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A few things:

 

1. Don't be part of the Tory party anyway. Who the feck wants to involved with those people.

 

2. Don't bring the Holocaust or anything to do with Nazis into the arguments against the vax and convid. No need. Plenty of compelling evidence and reasons as it is.

 

3. So what if these Government stooges slag him off, obviously hit a nerve.

 

So basically 2 stupid things, and 1 that shouldn't matter and is kind of related to the first 2 anyway.

 

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7 hours ago, jack121 said:

I appreciate Bridgen's stance, but the holocaust never happened. How can he be expelled for comparing one fake event against another fake event

 

Not saying you're right or wrong as I've done very little research about the Holocaust myself, however, I'd genuinely like to know on what evidence you base your conclusion that it was fake? I'm open to all suggestions that are based on verifiable evidence.

 

 

 

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The people who REALLY run this country care more about preventing any discussion about the holocaust then they do about the safety of the british people

 

certain narratives are holy cows that you are not allowed to slaughter. they form the pillars that prop up the whole conspiracy

 

One pillar is the holocaust (you are not allowed to question any aspect of that)

 

Another pillar is vaccine harms (you are not allowed to suggest that vaccines are anything other than a miracle of modern medicine and that issue existed before the covid jab roll outs even)

 

Central banking is another pillar however the conspirators themselves may re-write that situation through globalised central bank digital currencies

 

Rothschild power is another pillar (you cannot suggest that there is a power elite focussed around the rothschilds or you will be branded an 'anti-semite' even if in general you have no problem with regular jewish people)

 

Andrew bridgen touched on two pillars in one tweet and now you can see the hornets nest. He is being cancelled FROM ABOVE

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11 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

One pillar is the holocaust (you are not allowed to question any aspect of that)

 

But surely the holocaust is an aspect of history and therefore it should be possible to explore it, dissect it, discuss it and debate it in order to bring greater clarity and accuracy?

 

yes in an ideal world that would be the case but we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world run by satanic pedophiles that create false narratives that then control peoples minds as if under a spell because it creates their perception of reality. Now i don't know the truth about the holocaust and i'm not asserting anything either way. I'm simply arguing that i should have a right to explore it, discuss it and even question aspects of it and the very fact that it is such a heavily guarded subject just adds to my suspicion that something is being hidden from view in the same way that i feel that truths about the extents of vaccine harms are being hidden in order to prevent people from ACCURATELY making a cost-to-benefit ration judgment for themselves on a medical treatment

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 my suspicion that something is being hidden from view in the same way that i feel that truths about the extents of vaccine harms are being hidden in order to prevent people from ACCURATELY making a cost-to-benefit ration judgment for themselves on a medical treatment

 

so take this video i watched last night for example of john campbell looking at two different freedom of information requests. one FOI was to ascertain the number of cases of myocarditis occuring in a particular district to ascertain whether or not there has been an increase since the covid jab roll out and then the other FOI was to find out the number of stillbirths in a certain district to ascertain if there has been an increase since the jab roll outs and what has happened is that campbell has reported on the government responses to those FOI's which showed DRASTIC increases in both those outcomes since the covid jab roll outs.

 

Then after those videos received more than HALF A MILLION VIEWS the government has retracted its previous figures and revised them down to BELOW AVERAGE!

 

how exactly did such 'clerical errors' occur when all they do is look at their own spreadsheets? Clearly the government is doctoring their own stats after those stats have been publically examined in order to 'manage the perceptions' of the public to hide the true harms of the covid jabs:

FOI mistakes, corrections

 

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Just heard Angela Epstein (Jewish) say on the Jeremy Vile show ,in a topic about apologising for the slave trade, '... I think we can all agree, the whole history of the slave trade was one of the blackest moments in human history ...'

