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15 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

Fifty years ago, there was a point to Gay Pride. We needed to be in people's faces (no, not like that...) to get the same rights as others - like being considered next of kin when your partner was in hospital., not being sacked from a job because of what you did in bed and so on. These days, all that has been achieved and, if anything, "all that alphabet" has more rights than straight people - which is wrong. There is no point to Pride any more - it's just a stupid commercialised woke piece of nonsense like Mother's Day, Halloween or all the World "you name it" days.

Exactly, I've written numerous times before about how I'm all in favour of equality and 'equal rights' and all that.

 

But in recent years what we're seeing is that 'equality' has been replaced by 'diversity and inclusivity', which means that certain 'groups' are now seeking preferential treatment, at the expense of the 'majority'.

 

While on holiday around Cornwall last week, I found myself in Penzance on the Saturday while they were having their 'Pride' festival on the promenade. I didn't hang around for too long to be honest as it wasn't my thing, but what I did observe was that from what I could see, while there were a fair few shall we say "obvious lesbians", as well as a few people with 'pink hair' in wheelchairs, most of the people milling about were just 'ordinary' straight couples, as much as I could make out.

 

Maybe it was the wrong part of the country, but when a 'Pride' event attracts more  non-LGBT attendees than LBGT ones, then maybe you have to question what is really going on!

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Exactly, I've written numerous times before about how I'm all in favour of equality and 'equal rights' and all that.

 

But in recent years what we're seeing is that 'equality' has been replaced by 'diversity and inclusivity', which means that certain 'groups' are now seeking preferential treatment, at the expense of the 'majority'.

 

While on holiday around Cornwall last week, I found myself in Penzance on the Saturday while they were having their 'Pride' festival on the promenade. I didn't hang around for too long to be honest as it wasn't my thing, but what I did observe was that from what I could see, while there were a fair few shall we say "obvious lesbians", as well as a few people with 'pink hair' in wheelchairs, most of the people milling about were just 'ordinary' straight couples, as much as I could make out.

 

Maybe it was the wrong part of the country, but when a 'Pride' event attracts more  non-LGBT attendees than LBGT ones, then maybe you have to question what is really going on!

This is the same pattern of white versus black with a new label. Division and separation, rinse and repeat.

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8 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

It's funny you say that, because I was thinking the same thing, and it was something I was going to write about on my website!

 

I remember the whole 'Pride' thing about being 'proud to be gay' or something along those lines.

 

Now in recent years 'Pride' is all about 'proud of who you are', or something like that. And as the LGBT 'alphabet' expands, it encompasses ever more 'identities'.

 

It's more than a 'gay movement' now, it is welcoming and 'empowering' ever more what would be considered 'deviancies', ie that which is "considered not normal".

 

For the record, I have no problem with gay or lesbian people, if that's your thing then that's fine with me. They can have their day where they do what they do, and that doesn't bother me in the slightest, as long as I can choose not to be involved.

 

What does bother me, is the 'expectation' that 'non-LGBT+' persons should be expected to 'participate' in such Pride events, so as to be seen as being 'supportive' or 'an ally' of the movement.

 

I'm not a religious person, but there are lines that I will draw between what I consider to be 'morally appropriate behaviour'.

 

As I posted earlier in this thread, Huw Edwards may not have done anything 'legally' wrong, but I don't think it was anything that could be considered to be acceptable, decent or 'morally right'.

 

Is that something really to be 'proud' of?

 

 

 

I Concur,  i'm not a religious follower however i have taken time to digest religious scripture, in particular the New Testament Bible (of which i believe started as a basic guidebook for humanity but has been turned into a tool for the ruling classes to subjugate the masses via fear. Hence the most popular edition being *edited* by King James 1 in 1611.)
 The majority of the book is negligable in this conversation, however the moral behaviour part of the texts seem to ring true much of the time.
Regarding *pride* the Book says in Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit fall" 
 A personal interpretation of that would be 'keep your behaviour and ego in check, otherwise you're heading for a fall'
There's a possibility that occultic ritualistic practices could delay the inevitability of such, but the moral values printed in the texts are seen as laughable by much of todays society sadly.
 

