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Here´s my second thread on this forum.

Another subject which has been bugging my head recent times: Did the forces of darkness hijacked the meaning of Lucifer?

 

Lucifer is known as the devil, sometimes even Satan, in certain areas. It´s also the God for Freemasons (and Luciferians... / Illuminati).

Christians call him Devil... and Freemasons are seen (at least in "our circles") the devil worshippers; a satanic cult. 

Lucifer ("light-bringer" in Latin) is generally bad seen.

 

BUT - in the Bible´s Revelation 22:16 - Jesus says:
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star."

 

BUT - Morning Star is Venus, and Venus is accociated to Lucifer.

So basically Jesus calls himself Lucifer. (Jordan Maxwell says that in video - but doesn´t actually say the words exactly like in the book, but meaning the same anyway)

 

Ok... we can go with that for a while, but then, one could think: hmmm, doesn´t that mean then than Jesus is the Devil as well? Is he the son of God? (or SUN OF GOD).

OR - did it happen at some point, that SOME PEOPLE or SOME GROUP decided to take the name Lucifer for their own use, and to turn it upside down? That could explain why Lucifer is the god for the Freemasons. It´s also known that the Freemasons and the Sabbatean-Frankism cult indeed infiltrated the religions; so that type of hijacking is of course possible.

 

I imagine people here on this forum has been thinking about this already, so you may answer to my confusion.

 

 

 

 

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I've posted lots of things about this.

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/profile/4524-novymir/content/

 

 

Hint; the only thing or things that are "evil" is that which is not real. The principle of Deceit being "the father of lies", and "the Prince of this world"...so an idea was tested...a deceitful idea...no big deal actually...just reawaken to Reality.

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, EE-DAA said:

BUT - in the Bible´s Revelation 22:16 - Jesus says:
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star."

 

BUT - Morning Star is Venus, and Venus is accociated to Lucifer.

So basically Jesus calls himself Lucifer. (Jordan Maxwell says that in video - but doesn´t actually say the words exactly like in the book, but meaning the same anyway)

 

IMO - When Jesus ascended to Heaven, he took Lucifer's place, he who fell from grace. 

 

Isaiah 14 -11

Your pomp has been brought down to Sheol, along with the music of your harps. Maggots are your bed and worms your blanket. How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations. You said in your heart: 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.…How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

 

Jordan Maxwell is a Freemason PROOF! Dangerous Lies!! Watch @ 4:16

 

 

 

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Isaiah 14

All of them respond to you, saying:
‘You too have become weak like us!
You have become just like us!
11 Your splendor has been brought down to Sheol, as well as the sound of your stringed instruments.
You lie on a bed of maggots, with a blanket of worms over you.
12 Look how you have fallen from the sky,

O shining one, son of the dawn.
You have been cut down to the ground,
O conqueror of the nations!
13 You said to yourself, ‘I will climb up to the sky.
Above the stars of Elaa I will set up my throne.
I will rule on the mountain of assembly
on the remote slopes of Zaphon.
14 I will climb up to the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High!
15 But you were brought down to Sheol,
to the remote slopes of the Pit.
16 Those who see you stare at you,
they look at you carefully, thinking:
‘Is this the man who shook the earth,

the one who made kingdoms tremble?

 

Notice there is no Lucifer, only the planet Venus, the Morning Star, and notice the passage references a man, not a fallen angel.

 

Lucifer is nothing but a typo, there is no basis in the original scripture for the belief in Lucifer. They made him up.

 

This passage is talking about a king and it is the only passage in the Bible that supposedly references Lucifer except the original scripture does not mention Lucifer, only the morning star or day star.

 

The Greeks know the morning star as 'Lightbearer' so they changed Hebrew scripture from morning star to lightbearer. When the Romans came along they translated the Greek scriptures with lightbearer as Lucifer, and hey presto, a fallen angel was born.

 

How about the fall of man in the Garden of Eden - was it an apple that they ate?

 

The Bible only specifies it was a fruit, up until a few hundred years ago they considered that fruit a fig. Stupid Christians invented the apple idea like they invented Lucifer, Satan and Hell.

 

Did the dark forces hijack Lucifer ideology?

 

Yes.

 

They did it to twist the truth and deceive the gullible.

 

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4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Lucifer is nothing but a typo, there is no basis in the original scripture for the belief in Lucifer. They made him up.

