What exactly is the solution?

[whiteboyal]

We know that you, I and everyone else is infinite consciousness/awareness/all possibility but what is the best way to identify with that? what does the process look like? 

Since it can't be achieved through the ego or thoughts do we constantly have to identify with being all there is has been and ever can be and repeat the process once we identify with the ego again until we fully identify with being consciousness or a state of being aware. 

if the ego has a thought or emotion and gets sad, happy, fearful, purposeful, isolated etc. do I remind myself I am all possibility and the consciousness having this human experience?

how do I know I'm identifying with consciousness and not the ego? am I still identified with consciousness if I think or observe "I am consciousness"? what makes the observation and identification with consciousness into an egoic thought? is it once I start to judge or analyze the thought of "I am consciousness"?

[Skotfreezy]

 

53 minutes ago, whiteboyal said:

We know that you, I and everyone else is infinite consciousness/awareness/all possibility but what is the best way to identify with that? what does the process look like? 

Since it can't be achieved through the ego or thoughts do we constantly have to identify with being all there is has been and ever can be and repeat the process once we identify with the ego again until we fully identify with being consciousness or a state of being aware. 

if the ego has a thought or emotion and gets sad, happy, fearful, purposeful, isolated etc. do I remind myself I am all possibility and the consciousness having this human experience?

how do I know I'm identifying with consciousness and not the ego? am I still identified with consciousness if I think or observe "I am consciousness"? what makes the observation and identification with consciousness into an egoic thought? is it once I start to judge or analyze the thought of "I am consciousness"?

 

this process might help you a little bit to understand how to dissolve the ego.  These help me.

 

1

Recognize that ego, in this context, is identification with mind and form.

 When one says things like "I am a security guard,", "I am a technologist", "I am a CEO", "I am homeless", "I am a parent", "I am a writer", "I was betrayed", "I am a sufferer of some disease" etc., this is part of identification with mind or mental conditioning. Which means thinking or seeing the role or label or story, which are no more than bunch of thoughts in your head, attached to the primordial 'I' thought and its other thought forms, are you. In more direct words, you become your conditioned thoughts, reactions and emotions. That's what 'mind-identification' implies in this context.

Ego, which is unaware of true source within, derives its sense of self from fleeting and unstable things, status, conditions, culture, looks, physical appearance, relationships, gender, experiences, stories, knowledge, history, etc. "Better" or "worse" the label or story or condition, stronger the identification. Ego says: 'I have, therefore I am. And the more I have, the more I am' and vice versa. This delusion is the opposite of the truth.

 

2

Recognize form-identification.

Identification with things and conditions like looks, body, diseases/illnesses, physical or mental conditions, title, money, assets, religion, gender, skin color, race, age, nationality, etc. It's all part of form identification, contributing to the 'illusory self image' of who you think you are. Ego continuously needs to feed and identify with forms to survive and strengthen its false sense of self. Since all things and conditions are subjected to the law of impermanence, that is to say fleeting, so ego lives in a constant state of fear; anxiously looking for the next thing to identify with or to maintain its existing identifications to survive. Part of the reason why thinking becomes compulsive, and fear and desire our primary motivating forces. 

• Here's a few questions to ask yourself:
  • What if you lost your looks, vigor and health due to aging, illness or an accident?
  • Would you feel complete if you lost your status, job, relationships, title, money or possessions?
• Sooner or later you will have to relinquish these things and conditions anyway. As with aging and death approaching, all forms, relationships, concepts, and conditions that you identified with will become irrelevant and illusory. As death is stripping away of who you are not. Is this not a fact?
• This does not mean to not enjoy and honor what you have, relationships and passing pleasures of the world. In fact, when you truly realize their impermanent and passing nature, you honor and enjoy them more. It’s because fear of loss and attachment to forms, relationships, memories and experiences dissolve. Their transient nature is allowed to be. Suffering arises when you seek yourself and long-lasting fulfillment in the fleeting world, relationships, pleasures, experiences and things, which they can't give. If you didn't realize this, you will be condemned to chase after experiences, sensory or sexual pleasures, relationships, and things of this world, one after another, unconsciously seeking lasting fulfillment and sense of self which they can't give.
• Ask yourself, 'If I lost the things, assets, relationships or conditions in my life, would I feel complete?' or 'What would I be without them?'. Feel the answer within your intelligent body, rather than asking the mind. As mind, false God, may say something like "Of course, you will be diminished.". Make the deep intuitive responses through inner-body or Being as the primary source of intelligence. Read Inhabit Your Inner Body More Deeply for more depth.