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I also notice a lot of straight people at Pride events, which I found quite interesting. It seems as though part of this is that 'our' traditional, long established events are becoming smaller / limited, with 'new' rules and restrictions, perhaps blamed on security / safety / policing / insurance etc, and whether they are blocking roads, or creating traffic and hold ups.

 

Pride is increasing, and the ambulance/ fire / police vehicles are rainbow covered and the staff in uniform and 'rainbow get up',  are walking / parading in front of the vehicles, and so on. The shop fronts are decked in rainbow stickers, and more chain stores are getting in on this. I must say I find it quite sickening and intrusive.

 

I saw tonight on Euronews Pride events from around the world. 

 

I see that it's certainly gone from being gay pride to being this be proud of who you are / everyone is welcome and included and so on, where the lines are merging. I see what appears to be 'straight' families and children dressed in rainbow socks. 

 

Some of it may be any excuse for a party, but what about preserving the festivals and fetes that were already for everyone? The corporations and big event companies already want to take over some of these things, and take them out of the hands of the people, and to take away free events. I admit that this depends on where you live. 

 

I spoke to a nurse this week who told me that she feels as if the rainbow has been stolen, and that it used to remind her of one thing, and now it reminds her of another. I'm disappointed to see how many people in the NHS wear rainbow lanyards, and I saw one with a pin badge that said she / her. 

 

I'm just tired of the forced and financed agenda, and I often wish these people would stop 'selfishly' promoting themselves and perhaps put some effort into giving someone else a good day out, maybe the elderly or the disabled. 

 

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Just now, Observations said:

I also notice a lot of straight people at Pride events, which I found quite interesting. It seems as though part of this is that 'our' traditional, long established events are becoming smaller / limited, with 'new' rules and restrictions, perhaps blamed on security / safety / policing / insurance etc, and whether they are blocking roads, or creating traffic and hold ups.

 

Pride is increasing, and the ambulance/ fire / police vehicles are rainbow covered and the staff in uniform and 'rainbow get up',  are walking / parading in front of the vehicles, and so on. The shop fronts are decked in rainbow stickers, and more chain stores are getting in on this. I must say I find it quite sickening and intrusive.

 

I saw tonight on Euronews Pride events from around the world. 

 

I see that it's certainly gone from being gay pride to being this be proud of who you are / everyone is welcome and included and so on, where the lines are merging. I see what appears to be 'straight' families and children dressed in rainbow socks. 

 

Some of it may be any excuse for a party, but what about preserving the festivals and fetes that were already for everyone? The corporations and big event companies already want to take over some of these things, and take them out of the hands of the people, and to take away free events. I admit that this depends on where you live. 

 

I spoke to a nurse this week who told me that she feels as if the rainbow has been stolen, and that it used to remind her of one thing, and now it reminds her of another. I'm disappointed to see how many people in the NHS wear rainbow lanyards, and I saw one with a pin badge that said she / her. 

 

I'm just tired of the forced and financed agenda, and I often wish these people would stop 'selfishly' promoting themselves and perhaps put some effort into giving someone else a good day out, maybe the elderly or the disabled. 

 

Images program the mind faster and deeper than text. The rainbow is simply a mind reprogramming tool.

There was a gay guy on one of Max Igans latest videos who was saying that he finds the open pride stuff more like grooming than anything gay related. In Australia the gay pride event had naked male bike riders wearing bondage gear, bondage twerking and other debauchery labelled as pride. It's simply fetish relabelled and in your face.

My friend in Montana said the local 4th july parade had a giant rainbow dick float.

If this was straight people doing this behaviour they would have been jailed by now. 

I think pretty soon there will be a puritanical backlash from the religious types in the US. Not long now...