 

This passage is talking about a king and it is the only passage in the Bible that supposedly references Lucifer except the original scripture does not mention Lucifer, only the morning star or day star.

 

The Greeks know the morning star as 'Lightbearer' so they changed Hebrew scripture from morning star to lightbearer. When the Romans came along they translated the Greek scriptures with lightbearer as Lucifer, and hey presto, a fallen angel was born.

 

Thank your for the notes. Could you still tell what do you exactly mean about the "original scripture" (to be clear. many other people will see these messages too, so it might useful for the future as well).

 

So if I understood correcty, what you call "they" you mean the Romans? They translated and manipulated the original scriptures for their own need? This happened in the time when Catholism was born (by Constantin), or earlier?

 

This reminds a documentary which I saw some while ago, saying that the first leader of Christianity was Saint Peter, and basically Christianity was just Judaism with different stories (and that some Jews even nowadays see Christianity as a branch of Judaism)

 

 

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18 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Isaiah 14

All of them respond to you, saying:
‘You too have become weak like us!
You have become just like us!
11 Your splendor has been brought down to Sheol, as well as the sound of your stringed instruments.
You lie on a bed of maggots, with a blanket of worms over you.
12 Look how you have fallen from the sky,

O shining one, son of the dawn.
You have been cut down to the ground,
O conqueror of the nations!
13 You said to yourself, ‘I will climb up to the sky.
Above the stars of Elaa I will set up my throne.
I will rule on the mountain of assembly
on the remote slopes of Zaphon.
14 I will climb up to the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High!
15 But you were brought down to Sheol,
to the remote slopes of the Pit.
16 Those who see you stare at you,
they look at you carefully, thinking:
‘Is this the man who shook the earth,

the one who made kingdoms tremble?

 

18 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Notice there is no Lucifer, only the planet Venus, the Morning Star, and notice the passage references a man, not a fallen angel.

 

Isaiah 14:12

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

 

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15 hours ago, EE-DAA said:

 

Thank your for the notes. Could you still tell what do you exactly mean about the "original scripture" (to be clear. many other people will see these messages too, so it might useful for the future as well).

 

So if I understood correcty, what you call "they" you mean the Romans? They translated and manipulated the original scriptures for their own need? This happened in the time when Catholism was born (by Constantin), or earlier?

 

This reminds a documentary which I saw some while ago, saying that the first leader of Christianity was Saint Peter, and basically Christianity was just Judaism with different stories (and that some Jews even nowadays see Christianity as a branch of Judaism)

 

Your pretty much on the money, 'they' being.... Well I think its complicated, yes they being the Romans, specifically the priests called by Constantine to agree which books entered the Bible and Constantine himself, but I wonder if there wasn't another group influencing those Roman priests, I think there was.

 

That would be the real 'them'

 

When I refer to Original scripture I generally do mean the original Biblical manuscripts written in Hebrew and Greek and not the re-translated Latin Vulgate, which contains errors and falsehoods, from which most other Bibles are derived.

 

Maybe people like the Ethiopian Church and other sects probably have correctly translated copies of original manuscripts too.

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On 4/4/2023 at 4:22 AM, pi3141 said:

 

Your pretty much on the money, 'they' being.... Well I think its complicated, yes they being the Romans, specifically the priests called by Constantine to agree which books entered the Bible and Constantine himself, but I wonder if there wasn't another group influencing those Roman priests, I think there was.

 

That would be the real 'them'

 

When I refer to Original scripture I generally do mean the original Biblical manuscripts written in Hebrew and Greek and not the re-translated Latin Vulgate, which contains errors and falsehoods, from which most other Bibles are derived.

 

Maybe people like the Ethiopian Church and other sects probably have correctly translated copies of original manuscripts too.

 

So, Constantine moved from Babylonian Sun Worship to Christianity - but for the new falsely translated version of it. Sounds like he (or them; if there actually were some mystical influencers, as we could easily imagine - as you suggest. How would the Emperor actually know the real deep secrets of the religion or its esoteric teachings; unless if he was "mystic shaman" also, which I doubt) did the translation intentionally to that way, as a way to conquer the world in a way (psychologically).

