Do you need to do 'Spiritual Work' to ascend?

[BornFreeNowAgain]

This is not presented as an answer or theory, but more as a question to open up debate and input. I suppose it is also presumes that there are ways to 'escape' this 'reality, and that terms such as 'ascension' really exist within whatever this 'realm' is. 

 

Do we need to do 'spiritual work' to be able to ascend, escape, or raise our vibrational frequency above this reality so that we can escape and move beyond the 4th dimension? Are we able to do all the above by simply taking in 'information' or 'truth alone', or do we also need to align this with Spiritual work? Can those who only seek out information and truth, also become truly 'free'. or will they ultimately still need to do Spiritual work to progress? 

 

Conversely, is it possible to 'ascend' purely by doing Spiritual work, without also becoming a 'conspiracy theorist'? Will Spiritual work alone, also afford us ultimate 'freedom' or is 'truth' also required? I will use a couple of examples here to try to clarify what I am wondering. Before COVID I had a few 'Spiritual friends' who were on a spectrum of 'awake' also; from say 10% to 40% on the 'awake spectrum' to the conspiracy of this reality. All of them ended up getting jabbed, and I cannot help but think that their reluctance to truly see the conspiracy side of things allowed them to be more easily coerced with fear and social conformity to roll their sleeves up. Being Spiritual for them was not quite enough. 

 

I recently attended a 'Coffee and Spirituality' Meet-Up group locally, and there were a range of people on the spectrum of being Spiritual. One had self-authored a couple of books on Spiritual concepts, and another had an amazing recall on so many Spiritual concepts, able to reel them of at will, which was quite impressive. I was sitting at the head of the table and another member was sitting at the other end so we didn't really get much chance to talk. However, when one of the members sitting next to me asked me about employment I answered honestly, telling them that I had been 'stood down' from my job for refusal to take the jabs. The other member at the other head of the table suddenly peaked interest and asked me more as he had also experienced this. What was interesting is that I could 'feel' the other members close to me (the author and the guru) completely close down their energy fields and went eerily quiet. Another member had mentioned something earlier about 'conspiracy theories'. So what I realised was that there was a good chance that most of the other members were jabbed. Talking to the other member who was interested in my story, he mentioned that he had attended 3 or 4 meet-ups and the others did seem averse to 'conspiracy theories'. 

 

It made me realise even more that being 'Spiritual' will only take you so far, and may in fact leave you in pretty much the same position as large sections of the population. I also wonder how 'Spiritual' you can truly be, if you never develop a working and attuned level of 'intuition'? I don't say all this to be judgmental, we all have our own path. But, I do wonder if this reveals something significant about what is needed to break free of this 'reality'. 

 

On the other side I see many 'truth seekers' who year after year are still seeking more and more information, but who don't really delve into any Spiritual work. You then see them acting out their shadow, never perhaps going through the ego death, or through Dark Nights of the Soul, and again you wonder how far you can get without doing 'the work'. Maybe there is no 'right or wrong', but I do wonder what others think about this subject. 

[oz93666]

Hi Born Free ... I've read your post very carefully ... the word Spiritual and spiritual work comes up many times so perhaps first we should explore what we/you mean by this ..

 

to get an idea I searched 'Coffe and Spirituality' ... you said you went to a meeting with that billing , what sort of people would be expected to attend such a meeting? 

 

My search turned up nothing except some links suggesting coffe {and alchol} were inimical to the spiritual path. LOL 

 

I guess the person organising this group would be someone promoting their own spiritual doctrine , a Christian , or Hari Krishna , and they just tacked on coffe to get people to come.

 

I used to think spiritual work was sitting in the lotus , stilling the mind , doing yoga , of which I've done a lot ... I now think it's just expressing love in all you do .. 

 

Nothing else  matters too much , not even taking the jab  or not ..... Those who are weary of jabs do have a truer understanding of the state of the world. They understand government does not have your interests at heart ..... but as it turned out 99.999% who did take the jab are still alive and kicking. 