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18 hours ago, RobinJ said:

My friend in Montana said the local 4th july parade had a giant rainbow dick float.

If this was straight people doing this behaviour they would have been jailed by now. 

I think pretty soon there will be a puritanical backlash from the religious types in the US. Not long now...

 

That was the other thing that occurred to me - as history inevitably repeats itself, I did wonder at what point some kind of "New Puritan" movement would start up, in response to the current downhill spiral into crass debauchery that is currently happening.

 

18 hours ago, Observations said:

Pride is increasing, and the ambulance/ fire / police vehicles are rainbow covered and the staff in uniform and 'rainbow get up',  are walking / parading in front of the vehicles, and so on. The shop fronts are decked in rainbow stickers, and more chain stores are getting in on this. I must say I find it quite sickening and intrusive.

 

I saw tonight on Euronews Pride events from around the world. 

 

I see that it's certainly gone from being gay pride to being this be proud of who you are / everyone is welcome and included and so on, where the lines are merging. I see what appears to be 'straight' families and children dressed in rainbow socks. 

 

Welcome to the occupation.

 

As I mentioned previously, its all relevant to this topic, and definitely related.

 

It's gone far beyond 'gay pride' and is trying to encompass all manner of 'deviancies' that would otherwise in no way be considered to be 'normal'.

 

You see it in the changing and reframing of language, like for example the 'rebranding' of paedophiles as 'minor-attracted persons'.

 

This will be the next thing that gets added to the 'alphabet'. Next thing you know, the 'allies' will be waving their flags and supporting this.

 

"We're coming for your children"

 

Thankfully I don't have any children of my own, and if I did, then I wouldn't expose them to any of this.

 

It is interesting though how this Huw Edwards story has now suddenly dropped off the news cycle.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

That was the other thing that occurred to me - as history inevitably repeats itself, I did wonder at what point some kind of "New Puritan" movement would start up, in response to the current downhill spiral into crass debauchery that is currently happening.

 

 

Welcome to the occupation.

 

As I mentioned previously, its all relevant to this topic, and definitely related.

 

It's gone far beyond 'gay pride' and is trying to encompass all manner of 'deviancies' that would otherwise in no way be considered to be 'normal'.

 

You see it in the changing and reframing of language, like for example the 'rebranding' of paedophiles as 'minor-attracted persons'.

 

This will be the next thing that gets added to the 'alphabet'. Next thing you know, the 'allies' will be waving their flags and supporting this.

 

"We're coming for your children"

 

Thankfully I don't have any children of my own, and if I did, then I wouldn't expose them to any of this.

 

It is interesting though how this Huw Edwards story has now suddenly dropped off the news cycle.

 

 

The Huw story is just the start, more will come from that soon. 

If a puritanical swing of the pendulum does come I think it will start in USA in the various religious sections and spread out. We could easily end up in a Handmaids Tale scenario.

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19 hours ago, RobinJ said:

The Huw story is just the start, more will come from that soon. 

If a puritanical swing of the pendulum does come I think it will start in USA in the various religious sections and spread out. We could easily end up in a Handmaids Tale scenario.

You can also guarantee that such a movement will become another 'divide-and-conquer' tactic to have people turning against each other.

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1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

You can also guarantee that such a movement will become another 'divide-and-conquer' tactic to have people turning against each other.

Yup, those who think they are "righteous" etc against the rest.

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On 7/15/2023 at 8:46 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

Exactly, I've written numerous times before about how I'm all in favour of equality and 'equal rights' and all that.

 

But in recent years what we're seeing is that 'equality' has been replaced by 'diversity and inclusivity', which means that certain 'groups' are now seeking preferential treatment, at the expense of the 'majority'.

