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When I really observe my experience. Things like we call subconscious become more apparent. And the way we make decisions becomes more apparent.

 

To me the way they present themselves is similar to a series of "if" statements.

 

If this situation occurs, I will do xy or z, based upon past knowledge.

 

With spiritual work, these if statements seemingly become extended and there is seemingly more scope for creative action.

 

But now I've kind of got to the stage where something deep inside has a desire to operate the matrix without any conditional statements, without fear - wants to free style it and see what happens.

 

But there seems to be an over riding programme and a function of habit to return to the old programming.

 

How does one break free and operate in a completely different way?

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I am very much in the same 'place' Mr H. Or at least I think I am based on what I assume you are saying 🤣. Almost daily now, I am observing myself straddling both 'Worlds'; the old belief system and programming, and this newer higher level of consciousness that is breaking free of the old. So daily, I am observing the 'but what would they think of this', or the 'what if I get criticized', but the strange thing is, that being aware of this is severely limiting the 'old's' power. 

 

I know this is not exactly what you are saying here, but I guess the part I am feeling resonates is the much higher consciousness that is 'present' in all my thoughts, interactions, actions......I have never felt so balanced and so much 'peace' as I am experiencing now. And what comes with that, is a higher level observer 'I' that is overseeing it all and making much higher perspective choices. 

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On 5/24/2023 at 10:19 PM, Mr H said:

How does one break free and operate in a completely different way?

 

Good question! DI didn't chose the book title 'Perception, Deception' for no reason because it's so important.

Remember a bird in a cage with an open door which doesn't fly out?

We have been programmed to live in a confined world. So by controlling our perception through programming, you will not seek other possibilities and if you did they will tell you it's a sin or oh it's evil etc and you will not look. As a black sheep, I do venture out....like many I didn't want to at first but the circumstance meant that I had to.

 

So the answer is to expand your perception! Listen to other people's strange, out of the world experience, miraculous stories etc.

OK, some will be fake click baits but you will find real stories like walking through a wall or a half of the physical body disappearing etc.

If aliens can do it, we probably can but we haven't figured out many things. Information is out there in Akashic. It's good to have question like this to stimulate discussion but we need to pull answers by ourselves because.....are you gonna wait till someone writes a book on it? You can access Akashic.

 

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While we are talking about perception.... have you read this book OP? It's about Abyss and the other world.

I read somewhere that Choronzon is fearful of silent mind. Of course, it being a chaotic nature, it wouldn't like stillness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYwjXe19GYg

 

It made sense why people who are tired, near death etc starts to hallucinate.

Also it tells you how one can shapeshift into an animal. It is done by people that follows Obeah.

The mirror in the water bit sounds very interesting.

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I also forgot to add to the above post.....

So it looks like people who have disappeared off the Earth in the past is likely e.g. in Mexico area.

Once you master this, you can disappear. It would be handy if you know apocalypse is coming.

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On 5/24/2023 at 10:19 PM, Mr H said:

How does one break free and operate in a completely different way?

 

I've just started looking into Druidry, so this is very much my initial impressions. But most orders operate with a three level of training, the first stage is the Bardic stage which is about expressing our creative side. Bards are the storytellers, singers, poets and artists of the tribe but nowadays this seems to be taken more widely as creativity in general. They have rituals to receive the Awen, which is a Welsh name for the artistic muse and inspiration although I haven't started down this path yet. 

On 5/24/2023 at 10:19 PM, Mr H said:

With spiritual work, these if statements seemingly become extended and there is seemingly more scope for creative action.

 

Maybe the spiritual (and artistic) work helps to relax the linear logical thinking mind and opening up space for the subconscious to emerge, the emotional to express itself. 

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1 hour ago, Campion said:

 

I've just started looking into Druidry, so this is very much my initial impressions. But most orders operate with a three level of training, the first stage is the Bardic stage which is about expressing our creative side. Bards are the storytellers, singers, poets and artists of the tribe but nowadays this seems to be taken more widely as creativity in general. They have rituals to receive the Awen, which is a Welsh name for the artistic muse and inspiration although I haven't started down this path yet. 

 

Maybe the spiritual (and artistic) work helps to relax the linear logical thinking mind and opening up space for the subconscious to emerge, the emotional to express itself. 