 

3

Realize deeply that fundamentally it’s all in mind.

Whether its desire, fear, jealousy, commentary about conditions, happiness, sadness, stuff you have, your achievements, looks, relationships, longing, depression, your job, possessions, nationality, or any other identification. They are all ultimately thoughts and emotions that are attached to the primordial 'I' thought and its other forms; the Ego. Like your car becomes a thought in your head and gets attached to the primordial or conceptual 'I' thought and its other forms, that says 'I have a nice car' or 'my beatup car'. Similarly primordial 'I' thought or Egoic self attaches itself to other thought forms or labels, such as 'I have been suffering from depression/anxiety', 'I make a lot of money', 'I am an average looking person', 'I have achieved this or that', 'I am a man/woman/trans' etc. This, of course, doesn't mean to not use and enjoy things you have, and words and labels for communication. However, we are pointing to the phenomenon of identification with them.

• "Ego is identification with form, primarily thought forms."
• It may seem like fear, desire, longing, frustration, anger and so on are caused by the external circumstances, events and people but are actually mind created. Example: You see a "desirable" thing or person, and feelings and thoughts of desire and/or fear and/or frustration arise. Which are conditioned responses. Be very alert to recognize that 'desire' or frustration are not out there but are created by mind that seeks forms, relationships, identity, security, experiences, pleasures etc. in the transient world to enhance its ultimately fictitious sense of self with an unconscious expectation that they will fulfill it.
• Another example: You experience pain or pressure in body and mental-emotional reactions (anxiety, worry, fear etc.) arise in response to it. Be alert to recognize that suffering is not caused by the condition (pain or pressure) but due to your conditioned thoughts, reactions and emotions in response to it. As you will read later.
• That's why Ramanan Maharshi said "Mind is maya (illusion)".

 

4

Recognize the incessant, insane and suffering inducing nature of mind or 'voice in head'.

Your mind is hyperactive as most of your thinking is compulsive, recurring and pointless. The same thoughts come again and again, and they trigger the same reactive thoughts and emotions, based on the conditioning. Like 'old broken records' playing in your head. Also, due to thinking's often negative nature, much of it is harmful and causes serious leakage of energy. This is the never stopping voice you identify with that treats the present moment as an obstacle or enemy or means to an end. The basic dysfunction.

• Realize that you are not your mind. Here's a practice: Simply watch your mental activity. Which usually arises in the left side of your head. Can you see that this activity, or 'voice in head', is automatic, reactive, pointless, compulsive and never stops?  Deeply realize that it's not You but your mind or Ego generating an incessant stream of thoughts, emotions and reactions in your space of consciousness, based on its conditioning, to ensure its survival. As you will read later.
• Here's another pointer: if you are the 'watcher' or observer of the voice, reactions and emotions (observed), how can you be them?
• "Recognizing the false as false is meditation. This must go on all the time" Nisargadatta Maharaj. What is 'false' in you? Incessant 'voice in head' (conditioned mind) and emotions.
• A large part of suffering and problems arise when you believe the voice, reactions and emotions are "you" and follow or believe them. That's when the 'phantom self' takes over your whole life and thinking becomes compulsive. In other words, when you become the voice and emotions. That's the sickness of mind-identification or ego. You are not even there but a mind created personality or image of you.

 

5

See that mind is an impostor that pretends to be you.

Mind is a wonderful tool, but the problem comes when you seek yourself in it; then it becomes egoic mind and takes over your whole life. That's when your sense of self is derived from ever-changing content and conditioning of your mind, which is based on past and identification with forms. This does not mean that all the thoughts are painful or unproductive. However, we are primarily pointing to certain repetitive, persistent, pointless, negative thoughts, reactions and emotions that form the core of ego. Which consists of about 80-90 percent of your mental-emotional activity.