 

While on holiday around Cornwall last week, I found myself in Penzance on the Saturday while they were having their 'Pride' festival on the promenade. I didn't hang around for too long to be honest as it wasn't my thing, but what I did observe was that from what I could see, while there were a fair few shall we say "obvious lesbians", as well as a few people with 'pink hair' in wheelchairs, most of the people milling about were just 'ordinary' straight couples, as much as I could make out.

 

Maybe it was the wrong part of the country, but when a 'Pride' event attracts more  non-LGBT attendees than LBGT ones, then maybe you have to question what is really going on!

Gay Pride also used to be quite a different event. Yes, there were marches and some silly stunts from the lads (well, young lads, drink ...), but also lots of talks and lectures and so on. I was actually a speaker way back when.

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All this just shows how stupid everyday folk can be. They feel sorry for him!

He's rich, in a respected high profile job, married with a family and a national treasure. He decides to be dirty and disregards his respectability, his wife, his kids, the men he's using and Mary Berry. He then leaves his wife to carry the can (she's an idiot, telling everyone off and saying she's protecting her children)) and pays for The Priory or Champneys to hide away. He is a shit! Not 'The Sun' (and I hate that paper) not Joe Public and not the naughty boys showing their bums. Huw Edwards is a depraved arrogant slimeball who was bored. I feel sorry for people who have rotten lives through no fault of their own and have true mental problems and have no Priory to buy a nice room in.

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On 7/16/2023 at 11:04 PM, RobinJ said:

The Huw story is just the start, more will come from that soon. 

If a puritanical swing of the pendulum does come I think it will start in USA in the various religious sections and spread out. We could easily end up in a Handmaids Tale scenario.

 

Funny you should mention this book, i have never read it myself but it's something i picked up on whilst dragging my brain around the inner tubes, and mentioned often on the forum, so i am going to have to read it now to find out what the connection/synchronicity is about it, 👍

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5531-q-potus/&do=findComment&comment=475650

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/29091-the-great-reset/&do=findComment&comment=202203

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5503-coronavirus-mega-thread/&do=findComment&comment=271472

 

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21 minutes ago, Useyournous said:

she's an idiot, telling everyone off and saying she's protecting her children

 

Or part of the covidiot cult they belong to using the welfare of the children as cover from further investigation, much like what the BraindeadBa'alCult are trying to do to Richard D Hall, 🤔

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/29549-richard-d-hall/#comment-459082

 

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On 7/16/2023 at 7:39 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

That was the other thing that occurred to me - as history inevitably repeats itself, I did wonder at what point some kind of "New Puritan" movement would start up, in response to the current downhill spiral into crass debauchery that is currently happening

 

Puritan movement you say, well step right up, and have your right of way, 🤣

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/28891-united-free-republics-of-britannia/&do=findComment&comment=500494

 

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Just now, sock muppet said:

 

Funny you should mention this book, i have never read it myself but it's something i picked up on whilst dragging my brain around the inner tubes, and mentioned often on the forum, so i am going to have to read it now to find out what the connection/synchronicity is about it, 👍

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5531-q-potus/&do=findComment&comment=475650

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/29091-the-great-reset/&do=findComment&comment=202203

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/5503-coronavirus-mega-thread/&do=findComment&comment=271472

 

Theres also a film and a very good series based on the book. The basis is that much if the world becomes infertile so they go right back to extreme Christian beliefs which are very controlling especially for women

 All women are rounded up and are assigned roles all if which are subservient one way or another. It's very graffic and often cruel.

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On 7/14/2023 at 2:27 PM, RobinJ said:

I personally think we are in a race to the end now. Spiritual, cabal and planetary shifts all happening at once. It may feel like the cabal are winning because they own media, but that's really not the case at all. We just need to stay firm and help those who are now waking up. There will be a mass awakening very soon.

 

Indeed. I still see 2012, not certain by any means, as a point where a cosmic pendulum began to slowly swing in the other direction. Hold firm.