This has been my experience with 'Spiritual work', it is like my subconscious mind has more power these days than my conscious mind. I just seem to 'know stuff' that I shouldn't, or am able to read situations and pick up on the very subtle, and to be able to collate 'separate' bits of information and bring it together. I have also had a few 'psychic' experiences which I believe are part of this. 

 

I possibly live more from the 'intuitive' these days than I do the logical. 

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21 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

This has been my experience with 'Spiritual work', it is like my subconscious mind has more power these days than my conscious mind. I just seem to 'know stuff' that I shouldn't, or am able to read situations and pick up on the very subtle, and to be able to collate 'separate' bits of information and bring it together. I have also had a few 'psychic' experiences which I believe are part of this. 

 

I possibly live more from the 'intuitive' these days than I do the logical. 

He hee. I'm in some ways trying the opposite.

 

In that what we call subconscious direction and conditioning has been revealed in very clear detail - this if where I write I can see the multiple if statements and why certain functions are chosen. Subconscious is acting in its own way as a protective layer against reality based upon passed events and trauma. But I don't feel I need this protection anymore and would like to navigate without this programming.

 

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Just now, Mr H said:

He hee. I'm in some ways trying the opposite.

 

In that what we call subconscious direction and conditioning has been revealed in very clear detail - this if where I write I can see the multiple if statements and why certain functions are chosen. Subconscious is acting in its own way as a protective layer against reality based upon passed events and trauma. But I don't feel I need this protection anymore and would like to navigate without this programming.

 

It is interesting how we both see this. I see it differently, but maybe that is down to 'our starting points'? For me, I have healed a lot of old traumas and beliefs going back to the beginning of 'my life', and perhaps even ancestral stuff. So as I have healed a lot, including the shadow, I am finding that a lot more 'information' is coming through from what 'could' be my subconscious, or maybe it is my intuition/higher self. 

 

So at least for me personally, I am finding myself operating less and less from 'programming' that ever before. Now of course, there are always levels within levels, and perhaps what I am experiencing is 'freedom' from the old programming that being honest was rife in my life relating to very limiting beliefs systems based on 'worth'. It could be that I am experiencing euphoria from feeling a freedom I have never felt previously. 

 

Healing my trauma and shadow, have provided the greatest 'leaps' in growth I have thus far experienced. But perhaps, there are many more levels to go through yet. 

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55 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

It is interesting how we both see this. I see it differently, but maybe that is down to 'our starting points'? For me, I have healed a lot of old traumas and beliefs going back to the beginning of 'my life', and perhaps even ancestral stuff. So as I have healed a lot, including the shadow, I am finding that a lot more 'information' is coming through from what 'could' be my subconscious, or maybe it is my intuition/higher self. 

 

So at least for me personally, I am finding myself operating less and less from 'programming' that ever before. Now of course, there are always levels within levels, and perhaps what I am experiencing is 'freedom' from the old programming that being honest was rife in my life relating to very limiting beliefs systems based on 'worth'. It could be that I am experiencing euphoria from feeling a freedom I have never felt previously. 

 

Healing my trauma and shadow, have provided the greatest 'leaps' in growth I have thus far experienced. But perhaps, there are many more levels to go through yet. 

Yes I understand and have been on similar journey.

 

Probably didn't write too clearly in my OP. But mentioned that with spiritual work there is more freedom..... I got there from doing similar work to what you mention. And I did appear to have more freedom.

 

But when the stories disappear I am left more with pure mathematical functions. This seems to be the base layer of my programming. And was wondering if this as well as the stories can be transcended and total freedom achieved..

 

I'm probably not explaining myself very well I find it difficult to write about the inner world.

 

 

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To try and give an example.

 

You have a trauma and it causes conditioning that you live with for 10 years. You're not aware of the conditioning.

 

You do some spiritual work and find out that this trauma was the cause.

 

There is understanding, relief and space for other stuff.

 

But if I really examine, the formulation of the programme is still there somewhere, even if dramatically lessened. This comprises of multiple if statements in certain situations. This that I am trying to investigate 

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Just now, Mr H said:

Yes I understand and have been on similar journey.

 

Probably didn't write too clearly in my OP. But mentioned that with spiritual work there is more freedom..... I got there from doing similar work to what you mention. And I did appear to have more freedom.

 

But when the stories disappear I am left more with pure mathematical functions. This seems to be the base layer of my programming. And was wondering if this as well as the stories can be transcended and total freedom achieved..