 

This world is a tough place .. we all voluntered to come here to take on the problem of evil which has got a grip here. If we are succesful we all ascend to a realm with greater freedoms and posibilities.

 

The only way to win is to call on Divine intervention to heal the perpetrators . 

[Mr H]

"blinking is too much effort for the sage"

 

You don't need to do anything.

 

Important to realise that everything, and all experience is God.

 

Everything you think you do, god does and it's god's will. There is no personal will.

 

Sit back and relax and let god unfold himself.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

10 hours ago, oz93666 said:

Hi Born Free ... I've read your post very carefully ... the word Spiritual and spiritual work comes up many times so perhaps first we should explore what we/you mean by this ..

 

to get an idea I searched 'Coffe and Spirituality' ... you said you went to a meeting with that billing , what sort of people would be expected to attend such a meeting? 

 

My search turned up nothing except some links suggesting coffe {and alchol} were inimical to the spiritual path. LOL 

 

I guess the person organising this group would be someone promoting their own spiritual doctrine , a Christian , or Hari Krishna , and they just tacked on coffe to get people to come.

 

I used to think spiritual work was sitting in the lotus , stilling the mind , doing yoga , of which I've done a lot ... I now think it's just expressing love in all you do .. 

 

Nothing else  matters too much , not even taking the jab  or not ..... Those who are weary of jabs do have a truer understanding of the state of the world. They understand government does not have your interests at heart ..... but as it turned out 99.999% who did take the jab are still alive and kicking. 

 

This world is a tough place .. we all voluntered to come here to take on the problem of evil which has got a grip here. If we are succesful we all ascend to a realm with greater freedoms and posibilities.

 

The only way to win is to call on Divine intervention to heal the perpetrators . 

Hi oz. 

 

Yeah the Coffee and Spirituality MeetUp was originally organised by another organiser years ago. The current facilitator or organizer has run it for 3 years with the group being active for 8 I believe. I guess for Australian's coffee kind of goes with anything , in fact the only businesses thriving these days, appear to be cafes. 

 

Actually the group doesn't really seem to have a doctrine, although of course, I have only attended once, and we will all run things from a somewhat biased position or from our own belief system. The MeetUp happens monthly and there is a 'loose' topic suggested each month, last month was 'karma' but of course, each person's definition of karma is different so the topic moved around into grief, trauma, manifestation and many others. 

 

Yes, my own definition of 'Spirituality' has shifted and morphed so much over the years too. I don't really put any definitions on it these days, hence my use of things like 'Spiritual' and 'free' or 'truth'. 

 

I guess for me, the question is, can you 'ascend' through 'truth' alone, or does one need to do 'Spiritual work' or at least 'healing work'? David Icke often says 'expand your perception' which is suppose is the same thing. But, I also believe that not all people can expand that perception fully, without also doing some healing. 

 

Thanks for your input and I hope you are well. I saw on another thread recently that you are based in Thailand? How are things in that part of the World? 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

8 hours ago, Mr H said:

"blinking is too much effort for the sage"

 

You don't need to do anything.

 

Important to realise that everything, and all experience is God.

 

Everything you think you do, god does and it's god's will. There is no personal will.

 

Sit back and relax and let god unfold himself.

I am seeing many examples of people, who don't appear to need to do 'anything' so I would agree with you Mr H, to an extent. You see people like Jason Breshears who at least on the 'outside' doesn't appear to be 'Spiritual' but has expanded his perception to great levels. There are others of course. And I suppose we never really know what 'work' or 'healing' a person has done. 

 

The other thing is, that on one level, we are not equal (in the eyes of the Divine we might be), but in an Earthly sense, one person might undergo a tremendous amount of trauma early in life that might set them on a course very different from others, and which would require healing to truly be free, or ven to get to a level where 'expanding your perception' is even possible. 

[DaleP]

Imagine we are like Russian wooden dolls.

The ONE, the Creator split into what we call 'higher beings'.....and we are split soul from that therefore, we are one already.