 

 

 

On 7/15/2023 at 5:36 AM, alexa said:

I loved watching Columbo, I reckon I've exhausted all of his movies by now. :classic_biggrin:

 

Columbo was right. PTB Imaginations Ltd.. 🙂

 

 

 

 

On 7/15/2023 at 11:08 AM, Grumpy Owl said:

That's basically it. As I see, on the surface of things, it would appear that Huw Edwards has done nothing wrong, certainly not from a legal standpoint, hence why the police say no further action can be taken. But the question remains as to whether this was at all appropriate, or decent behaviour, or even 'morally right'. I certainly don't think so, and it makes you wonder, especially as you have all the usual shitlibs rushing to defend or 'offer support'. And like with Philip Schofield, now Huw Edwards is being portrayed as a 'victim' in all of this.

 

As the BBC will not condemn the legal behavior of Huw Edwards, when the time comes, I see that they have now embarked on a McDonald's anti-groping crusade instead. How noble of them. I don't see Huw as a victim. However, if what many of us see as 'sordid activities' have become increasingly normalised in society, over the past 20 years or so, then it does become harder to criticise those who engage in such activities. As in, viewing anyone who has turned 18 as meat for sale. I still find it quite ironic that the mother of the first alleged victim turned to The Sun for help.

 

 

 

On 7/15/2023 at 8:02 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

I remember the whole 'Pride' thing about being 'proud to be gay' or something along those lines. Now in recent years 'Pride' is all about 'proud of who you are', or something like that. And as the LGBT 'alphabet' expands, it encompasses ever more 'identities'. It's more than a 'gay movement' now, it is welcoming and 'empowering' ever more what would be considered 'deviancies', ie that which is "considered not normal". For the record, I have no problem with gay or lesbian people, if that's your thing then that's fine with me. They can have their day where they do what they do, and that doesn't bother me in the slightest, as long as I can choose not to be involved. What does bother me, is the 'expectation' that 'non-LGBT+' persons should be expected to 'participate' in such Pride events, so as to be seen as being 'supportive' or 'an ally' of the movement.

 

I never really had much time for the term 'Pride' myself. What's to be proud of? As Kuato said, 'You are what you do' and I don't think he was referring to orifices. I would probably go along with something like 'Unashamed', which truly did encompass everyone in society. Message being, try to tolerate all folks for who they are, whether that's to do with their sexuality, looks, class, clothing or anything else.  

 

 

 

 

On 7/16/2023 at 11:52 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

Jeremy Vile "settles" with Twitter user who named him as the BBC presenter. Hmmm. Here we go! Say bad things to the wrong ppl and you will (literally) pay.

 

Jez Vine? Isn't that the guy who tipped Huw Edwards over the edge and in to a major mental health crisis? Personally, I think that Huw should be asking for quite a lot from him. Fair's fair.

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9 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Theres also a film and a very good series based on the book. The basis is that much if the world becomes infertile so they go right back to extreme Christian beliefs which are very controlling especially for women

 

It's interesting, but more like the radical elements of another religion that treats women like objects. Modern feminists probably only feel brave enough to write that kind of fiction about Christianity.

 

On 7/14/2023 at 2:27 PM, RobinJ said:

I personally think we are in a race to the end now. Spiritual, cabal and planetary shifts all happening at once. It may feel like the cabal are winning because they own media, but that's really not the case at all. We just need to stay firm and help those who are now waking up. There will be a mass awakening very soon.

 

I like this positivity, but it needs to be global as they own the superpowers too, not just the media. We need a miracle to penetrate that Chinese golden shield, so the Chinese wake up. If western people wake up on their own, then elites will just unleash Russia and China on us, although they're kind of doing that anyway. That being said, I understand that this thread is more about the media.

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10 hours ago, Useyournous said:

everyday folk

 

10 hours ago, Useyournous said:

They feel sorry for him!

 

Can we be certain that this is true though? I haven't followed this story much, but I have had normies bring up celeb deviants to me quite a bit recently, and less people care about the TV these days, but I get that this might differ between age groups. The whole Epstein thing opened a lot of peoples eyes.

