and are removed from the production of the essentials of life. This creates the delusion in their mind that they can act however they want. This illusion has been propped up by money printing and exploitation of cheap foreign labour but its coming to an end.

 

The reality is that life is hard and requires certain attributes including compromise, tenacity, skills, know-how and hard work

 

To achieve the tasks of growing food, rearing livestock, grinding flour, making bread, making and mending clothes, making shelter, gathering stores for the winter and foraging your own medicinal herbs required a division of labour and a wide range of skillsets and knowledge. our ancestors were not one trick ponies; they could do many things.

 

But on top of those tasks is the task of pro-creating children and then raising those children to also have the necessary skills and knowledge for life. REALITY dictated that the best set up to achieve all of this was the partnership between a man and woman who created a household together. the wide range of tasks were divided up between the couple depending on their strengths and proclivities.

 

The man-woman team proved over many centuries to be a powerful force that sustained our species. This is why it is now under attack from globalist, transhumanists who are pushing for mass global depopulation and the merging of humans with machines.

 

So you can either go along with their agenda and likely be ground up under the wheels of their 'progress' or you can step outside of their system and to do that will require the re-embracing of a wider range of skillsets and knowledge and to team up with like-minded people who can share the load with you; the combination most likely to support that effort will imo be a male-female one....but pick the right one!

 

My wife glowed with an inner light that drew me to her. I'm not saying that in a shmaltzy sense....i mean it quite literally

Edited July 21, 2023 by Macnamara

[Mr H]

On 7/21/2023 at 4:09 AM, webtrekker said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/21/2023 at 7:06 AM, Macnamara said:

 

My wife glowed with an inner light that drew me to her. I'm not saying that in a shmaltzy sense....i mean it quite literally

That's one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.

 

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Edited July 22, 2023 by Mr H

[Mr H]

On 7/21/2023 at 7:06 AM, Macnamara said:

What we want is one level but what about whether or not we have obligations that transcend our own wants and desires?

 

modern living is an illusion in the sense that people now generally don't live on the land and are removed from the production of the essentials of life. This creates the delusion in their mind that they can act however they want. This illusion has been propped up by money printing and exploitation of cheap foreign labour but its coming to an end.

 

The reality is that life is hard and requires certain attributes including compromise, tenacity, skills, know-how and hard work

 

To achieve the tasks of growing food, rearing livestock, grinding flour, making bread, making and mending clothes, making shelter, gathering stores for the winter and foraging your own medicinal herbs required a division of labour and a wide range of skillsets and knowledge. our ancestors were not one trick ponies; they could do many things.

 

But on top of those tasks is the task of pro-creating children and then raising those children to also have the necessary skills and knowledge for life. REALITY dictated that the best set up to achieve all of this was the partnership between a man and woman who created a household together. the wide range of tasks were divided up between the couple depending on their strengths and proclivities.

 

The man-woman team proved over many centuries to be a powerful force that sustained our species. This is why it is now under attack from globalist, transhumanists who are pushing for mass global depopulation and the merging of humans with machines.

 

So you can either go along with their agenda and likely be ground up under the wheels of their 'progress' or you can step outside of their system and to do that will require the re-embracing of a wider range of skillsets and knowledge and to team up with like-minded people who can share the load with you; the combination most likely to support that effort will imo be a male-female one....but pick the right one!

 

Past few months I've been living and observing with rural family and society in Peru.

 

What you mention rings true.

 

Partner, family is a necessity here. You couldn't survive without one. Where as a lot of relationships/love experience in the west seem to be orientated to sexual, and hyper sexual experiences a lot of the time.