• So some thoughts (which also includes these words becoming thoughts in your head) can point you to the spiritual dimension within, can be practical and counter or replace negative, repetitive thoughts and beliefs; thus not letting you fall into deeper level of unconsciousness i.e identification with mind. However, they are no ordinary, repetitive or attention seeking thoughts. So words or content can be part of your spiritual journey. However, deeply realize that words or content can at best point to the truth but are not the truth.
• You are the truth. The timeless, perfect and formless 'awareness', that is aware of the incessant voice in your head, reactions, emotions and world. As ego implies unawareness of the formless dimension.

 

6

Realize that this world is like a playground. 

Like a sports person has their gear, training, tactics, strategies, practice etc. for a match or game or event, in the same way, you have your body, things, mind and knowledge, as your gear, to play in this playground, this world. Realize that it's just a 'gear' or 'equipment' and not 'you’. Yes, this gear (mind, body, skills and knowledge) has its place to play in this world, but that does not mean you need to identify or lose yourself in it. You, in essence, are formless consciousness and you share that essence with all beings. It's because we are all expressions of One life.

 

7

Watch the mind.

Our mind is conditioned by thousands of years of cultural, societal, genetic and years of personal conditioning, which have a strong momentum. So trying, controlling, resistance or using will power, which are aspects of limited mind, in an attempt to watch the mind are futile and in fact strengthen the ego. It's because problems of the mind cannot be solved at the level of mind. That's why it is said that you don't become good by trying to be good, but finding the good that's already within you.

• So simply watch the automatic conditioned narration or commentary of mind with high alertness. When you watch, you reclaim trapped consciousness from the mind and more clearly see the dysfunction and irrationality of the 'voice in the head' that causes so much self created suffering by resisting, commentating and labelling 'what is'. Its because 'Watching' or awareness is a new dimension of consciousness that is not part of thinking mind. More you practice watching the mind, compulsive and conditioned thinking slows as your presence deepens.
• Example: Have you noticed when you procrastinate, the 'voice in the head' says something like 'I can do it later' or 'You have lot of time', etc.? If you simply observe the voice and allow it to be, even if it hypnotizes you to procrastinate because of some degree of identification with it, you may notice how dysfunctional the voice and unproductive procrastination are. In a way, it's like collecting evidence (truth) to see the insanity of the 'voice in head' more clearly and to disidentify from it. That's when presence deepens and ego starts to dissolve and separation of thinking (observed) and awareness (observer) begins, as you realize that you are not your mind but the observing presence behind it.
• Similarly, when you detect mental-emotional resistance within, just observe and allow it to be. Deeply realize that resistance serves no purpose and in fact is dysfunctional, keeps the undesirable situation, condition and thought patterns in place, and is more disturbing than the original cause its trying to dissolve.
  • Watching the 'voice in head' or mind also includes to watch and detect the background psychological unease, non-verbal urges, tension, impulses, mental noise and pre-verbalized thoughts and reactions, which are aspects of egoic mind, that are so deeply embedded and considered normal that many people are not even aware of them.
• Watching doesn't mean to criticize or condemn or ignore or fight the 'voice in head', else it would be the same voice that came through the back door. This also implies to not treat Ego as an obstacle or enemy. Again, you can never dissolve unconsciousness or Ego by fighting, trying, controlling, suppressing, or running away from it. Bringing it in the 'light of your awareness' is all that is needed. In other words, to dissolve the ego, in essence, there is no doing or trying required but an alert seeing or acceptance. So watch it impartially without judgement.
  • Here's another way to look at it: Fighting, resistance, reactions, suppression, trying, condemning etc. arise in form of conditioned thoughts, emotions or reactions, and you are not your thoughts, reactions and emotions. True intelligence is formless, unconditioned and intuitive. That's why be aware of deeper feeling responses as you read.
  • Here's another practice: "Don't take your thoughts seriously."
• Being rooted in inner body is an essential aspect to be present and to be the watcher of the mind. Else, the mind will take you over like a wild river. When you are rooted in your spacious inner body, attention is withdrawn from the mind or Egoic structures to the Now. That is to say, attention remains in its unmanifested state. You can also experiment to notice that there's no suffering when your attention is in the Now. While you suffer when attention is trapped in useless and compulsive thinking, mental patterns, emotions (negativity) and reactions.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Skotfreezy

[Jason57]

The solution is when we die. We'e outta here. Unless you believe in reincarnation.

