Is there an executive God?

[Mr H]

7 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

I hope there isn't. Let's be real, if the executive God is from one of these religions then most of humanity is screwed at death for not following the right laws. I used to believe in a loving God, but these days I just try to love people in general, as it seems none of these dieties or Gods love humanity. I hope it's lights out after death in this world.

Very true. The gods featured in our books have some quite peculiar demands for us lot, and prone to major mood swings - I too am hoping it's not like that!

[DaleP]

4 minutes ago, Mr H said:

But have you done this Dale? Or you have read about it?

I do.

Where do you think you go when you change reality?

Remember David said, you change the film (scenario) in the dark room, no point in trying to change the screen (in light).

I sent you the video of a person (but please don't share it in public) who goes back in time so that the current scenario is changed. So Inception and Interstellar movies are real.

 

Edited June 3 by DaleP

[Jason57]

2 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Very true. The gods featured in our books have some quite peculiar demands for us lot, and prone to major mood swings - I too am hoping it's not like that!

There's a youtube channel called "Good God" by Bobby Collier. It's worth looking through some of his videos. His perspective makes more sense than the traditional bipolar God from the bible.

[Mr H]

9 minutes ago, DaleP said:

I do.

Where do you think you go when you change reality?

Remember David said, you change the film (scenario) in the dark room, no point in trying to change the screen (in light).

I sent you the video of a person (but please don't share it in public) who goes back in time so that the current scenario is changed. So Inception and Interstellar movies are real.

 

I think there is only one reality. Reality doesn't change. 

 

And I don't experience anyone going anywhere. It's just mind making it seem that way.

[DaleP]

2 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I think there is only one reality. Reality doesn't change. 

 

And I don't experience anyone going anywhere. It's just mind making it seem that way.

 

I am not trying to convince you, just telling you what I heard about difference experiences.

You say, there is only one reality but have you research about parallel world? This is where timeline jumping comes in.

I've heard from different sources having different experiences in a car.

What it means is that a driver sees scenary A and the other passenger sees different scenary B.

I don't mean mere fact that the driver was busy driving and have missed a sign which the other passenger saw.

No, more drastic like a driver only knew there was one tunnel but the other passenger saw three! And when they found out that there was a plan to build three tunnels but due to cost cutting, to bad effect, they only built one. This means that people in the same car could slip into different timeline, a parallel world.

 

[Mr H]

2 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

I am not trying to convince you, just telling you what I heard about difference experiences.

You say, there is only one reality but have you research about parallel world? This is where timeline jumping comes in.

I've heard from different sources having different experiences in a car.

What it means is that a driver sees scenary A and the other passenger sees different scenary B.

I don't mean mere fact that the driver was busy driving and have missed a sign which the other passenger saw.

No, more drastic like a driver only knew there was one tunnel but the other passenger saw three! And when they found out that there was a plan to build three tunnels but due to cost cutting, to bad effect, they only built one. This means that people in the same car could slip into different timeline, a parallel world.

 

Im not seeking convincing Dale. I just made comment that we cannot talk about experiencing other dimensions because it has not been experienced. That's why I ask your experience. People on YT can make anything up for likes, so generally best taken with pinch of salt, or just something to consider as a possibility. IMO.

 

I don't know much about parallel worlds. I certainly don't discount it. But I suggest if they do exist they are still part of the one reality. There can only ever be one reality, otherwise its not reality, just a version, or a particular view of the one reality.

[DaleP]

 

[Mr H]

48 minutes ago, DaleP said:

 

These types of video are very interesting and can fuel interesting speculation.

 

But Gaia channel has no special access to truth that you or are don't have. And if the information can't be replicated in actual experience by it's listeners I would just take as interesting speculation and not as fact or reality.

 

A lot of these videos take people power away, as most are seekers, and the only place worthy seeking is within - people see a channel or teacher and think ah yes they got it, they know the truth I'll follow them which can be distracting.

[Grumpy Grapes]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

There are no moments. That implies time. There is only "now".

 

Our mind cannot fathom how experience is formulated in reality, because our mind has limitations and is constructed to view reality as seemingly time and space.

 

The best we can do is say how it isn't not how it is.

 

And as noone can experience time, my suggestion is that when we discuss ultimate reality, we have to downgrade it as a concept.

What is the difference between a 'moment' and the 'now'? 