 

How about the Freemasonry, how it sits to this image? If Pope is the high priest of Freemasonry or its teaching, which started already much earlier than they were officially announced as a group of Freemasons --- going far back to Babylonian sun worshipping cult(?)... and even more far to... the lizard people/aliens/Annunaki???). How did Freemasons keep Lucifer as their God, if it represents Jesus? Or does it represent him after all (it´s just a way to confuse the Christians)? Morning star is Venus... and Jesus was told to be to Sun of God as well. It´s a confusion puzzle in my head. How I see it now, Venus is the morning star, the new dawn, the new age, "rising sun" - the new order... and the Sun (also Jesus) is the old way - and therefore Lucifer the Morning Star is the God for the Masons. Any thoughts? (Yes, I have seen, PLENTY of videos about that subject waiting to be watched, I will go through some of those, but it´s also nice have a conversation here). Or what is their God really???

 

About the original biblical scriptures you told .... do you mean The Dead Sea Scrolls? Or Hebrew Bible= Tanakh?

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Regarding original manuscripts - I read the Anchor Bible series version, it is a modern re-translation using the new knowledge from the Rosetta stone and discovery of other manuscripts and inscription on temples. Hence now in our age we have a better understanding of the old languages. According to the blurb, the Anchor Bible scholars comprise of 100's of scholars, linguists, theologians, rabbi's etc etc who have used the original manuscripts still existent to re-translate the Bible.

 

Here's the difference -

 

Latin Vulgate and all English derived Bibles - 

 

I tell you that you are Peter, and it is on this rock that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hell will not conquer it.

 

From the Anchor Bible -

And I in turn say to you that you are rock, and on this rock I will build my community, and the powers of death shall not overcome it.


You see the Christians turn to that passage and say 'Jesus talked about Hell, Hell must be real' but what they don't know is the Roman priests put that word in the passage, altering what their saviour actually said, changing his words. To me thats a blasphemy, and anyone that accepts such things is offending God - but moving on.

 

The only way I can prove the book says that is to take a photo - so here it is.

 

 

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Now regarding a mystical school that goes back before Constantine its not just my belief - its a scholarly view.

 

Again from Anchor in the notes section regarding Genesis - 

 

Anchor Bible - 

Genesis

Introduction

Page XXVI

(Regarding the sources of the Bible - D, P, E etc)

P

When we re-examine, for instance, the genealogies of the patriarchs before the flood (cf.v), the style and approach are unmistakably P's, yet the material has to be derived from ancient data. The same applies to the Edomite lists in ch. xxxvi. Just so - to stray for a moment from the book of Genesis - the census records in Numbers xxvi, although again set down by P, deal with the names and situations (notably the distribution of land holdings by lot) that go back by necessity to the early stages of Israelite settlements in Canaan. At the same time, there are other passages throughout the Tetrateuch that are undoubtedly much later. All this testifies to a wide coverage by P, ranging over many centuries. The conclusion that is usually drawn from these facts is that we have before us a series of separate P documents, as many as ten according to some critics. But such solutions fail to account for the prevailing uniformity in outlook and phraseology which typifies P as a whole.

 

The assumption that commends itself in these circumstances is that P was not an individual, or even a group of like minded contemporaries, but a school with an unbroken history reaching back to early Israelite times, and continuing to the Exodus and beyond.

 

End quote.


Now to sum up and touch on what you've written - the Bible stories go back to the Babylonian myths and the Babylonian myths came from the Canaanites and the Phoenicians who took some of their beliefs from Egypt and Sumer.

 

Now we find in ancient Babylonian myths the Dragon and Opposer myths and of course the idea of Hell and and underworld, these have leaked through infecting Christianity and influencing it towards the Satan, hell and AntiChrist (Lucifer/opposer) myths that stemmed from before Babylon in Egypt as Typhon.

 

What is Jesus' name? Its not Jesus its supposedly Yeheshua, wrong, thats a guess. But ok, lets stick with it, the transliteration of Yaheshua yields Joshua and we know Jesus was from the line of David (Davic) so Jesus' real name is Joshua David - No? 

 

The name Yeheshua has Sumerian roots and means 'Semen that Saves' referencing the ancient Pagan fertility cults of the East.

 

What is our Lords birthday - 25th December? Guess again, no that is also lost to our saviours most devoted followers so they picked the Suns winter solstice to celebrate it.

 

Well the fact is we don't know the saviours name so we give guess at what it is and as Yeheshua was popular at the time its a likely guess. But its not the truth. So hold on, lets get this straight, Mary was warned 9 months in advance of her birth, 3 Kings predicted and attended, 3 Shepherds were told and yet no-one wrote down the name or date? The Gospels written by the Apostles who were eye witnesses and travelled with Jesus all use the name Jesus but we know that was not his real name. So how does that work and what is the significance of the name Jesus.