[78ast78dgyad]

There is no solution 

 

This is an experience - there can be no utopia with free energy and loving spiritual people everywhere. Evil must exist.

 

 

[78ast78dgyad]

On 6/20/2023 at 4:11 AM, whiteboyal said:

We know that you, I and everyone else is infinite consciousness/awareness/all possibility but what is the best way to identify with that? what does the process look like? 

Since it can't be achieved through the ego or thoughts do we constantly have to identify with being all there is has been and ever can be and repeat the process once we identify with the ego again until we fully identify with being consciousness or a state of being aware. 

if the ego has a thought or emotion and gets sad, happy, fearful, purposeful, isolated etc. do I remind myself I am all possibility and the consciousness having this human experience?

how do I know I'm identifying with consciousness and not the ego? am I still identified with consciousness if I think or observe "I am consciousness"? what makes the observation and identification with consciousness into an egoic thought? is it once I start to judge or analyze the thought of "I am consciousness"?

 

There is no solution

 

Imagine you time travel to the year 3000

 

Are you there to fix society. No. You are there for the experience. 

 

But we are also here for the experience.

When we begin taking it seriously by identifying with our race, religion, nationality, gender and social status we forget that this is an experience and you are here to go through it. 

 

 

[timjulius1122]

On 6/20/2023 at 8:11 AM, whiteboyal said:

We know that you, I and everyone else is infinite consciousness/awareness/all possibility but what is the best way to identify with that? what does the process look like? 

Since it can't be achieved through the ego or thoughts do we constantly have to identify with being all there is has been and ever can be and repeat the process once we identify with the ego again until we fully identify with being consciousness or a state of being aware. 

if the ego has a thought or emotion and gets sad, happy, fearful, purposeful, isolated etc. do I remind myself I am all possibility and the consciousness having this human experience?

how do I know I'm identifying with consciousness and not the ego? am I still identified with consciousness if I think or observe "I am consciousness"? what makes the observation and identification with consciousness into an egoic thought? is it once I start to judge or analyze the thought of "I am consciousness"?

hi! hope you are well, the solution lies in developing self-awareness, practicing mindfulness, and cultivating a deeper connection with your true nature. It involves transcending the limitations of the ego and aligning with infinite consciousness. This process requires patience, self-compassion, and a commitment to personal growth.

[Grumpy Grapes]

It's not who you are that counts, but how you behave and relate to the world around you. If an animal shows compassion to another, then who cares whether they have God consciousness or not. 

[timjulius1122]

On 6/20/2023 at 8:11 AM, whiteboyal said:

We know that you, I and everyone else is infinite consciousness/awareness/all possibility but what is the best way to identify with that? what does the process look like? 

Since it can't be achieved through the ego or thoughts do we constantly have to identify with being all there is has been and ever can be and repeat the process once we identify with the ego again until we fully identify with being consciousness or a state of being aware. 

if the ego has a thought or emotion and gets sad, happy, fearful, purposeful, isolated etc. do I remind myself I am all possibility and the consciousness having this human experience?

how do I know I'm identifying with consciousness and not the ego? am I still identified with consciousness if I think or observe "I am consciousness"? what makes the observation and identification with consciousness into an egoic thought? is it once I start to judge or analyze the thought of "I am consciousness"?

The process of identifying with infinite consciousness entails shifting perspectives, engaging in self-inquiry, observing thoughts without attachment, releasing egoic identities, and remembering your true essence. It is a personal journey of self-realization that transcends the limitations of the ego.