'So Within, So Without'. You have an access to the higher knowledge, beings because on the higher plane/dimension, you are IT but you cannot escape from this 3D just like the video game character always live in the game. Yet we are already up there. People cannot access akashic record because we have been stuffed with programming e.g. filtres that prevent us from accessing it. It's like the Sun which is always shining but when there are clouds, we cannot see it. So we need to unprogramme ourselves in order to regain access to the knowledge. But I'd say, not everyone is going to 'ascend' or live a spiritually minded life i.e. according to the God's law. Many would need to reincarnate many times to reach a point where they start questioning.

 

'Expanding' or opening the 3rd eye could be dangerous to certain people if they are not ready.

As we shift into higher vibration, those that have not been doing the work, got jabbed (even worse off) and cannot cope with the higher frequency and either go lala or die.

Imagine higher voltage energy, if a cable is thin and cannot take the load, it burns. Same thing happening to people now...though not literally combusting.

[oz93666]

10 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I guess for me, the question is, can you 'ascend' through 'truth' alone, or does one need to do 'Spiritual work' or at least 'healing work'? 

I would say we all have to take effective action ,understanding the truth tells you What action , I believe  this is mainly Prayer ... believe  in God and calling on Him to heal the malevolent ET's so they move on ... The rules of this free will reality dictate we have to invite His help or it will not come ... My understanding is we all ascend together , or if the darkness wins the ascention doesn't take place and a reset is posible and we start again . 

10 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

 David Icke often says 'expand your perception'

I've  no idea what DI means by that ...  should we take drugs like  Ayahuasca? ... or learn more about conspyracy to understand the truth about the world ? 

He really should spell out exactly what actions he thinks we need to take to  "expand our perception".

 

10 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

 I hope you are well. I saw on another thread recently that you are based in Thailand? How are things in that part of the World? 

 

Yes , I'm in a remote location , see very few people , waiting for the rains to come , the Durian trees are thirsty .( income from durian and mangoteen and oil palm) 

[Mr H]

12 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I am seeing many examples of people, who don't appear to need to do 'anything' so I would agree with you Mr H, to an extent. You see people like Jason Breshears who at least on the 'outside' doesn't appear to be 'Spiritual' but has expanded his perception to great levels. There are others of course. And I suppose we never really know what 'work' or 'healing' a person has done. 

 

The other thing is, that on one level, we are not equal (in the eyes of the Divine we might be), but in an Earthly sense, one person might undergo a tremendous amount of trauma early in life that might set them on a course very different from others, and which would require healing to truly be free, or ven to get to a level where 'expanding your perception' is even possible. 

Yes I would question what is the spiritual path.

 

In my experience, the spiritual path for westerners usually persists of a person suffering intensely or having achieved all objective goals and are still no longer satisfied - and then go in search of something more, either to end their suffering or to achieve a greater sense of fulfillment. They then learn ancient techniques and theories and practices and are now deemed spiritual 

 

I've spent quite a bit of time recently in the jungle of Peru. The people there are really happy. They live very simple lives. They have no desire to seek out spiritual practices from around the world. And live peaceful, fulfilling lives.

 

Who is the more spiritual here? Who is living more in god's vision?

 

The main realisation here though is to realise, there is no one here to do anything. All is God, all is god's will, and there are many paths to the game. But in reality God cannot be anymore spiritual than he already is. God is already everything. From our seemingly separate perspective we just have to remember that if we want to bring it into human consciousness, awareness. But there is no one doing this.

[Mr H]

In addition.

 

I would also put forward, that learning ancient spiritual techniques and theories may not be spiritual. Usually a function of the ego seeking more or relief.

 

Practices of Egypt, south America, India, religions - were for those people at those times based on their circumstances and surroundings. Why copy them? Why look for a teacher outside? From the past?

 

A spiritual practice is "personal" and is accessed by the silence within. Your "own" relationship with God.

Edited May 4, 2023 by Mr H

[TheConsultant]

5 hours ago, oz93666 said:

I would say we all have to take effective action ,understanding the truth tells you What action , I believe  this is mainly Prayer ... believe  in God and calling on Him to heal the malevolent ET's so they move on ... The rules of this free will reality dictate we have to invite His help or it will not come ... My understanding is we all ascend together , or if the darkness wins the ascention doesn't take place and a reset is posible and we start again . 