 

I'll bet no one picks her up on that (bad choice of words/slip of the tongue?). Unlike poor Bridgen.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

The people who REALLY run this country care more about preventing any discussion about the holocaust then they do about the safety of the british people

 

certain narratives are holy cows that you are not allowed to slaughter. they form the pillars that prop up the whole conspiracy

 

One pillar is the holocaust (you are not allowed to question any aspect of that)

 

Another pillar is vaccine harms (you are not allowed to suggest that vaccines are anything other than a miracle of modern medicine and that issue existed before the covid jab roll outs even)

 

Central banking is another pillar however the conspirators themselves may re-write that situation through globalised central bank digital currencies

 

Rothschild power is another pillar (you cannot suggest that there is a power elite focussed around the rothschilds or you will be branded an 'anti-semite' even if in general you have no problem with regular jewish people)

 

Andrew bridgen touched on two pillars in one tweet and now you can see the hornets nest. He is being cancelled FROM ABOVE

 

Thanks Mac, these are some good extra pillars to add to the usual three: imperialism, slavery and the holohaust - just the white varieties of course. 

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9 hours ago, webtrekker said:

 

Not saying you're right or wrong as I've done very little research about the Holocaust myself, however, I'd genuinely like to know on what evidence you base your conclusion that it was fake? I'm open to all suggestions that are based on verifiable evidence.

 

 

 

 

It all comes from watching videos, reading books and talking to people over the years. I never kept any of the evidence, just commited it to memory.

A lot of people on this forum are also of the same mindset that the holocaust is fake, as was the entire WW! and WW2 that accompanied it.

These events seem to be fake population reduction measures initiated by the elites. EG: Where did all the thousands of nazi officers disappear off to when the war ended. These people should have been public enemy number one, yet they so easily evaded capture and totally disappeared, as though they vanished off the face of the earth, which is not possible, anyone can be tracked down, as the banks have proven when they chase after their defaulters.

Where did hitler and his family disappear too?

Why was it that when the bricks the nazi gas chambers were made from, when analysed, contained no gas residues whatsoever

Why were the so called concentration camps the jews were supposed to have died in, were built after 1945

There's just so many inconsistencies in the reporting, like the diary of anne frank which was written in ball point pen, but the ball point was not invented till the '50s well after the end of the war.

Where are the mass graves to prove that 6 million died, sutely if this was real they would have excavated to shown these bodies to the world as evidence of a henious crime - but they did not

Why did they bulldozer over the concentration camps and turn the sites into a museum, thereby destroying the evidence

Why are the surviours of these camps giving differening reports of what happened, if they actually saw all of this their reporting should be identical.

I remember reading in one of the survivour books, that they used water from a well, which was near the graves. But expert nowadays make a very interesting point, that with tons of rotting bodies next to the well, the well would have been infected with salmonella and other diseases. Drinking that water would have killed you. Yet the survivors claim to have drunk it every day

A lot of it does not make sense using latest cutting edge technonlogy, which ofcourse the survivours would not have known about back in the 40's

 

 

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10 minutes ago, jack121 said:

 

It all comes from watching videos, reading books and talking to people over the years. I never kept any of the evidence, just commited it to memory.

A lot of people on this forum are also of the same mindset that the holocaust is fake, as was the entire WW! and WW2 that accompanied it.

These events seem to be fake population reduction measures initiated by the elites. EG: Where did all the thousands of nazi officers disappear off to when the war ended. These people should have been public enemy number one, yet they so easily evaded capture and totally disappeared, as though they vanished off the face of the earth, which is not possible, anyone can be tracked down, as the banks have proven when they chase after their defaulters.

Where did hitler and his family disappear too?

Why was it that when the bricks the nazi gas chambers were made from, when analysed, contained no gas residues whatsoever

Why were the so called concentration camps the jews were supposed to have died in, were built after 1945

There's just so many inconsistencies in the reporting, like the diary of anne frank which was written in ball point pen, but the ball point was not invented till the '50s well after the end of the war.

Where are the mass graves to prove that 6 million died, sutely if this was real they would have excavated to shown these bodies to the world as evidence of a henious crime - but they did not

Why did they bulldozer over the concentration camps and turn the sites into a museum, thereby destroying the evidence

Why are the surviours of these camps giving differening reports of what happened, if they actually saw all of this their reporting should be identical.