 

Well there is no J in the Hebrew or Latin or Greek alphabets and Jesus' name is written 'Iesus' in Latin or Iesos' or Iesous' in Greek. So lets despatch with the Greek and Latin terminations and get to the original word 'Ies' Now lets use etymology to break the word down into its root and radical. The root of the word is 'I' meaning God or great God and 'es' is the Phoenician word for Fire.

 

Hence the name Jesus means Great God of Fire, they celebrate this Fire or Sun God on the Winter Solstice and his resurrection on the Spring solstice.

 

Hence Jesus is the Sun or an analogy/facsimile of the old Sun cults like Zoroaster, Hercules and Mithra.

 

Now, I hope I have shown that Christianity has been corrupted in its writings and has its roots in a tradition that goes Back to the Babylonian Sun cults and the Destruction principle of the Great Dragon or Snake - once again Babylonian myths that have morphed into Satan, Hell and the Antichrist myth.

 

(see 'The Antichrist Myth here = https://www.jstor.org/stable/23963942. and Bousset here - https://archive.org/details/antichristlegen00keangoog )

 

Christianity is an ongoing tradition of the Babylonian religion which in turn took their teachings from the child sacrificing devil worshipping Pagans that were the Phoenicians and Canaanites that in turn took their beliefs from ancient Egypt and Sumer.

 

The evidence is in the Bible and the Etymology of the language.

 

As for Freemasons, they're Pagan. They call themselves the Son's of Light like the Egyptian initiates did, they revere? maybe wrong word Azura and other deities and pagan myths, they set their school up like the Egyptian and Greek mystery schools. They are firmly rooted in Paganism. But in the end they just as big a spiritual sham as Christianity is.

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5 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Now regarding a mystical school that goes back before Constantine its not just my belief - its a scholarly view.

 

Again from Anchor in the notes section regarding Genesis - 

 

Anchor Bible - 

Genesis

Introduction

Page XXVI

(Regarding the sources of the Bible - D, P, E etc)

P

When we re-examine, for instance, the genealogies of the patriarchs before the flood (cf.v), the style and approach are unmistakably P's, yet the material has to be derived from ancient data. The same applies to the Edomite lists in ch. xxxvi. Just so - to stray for a moment from the book of Genesis - the census records in Numbers xxvi, although again set down by P, deal with the names and situations (notably the distribution of land holdings by lot) that go back by necessity to the early stages of Israelite settlements in Canaan. At the same time, there are other passages throughout the Tetrateuch that are undoubtedly much later. All this testifies to a wide coverage by P, ranging over many centuries. The conclusion that is usually drawn from these facts is that we have before us a series of separate P documents, as many as ten according to some critics. But such solutions fail to account for the prevailing uniformity in outlook and phraseology which typifies P as a whole.

 

The assumption that commends itself in these circumstances is that P was not an individual, or even a group of like minded contemporaries, but a school with an unbroken history reaching back to early Israelite times, and continuing to the Exodus and beyond.

 

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Now to sum up and touch on what you've written - the Bible stories go back to the Babylonian myths and the Babylonian myths came from the Canaanites and the Phoenicians who took some of their beliefs from Egypt and Sumer.

 

Now we find in ancient Babylonian myths the Dragon and Opposer myths and of course the idea of Hell and and underworld, these have leaked through infecting Christianity and influencing it towards the Satan, hell and AntiChrist (Lucifer/opposer) myths that stemmed from before Babylon in Egypt as Typhon.

 

What is Jesus' name? Its not Jesus its supposedly Yeheshua, wrong, thats a guess. But ok, lets stick with it, the transliteration of Yaheshua yields Joshua and we know Jesus was from the line of David (Davic) so Jesus' real name is Joshua David - No? 

 

The name Yeheshua has Sumerian roots and means 'Semen that Saves' referencing the ancient Pagan fertility cults of the East.

 

What is our Lords birthday - 25th December? Guess again, no that is also lost to our saviours most devoted followers so they picked the Suns winter solstice to celebrate it.

