Smokefree 2030 you'll vape and you'll be happy about it

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

8 hours ago, alexa said:

 

It's nice to see you back 

 

I hadn't heard of IQOS until now, I'll have to look into these.

 

Whether they'll be banned or not, I don't know, but I do know they'll try & increase the prices, at the moment I can buy the vape liquid cheap but I can see the Government having a say in this before long.

88 is working out well. 25 for £22, bargain! My local vape shop was charging £10 for 4! 
Cheers for that Alexa

[Ethel]

On 4/11/2023 at 5:03 PM, Sanityisgone said:

https://smokefreeaction.org.uk/smokefree2030/#:~:text=In 2021%2C the All-Party,of the APPG's key recommendations.

 

News on radio today. They're going to ban smoking a plant which comes out of the ground, an 8000 year old tradition

 

Instead you'll have a bit of plastic  tube with a battery and some dodgy juice vaporised. Something which has been around not 10 years and many scientists saying its worse than smoking

 

People don't realise where we are headed.

 

We'll all be eating out of ration packs before long

 

Not like you can get much better from the supermarket these days 

 

 

I'm glad someone has highlighted this. I was a smoker for a long time and gave up, interestingly enough, over the course of 2020-21. I briefly tried vaping in it's early days, but that was back when it was marketed as a way to come off cigarettes, rather than as a permanent feature in one's life. I stopped after a week or so because, believe it or not, I ended up with severe chest pains - even though after a decade of smoking cigarettes I'd rarely experienced chest pains, although I'd had plenty of sore throats.

 

I'm not saying one is definitively worse than the other, although I have long suspected that many people who vape have convinced themselves it is harmless because a) they enjoy it, b) they want it to be harmless and c) they want to believe there is such a thing as a harmless addiction. It's possible vaping is harmless. Then again, it's possible it isn't.

 

One thing I would say is that it's kind of early days to know. It's less than 20 years since vaping became popular. At one time, cigarettes too were marketed as 'healthy' and doctors even prescribed them. I see the amount of vapor these things produce and I have my doubts. Are we as a species meant to inhale anything other than oxygen into the body? No, I don't think so. 

 

I think it is designed to suppress anxiety in much the same way that fags do. When I was a teenager and started smoking I loved that I'd found a way to regulate anxiety; vaping is exactly the same dynamic.

[alexa]

47 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

88 is working out well. 25 for £22, bargain! My local vape shop was charging £10 for 4! 
Cheers for that Alexa

 

Your welcome LastOne, I've just bought a batch now at the same price 

[TheConsultant]

29 minutes ago, Ethel said:

One thing I would say is that it's kind of early days to know. It's less than 20 years since vaping became popular. At one time, cigarettes too were marketed as 'healthy' and doctors even prescribed them.

Poppycock...oh no wait...





THROAT protection, head cold, catarrh, hay fever cure. Its laughable now, but when you really think about it it just highlights how much tptb hate us all

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

4 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

Your welcome LastOne, I've just bought a batch now at the same price 

 It’s great value for money eh?

The same amount would cost me £53 at the vape shop! Agggh! 

Ps, the Lemon Sherbert and New York Cheesecake are particularly good! 
 

Had some strange allergic reactions to Blackcurrant and Tropical flavours, but got that with those same flavours I was buying from the vape shop before.

I think the allergen is called Geraniol, it’s a flavour compound derived from geraniums, it’s in blackcurrant, raspberry, blue raspberry, blueberry etc. gives it a ‘green’ sort of flavour along with the fruitiness of berries. 
All the other flavours are fine though so it’s all good. 

Im allergic to everything these days! 

[alexa]

2 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

 It’s great value for money eh?

The same amount would cost me £53 at the vape shop! Agggh! 

Ps, the Lemon Sherbert and New York Cheesecake are particularly good! 
 

Had some strange allergic reactions to Blackcurrant and Tropical flavours, but got that with those same flavours I was buying from the vape shop before.

I think the allergen is called Geraniol, it’s a flavour compound derived from geraniums, it’s in blackcurrant, raspberry, blue raspberry, blueberry etc. gives it a ‘green’ sort of flavour along with the fruitiness of berries. 
All the other flavours are fine though so it’s all good. 

Im allergic to everything these days! 

 

I stick to my 'Nut' flavour, it doesn't taste of anything, it's just plain and simple, a bit like me 

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

5 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I stick to my 'Nut' flavour, it doesn't taste of anything, it's just plain and simple, a bit like me 

Aaah!
 