 

I'm probably not explaining myself very well I find it difficult to write about the inner world.

 

 

Yeah, I totally get the struggle to put things in to words at times. I was trying to write something on the thread I created 'what is the purpose of this reality', but could not quite formulate the words, or I perhaps would be better putting it as 'struggling to make the inner - outer'. 

 

It is an interesting idea you put there. When I read it, I could not help thinking, 'I wonder what players/characters in a game, would feel if they suddenly 'woke up', would they suddenly see 'their reality' in pure mathematics if you removed their programming'? Would they suddenly simply see themselves as binary numbers, or mathematical equations. 

 

But maybe what you are experiencing is moving from one level of consciousness to another? I have certainly raised my levels over the last few years, and can 'see' this playing out in my daily 'life' numerous times a day. 

 

And like you, I am really struggling to put this stuff into words and 'meet you' where you are at. 

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Just reconsidering my communication skills, I guess a simpler way to phrase it would be, can old deep conditioning be 100% eradicated and transcended? Or it's just a case of we become aware of it, and it's a little less intense over time?

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3 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yeah, I totally get the struggle to put things in to words at times. I was trying to write something on the thread I created 'what is the purpose of this reality', but could not quite formulate the words, or I perhaps would be better putting it as 'struggling to make the inner - outer'. 

 

It is an interesting idea you put there. When I read it, I could not help thinking, 'I wonder what players/characters in a game, would feel if they suddenly 'woke up', would they suddenly see 'their reality' in pure mathematics if you removed their programming'? Would they suddenly simply see themselves as binary numbers, or mathematical equations. 

 

But maybe what you are experiencing is moving from one level of consciousness to another? I have certainly raised my levels over the last few years, and can 'see' this playing out in my daily 'life' numerous times a day. 

 

And like you, I am really struggling to put this stuff into words and 'meet you' where you are at. 

Thank you and at least I'm not the only one who struggles to find the right words at times.

 

I'm not sure about moving into different consciousness. But the more I see, the more this illusory physical world, appears to me, to be constructed like a mathematically constructed simulation type structure.

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Just now, Mr H said:

To try and give an example.

 

You have a trauma and it causes conditioning that you live with for 10 years. You're not aware of the conditioning.

 

You do some spiritual work and find out that this trauma was the cause.

 

There is understanding, relief and space for other stuff.

 

But if I really examine, the formulation of the programme is still there somewhere, even if dramatically lessened. This comprises of multiple if statements in certain situations. This that I am trying to investigate 

Yes, I experience this too Mr H. There are times when I can witness the old 'programming' which then gets stopped in its tracks and is replaced with awareness of that programming, but the mechanism or 'groove' with which that 'program' has run on for many years is still present, only with awareness and higher levels of consciousness, I can at least 'choose' the reaction to it, and then end point of that 'groove'. So what may have been 'oh that person did not seem to like me, I must really be a worthless piece of shit' in the past, (the groove of the program) is now 'that person did not seem to like me......recognition of reaction.....awareness/consciousness.......groove stopped....and new choice of 'conclusion' of that experience. 

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2 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yes, I experience this too Mr H. There are times when I can witness the old 'programming' which then gets stopped in its tracks and is replaced with awareness of that programming, but the mechanism or 'groove' with which that 'program' has run on for many years is still present, only with awareness and higher levels of consciousness, I can at least 'choose' the reaction to it, and then end point of that 'groove'. So what may have been 'oh that person did not seem to like me, I must really be a worthless piece of shit' in the past, (the groove of the program) is now 'that person did not seem to like me......recognition of reaction.....awareness/consciousness.......groove stopped....and new choice of 'conclusion' of that experience. 

Yes this is exactly it. And what I see at the heart of the groove, is simple mathematical structure.

 

And I have the same experience as you, that a new response can arise. But the fact that we had to go through the process, identifying cause, the programme and make a new choice, still means that at some level this groove still exists.

 

I wonder if it can completely go away? 

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Just now, Mr H said:

Yes this is exactly it. And what I see at the heart of the groove, is simple mathematical structure.

 

And I have the same experience as you, that a new response can arise. But the fact that we had to go through the process, identifying cause, the programme and make a new choice, still means that at some level this groove still exists.

 

I wonder if it can completely go away? 