[Campion]

2 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

What is the difference between a 'moment' and the 'now'? 

 

For me, a moment is something psychological, a discrete snapshot of reality that's held as a unit of time as our minds process the continuous variable of physical time.  I say continuous, but maybe there's a limit to amounts of physical time as in quantums of reality at the nano level. 

 

2 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

There are no moments. That implies time. There is only "now".

No it was @Mr H who said that, sorry GG. Although it's true, it's only trivially true because physically speaking we're living in the spacetime continuum where the here-and-now is just this point in the continuum. Everywhere else is over there in the future or past, relatively speaking. Or there's an infinite number of "here and nows" if that makes any more sense. 

 

Getting back on topic, I don't think there's an executive God, but there is an executive function in the brain which thinks it's in charge, and perhaps that feeling gets projected out onto reality so we think there's someone in charge of everything. But imo executive functioning is an illusion, just as in a computer if we say the microprocessor is "in charge" of the whole machine we're making up a story. 

 

Edited June 4 by Campion

[DaleP]

17 hours ago, Mr H said:

Im not seeking convincing Dale. I just made comment that we cannot talk about experiencing other dimensions because it has not been experienced. That's why I ask your experience. People on YT can make anything up for likes, so generally best taken with pinch of salt, or just something to consider as a possibility. IMO.

 

I don't know much about parallel worlds. I certainly don't discount it. But I suggest if they do exist they are still part of the one reality. There can only ever be one reality, otherwise its not reality, just a version, or a particular view of the one reality.

 

I would share my experience of accessing 5D6D but it is X rated. So you'd have to take my word for it.

Because even if I tell you such as alien experience or any psychic phenomenon, I could still be like other youtubers who should be taken as possible fake experience. What matters is that I know that I can access and many others have. It is best that you obtain your own experience then you'd know.

[DaleP]

16 hours ago, Mr H said:

These types of video are very interesting and can fuel interesting speculation.

 

But Gaia channel has no special access to truth that you or are don't have. And if the information can't be replicated in actual experience by it's listeners I would just take as interesting speculation and not as fact or reality.

 

A lot of these videos take people power away, as most are seekers, and the only place worthy seeking is within - people see a channel or teacher and think ah yes they got it, they know the truth I'll follow them which can be distracting.

 

Interesting line of thoughts.

I watch it as not necessarily as fact but for an inspiration, a reason to search. You shut the door, I open to see.

[Jason57]

If there is an executive God, he's fully responsible for every loving and evil act that's ever occurred. Think about it, an all creating, all knowing God that's in control of everything? That God let' clowns like Lucifer/Baal/Molech/Satan an demons run around tormenting God's most cherished creation and does nothing to stop it. If God cared or was still invested in humanity he wouldn't like these fucking clowns run around causing havoc.

 

If Satan or the Devil is human's sinful nature, surely God could've just killed Adam and Eve and started the human creation process again from scratch, without creating the tree of knowledge or sin.

[Mr H]

18 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

What is the difference between a 'moment' and the 'now'? 

Moment= time

Now (eternally ever present now) = beyond time

[Maddy]

2 hours ago, Jason57 said:

If there is an executive God, he's fully responsible for every loving and evil act that's ever occurred. Think about it, an all creating, all knowing God that's in control of everything? That God let' clowns like Lucifer/Baal/Molech/Satan an demons run around tormenting God's most cherished creation and does nothing to stop it. If God cared or was still invested in humanity he wouldn't like these fucking clowns run around causing havoc.

 

If Satan or the Devil is human's sinful nature, surely God could've just killed Adam and Eve and started the human creation process again from scratch, without creating the tree of knowledge or sin.

 

I 100% agree. There was a time when I desperately wanted to understand how so many Christians could reconcile these huge contradictions; I thought there MUST be something I was not seeing.

However that search came abruptly to an end when one day I asked a lady how she managed to live every day with the belief that although she was 'saved', her husband and  four children were not. I asked how she lived day to day believing that they as unbelievers might burn in hell ? 

Her answer was ....".that once she was with the Lord his glory would be so great that he would wipe away all tears.... and therefore she would have no memory of them !"

I stopped asking questions after that .......

[Grumpy Grapes]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Moment= time

Now (eternally ever present now) = beyond time

I know this is difficult to discuss with human language/perception, but the 'now' could be regarded as an ever-growing bubble, but to me it is constantly changing, hence implying a temporal quality.