I've  no idea what DI means by that ...  should we take drugs like  Ayahuasca? ... or learn more about conspyracy to understand the truth about the world ? 

He really should spell out exactly what actions he thinks we need to take to  "expand our perception".

 

 

Yes , I'm in a remote location , see very few people , waiting for the rains to come , the Durian trees are thirsty .( income from durian and mangoteen and oil palm) 

Do positive or benevolent beings, ETs exist?

[Macnamara]

I think Mark Passio is right that there is a new age deception at work

 

I believe that the dark occultists who are behind THE conspiracy have essentially created a syncretic 'new age' religion and that the purpose of the psyop is to encourage people who have grasped that there is a conspiracy to do absolutely nothing

 

What the dark occultists want is people endlessly navel gazing but doing absolutely NOTHING that will stand in the way of the unfurling of the dark occultists plans

 

They want you meditating, having quinoa bean enemas and wearing your syncretic new age religion on your sleeve

 

What they don't want you doing is getting rid of your smart phone, refusing to use corporate goods like coca cola and mcdonalds, moving your money out of their corrupt banks or doing physical jobs that make a tangible difference to the wellbeing of people or the good functioning or beauty of society

 

forest gump said 'stupid is as stupid does'. But is good is as good does? Do we actually have to DO good things and if so what are those good things?

 

is this reality something to escape from and detach from in order to hand over total control to the forces of darkness or is this reality what we make of it in which case don't we need to start putting our focus into actually DOING things that counter act what the dark occultists want whilst pursuing the things that we believe will create a better outcome for ourselves and wider society?

 

In short don't talk to me about your 'spirituality'. Show me what you are actually doing to make a positive difference

Edited May 4, 2023 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

''Consciousness is the ability of a being to recognise patterns and meaning with respect to events taking place, both within oneself and in the realm [the world around us] in which the self exists and operates''

- Mark Passio

 

In that case our ability to grasp what is OBJECTIVELY true would be an indication of our health regardless of how happy or sad we feel while doing it.

 

Is a person being 'spiritual' by embracing subjective truths that are objectively false in order to make themself feel better?

 

The more people distance themselves from what is objectively true the more insane the world becomes.

 

Either there are dark occultists that have made covid jabs to harm humanity in which case we are sane or there aren't and the jabs were a medical treatment created in order to help people in which case we are the crazy ones. It can't be both. One group is sane and the other is insane. The question is which group has the best grasp on objective reality?

[Campion]

30 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

In short don't talk to me about your 'spirituality'. Show me what you are actually doing to make a positive difference

 

I was thinking only yesterday about how many religions and spiritualities, old and new, try to persuade us to focus on the afterlife, other dimensions, future reincarnations, the spirit world etc; and meekly accept our lot in this world. Which plays into the hands of any groups wanting themselves at the top of society. 

 

On 5/3/2023 at 6:21 AM, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Do we need to do 'spiritual work' to be able to ascend, escape, or raise our vibrational frequency above this reality so that we can escape and move beyond the 4th dimension? Are we able to do all the above by simply taking in 'information' or 'truth alone', or do we also need to align this with Spiritual work? Can those who only seek out information and truth, also become truly 'free'. or will they ultimately still need to do Spiritual work to progress? 

 

 

Regarding whether you need to do spiritual work, and of what type.  The thing is, there are so many varieties of spirituality that the answers depend on who you ask, and who are you going to believe? I know some other left-leaning spiritual forums who think that conspiracy theorists and even conservatives are beyond the pale and that spiritual and moral progress goes along with international socialism. At the other end of the scale there's spiritual groups who are completely on board with jab refusal and fighting globalism, multiculturalism and international cabals. 