 

If I was some anti-western douchebag or Marxoid at the BBC that wanted people to hate the West, I wouldn't condemn him either. I really don't see any incentive for them to because of their ideology. It doesn't fit their agenda. They'll only give in if there is enough backlash, but even then they'll probably see some kind of opportunity in the outrage.

 

Edit: Maybe I'm wrong, but everything does seem to be pushing people to blame some Atlanticist paedo cabal. A concern should be what we're being prepped for, and whether some kind of saviour from this madness will be any better.

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Can we be certain that this is true though? I haven't followed this story much, but I have had normies bring up celeb deviants to me quite a bit recently, and less people care about the TV these days, but I get that this might differ between age groups. The whole Epstein thing opened a lot of peoples eyes.

 

If I was some anti-western douchebag or Marxoid at the BBC that wanted people to hate the West, I wouldn't condemn him either. I really don't see any incentive for them to because of their ideology. It doesn't fit their agenda. They'll only give in if there is enough backlash, but even then they'll probably see some kind of opportunity in the outrage.

 

Edit: Maybe I'm wrong, but everything does seem to be pushing people to blame some Atlanticist paedo cabal. A concern should be what we're being prepped for, and whether some kind of saviour from this madness will be any better.

To have a hero (NWO federation) ride in to save everyone, first they need to create a bad enough situation for people to react (preferably with violence)

It's the same old problem, reaction, solution game

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On 7/17/2023 at 12:04 AM, RobinJ said:

The Huw story is just the start, more will come from that soon. 

If a puritanical swing of the pendulum does come I think it will start in USA in the various religious sections and spread out. We could easily end up in a Handmaids Tale scenario.

 

This is what BDSM looks like with a hint of christian ethics and mucho strictness and being ferried around in blacked out vans, its all sex and death that the energy vampires feed off, 🤔🤣

Available to watch here, https://ok.ru/video/1689825839663

And as a bonus i found this remix of Billy Idol - Eyes Without A Face, with the handmaids tale as the video, the recording though is double rubbish.

Billy Idol, was he ahead of his time, or just another manufactured prophetic plastic pop artist template of today's noise, nice voice though, if its his, which i doubt, 👍

 

 

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2 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

This is what BDSM looks like with a hint of christian ethics and mucho strictness and being ferried around in blacked out vans, its all sex and death that the energy vampires feed off, 🤔🤣

Available to watch here, https://ok.ru/video/1689825839663

And as a bonus i found this remix of Billy Idol - Eyes Without A Face, with the handmaids tale as the video, the recording though is double rubbish.

Billy Idol, was he ahead of his time, or just another manufactured prophetic plastic pop artist template of today's noise, nice voice though, if its his, which i doubt, 👍

 

 

well Handmaids Tale was more than a hint of 'christian' in it. Its basically all about male domination over the female using infertility and religion as the excuse. Which, is pretty much what we have had since the advent of monotheism and why the earth is so out of balance in all respects. Handmaids tale just takes it to the extreme so its more obvious to all to witness......

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I'm sharing as I've always taken an interest in this 'story', ... and there has been a lot of talk lately about companies responsibilities ... and this article shows the backwards and forwards in the courts as to whether the corporation is responsible for protecting an 'employee' ... a so called employee ...

 

https://www.upday.com/uk/two-previously-dismissed-michael-jackson-child-sex-abuse-lawsuits-could-be-revived

 

Two previously dismissed Michael Jackson child sex abuse lawsuits could be revived


James King - 26 July 2023


A California appeals court is considering reviving the dismissed lawsuits of two men who claim Michael Jackson sexually abused them as children for years.

 

The court appears likely to approve the move after a tentative decision that would order the cases back to a lower court for trial.

 

The suits were filed after Jackson’s 2009 death by Wade Robson in 2013 and James Safechuck the following year.