I remember reading in one of the survivour books, that they used water from a well, which was near the graves. But expert nowadays make a very interesting point, that with tons of rotting bodies next to the well, the well would have been infected with salmonella and other diseases. Drinking that water would have killed you. Yet the survivors claim to have drunk it every day

A lot of it does not make sense using latest cutting edge technonlogy, which ofcourse the survivours would not have known about back in the 40's

 

 

 

Thanks Jack. There are some interesting paths to explore there.

 

As I said, I haven't gone very deep into the Holocaust before (too many other things to investigate!), but I think it's time to educate myself some more.

 

I remember downloading an ebook by Texx Marrs (I think he was called) about the Holocaust being faked, but never got the chance to read it. I'll have to search my old PC backups for it.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, webtrekker said:

 

Thanks Jack. There are some interesting paths to explore there.

 

As I said, I haven't gone very deep into the Holocaust before (too many other things to investigate!), but I think it's time to educate myself some more.

 

I remember downloading an ebook by Texx Marrs (I think he was called) about the Holocaust being faked, but never got the chance to read it. I'll have to search my old PC backups for it.

 

 

 

Some of it happened as many of my relatives death certs say they died in camps, and my gran used to get out photos and say "That's your Auntie X or Cousin Y". Hitler killed her." Might have starved or been executed in other ways, but still lost a couple of generations of relatives. If they'd just emigrated, they'd have been in touch eventually.

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3 hours ago, jack121 said:

 

There's just so many inconsistencies in the reporting, like the diary of anne frank which was written in ball point pen, but the ball point was not invented till the '50s well after the end of the war.

 

 

Biros were invented in 1938, but I doubt that Anne Frank would have had one. We weren't allowed them at school even in the 60s.

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Nothwithstanding all the other comments (and I think Mac has summed up the situation in a nutshell) I just want to refer back to the original graphic which I believe comes from Sky News.

 

The truth is, Andrew Bridgen did NOT compare the covid jabs to the holocuast, he retweeted a statement from a Jewish Doctor who made the original statement and has therefore been expelled for being seen to agree with the statement.

 

As Mac says, he touched on 2 pillars and "something had to be done."

 

I hope there's a real backlash from this and I'll certainly be taking this up with any MP or councillor from a major party who comes knocking on my door in the future begging for votes.

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5 hours ago, jack121 said:

There's just so many inconsistencies in the reporting, like the diary of anne frank which was written in ball point pen, but the ball point was not invented till the '50s well after the end of the war.

 

Where are the thousands of other similar diaries that must have been written at the time?

 

It would be difficult to fake or alter 100s of different diaries.

 

Why did Anne Frank's specific diary become so famous if there were hundreds of others that must have been written about very similar experiences?

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I've just watched the whole interview, the interviewer from GB news is nothing short of excruciating, everything Andrew said was followed by a statement, "That is your opinion, that I'm sure is disputed information, blah, blah..." to which, to Andrew's credit, he always answered that what he had just said was proven fact and backed it up with cited evidence.

 

I think this interview highlights how bad the media narrative has become and how they can be made to look like fools by presenting simple facts.

 

Well, done Andrew Bridgen, a great response to all the questions and points made, and I hope he bounces back from this which I'm sure he will do.

 

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Just had a look at the GB News Interview clip via YouTube and the support for Andrew Bridgen is universal. Heartening to see and further evidence that the public are waking up to what is really going on.

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2 hours ago, Truthblast said:

 

Where are the thousands of other similar diaries that must have been written at the time?

 

It would be difficult to fake or alter 100s of different diaries.

 

Why did Anne Frank's specific diary become so famous if there were hundreds of others that must have been written about very similar experiences?

 

On the website they are claiming the diary is the second most read book in the world, just behind the bible.

Thing is I've never read the diary, and i don't know anyone was had. Everyone i ask says :" Jack, who the fuck is this Frank  bloke? "

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8 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Biros were invented in 1938, but I doubt that Anne Frank would have had one. We weren't allowed them at school even in the 60s.