 

So in summary I'd advise doing lots of your own research, old fashioned reading, talking to people, and hopefully you will gravitate towards something which is a good fit for you. Good luck and happy seeking! 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

14 hours ago, oz93666 said:

I would say we all have to take effective action ,understanding the truth tells you What action , I believe  this is mainly Prayer ... believe  in God and calling on Him to heal the malevolent ET's so they move on ... The rules of this free will reality dictate we have to invite His help or it will not come ... My understanding is we all ascend together , or if the darkness wins the ascention doesn't take place and a reset is posible and we start again . 

I've  no idea what DI means by that ...  should we take drugs like  Ayahuasca? ... or learn more about conspyracy to understand the truth about the world ? 

He really should spell out exactly what actions he thinks we need to take to  "expand our perception".

 

 

Yes , I'm in a remote location , see very few people , waiting for the rains to come , the Durian trees are thirsty .( income from durian and mangoteen and oil palm) 

I agree oz. At some pint we all need to take action, and live with total responsibility for ourselves. 

 

I think David is talking about zooming out to see the bigger picture of who, and what we are, which in his words 'is infinite consciousness having a human experience', by doing that, we don't therefore over-identify with the 'smaller' aspects of who we believe we are, for instance 'a poor white man, living in America limited to the tiny social identifiers we might otherwise live by" (these are my words to describe what I think David is saying. But I agree, and in fact recently posted these thoughts, also believing that David is taking a very 'simplistic' view of things and doesn't really give too many definitions. I am not saying he is wrong, but I do think it is simplistic, and I challenged this in relation to there being lots of people who need to heal trauma, heal their shadow etc, which may actually be what prompted this OP. 

 

You have done well my friend; a great place to ride out the craziness. 

[oz93666]

8 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Do positive or benevolent beings, ETs exist?

 

Certainly .. But they are in alignment with creators Will ... which is that they should not interfer or get involved in any way ...

 

My understanding is that this is a test of humanity. to see if we have the ability to over come evil which is present here in the form of a coalition of 3 very advanced ET groups .. they control us by mind control , psycic and more recently electronic via the 5G grid .... It seems an imposible and hopeless task since humanity is mindcontrolled to believe they don't even exist !  Mindcontrolled to trust and believe the government ! Even if humanity was aware of what's going on , there is no way we can overcome their technology! 

 

The only thing which has prevented humanity from being destroyed so far is the Prayers sent out for help .... The few who still believe in God can ask for divine intervention and under the rules that exist this allows God to help in proportion to how many ask. So in this free will game we can ask for assistance. If we don't believe in God or don't ask then that free will choice must be honoured ...

 

The ET's have been playing with us for thousands of years , and have noticed that when people come together and Pray then their plans for our destruction are inexplicably thwarted .. They don't believe in God and put this down to some unknown mental power humans have ... They understand that to destroy us they have to get a willing consent to partnership with them ... If we willingly agree for them to control us  then creator has to stand back and honour that choice ....

 

And so the ET's  "Plan A " is underway which is to convince humanity we cannot manage our world ... global warming ... desease ... wars .. economiic colapse .. then they arrive openly in craft offering assistance to all our problems with their advanced tech , but to end all wars they need to supervise things , take governance of the Earth , a New World Order of free energy and space travell , freedom from illness and poverty . It will be hard for humanity to resist this offer . If we accept , it wil end in our complete destruction. 

 

 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

12 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yes I would question what is the spiritual path.

 

In my experience, the spiritual path for westerners usually persists of a person suffering intensely or having achieved all objective goals and are still no longer satisfied - and then go in search of something more, either to end their suffering or to achieve a greater sense of fulfillment. They then learn ancient techniques and theories and practices and are now deemed spiritual 

 

I've spent quite a bit of time recently in the jungle of Peru. The people there are really happy. They live very simple lives. They have no desire to seek out spiritual practices from around the world. And live peaceful, fulfilling lives.

 

Who is the more spiritual here? Who is living more in god's vision?

 

The main realisation here though is to realise, there is no one here to do anything. All is God, all is god's will, and there are many paths to the game. But in reality God cannot be anymore spiritual than he already is. God is already everything. From our seemingly separate perspective we just have to remember that if we want to bring it into human consciousness, awareness. But there is no one doing this.