Sometimes, plain and simple is the best

[alexa]

@TheConsultant Why are you laughing ? It's not easy being plain and simple 

[Grumpy Owl]

1 hour ago, Ethel said:

I'm glad someone has highlighted this. I was a smoker for a long time and gave up, interestingly enough, over the course of 2020-21. I briefly tried vaping in it's early days, but that was back when it was marketed as a way to come off cigarettes, rather than as a permanent feature in one's life. I stopped after a week or so because, believe it or not, I ended up with severe chest pains - even though after a decade of smoking cigarettes I'd rarely experienced chest pains, although I'd had plenty of sore throats.

 

I'm not saying one is definitively worse than the other, although I have long suspected that many people who vape have convinced themselves it is harmless because a) they enjoy it, b) they want it to be harmless and c) they want to believe there is such a thing as a harmless addiction. It's possible vaping is harmless. Then again, it's possible it isn't.

 

I think it was earlier this year, I briefly quit smoking while I was suffering with a bad chest infection (no, not Covid , the kind I usually get after I have a bad cold).

 

I went a couple of weeks without having a 'proper smoke', unfortunately I soon gave in and started again.

 

During the first part of my 'abstinence' I tried using this vape device I'd bought a while back but had hardly used - just some cheap thing by Logic that used interchangeable 'e-liquid pods' you can pop in and out - I found it irritated my throat and chest far more than puffing on cigarettes did.

 

I don't think they are any "better for you" than cigarettes are, certainly I think it was okay when vaping took off as a "quit smoking aid", but it concerns me now that the way these are being marketed, they are becoming 'appealing' to people - especially kids - who probably wouldn't ordinarily consider taking up smoking as a habit, its become almost fashionable or trendy to be seen vaping these days.

[TheConsultant]

21 minutes ago, alexa said:

@TheConsultant Why are you laughing ? It's not easy being plain and simple 

I am laughing at you calling yourself simple, not AT you :) Simple is best. Just ask the minimalists, Zen Buddhists etc. 

[lake]

You can look into negative/positive ions and how that relates to vaping. Also the effects on the physical forms ph balance from such ions .... if you wish?

I smoke roll ups and have no issue with it .... my choice and I am not trying to 'extend' my stay here in this place .... near 5 decades later as a smoker and fu*k it lol.

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

21 minutes ago, lake said:

You can look into negative/positive ions and how that relates to vaping. Also the effects on the physical forms ph balance from such ions .... if you wish?

I smoke roll ups and have no issue with it .... my choice and I am not trying to 'extend' my stay here in this place .... near 5 decades later as a smoker and fu*k it lol.

Ah, I wish I was able to still smoke baccy like you but alas, I’ve totally abused it and myself for the last twenty years. Including the sticky green stuff. I’ve smoked enough of both for two lifetimes, and I’m paying the price now. 
 

Lowest strength nicotine vape is about all I can handle now. My body says no. 
On the plus side, jogging is easier, my clothes, breath and house no longer stink and I don’t get chest or throat pains anymore, plus my face is brighter without the massive bags under my eyes that I got from smoking.

You know that proper Dot Cotton gaunt-like death look, how Lois Lane looked in Superman II? 
Weight gain is starting to become a problem however 

[alexa]

53 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I am laughing at you calling yourself simple, not AT you :) Simple is best. Just ask the minimalists, Zen Buddhists etc. 

 

I know, I was only kidding around 

[alexa]

24 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Ah, I wish I was able to still smoke baccy like you but alas, I’ve totally abused it and myself for the last twenty years. Including the sticky green stuff. I’ve smoked enough of both for two lifetimes, and I’m paying the price now. 

 

And I did, hence my triple A heart operation which by the grace of God I survived. I've been better since vaping, like you said, I can breath better, no dirty ashtrays or burn holes in my clothes plus the house smells sweeter.

[TheConsultant]

7 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I know, I was only kidding around 

Its hard to know for sure on the internet if people think I am laughing at or with. Or if statements made are dry humour or you are actually implying they are something horrendous in some manner. Its the internet not a face to face chat and glad to hear it, I assumed you were messing around. Butcha never know!?

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

On 5/16/2023 at 8:59 PM, alexa said:

 

And I did, hence my triple A heart operation which by the grace of God I survived. I've been better since vaping, like you said, I can breath better, no dirty ashtrays or burn holes in my clothes plus the house smells sweeter.

Just received my order, got three Strawberry Icecream just to try, avoid at all costs. 
Tastes like vomit and gives me a splitting headache because it contains a cooling agent called Koolada. One more to add to the ‘allergic’ list. 
That’s £3 wasted, oh well. 