 

Quotes: 1. " the claim that Anne Frank's diary was written with ballpoint pen can still be read regularly on right websites and elsewhere. Remarks are made about Anne Frank the ballpoint girl and it is pointed out that the ballpoint pen did not come into use in Europe until after World War II. This suggests that the texts in the diary cannot have been written by Anne Frank herself, and only after World War II."

2. " Anne’s father, Otto Frank returned to Amsterdam after the war. By their own admission, and only after the ballpoint accusations were made, Otto suddenly created a story in which he claimed he had tampered with the diary, this is the reason why the diary is in ballpoint. He then said the diary should be made as a gift to the dutch people to be preserved for all time in a museum.  "

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10 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Some of it happened as many of my relatives death certs say they died in camps, and my gran used to get out photos and say "That's your Auntie X or Cousin Y". Hitler killed her." Might have starved or been executed in other ways, but still lost a couple of generations of relatives. If they'd just emigrated, they'd have been in touch eventually.

 

yeah i don't doubt that some horrific things went on so in that sense i'm not a 'denier'

 

its more that i want to sharpen the edges of certain questions to bring greater clarity. For example were all the deaths as a result of a direct goal of extermination or were many deaths the result of disease and malnutrition as a surrounded germany sent its resources to the front line and not to concentration camps? Of course that doesn't change anything for those who died as the result was still the same but it does deal with the issue of intent and therefore culpibility.

 

prior to the outbreak of war the nazis were actually moving jews out of germany, to israel, as part of the havara agreement which is not a policy of extermination. Yes you could say its still an act of aggression and make an argument against the morality or legality of it but it is not a policy of extermination

 

however did the policy shift later on as the nazis hearts hardened when their own cities and civilians were firebombed like in the case of dresden? These are the kind of things i would like to question and explore but i can't

 

maybe they DID pursue a deliberate policy of extermination after a certain point or maybe that is just allied propaganda. I would like clarity on that

 

For example the nazis passed the 'commando order' which meant that anyone caught out of uniform would be treated as a spy and shot instead of being treated as a prisoner of war and incarcerated. however what is not always mentioned is that the commando order was passed after operation basalt in which the germans claim that that the british murdered german soldiers in the channel islands. So that is one example of how anger can lead to escalation

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Andrew Bridgen is live with Neil Oliver now ( Saturday night ) discussing project fear, and says he could have spoken out 12 months earlier but it was when they wanted to inject babies. He says there are 4000 real people working in parliament cooks cleaners etc who have been very supportive of him. 
 

“We’re meant to speak without fear or favour?” He says “there is a lot of fear”

 

He says he was told there was no public appetite for his opinion on vaccines now but there may be in 20 years time. 
 

He says he was told he was going up against the most powerful interests in the world. 
 

The holocaust quote …
 

“Obviously Andrew you were quoting someone else.”
 

Yes I retweeted, they were using the holocaust as a timeline. He says he has been held up as an example for others. Somebody else will be standing in his constituency. 

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Neil Oliver says in some way he’s moved on from Covid as he sees it as the thin edge of the wedge 

 

Andrew says 15 minute cities, climate and such are being brought in, in lock step around the world. Build back better. 
 

A guest says it’s divide and rule, almost like a civil war. Vaccine and anti vax.

 

Andrew says he has been asking for a debate on the WHO pandemic preparedness. He says if we thought brexit was losing sovereignty… the treaties are binding, comply with the regulations… an unaccountable world government… they’ll decide when it’s over … 

 

If we agree to these treaty changes … in the next 6 months, the UN … one emergency after another … funded by private enterprise … 

 

He says I will stand again 

 

He is wearing a pin of the Children’s health defence … they told him he is a member of the resistance… 

 

( I caught the beginning and the end of the interview ) 

 

Andrew us saying everything that we know, but still, what are the answers? 

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23 hours ago, Useyournous said:

Also, why is the holocaust the 'go to' crime against humanity when an example is needed?

 

well we know why don't we....

Richard Sharp set to become BBC's third Jewish chairman

He was an adviser to Boris Johnson during his time as London mayor

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