 

Well the fact is we don't know the saviours name so we give guess at what it is and as Yeheshua was popular at the time its a likely guess. But its not the truth. So hold on, lets get this straight, Mary was warned 9 months in advance of her birth, 3 Kings predicted and attended, 3 Shepherds were told and yet no-one wrote down the name or date? The Gospels written by the Apostles who were eye witnesses and travelled with Jesus all use the name Jesus but we know that was not his real name. So how does that work and what is the significance of the name Jesus.

 

Well there is no J in the Hebrew or Latin or Greek alphabets and Jesus' name is written 'Iesus' in Latin or Iesos' or Iesous' in Greek. So lets despatch with the Greek and Latin terminations and get to the original word 'Ies' Now lets use etymology to break the word down into its root and radical. The root of the word is 'I' meaning God or great God and 'es' is the Phoenician word for Fire.

 

Hence the name Jesus means Great God of Fire, they celebrate this Fire or Sun God on the Winter Solstice and his resurrection on the Spring solstice.

 

Hence Jesus is the Sun or an analogy/facsimile of the old Sun cults like Zoroaster, Hercules and Mithra.

 

Now, I hope I have shown that Christianity has been corrupted in its writings and has its roots in a tradition that goes Back to the Babylonian Sun cults and the Destruction principle of the Great Dragon or Snake - once again Babylonian myths that have morphed into Satan, Hell and the Antichrist myth.

 

(see 'The Antichrist Myth here = https://www.jstor.org/stable/23963942. and Bousset here - https://archive.org/details/antichristlegen00keangoog )

 

Christianity is an ongoing tradition of the Babylonian religion which in turn took their teachings from the child sacrificing devil worshipping Pagans that were the Phoenicians and Canaanites that in turn took their beliefs from ancient Egypt and Sumer.

 

The evidence is in the Bible and the Etymology of the language.

 

As for Freemasons, they're Pagan. They call themselves the Son's of Light like the Egyptian initiates did, they revere? maybe wrong word Azura and other deities and pagan myths, they set their school up like the Egyptian and Greek mystery schools. They are firmly rooted in Paganism. But in the end they just as big a spiritual sham as Christianity is.

Don't have anything to contribute, other than to acknowledge and thank you for this excellent and informative post. 

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On 4/5/2023 at 9:11 PM, pi3141 said:

The Gospels written by the Apostles who were eye witnesses and travelled with Jesus all use the name Jesus but we know that was not his real name. So how does that work and what is the significance of the name Jesus.

 

Just to be clear - if the writers of the godspells do not know the real name of Jesus, their companion, then those writers did not know the real Jesus.

 

If the saviours real name has been substituted later for a name that reduces to Sun God by the re-writers of the Bible, then that rather gives the whole game away - doesn't it?

 

The name is a fiction, a fictional name for a real person?

 

No, surely not. What sort of priest, knowing the saviours name, would then substitute it for a metaphor and forget the most sacred name to history?

 

WHY?

 

If they knew him, why would they do that to their own, and our saviour?

 

How can they have lost the most important name in history.

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On 4/5/2023 at 3:11 PM, pi3141 said:

Now regarding a mystical school that goes back before Constantine its not just my belief - its a scholarly view.

 

Again from Anchor in the notes section regarding Genesis - 

 

Anchor Bible - 

Genesis

Introduction

Page XXVI

(Regarding the sources of the Bible - D, P, E etc)

P

When we re-examine, for instance, the genealogies of the patriarchs before the flood (cf.v), the style and approach are unmistakably P's, yet the material has to be derived from ancient data. The same applies to the Edomite lists in ch. xxxvi. Just so - to stray for a moment from the book of Genesis - the census records in Numbers xxvi, although again set down by P, deal with the names and situations (notably the distribution of land holdings by lot) that go back by necessity to the early stages of Israelite settlements in Canaan. At the same time, there are other passages throughout the Tetrateuch that are undoubtedly much later. All this testifies to a wide coverage by P, ranging over many centuries. The conclusion that is usually drawn from these facts is that we have before us a series of separate P documents, as many as ten according to some critics. But such solutions fail to account for the prevailing uniformity in outlook and phraseology which typifies P as a whole.

 

The assumption that commends itself in these circumstances is that P was not an individual, or even a group of like minded contemporaries, but a school with an unbroken history reaching back to early Israelite times, and continuing to the Exodus and beyond.

 

End quote.


Now to sum up and touch on what you've written - the Bible stories go back to the Babylonian myths and the Babylonian myths came from the Canaanites and the Phoenicians who took some of their beliefs from Egypt and Sumer.