[alexa]

Problem, reaction, solution 

 

I'm convinced Ministers must act now to stop teenagers getting addicted to vaping, writes The Mail on Sunday's (rather embarrassed) Health Editor BARNEY CALMAN, 43, as he explains how he got hooked

BARNEY CALMAN: It's best if I just come clean: for the past year, I've been hooked on vaping. Specifically, those neon-coloured disposable ones called things like 'Elf Bar' which appeal to children.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12105977/Ministers-act-stop-teenagers-getting-addicted-vaping-writes-BARNEY-CALMAN.html

 

[Sanityisgone]

They want to replace all the natural systems which technological ones, is it a wonder they want everyone vaping now, they actually don't say a bad word about it. At the very least vaping is a complete waste of time, energy and money. Not only that but it's replacing your natural rhythm of breathing and you're still getting nicotine which we know is forcing dopamine hits that you shouldn't be getting and starving your brain of oxygen. There is nothing good that can come from it. I think they like it because its much easier to start vaping, easier access which leads to my next point.

 

What do they need staff for in shops? Selling tobacco and alcohol really isn't it, and age related things. I don't see supermarkets going the distance, corner shops aren't following sugar tax so you can get better deals there now. They aren't spending any money on the buildings, every big wig is running skeleton staff now because we accepted self service. It's gotten that bad the youngsters abuse the boomers by getting them to do all the work, my mum knows because by the Lord if she has a day off doesn't she know about it. My mum is 56 is it a wonder if she has a day off after a two day migraine. They just can't cope anymore.

 

Not only that these supermarkets are dead now, there's no staff or customers and everyone is broke so pilfering has gone up massively. In my mums shop there is a man who frequents most days and walks out with bottle of spirit dancing and laughing, because the police will do absolutely nothing about it. Now you have to scan your receipt in sainsburys to get out of self service. What happened to no receipts "helping" the climate? 

 

It's all on the way out, the food they sell is cheap eu rubbish because they won't pay British farmers prices. They are running far reduced product lines now as well. Just have a look in the toilets, nobody can be bothered. Nobody will be able to afford minimum wage and this is all part of their plan I think.

 

They want amazon surveillance unmanned supermarkets, a completely automated system where there is zero possibility of pilfering without the doors locking and judge dredd coming through and ripping your shopping bags out of your hands so quickly your arms follow...

 

On the note of smoking, I've finally quit weed and won't be touching the stuff again, take it too far with weed and you'll probably come to the same conclusion. I've cut down from 25-30 rollies a day to less than 10, today I attempt cold turkey so wish me luck please, I'm accepting good divine messages and they will be returned.

 

So I found that my tounge has become this horrible yellow colour, I can scrape it off but it gets worse. This yellow stuff blinds all your tastebuds and you feel like you're permanently coughing up frothy nothingness. Also I am eating really well and healthy since and have lost all my body fat, so I wonder why I'm waking up every day before my alarm at just gone 4am without fail. Turns out I don't need nearly as much sleep as I thought, and I believe nicotine must be the only thing left that is making my head feel heavy and empty in the morning and throughout the day. Really got to take the process of elimination to getting healthy, and I think you'll naturally find sober Sally is the best life you can live, and probably the only one you can tolerate if you are becoming zen? I don't know but I feel fantastic better than I've ever felt in my entire life, I went to spiritual church yesterday and was blown away by an experience with an medium actually, I wonder how she could have known what she did, but I feel like God has your back when you take the right challenges on in life, and work with your immediate environment....

 

I finally feel that there is a spiritual war going on yes, but actually I think we have been winning this whole time. We just need prayer and to change ourselves to save our environment. I don't know. I don't care. Its about doing good things, not evil. 

[alexa]

21 minutes ago, Sanityisgone said:

they actually don't say a bad word about it

 

Did you read my above post 

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

7 hours ago, Sanityisgone said:

They want to replace all the natural systems which technological ones, is it a wonder they want everyone vaping now, they actually don't say a bad word about it. At the very least vaping is a complete waste of time, energy and money. Not only that but it's replacing your natural rhythm of breathing and you're still getting nicotine which we know is forcing dopamine hits that you shouldn't be getting and starving your brain of oxygen. There is nothing good that can come from it. I think they like it because its much easier to start vaping, easier access which leads to my next point.

 

What do they need staff for in shops? Selling tobacco and alcohol really isn't it, and age related things. I don't see supermarkets going the distance, corner shops aren't following sugar tax so you can get better deals there now. They aren't spending any money on the buildings, every big wig is running skeleton staff now because we accepted self service. It's gotten that bad the youngsters abuse the boomers by getting them to do all the work, my mum knows because by the Lord if she has a day off doesn't she know about it. My mum is 56 is it a wonder if she has a day off after a two day migraine. They just can't cope anymore.