Yeah good question. I believe that the really old stuff, the deep rooted programs may still have a 'groove' much like an operating system which functions on pathways and from data. But in my personal 'reality' I am seeing old beliefs changing and even some of the pathways changing as I keep working on raising my frequency which is outside the old frequencies. Again I am not expressing this very well 😀. Perhaps the truly deep, long held pathways will always exist to a degree, especially if these were compounded many times throughout ones life making these grooves deeper and more automatic. 

 

In saying that though, I am noticing changes that I could have only dreamed about 10 years ago. It doesn't change the fact that I do believe we could still be in a prison of sorts, or a simulation created by a crazy and evil AI or Alien being. I have spent a long time healing programs/beliefs/conclusions/trauma from my childhood. Some would say, they were the lessons I needed (and came here to learn), but a part of me doubts that these lessons would need to be learnt at all, and especially for a kid to go through that to then spend half their life undoing it all. But then perhaps this whole thing really is just a computer simulation, supported by things like astrology which is simply data/the rules of the program/coding. Perhaps you are starting to experience the mathematics behind it all. 

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12 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yeah good question. I believe that the really old stuff, the deep rooted programs may still have a 'groove' much like an operating system which functions on pathways and from data. But in my personal 'reality' I am seeing old beliefs changing and even some of the pathways changing as I keep working on raising my frequency which is outside the old frequencies. Again I am not expressing this very well 😀. Perhaps the truly deep, long held pathways will always exist to a degree, especially if these were compounded many times throughout ones life making these grooves deeper and more automatic. 

 

In saying that though, I am noticing changes that I could have only dreamed about 10 years ago. It doesn't change the fact that I do believe we could still be in a prison of sorts, or a simulation created by a crazy and evil AI or Alien being. I have spent a long time healing programs/beliefs/conclusions/trauma from my childhood. Some would say, they were the lessons I needed (and came here to learn), but a part of me doubts that these lessons would need to be learnt at all, and especially for a kid to go through that to then spend half their life undoing it all. But then perhaps this whole thing really is just a computer simulation, supported by things like astrology which is simply data/the rules of the program/coding. Perhaps you are starting to experience the mathematics behind it all. 

Awesome sharing. And by us clumsily discusscussing together has helped me understand better. TY. And it's awesome to hear about the positive changes in your experience.

 

Yes I'm not sure about the lessons aspect and karma.

 

I'm certain karma exists if you believe it does, but outside that I'm not convinced.

 

Who is it that needs these lessons if everything is one? Doesn't the one know already? Or it wants to experience it in this reality via a finite self? 

 

I don't know for sure, but I try and stay away from that type of thinking because for me it places limitations on my experience - 

 

Edit. If it does exist I think again it works like a mathematical function. I.e. if X happens then y happens. Rather than a personal figure conjuring up karmic stories for everybody 

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2 hours ago, Mr H said:

Awesome sharing. And by us clumsily discusscussing together has helped me understand better. TY. And it's awesome to hear about the positive changes in your experience.

 

Yes I'm not sure about the lessons aspect and karma.

 

I'm certain karma exists if you believe it does, but outside that I'm not convinced.

 

Who is it that needs these lessons if everything is one? Doesn't the one know already? Or it wants to experience it in this reality via a finite self? 

 

I don't know for sure, but I try and stay away from that type of thinking because for me it places limitations on my experience - 

 

Edit. If it does exist I think again it works like a mathematical function. I.e. if X happens then y happens. Rather than a personal figure conjuring up karmic stories for everybody 

Yes, I must admit, having let a lot of people go over the last few years, I do miss the conversations I used to have with some of those people, which often allowed me to 'stretch' my thinking more and more. I no longer get lonely, but I do miss deep connections with people I can have great conversations with. It is one of the biggest challenges I personally face in this reality; having so much thoughts and trying to navigate my learning and figuring out this stuff, without many people to talk on these deep levels with. But then again, perhaps that is part of my own growth, not needing others to get stuff done, to be able to create and to come to the answers on my own. Perhaps the 'answers' are different for all of us too. 

 

Exactly, I have pondered this too. What purpose could there be to send separate aspects out, in an effort to learn more about itself, when 'it is all that is, all that it ever was, and all that ever could be' (loosely quoting David Icke). 

 

I do agree that all of this is likely mathematical, it would make sense that whatever this 'creation' is, was made from mathematics and vibration. It may be that we do have 'free-will' here, but there are pre-determined consequences for all actions. 

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