[Jason57]

1 hour ago, Maddy said:

 

I 100% agree. There was a time when I desperately wanted to understand how so many Christians could reconcile these huge contradictions; I thought there MUST be something I was not seeing.

However that search came abruptly to an end when one day I asked a lady how she managed to live every day with the belief that although she was 'saved', her husband and  four children were not. I asked how she lived day to day believing that they as unbelievers might burn in hell ? 

Her answer was ....".that once she was with the Lord his glory would be so great that he would wipe away all tears.... and therefore she would have no memory of them !"

I stopped asking questions after that .......

I do believe in a Creator, a spirit of love and everything, but the God's of religion that want constant worship,sacrifices etc are clearly not that Spirit of Love.

[Maddy]

38 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

I do believe in a Creator, a spirit of love and everything, but the God's of religion that want constant worship,sacrifices etc are clearly not that Spirit of Love.

 

As do I..... although I do struggle at times to reconcile that with the suffering..... especially of children :(

[Jason57]

1 hour ago, Maddy said:

 

As do I..... although I do struggle at times to reconcile that with the suffering..... especially of children :(

Supposedly, going by the OT, when humanity bowed the knee to the serpent in the garden, it gave all Authority to the serpent over humanity. So, if we're not keeping the OT laws, sickness, death and evil can afflict us. I honestly don't know anymore. It seems our creator has lost all control over everything.

[Mr H]

19 hours ago, Maddy said:

 

As do I..... although I do struggle at times to reconcile that with the suffering..... especially of children :(

Yeah for me this is the most difficult to reconcile with option 1. 

 

Surely if there was an outside god controlling everything he would endeavour to make experience pleasant, even if an illusion, but is not the case for most people.

[DaleP]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Yeah for me this is the most difficult to reconcile with option 1. 

 

Surely if there was an outside god controlling everything he would endeavour to make experience pleasant, even if an illusion, but is not the case for most people.

 

But there is no outside god controlling.

If you are confined in a room (god's laws as in physics such as gravity doesn't make things go upwards etc) and you can only move within the four walls, you have a free will to move any point in the room but restricted by the four solid walls (physics). The frame work is there but the wall is not controlling you.

 

There is nothing pleasant or unplesant about it. It is what you make of it. After all some love BDSM play while others find it strange and unplesant.

Edited June 5 by DaleP

[peter]

On 6/2/2023 at 11:35 PM, Origin said:

But we can say with certainty that time and space neither exist.

I agree time doesn't exist  but why doesn't space exist, since you are so certain you must have a reason

[Origin]

15 hours ago, peter said:

I agree time doesn't exist  but why doesn't space exist, since you are so certain you must have a reason

Mr H wrote this. I was just responding to that. Assuming that I have seen things that contradict current notions, I cant ignore that.  And a different context of spatial expanse exists. Something else seems to fill all the voids that is not designed for humans. I would describe the known universe as remarkably minuscule. It is not my responsibility that the system that is in place here creates a false understanding and ignores the presence of an intelligence that has created this construct. 

[peter]

7 hours ago, Origin said:

Mr H wrote this. I was just responding to that. Assuming that I have seen things that contradict current notions, I cant ignore that.  And a different context of spatial expanse exists. Something else seems to fill all the voids that is not designed for humans. I would describe the known universe as remarkably minuscule. It is not my responsibility that the system that is in place here creates a false understanding and ignores the presence of an intelligence that has created this construct. 

,once again you have answered with your favorite word,  SOMETHING.

Are you sure you don't work for NASA  (Never A Straight Answer).

[peter]

On 6/5/2023 at 12:27 AM, Jason57 said:

That God let' clowns like Lucifer/Baal/Molech/Satan an demons run around tormenting God's most cherished creation and does nothing to stop it.

What makes you think humanity is god's most cherished creation,what makes us any better than  another life form. If we are gods best all I can say he must have been having an off day or maybe just maybe he got sick of creating perfection and just created us for a bit of light entertainment, come the weekend big G can let his hair down with a few of his mates and watch all us idiots running around. ( hey god whats happening ,they have just build atomic weapons, shit this should be good ,save me a seat) 

Just quietly if there is an executive god I think he she or it could have done a lot bloody better.

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