 

Not only that these supermarkets are dead now, there's no staff or customers and everyone is broke so pilfering has gone up massively. In my mums shop there is a man who frequents most days and walks out with bottle of spirit dancing and laughing, because the police will do absolutely nothing about it. Now you have to scan your receipt in sainsburys to get out of self service. What happened to no receipts "helping" the climate? 

 

It's all on the way out, the food they sell is cheap eu rubbish because they won't pay British farmers prices. They are running far reduced product lines now as well. Just have a look in the toilets, nobody can be bothered. Nobody will be able to afford minimum wage and this is all part of their plan I think.

 

They want amazon surveillance unmanned supermarkets, a completely automated system where there is zero possibility of pilfering without the doors locking and judge dredd coming through and ripping your shopping bags out of your hands so quickly your arms follow...

 

On the note of smoking, I've finally quit weed and won't be touching the stuff again, take it too far with weed and you'll probably come to the same conclusion. I've cut down from 25-30 rollies a day to less than 10, today I attempt cold turkey so wish me luck please, I'm accepting good divine messages and they will be returned.

 

So I found that my tounge has become this horrible yellow colour, I can scrape it off but it gets worse. This yellow stuff blinds all your tastebuds and you feel like you're permanently coughing up frothy nothingness. Also I am eating really well and healthy since and have lost all my body fat, so I wonder why I'm waking up every day before my alarm at just gone 4am without fail. Turns out I don't need nearly as much sleep as I thought, and I believe nicotine must be the only thing left that is making my head feel heavy and empty in the morning and throughout the day. Really got to take the process of elimination to getting healthy, and I think you'll naturally find sober Sally is the best life you can live, and probably the only one you can tolerate if you are becoming zen? I don't know but I feel fantastic better than I've ever felt in my entire life, I went to spiritual church yesterday and was blown away by an experience with an medium actually, I wonder how she could have known what she did, but I feel like God has your back when you take the right challenges on in life, and work with your immediate environment....

 

I finally feel that there is a spiritual war going on yes, but actually I think we have been winning this whole time. We just need prayer and to change ourselves to save our environment. I don't know. I don't care. Its about doing good things, not evil. 

With the weed thing, it’s easier if you have a task or hobby you can concentrate on.

Your body’s cannabinoid receptors will not be being stimulated so you’ll feel empty and needing, which is why good food, excercise and meditation/hobbies will make all the difference and you’ll start creating G proteins naturally, replacing the quick fix of thc/cannabinoids from smoking. 

 

I used to think I ‘needed’ it but really I don’t.

 

Well done and carry on being strong, you’ll find your energy levels will explode.

As for nicotine, I too find I can feel it’s derogatory effects in the mornings. 
Nicotine from smoking, and smoking in general rinses your body of essential vitamins/minerals as your body constantly has something to deal with/heal from. 
Just look at Dot Cotton from east Enders or Lois lane in superman 2 as examples of how drawn out, aged and gaunt smoking can make you appear.

I still need it as I become a raging angry monster if I don’t get it, like really livid anger, at everything and everyone including myself, which is why I still vape the lowest strength nic juice. 
This is a self respect thing I need to work through. In time it gets easier.

 

Everything here revolves around mental strength, as your body gets stronger, so does your mind. 

[Sanityisgone]

9 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

With the weed thing, it’s easier if you have a task or hobby you can concentrate on.

Your body’s cannabinoid receptors will not be being stimulated so you’ll feel empty and needing, which is why good food, excercise and meditation/hobbies will make all the difference and you’ll start creating G proteins naturally, replacing the quick fix of thc/cannabinoids from smoking. 

 

I used to think I ‘needed’ it but really I don’t.

 

Well done and carry on being strong, you’ll find your energy levels will explode.

As for nicotine, I too find I can feel it’s derogatory effects in the mornings. 
Nicotine from smoking, and smoking in general rinses your body of essential vitamins/minerals as your body constantly has something to deal with/heal from. 
Just look at Dot Cotton from east Enders or Lois lane in superman 2 as examples of how drawn out, aged and gaunt smoking can make you appear.

I still need it as I become a raging angry monster if I don’t get it, like really livid anger, at everything and everyone including myself, which is why I still vape the lowest strength nic juice. 
This is a self respect thing I need to work through. In time it gets easier.

 

Everything here revolves around mental strength, as your body gets stronger, so does your mind. 