 

Now we find in ancient Babylonian myths the Dragon and Opposer myths and of course the idea of Hell and and underworld, these have leaked through infecting Christianity and influencing it towards the Satan, hell and AntiChrist (Lucifer/opposer) myths that stemmed from before Babylon in Egypt as Typhon.

 

What is Jesus' name? Its not Jesus its supposedly Yeheshua, wrong, thats a guess. But ok, lets stick with it, the transliteration of Yaheshua yields Joshua and we know Jesus was from the line of David (Davic) so Jesus' real name is Joshua David - No? 

 

The name Yeheshua has Sumerian roots and means 'Semen that Saves' referencing the ancient Pagan fertility cults of the East.

 

What is our Lords birthday - 25th December? Guess again, no that is also lost to our saviours most devoted followers so they picked the Suns winter solstice to celebrate it.

 

Well the fact is we don't know the saviours name so we give guess at what it is and as Yeheshua was popular at the time its a likely guess. But its not the truth. So hold on, lets get this straight, Mary was warned 9 months in advance of her birth, 3 Kings predicted and attended, 3 Shepherds were told and yet no-one wrote down the name or date? The Gospels written by the Apostles who were eye witnesses and travelled with Jesus all use the name Jesus but we know that was not his real name. So how does that work and what is the significance of the name Jesus.

 

Well there is no J in the Hebrew or Latin or Greek alphabets and Jesus' name is written 'Iesus' in Latin or Iesos' or Iesous' in Greek. So lets despatch with the Greek and Latin terminations and get to the original word 'Ies' Now lets use etymology to break the word down into its root and radical. The root of the word is 'I' meaning God or great God and 'es' is the Phoenician word for Fire.

 

Hence the name Jesus means Great God of Fire, they celebrate this Fire or Sun God on the Winter Solstice and his resurrection on the Spring solstice.

 

Hence Jesus is the Sun or an analogy/facsimile of the old Sun cults like Zoroaster, Hercules and Mithra.

 

Now, I hope I have shown that Christianity has been corrupted in its writings and has its roots in a tradition that goes Back to the Babylonian Sun cults and the Destruction principle of the Great Dragon or Snake - once again Babylonian myths that have morphed into Satan, Hell and the Antichrist myth.

 

(see 'The Antichrist Myth here = https://www.jstor.org/stable/23963942. and Bousset here - https://archive.org/details/antichristlegen00keangoog )

 

Christianity is an ongoing tradition of the Babylonian religion which in turn took their teachings from the child sacrificing devil worshipping Pagans that were the Phoenicians and Canaanites that in turn took their beliefs from ancient Egypt and Sumer.

 

The evidence is in the Bible and the Etymology of the language.

 

As for Freemasons, they're Pagan. They call themselves the Son's of Light like the Egyptian initiates did, they revere? maybe wrong word Azura and other deities and pagan myths, they set their school up like the Egyptian and Greek mystery schools. They are firmly rooted in Paganism. But in the end they just as big a spiritual sham as Christianity is.

A question did pop to mind.

 

And speaking from ignorance.

 

What you say about his apostles not even knowing his name. Implies to me, that the story of Jesus may not be true.

 

If this is the case, then how did Christianity become so popular?

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1 hour ago, Mr H said:

And do you think there was a person who was "enlightened" who roamed in that era? Or that is also false?

 

Oh yes, there were many.

 

The Jesus character is a combination of the lives of several men and ancient legends.

 

We have James the Just, supposed brother of Jesus, who was the leader of the Essenes, they held copies of the Gospels long before the time of Jesus.

 

You have Appolonius of Tyana, who preached the gospel, then escaped persecution and died peacefully of old age.

 

There is a Gnostic element to Jesus' teachings that must have come from a Gnostic priest.

 

Then there's the legendary elements like the miracles and dying and resurrection all taken from earlier Pagan legends. Then there's the works attributed to Jesus that were taken from elsewhere.  The Sermon on the Mount that was preached in Egypt thousands of years before Christ supposedly preached it.

 

The fictional Jesus character of the fictional Bible is a composite of real people.

 

It's a Docu Drama - based on real events but names and places changed to protect the innocent!

 

The town of Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' time. The Bible says Jesus the Nasorean not Nazarite, the term Nasorean is a Gnostic term - one who has consecrated their life to the service of God.

