webtrekker Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 26 minutes ago, sock muppet said: And can i just add a reminder that this has cyber polygon written all over it, it is being sold/promoted as convenience as per usual, then the flick gets switched(not a typo) and POOF all your data disappears into oblivion, do you have a backup of a backup, if not, then you have no backup at all, jus sayin. Artificial.Intelligence, nay, Arrogant.Ignorance more like, on electroids, A backup of what, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, webtrekker said: A backup of what, exactly? Your data, all of your files, movies, documents, pictures and the like, just a cautionary warning and preferably air-gapped as well, Edit: and just to further clarify, it's not just the data that is important but the effort that went into creating/accumulating it, it's quite something to watch terabytes of stuff go down the plug hole into null space, not nice at all, bit like having a big rare book collection go up in flames Edited May 18 by sock muppet xrta info, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, sock muppet said: Your data, all of your files, movies, documents, pictures and the like, just a cautionary warning and preferably air-gapped as well, All of my data is on external backups. Hard drives, thumb drives and DVD's. Anything I have in the so-called 'Cloud' is backed up on physical media too so, unless THEY knock on the door and take away my backups, then there's no other way they can lay their dirty paws on them. It's got nothing to do with AI. I also have hard copies of important stuff incase of blackouts or if the internet disappears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, webtrekker said: All of my data is on external backups. Hard drives, thumb drives and DVD's. Anything I have in the so-called 'Cloud' is backed up on physical media too so, unless THEY knock on the door and take away my backups, then there's no other way they can lay their dirty paws on them. It's got nothing to do with AI. I also have hard copies of important stuff incase of blackouts or if the internet disappears. Its surprising how many people over look this simple fact, like me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 In fact, to be honest, I don't have a lot of data that would interest them anywa, at least not enought that THEY would go to so much effort to steal it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 (edited) 19 minutes ago, sock muppet said: Its surprising how many people over look this simple fact, like me When I had an important HDD crash on me a couple of years back I tried everything I knew to retrieve the data, to no avail, so I took it to a good friend who owns a computer repair shop. It was complicated because the HDD was part of a RAID system so he had to ask another mate for a RAID board that matched mine. Luckily he got one and after 3 days managed to retrieve most of the important data. I asked him the best way to keep backups to stop this happening again. Of course he mentioned the cloud and external drives etc, but said the best way was to burn DVD's. They'd probably last the rest of my life and weren't prone to virus or ransomeware attacks. So a tip is to keep all of your verey, VERY, important files on DVD's (and duplicate those too for extra protection). Edited May 18 by webtrekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, webtrekker said: When I had an important HDD crash on me a couple of years back I tried everything I knew to retrieve the data to no avail, so I took it to a good friend who ownas a computer repair shop. It was complicated because the HDD was part of a RAID sytem so he had to ask another mate for a RAID board that matched mine. Luckily he got one and after 3 days managed to retrieve most of the important data. I asked him the best way to keep backups to stop this happening again. Of course he mentioned the cloud and external drives etc, but said the best way was to burn DVD's. They'd probably last the rest of my life and weren't prone to virus or ransomeware attacks. So a tip is to keep all of your verey, VERY, important files on DVD's (and duplicate those too for extra protection). The plastic cd/dvd/bluray is crap and has a shelf life as they suffer bit rot 15 years or so i think, best is still the spinny disk, kept from being abused and powered down should last the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, sock muppet said: The last three years has been a mammoth effort to search out the net for anything that we can find to the answer of convid, much of it is incriminating evidence, cyber polygon gets mentioned and you have a statement of intent to remove all of that incriminating evidence from the net along with everything else, there's a banking crisis that is happening right now, big reset nonsense and the fact that 'THEY' wanted everyone either 'chipped' or dead and were going after the children as well, so in my view morality is not an issue for 'THEM' either but getting caught, tried and hung when found guilty by judge and jury 'IS'. The thing is, you can't live your life in constant fear. I've said and posted stuff for years that would incriminate me if they so wished. I can't let that worry me, and I can't turn back time, so I just carry on with my life enjoying what I can and passing on advice to my family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sock muppet said: The plastic cd/dvd/bluray is crap and has a shelf life as they suffer bit rot 15 years or so i think, best is still the spinny disk, kept from being abused and powered down should last the best, Believe me, hard drive crashes are more common than you think. Have you ever opened up a drive and seen how femor they are? (BTW, don't do that with a working drive! They're hermetically sealed and a speck of dust can make them inoperable). I've got DVD's from over 20 years ago that still work fine. You can always copy them onto new discs every so often if you're concerned about it. Remember, I only keep IMPORTANT info on these to limit the amount I need. Edited May 18 by webtrekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just now, webtrekker said: The thing is, you can't live your life in constant fear. I've said and posted stuff for years that would incriminate me if they so wished. I can't let that worry me, and I can't turn back time, so I just carry on with my life enjoying what I can and passing on advice to my family. I agree and i learned to let go of all of my research and start again, problem with the net is once you suffer something like this then you quickly realise that the public facing part is just transient noise that gets interacted with, and also the last three years should by now should have taught a lesson in how things are edited to suit the current paradigm to best accommodate the lying deceiving shitbags that have been gaming the menticide operation to escape justice with respect to convid, just think of all the data that got destroyed by people being bounced out of screw u tube, not nice at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 3 minutes ago, webtrekker said: Believe me, hard drive crashes are more common than you think. Have you ever opened up a drive and seen how femor they are? (BTW, don't do that with a working drive! They're hermetically sealed and a speck of dust can make them inoperable). I've got DVD's from over 20 years ago that still work fine. You can always copy them onto new discs every so often if you're concerned about it. Remember, I only keep IMPORTANT info on these to limit the amount I need. HDD POWERED DOWN, it is used to store and not interact with on a daily basis, it is there to recover from, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sock muppet said: HDD POWERED DOWN, it is used to store and not interact with on a daily basis, it is there to recover from, Is it an external HDD and also disconnected (ie. USB lead unplugged)? You should only connect your external backup drive when you actually need to transfer files, and make sure you are disconnected from the internet. TOTALLY. If not, you may get a ransomeware attack that will destroy your backups. Unplug your drive again as soon as your file transfers are completed. I've accumulated Terabytes of data but, as I say, the important stuff that I never want to lose is kept on a handful of DVD's and an external drive. Edited May 18 by webtrekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 13 minutes ago, sock muppet said: best is still the spinny disk, kept from being abused and powered down should last the best The best storage medium currently used is human DNA .... and it lasts the longest! Some reports state that a single gram can hold (and it can be retrieved, written again over and over) over 7 billion books. That a single human's DNA can hold over 14 billion years of data! Just one link but there are now scientific papers on this (hopefully not all bullshit??) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dna-the-ultimate-data-storage-solution/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Oh also glass is being used as well https://medium.com/short-bits/nano-structured-glass-a-future-of-data-storage-1ec1195ed6b 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 5 minutes ago, webtrekker said: Is it an external HDD and also disconnected (ie. USB lead unplugged)? You should only connect your external backup drive when you actually need to transfer files Yes that is about the best policy to use, external/internal makes no difference whatever is cheapest, mine just hang out the box on the wires, i'm a steam punk anarchist that dictates the state of my electrodongles, It is just a question of time between backup hygiene Vs amount of data you are willing to sacrifice should it go all horribly wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 4 minutes ago, lake said: Oh also glass is being used as well https://medium.com/short-bits/nano-structured-glass-a-future-of-data-storage-1ec1195ed6b Crystal being the optimum structure to write on like Quartz, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtrekker Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, sock muppet said: It is just a question of time between backup hygiene Vs amount of data you are willing to sacrifice should it go all horribly wrong. That is so true. I think possibly the worst thing to backup onto (and many people do) is an SSD. Yes, they're wonderful: small, low energy, and fast, but you get NO warning of when an SSD is about to fail, so there is NO chance of retrieving your data. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 11 minutes ago, lake said: The best storage medium currently used is human DNA .... and it lasts the longest! Some reports state that a single gram can hold (and it can be retrieved, written again over and over) over 7 billion books. That a single human's DNA can hold over 14 billion years of data! Just one link but there are now scientific papers on this (hopefully not all bullshit??) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dna-the-ultimate-data-storage-solution/ DNA CGAT no different to mark and space which is just binary that all computers work on, assemble the structure as it is written, i would think that there are other long chain molecules that could also be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 8 minutes ago, webtrekker said: We should open a thread about this. It has swayed from the original topic! Ask the mods to split the off topic posts about data storage into a new thread (I know they enjoy doing that lol) .... @Bombadil @screamingeagle @Anti Facts Sir Maybe they can call the new thread .... Information Data Storage - Best Medium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 This is an interesting wiki page on the subject of holographic data storge, Superman Crystals, 5D optical storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage Quote from wiki: '5D optical data storage (also branded as Superman memory crystal,[1] a reference to the Kryptonian memory crystals from the Superman franchise) is an experimental nanostructured glass for permanently recording digital data using a femtosecond laser writing process.[2] Discs using this technology could be capable of storing up to 360 terabytes worth of data[3][4] for billions of years.[5][6][7][8] The concept was experimentally demonstrated in 2013.[9][10][11] Hitachi and Microsoft have researched glass-based optical storage techniques, the latter under the name Project Silica.[12][13] The "5-dimensional" descriptor is for marketing purposes, since the device has 3 physical dimensions and no exotic higher dimensional properties. The fractal/holographic nature of its data storage is also purely 3-dimensional. The size, orientation and three-dimensional position of the nanostructures make up the claimed five dimensions.[3]'. https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/27/3417918/hitachi-quartz-glass-data-preservation Hitachi invents quartz glass storage capable of preserving data for millions of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Bit of trivia on optical data storage, here is a scene from the master of sci-fi H.G. Wells The Time Machine where they spin the disks with Earth's history embedded in them, the idea has been around for sometime, the book was published in 1895. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 22 hours ago, lake said: The best storage medium currently used is human DNA .... and it lasts the longest! Some reports state that a single gram can hold (and it can be retrieved, written again over and over) over 7 billion books. That a single human's DNA can hold over 14 billion years of data! Just one link but there are now scientific papers on this (hopefully not all bullshit??) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dna-the-ultimate-data-storage-solution/ This is why i find threads infuriating in the strict policy of 'on topic please' because everything is connected and it does not take too much discussion in one to make connections in another, such as here, https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/31958-mystery-of-the-bible-tabernacles-and-temples-finally-revealed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 5/18/2023 at 5:02 PM, webtrekker said: The thing is, you can't live your life in constant fear. I've said and posted stuff for years that would incriminate me if they so wished. I can't let that worry me, and I can't turn back time, so I just carry on with my life enjoying what I can and passing on advice to my family. It's a choice between you live in fear that something bad will happen OR you hope for the best. Chances are that whichever you decide manifest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleP Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 5/18/2023 at 5:23 PM, lake said: Oh also glass is being used as well https://medium.com/short-bits/nano-structured-glass-a-future-of-data-storage-1ec1195ed6b Project Silica. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RKpA1OiEFE If you want to go esoteric, the Earth consists of silica and this is where all the history is stored. So if you want to access the history, best to get in touch with the Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 18 hours ago, DaleP said: So if you want to access the history, best to get in touch with the Earth. Currently I am considering the concept that 'Personal History ' is stored within the individuals shadow?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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