Yes indeed. Before we can discuss any subject, I guess we should always try to define what the topics and themes even mean. I suppose for me, 'Spiritual' means going within, to better understand myself, better connect with myself and the environment, increasing my access to my intuition and 'Higher self', healing and growing, and living with the wisdom gained. 

 

For me, I don't really talk in 'Spiritual terms' but if there was an influence it was probably the 'false light' teachings which I now see for what they were - another form of control and disempowerment. 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

8 hours ago, Macnamara said:

I think Mark Passio is right that there is a new age deception at work

 

I believe that the dark occultists who are behind THE conspiracy have essentially created a syncretic 'new age' religion and that the purpose of the psyop is to encourage people who have grasped that there is a conspiracy to do absolutely nothing

 

What the dark occultists want is people endlessly navel gazing but doing absolutely NOTHING that will stand in the way of the unfurling of the dark occultists plans

 

They want you meditating, having quinoa bean enemas and wearing your syncretic new age religion on your sleeve

 

What they don't want you doing is getting rid of your smart phone, refusing to use corporate goods like coca cola and mcdonalds, moving your money out of their corrupt banks or doing physical jobs that make a tangible difference to the wellbeing of people or the good functioning or beauty of society

 

forest gump said 'stupid is as stupid does'. But is good is as good does? Do we actually have to DO good things and if so what are those good things?

 

is this reality something to escape from and detach from in order to hand over total control to the forces of darkness or is this reality what we make of it in which case don't we need to start putting our focus into actually DOING things that counter act what the dark occultists want whilst pursuing the things that we believe will create a better outcome for ourselves and wider society?

 

In short don't talk to me about your 'spirituality'. Show me what you are actually doing to make a positive difference

Yes, I fully agree. It is strange because I have never really 'followed Passio's work, but find myself coming to the same conclusions. For years I was under the 'false light teachings', but thankfully saw through it. All it serves to do, is to further disempower people and to control those who are breaking a little free of this Matrix. It really teaches them to not to take any real action, just meditate and 'love the baddies away'. Cameron Day has written a great piece on this, and it was many years ago;

 

https://humansbefree.com/2014/12/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker.html

 

Even though as I say I don't really come across Passio much, I have come to the same conclusions, particularly around the role of 'personal responsibility', we muct live the wisdom we have learned. 

 

Perhaps what we all have to do here on this 'Planet', is to learn and grow, that is all. For some that will mean doing 'Spiritual work', others it will be healing trauma, and for others it may simply be learning information and putting it to use. 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

8 hours ago, Campion said:

 

I was thinking only yesterday about how many religions and spiritualities, old and new, try to persuade us to focus on the afterlife, other dimensions, future reincarnations, the spirit world etc; and meekly accept our lot in this world. Which plays into the hands of any groups wanting themselves at the top of society. 

 

 

 

Regarding whether you need to do spiritual work, and of what type.  The thing is, there are so many varieties of spirituality that the answers depend on who you ask, and who are you going to believe? I know some other left-leaning spiritual forums who think that conspiracy theorists and even conservatives are beyond the pale and that spiritual and moral progress goes along with international socialism. At the other end of the scale there's spiritual groups who are completely on board with jab refusal and fighting globalism, multiculturalism and international cabals. 

 

So in summary I'd advise doing lots of your own research, old fashioned reading, talking to people, and hopefully you will gravitate towards something which is a good fit for you. Good luck and happy seeking! 

I agree Campion. It is likely very different for each person, and of course this life is not 'equal' so some have more to heal. 

 

I guess for me, it was a rhetorical question really. I have spent years healing trauma, researching, being 'awake', doing 'Spiritual work', and over the last 12 months done a lot of healing shadow stuff such as lust and other 'goodies' . But I was curious what thoughts others have on this topic. 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

Another question I have (which I don't want to start a thread on really) is 'who do you 'riff' with'? I heard this phrase used on the video below (by Jordan a guy I had never come across before), meaning who do you discuss complex concepts with, bounce ideas around with? For me, I have few 'real world' people to do this with these days, having let a lot of people go over the last few years as they no longer aligned.  So, who do you 'riff' with, and do you need anyone to 'riff' with? 