 

Hence Jesus was a Gnostic.

 

Jesus is also 'forever a priest in the order of Melchizedek'

 

Jesus preached Buddhist ideologies.

 

Pythagoras taught similar to the teachings of Jesus and had great influence across the ancient world.

 

So you see, we have an Essenne, a Gnostic, a priest of Melchizedek, a Buddhist, Pagan sermons and mythology - at least 4 persons contributing to this legend.

 

Then there's Chrestus, he's the one who went to the Cross but he wasn't Jesus.

 

That makes at least 5 of them.

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Nazarene (title)

The English term Nazarene is commonly used to translate two related Greek words that appear in the New Testament: Nazōraios (Ναζωραῖος, Ναζαραῖος) ("Nazorean") and Nazarēnos ("Nazarene"). The term Nazōraios may have a religious significance instead of denoting a place of origin, while Nazarēnos (Ναζαρηνός) is an adjectival form of the phrase apo Nazaret "from Nazareth."[9]

 

Because of this, the phrases traditionally rendered as "Jesus of Nazareth" can also be translated as "Jesus the Nazarene" or "Jesus the Nazorean." In the New Testament, the form Nazōraios or Nazaraios is more common than Nazarēnos (meaning "from Nazareth").

 

 

Nasoraean Mandaeans

 

Those few who are initiated into the secrets of the Mandaean religion are called Naṣuraiia or Nasoraeans/Nasaraeans meaning guardians or possessors of secret rites and knowledge.[29] According to the Haran Gawaita, Nasoraean Mandaeans fled Jerusalem before its fall in 70 CE due to persecution by a faction of Jews.[30] The word Naṣuraiia may come from the root n-ṣ-r meaning "to keep", since although they reject the Mosaic Law, they consider themselves to be keepers of Gnosis. 

 

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(sect)

 

 

To the Nazoreans - Jesus is an apostate.

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On 4/7/2023 at 3:28 AM, Mr H said:

@pi3141 fascinating information, thank you so much for sharing.

 

A bit more - I copied this form - Rev Taylor - Diegesis -  Being a discovery of the origin, evidences, and early history of Christianity never yet before of elsewhere so fully and faithfully set forth. 

 

This is taking from the writings of Eusebius. 

 

P319


Pantaenus A.D. 193


PANTAENUS has claim on our acquaintance as master of Clemens Alexandria, and Origen, and head of the university or school in Alexandria in Egypt; though, on the best calculations. it would seem that he was living even in the third century. His high authority is indicated in the circumstance of Origen's pleading his example in justification of his study of heathen learning. Photius speaks of him as a hearer of some who had seen the apostles, and even some of the apostles themselves.

 

Eusebius bears this important testimony to his character and place in history: "At the time (about the period of the accession of Commodus) there presided in the school of the faithful at that place (Alexandria) a man highly celebrated on account of his learning, by the name Pantaenus. For there had been from ancient time erected among them a school of sacred learning, which remains to this day: and we have understood that it has been wont to be furnished with men eminent for their eloquence and the study of divine things; and it is said that this person excelled others of that time, having been bought up in the Stoic philosophy; that he was nominated or sent forth as a missionary to preach the gospel of Christ to the nations of the East, and to have travelled to India. For there were yet at that time many evangelists of the word, animated with a divine seal on imitating the apostles, by contributing the enlargement of the gospel, and building up the church; of whom this Pantaenus was one; who is said to have gone to the Indians, where it is commonly said he found the gospel of Mathew, written in the Hebrew tongue, which before his arrival had been delivered to some in that country who had the knowledge of Christ, to whom Bartholomew, one of the apostles, is said to have preached, and to have left with then that writing of Mathew, and that it was preserved among them to that time. This Pantaenus, therefore, for his many excellent performances, was at last made president of the school of Alexandria, where he set forth the treasures of the divine principles both by word of mouth and by his writings"

 

What St. Jerome says of this ancient Christian, is to this purpose: "Pantaenus, a philosopher of the Stoic sect, according to ancient custom of the city of Alexandria, was, at the request of ambassadors from India, sent into that country by Denetrius, bishop of Alexandria, where he found that Bartholomew, one of the twelve apostles, had preached the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, according to the gospel of Mathew, which he bought back with him to Alexandria, written in Hebrew letters"

 

