peter Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, alexa said: Fair enough - But how do you suppose we all got here ? As a human or a living entity in general, if you are talking about humans I can't prove it but after everything I have researched and read , I came to the conclusion that mankind was genetically engineered long ago using members of the primate family as a base . Now, by who or what is a totally different question and one I certainly can't answer . I find it interesting though that there are fossils of dinosaurs, fish, shells,plant life such as ferns, insects embedded in amber and even fossils of prehuman primates such as Lucy and Mungo Man etc however there is a glaring gap between all of that and homo sapiens and to my knowledge to this day any evidence of the so called missing link has yet to be found. One could argue, but not very successfully I feel, that the remains of a short race of humanoids found on an island about 10 or so years ago was in someway our ancestors,but I don't think that that is the case at all, I would put it down to isolation and the environment eg food supply and predators social pressure or lack there of within the group etc and as such are just a redundant sub branch of the primate linage As far as life in general, quite along time ago I put up a thread called original thought for the day in other words think of something that to your knowledge no one else has ever thought of ,I put up three no one else contributed One of them was what if mitochondria was the only life form on the planet and we and every other living organism on this planet is simply a conglomeration or colony if you will of single celled organisms all working in harmony to keep the colony functioning( similar to some jelly fish) . I know this will devastate a few egos and I'm not saying I'm correct however if you study how cells work and their respective functions within the body, weather human or non human I feel my assumption above is certainly not unreasonable. Therefore one could assume that the type of colony (animal) that the single celled organisms produce would entirely be a product of the environment and as such the theory of evolution becomes rather redundant Edited June 9 by peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, peter said: I know this will devastate a few egos and I'm not saying I'm correct however if you study how cells work and their respective functions within the body, weather human or non human I feel my assumption above is certainly not unreasonable. Therefore one could assume that the type of colony (animal) that the single celled organisms produce would entirely be a product of the environment and as such the theory of evolution becomes rather redundant I like it - I've very often thought of this theory myself but we are still left with the big question, where did the first cell come from & the DNA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 6 hours ago, alexa said: Fair enough - But how do you suppose we all got here ? By being dumb. OK, to be more polite, otherwise peter will be offended triggered, being asleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 17 hours ago, Mr H said: And would you say this God is directing the whole show? It's possible I suppose but I am not sure. I believe in free will personally but who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, alexa said: I like it - I've very often thought of this theory myself but we are still left with the big question, where did the first cell come from & the DNA ? Bloody hell. You both discussed without arguments 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 4 hours ago, Bombadil said: Bloody hell. You both discussed without arguments 6 hours ago, alexa said: I like it - I've very often thought of this theory myself but we are still left with the big question, where did the first cell come from & the DNA ? Ah the chicken or the egg analogy . The molecules necessary for DNA and therefore life have been found in certain types of meteorites, however what caused the original spark to kick things off and weather it was instantaneous or happened over a long period of time is anyone's guess. Lets just say that the conditions were right for life to begin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 4 hours ago, Bombadil said: Bloody hell. You both discussed without arguments There was not a single plane mentioned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 35 minutes ago, peter said: Ah the chicken or the egg analogy . The molecules necessary for DNA and therefore life have been found in certain types of meteorites, however what caused the original spark to kick things off and weather it was instantaneous or happened over a long period of time is anyone's guess. Lets just say that the conditions were right for life to begin Ah - A Richard Dawkins out look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, alexa said: Ah - A Richard Dawkins out look No I think Richard Dawkins is part of his name sake (Dawk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 9 hours ago, DaleP said: By being dumb. Some, definitely and I hope you don't get triggered Edited June 9 by peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 7 hours ago, peter said: however what caused the original spark to kick things off and weather it was instantaneous or happened over a long period of time is anyone's guess. I would give this award to God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 45 minutes ago, alexa said: I would give this award to God. You can give the award to who ever you want ,which god would that be ? yours! Just wondering if the other 3000 or so get a consolation prize Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 12 minutes ago, peter said: You can give the award to who ever you want ,which god would that be ? yours! Just wondering if the other 3000 or so get a consolation prize Depends on which Chicken got safely across the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 hours ago, alexa said: I would give this award to God. But does “God” still exist if there is no one to perceive them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, Bombadil said: But does “God” still exist if there is no one to perceive them. That, that perceives is created by God (universe, creator, simulation - whatever word you use). So yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Mr H said: That, that perceives is created by God (universe, creator, simulation - whatever word you use). So yes. Not being argumentative. Just creating discussion. So, does God (for example)have a creator? If so what is it. My thought is that, if there was nothing, how did it create something. If there is a simulation then could not God be a creation of the simulation not the creator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, Bombadil said: Not being argumentative. Just creating discussion. So, does God (for example)have a creator? If so what is it. My thought is that, if there was nothing, how did it create something. If there is a simulation then could not God be a creation of the simulation not the creator? So, does God (for example)have a creator? Yes. This construct was created by Humans. From those who need it and the hope that someone will take care of them. If there is a simulation then could not God be a creation of the simulation not the creator? That is correct. All gods and Alien/Angel are part of the simulation. The universe is also a part as well and Earth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 6 hours ago, Bombadil said: But does “God” still exist if there is no one to perceive them. Does Jesus exist - Very much so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 36 minutes ago, alexa said: Does Jesus exist - Very much so. Wonderful .... would you be so very kind as to 'link' me to the proof for that statement? I mean, just look at this 'world' .... and the base nature of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 6 minutes ago, lake said: Wonderful .... would you be so very kind as to 'link' me to the proof for that statement? I mean, just look at this 'world' .... and the base nature of it! You only have to read the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 11 minutes ago, lake said: I mean, just look at this 'world' .... and the base nature of it! And who's fault is this ? It's not God's, God gave us free will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason57 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 minutes ago, alexa said: You only have to read the Bible. The Bible is ancient scriptures written by who knows. Also, over the centuries man has dictated what scripture is cannon and "holy inspired" and which scriptures aren't. In other words, humans have used the scriptures to manipulate and control the masses. While I think there is truth in the Bible and some great wisdom in it, who truly knows what the full truth is when it comes to the bible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 7 minutes ago, alexa said: You only have to read the Bible. Oh come on @alexa .... really is that all of your knowledge? Nothing else to back up your statement except 'a book written and re-written by humans'? Literally then .... you may as well chose any book and call it the 'Truth' .... You must have something more? (please) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 minutes ago, Jason57 said: While I think there is truth in the Bible and some great wisdom in it, who truly knows what the full truth is when it comes to the bible? Well I literally believe it, talking serpents & donkeys and all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 minutes ago, Jason57 said: who truly knows what the full truth is Who does know .... but .... Do you like Rachel Stevens? (asking for a friend (if I had any)) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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