 

Very interesting. So I have realised I have so much to do in my life, more to do than I have time to achieve it all, I think I've been stubborn in accepting the small challenges in front of me. For example a very small thing like "remember to write this down" I say that in my mind but I give in to the feeling I can't be bothered. I started treating those little thoughts as challenges and started overcoming them one after the other. Everything has become so easy now because of this, in just a few days to a little under two weeks.

 

Definitely there is a limit to what you can achieve, I found myself continuing to overcome small challenges too late at night and the anger took me and I finished off another printer last night. Fortunately I got a much better one today for a little money and it will make things easier. Its the silly little things that get you. Roofers at work kept pulling my cable and couldn't see that they were making people walk under it through the right of way on our building site, I lost my temper for all of 20 seconds before laughing and telling myself don't beat yourself up, accept you made the mistake of losing it and learn from it...

 

When you say nicotine strips you, I actually have been eating and drinking garbage while smoking too much top shelf cali and nicotine. Everyone says you'll gain weight when you stop, I have been eating great food and red meat has made me realise maybe I've become a little iron/zinc deficient. I had a small belly going on not 14 days ago, it's completely disappeared, I'm the lowest body fat I've ever been, and, my muscles are growing out by themselves. So happy to see some abs and to see my skinny face again! I was terrified looking in the mirror at my face then when I came back from spiritual church, I saw myself in the mirror again. It was really awesome.

 

Really wondering now how many make it as far as I am right now, and I can tell I'm going to become tenfold stronger yet, I didn't realise how easy things can be. The toughest part is just getting started. I'm on to yoga next as I've been doing hours of physio myself as my left leg at the top and left hip is completely out of place and has been locking my whole body up for years I think. I managed to free it up with some extremely crazy physio exercises, I sat on the couch earlier and leant to my right and felt it slip out again. Slipped it back in earlier, I'm in chiro tomorrow so will get him to go through this clicking I feel when opening and closing the gate on my left leg, then I'm going to explaim I'm backing off chiro and going for sports massage and doing my own physio now I have the motivation and discipline to do it for a couple hours at 5am after I wake up and go for a walk without my phone.

 

Definitely feel the anger inside, I think we are fiery hot souls to begin with hence anxiety and smoking goes hand in hand to dull the feelings... I didn't manage cold turkey (3 x 45 minute celebratory cigars from work mate over weekend probably didn't help), work colleague kept mentioning cigies and I had one on break time and I felt really bad and that I didn't want it at all, almost that it would have been easy to go without. So I'll try again tomorrow, but no pressure anymore, it's a new beginning for me and cutting down to just 2 during my work day is incredible compared to my usual chainsmoking joint shaped rollies haha.

 

Energy levels insane right now. My energy was huge before I realised my wisdom teeth were heavily infected rotting my jaw for 10 years, I had them out under sedation which was lovely, but I relapsed on weed. I remember doc saying to my mum just wait until he's better, she said oh please don't give him more energy! I didn't realise there was more to come and there still is.

 

Life is wonderful, it's easy to get wrapped up in others thoughts and opinions when you are alone and they really don't matter, be the change you wish to see and all that. 

 

Peace 

Edited May 22 by Sanityisgone
Brain too fast

[Sanityisgone]

16 hours ago, alexa said:

 

Did you read my above post 

I don't know what you mean but here I don't always make sense, I feel like I don't have time to make sense all the time, and I really wish I had more time to post here. Sadly I feel a gravitation towards a part time counselling course on top of my 51 hours working 63 including travelling   my language has gone down the toilet since school and being on construction sites, so I figure counselling will help me articulate myself again and improve my language and also learn something new and help others in the process 

Edited May 22 by Sanityisgone

[alexa]

22 minutes ago, Sanityisgone said:

I don't know what you mean but here I don't always make sense, I feel like I don't have time to make sense all the time, and I really wish I had more time to post here. Sadly I feel a gravitation towards a part time counselling course on top of my 51 hours working 63 including travelling   my language has gone down the toilet since school and being on construction sites, so I figure counselling will help me articulate myself again and improve my language and also learn something new and help others in the process 

 

Sorry sanityisgone I didn't realize. 

[Sanityisgone]

1 minute ago, alexa said:

 

Sorry sanityisgone I didn't realize. 

 

Thanks. I'm sorry as well, this is a safe place for me, like home. It's all love if you can understand my mostly sensible parts I hope

[alexa]

20 minutes ago, Sanityisgone said:

 

Thanks. I'm sorry as well, this is a safe place for me, like home. It's all love if you can understand my mostly sensible parts I hope

 

Your doing fine, I understand you perfectly