Here we have another clue to the history of Christianity, winding up the same core of the labyrinth, and bringing us through a varied tract to the result which we have already ascertained, under the guidance of Melito, Eusebius, and Philo. Pantaenus, a missionary from the Therapeutean college of Alexandria, seems to have brought from India the idolatrous legends of the Hindoo god Chrishna, whom he imported into the Roman dominions, like a good Eclectic as he was, uniting the characters of the Grecian, or Phoenician Yesus, and the Indian Chrishna, "in one Lord Jesus Christ", whose history, at first contained in the Diegesis, or general narrative, was re-edited by three Egyptian secretaries, afterwards yclept the evangelists, Mathew, Mark, and Luke, and subsequently enlarged by an appendix of Egyptian rhapsodies, under the denomination of the Gospel according to St. John. The discovery of the unknown term in a quadratic equation, never more entirely responded to all requisites of the problem, than these facts do to every rational query that can arise out of the phenomena of the gospel legend.

 

 

Note:

Stoic - Stoicism - A Greek philosophy - Heathen / Pagan ? Philosophy.

 

Theraputae - an Egyptian cult from which the Essenes took their learning, the Essenes were also known as Theraputae and Jesus was probably schooled in essene thought as his brother James was their leader in those times. But the school itself had existed long before having come from Egypt. It is said Pythagoras studied in Egypt, most likely with the Theraputae also.

 

 

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Therapeutae

Philo's description of the doctrines and practices of the Therapeutae leaves great ambiguity about what religion they are associated with. Analysis by religious scholar Ullrich R. Kleinhempel indicates that the most likely religion the Therapeutae practiced was Buddhism.[3]

 

Name

The word "Therapeutae" may also have been adapted from the Indian Pali word for traditional Buddhists, Theravada.[10]

 

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutae

 

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Was Jesus a Buddhist?


James M. Hanson


Was Jesus a Buddhist? Certainly he was many things—Jew, prophet, healer, moralist, revolutionary, by his own admission the Messiah, and for most Christians the Son of God and redeemer of their sins. And there is convincing evidence that he was also a Buddhist. The evidence follows two independent lines—the first is historical, and the second is textual. Historical evidence indicates that Jesus was well acquainted with Buddhism. If Jesus did not go to India, then at least India went to Judea and Jesus. The real historical question is not if he studied Buddhism, but where and how much he studied Buddhism, especially during his so-called "lost years."

 

Historical accounts aside, many textual analyses indicate striking similarities between what was said by Jesus and by Buddha and between the prophetic legend of Jesus and ancient Buddhist texts. The conclusion is that, although not identifying himself as a Buddhist for good reasons, Jesus spoke like a Buddhist. The similarities are so striking that, even if no historical evidence existed, we can suspect that Jesus studied Buddhist teachings and that the prophecy and legend of Jesus was derived from Buddhist stories.

 

Historical Evidence of Buddhism in Judea
Historical evidence indicates that Jesus knew about Buddhism, simply because both he and it were in Judea during the same time. Other evidence, while perhaps apocryphal, indicates that he spent most of his so-called lost years outside Judea, possibly in Kashmir to study Buddhism exclusively.

 

Link - https://muse.jhu.edu/article/188153

 

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Buddhism and Christianity

Origins and early contacts

Some modern historians have suggested that the pre-Christian monastic order in Egypt of the Therapeutae is possibly a deformation of the Pāli word "Theravāda",[13] a form of Buddhism, and the movement may have "almost entirely drawn (its) inspiration from the teaching and practices of Buddhist asceticism".[14] They may even have been descendants of Asoka's emissaries to the West.[15]

 

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity

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On 4/5/2023 at 9:11 PM, pi3141 said:

What is our Lords birthday - 25th December? Guess again, no that is also lost to our saviours most devoted followers so they picked the Suns winter solstice to celebrate it

 

Jesus couldn't have been born in the winter as the shepherds were watching over their flocks at night & in Israel the winters are harsh & the sheep would have been penned in.

 

Luke 2:7 And she gave birth to her firstborn, a Son. She wrapped Him in swaddling cloths and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were shepherds residing in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks by night.

 

The same with the Crucifixion, the solar eclipses of the day tells us when.

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7 hours ago, alexa said:

 

Jesus couldn't have been born in the winter as the shepherds were watching over their flocks at night & in Israel the winters are harsh & the sheep would have been penned in.

 

The same with the Crucifixion, the solar eclipses of the day tells us when.

 

So when was he born?

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