 

The two men became more widely known for telling their stories in the 2019 HBO documentary Leaving Neverland.

 

Both sued MJJ Productions Inc and MJJ Ventures Inc, two corporations for which Jackson was the sole owner and lone shareholder.

 

In 2021, Superior Court Judge Mark A Young ruled that the two corporations and their employees had no legal duty to protect Robson and Safechuck from Jackson and threw out the suits.

 

But in a tentative decision last month, California’s 2nd District Court of Appeal reversed that judge and ordered the cases back to trial.


On Wednesday, lawyers for the Jackson estate will try to convince the appeals court to reverse course.


The lawsuits have already bounced back from a 2017 dismissal, when Judge Young threw them out for being beyond the statute of limitations.

 

A new California law that temporarily broadened the scope of sexual abuse cases led the appeals court to restore them.

 

Jackson’s personal estate – the assets he left after his death – was thrown out as a defendant in 2015.

 

Robson, now a 40-year-old choreographer, met Jackson when he was five years old. His lawsuit ... says he was Jackson’s employee, and the two corporations had a duty to protect him in the same way the Boy Scouts or a school would need to protect children from their leaders.


Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed with Michael Jackson accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck (Getty Images)

 

The Jackson estate has adamantly and repeatedly denied that the singer abused either of the boys, and has emphasised that Mr Robson gave evidence at Jackson’s 2005 criminal trial that he had not been abused, and Mr Safechuck said the same to authorities.

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4 hours ago, Observations said:

I'm sharing as I've always taken an interest in this 'story', ... and there has been a lot of talk lately about companies responsibilities ... and this article shows the backwards and forwards in the courts as to whether the corporation is responsible for protecting an 'employee' ... a so called employee ...

 

https://www.upday.com/uk/two-previously-dismissed-michael-jackson-child-sex-abuse-lawsuits-could-be-revived

 

Two previously dismissed Michael Jackson child sex abuse lawsuits could be revived


James King - 26 July 2023


A California appeals court is considering reviving the dismissed lawsuits of two men who claim Michael Jackson sexually abused them as children for years.

 

The court appears likely to approve the move after a tentative decision that would order the cases back to a lower court for trial.

 

The suits were filed after Jackson’s 2009 death by Wade Robson in 2013 and James Safechuck the following year.

 

The two men became more widely known for telling their stories in the 2019 HBO documentary Leaving Neverland.

 

Both sued MJJ Productions Inc and MJJ Ventures Inc, two corporations for which Jackson was the sole owner and lone shareholder.

 

In 2021, Superior Court Judge Mark A Young ruled that the two corporations and their employees had no legal duty to protect Robson and Safechuck from Jackson and threw out the suits.

 

But in a tentative decision last month, California’s 2nd District Court of Appeal reversed that judge and ordered the cases back to trial.


On Wednesday, lawyers for the Jackson estate will try to convince the appeals court to reverse course.


The lawsuits have already bounced back from a 2017 dismissal, when Judge Young threw them out for being beyond the statute of limitations.

 

A new California law that temporarily broadened the scope of sexual abuse cases led the appeals court to restore them.

 

Jackson’s personal estate – the assets he left after his death – was thrown out as a defendant in 2015.

 

Robson, now a 40-year-old choreographer, met Jackson when he was five years old. His lawsuit ... says he was Jackson’s employee, and the two corporations had a duty to protect him in the same way the Boy Scouts or a school would need to protect children from their leaders.


Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed with Michael Jackson accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck (Getty Images)

 

The Jackson estate has adamantly and repeatedly denied that the singer abused either of the boys, and has emphasised that Mr Robson gave evidence at Jackson’s 2005 criminal trial that he had not been abused, and Mr Safechuck said the same to authorities.

The JAcksons will do what they always do, pay people to keep quiet. Same behaviour as all the rest of the rich ones. Their time of reckoning is almost here...

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