 

 

[Campion]

5 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

 

 

5 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

13 hours ago, Campion said:

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I agree Campion. It is likely very different for each person, and of course this life is not 'equal' so some have more to heal. 

 

I guess for me, it was a rhetorical question really. I have spent years healing trauma, researching, being 'awake', doing 'Spiritual work', and over the last 12 months done a lot of healing shadow stuff such as lust and other 'goodies' . But I was curious what thoughts others have on this topic. 

 

Awesome, you're well into it then. Not all spirituality takes people in the direction of the truther community tho, I've come across plenty of spiritual folks in tune with the cult agenda. So I'm at a crossroads myself at the moment, having left a church last year and seeking a new spiritual home. 

[TheConsultant]

9 hours ago, oz93666 said:

 

Certainly .. But they are in alignment with creators Will ... which is that they should not interfer or get involved in any way ...

 

My understanding is that this is a test of humanity. to see if we have the ability to over come evil which is present here in the form of a coalition of 3 very advanced ET groups .. they control us by mind control , psycic and more recently electronic via the 5G grid .... It seems an imposible and hopeless task since humanity is mindcontrolled to believe they don't even exist !  Mindcontrolled to trust and believe the government ! Even if humanity was aware of what's going on , there is no way we can overcome their technology! 

 

The only thing which has prevented humanity from being destroyed so far is the Prayers sent out for help .... The few who still believe in God can ask for divine intervention and under the rules that exist this allows God to help in proportion to how many ask. So in this free will game we can ask for assistance. If we don't believe in God or don't ask then that free will choice must be honoured ...

 

The ET's have been playing with us for thousands of years , and have noticed that when people come together and Pray then their plans for our destruction are inexplicably thwarted .. They don't believe in God and put this down to some unknown mental power humans have ... They understand that to destroy us they have to get a willing consent to partnership with them ... If we willingly agree for them to control us  then creator has to stand back and honour that choice ....

 

And so the ET's  "Plan A " is underway which is to convince humanity we cannot manage our world ... global warming ... desease ... wars .. economiic colapse .. then they arrive openly in craft offering assistance to all our problems with their advanced tech , but to end all wars they need to supervise things , take governance of the Earth , a New World Order of free energy and space travell , freedom from illness and poverty . It will be hard for humanity to resist this offer . If we accept , it wil end in our complete destruction. 

 

 

The advanced technologies hidden within the multiple SSPs will be given to humanity by humanity, it may have been previously back engineered, exchanged, bought etc, but it is the bloodline families that hold on to and hide that from the rest of us. Full disclosure will occur. I can assure you of that. 

Edited May 5, 2023 by TheConsultant

[DaleP]

On 5/4/2023 at 2:07 AM, DaleP said:

Imagine we are like Russian wooden dolls.

The ONE, the Creator split into what we call 'higher beings'.....and we are split soul from that therefore, we are one already.

'So Within, So Without'. You have an access to the higher knowledge, beings because on the higher plane/dimension, you are IT but you cannot escape from this 3D just like the video game character always live in the game. Yet we are already up there. People cannot access akashic record because we have been stuffed with programming e.g. filtres that prevent us from accessing it. It's like the Sun which is always shining but when there are clouds, we cannot see it. So we need to unprogramme ourselves in order to regain access to the knowledge. But I'd say, not everyone is going to 'ascend' or live a spiritually minded life i.e. according to the God's law. Many would need to reincarnate many times to reach a point where they start questioning.

 

'Expanding' or opening the 3rd eye could be dangerous to certain people if they are not ready.

As we shift into higher vibration, those that have not been doing the work, got jabbed (even worse off) and cannot cope with the higher frequency and either go lala or die.

Imagine higher voltage energy, if a cable is thin and cannot take the load, it burns. Same thing happening to people now...though not literally combusting.

 

Following on from my previous post....

We live in all dimensions.