Is God Dead? Was God Defeated by Satan?

[Dei Eif]

 

The world is full of evil. The world has always been full of evil. Cults run the world, whether or not they are called cults or just groups of people engaging cult like behaviour. 

 

Religions have spilled blood all through history, repressed any other identity but theirs all through history. There are glimmering points of light within religions, acts we have taken as society that move us away from ingrained evil practice. There's people who live by this standard or that standard of good behaviour.

 

 Yet the world looks worse than ever if one considers the volumetrics of amount of humans and amount of suffering without even bothering to examine any other form of evil through wilfulness or ignorance or moral and economic despotism.

 

There's more starvation, murder and warfare than there ever was in history. There's more toil by the impoverished for the decadence of technologically superior nations than ever. There's more animals living lives of abject misery for a cheap unhealthy meal by an ungrateful small percentage than ever. There's more environmental degradation and ecological collapse than any other rate of mass extinction we think we know about.

 

Where is God? Where are the angels? The devil I'm sure is somewhere influencing everything and is the one who is laughing at the state of the world. The one who manufactures ignorance where enlightenment would grow of its own accord. The one strengthening the corruption in all our social systems and there surely are demons walking around in human form or floating around in pseudo human form. 

 

A good person can be found, as I said by this standard or that standard they are at the very least good. Evil people seem far more prevalent or noticeable if you will, if possibly less in volume than good people, though I truly believe most people are really just shitty examples of humanity.

 

 But truly evil people, demons in human form, they are killing and torturing and kidnapping and profiting off of suffering. To me that's far closer to demonic than a good person, even a great one, even the greatest person possible could be said to be angelic, because angels are supposed to make war on demons aren't they? Imbued with divine energy capable of the miraculous. How would a human let alone do any of that conquer evil besides killing an evil person or putting in jail for life an evil person, the bill for which our taxes collectively pay for?

 

So if we think in terms that examine our collective notions from every culture, there is a story of a war between God and the devil. It's told many ways in many places but the story or notion itself seems universal to the human condition and story of humanity.

 

 Is it possible that God lost this battle? Had sundered whatever form God required to be a singular being and became scattered across creation? This idea exists in many religions also though it's rarely attributed to the slaying of God by Satan, it's generally said to be one state of God who can exist however God decides, simultaneously everywhere. Doesn't that sound more like dying than eternally living?

 

Maybe what Satan intended was to gain the energy of God to take God's place but like Obi Wan Kenobi turning into nothing Satan was left like Vader stomping on God's robe and then in resentment went down from on high to slowly rot as a king of nothingness with nothing left to gain or seize?

 

To me this would explain a world where religions have defined themselves by violence or pride in their own doctrines, it's far easier to be evil than to stay good and one finds pathways to success in this world laid out for evil people. It would explain a struggle like chipping away at a mountain through history in order to see a world that is not oppressive on all sides all whilst the mountain is built up higher by the bones of greed exacting blood and life for its own largesse and comforts.

 

Some religions say this world is a test for us to earn an eternal reward or an eternal suffering. If suffering is all that awaits evil people and evil spiritual beings, why is the energy of evil so strong in the world? Surely the source of evil and it's machinations would be far too preoccupied with its own suffering to aid and abet all the ill doings of humanity.

 

 If eternal reward awaits the good, what point is there to a single life of struggling to attain it? It seems like swimming across an ocean of suffering to spend the rest of forever in a nice warm pool. You work hard in this place to forget about it completely. Makes more sense I suppose than working 60 years to retire for 10 to yourself with as much capability to enjoy it as the first 10 before work of some kind began to define everything, and who is the work for in the world I've described? Surely not for Gods plan if this is what it looks like?

 

Where did we go wrong? When did we ever go right? How do you believe in attainment of not being part of the test anymore and if the attainment is continuing with this place in the next life, why is it always getting much worse for the small improvements we fight and die to gain?

 

WHAT FUCKING SENSE IS THERE TO THIS CREATION?

 

IF LUCIFER OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE SLAYER OF GOD WAS INSANE TO KILL GOD AND SUCCEEDED, ISN'T AN INSANE WORLD WHAT WOULD BE CREATED?

 

Like any murderer tortured by remorse and driven further into insanity, so does the mocking voice of a God who seems more like an invoked memory worth doing any good deed in the name of seem to torture the very fabric of a world dominated by evil through all its history. What "living" God would allow that? What more but a "dead" one could inspire one such as lowly as I am to think this way and dedicate my life to the destruction of evil and dismantling of its systems, but not for the sheer spite of it? That's as close to the truth about me as I can fathom. I'm somewhat good by some standard, certainly not a living demon or wilfully evil, but I'm just as shitty an example of humanity as anyone at times and my strongest motivation is pure spite for the idea that the devil is behind all of it. I don't even care if that's true I'll continue to spite evil for that exact reason until I die. And I can't wait to find out what the fuck is actually wrong with creation.

 

Sincerely, some guy.

[novymir]

No.

 

I, and many others have given the answer. Specifics/details can be translated differently(to suit individual taste) as long as the general Spirit is Truthful the message will be Truthful. The problem is: since it's not the answer they want,,,yet,,,,they aren't ready to accept it.

It's not really a problem though, like everything else here, "problems" are illusury.

 

There are no real paradoxes, only seeming ones.

 

In 10 words, the answer:

 

 

Edited March 22 by novymir

[Dickwan]

50 minutes ago, Dei Eif said:

 

The world is full of evil. The world has always been full of evil. Cults run the world, whether or not they are called cults or just groups of people engaging cult like behaviour. 

 

Religions have spilled blood all through history, repressed any other identity but theirs all through history. There are glimmering points of light within religions, acts we have taken as society that move us away from ingrained evil practice. There's people who live by this standard or that standard of good behaviour.

 

 Yet the world looks worse than ever if one considers the volumetrics of amount of humans and amount of suffering without even bothering to examine any other form of evil through wilfulness or ignorance or moral and economic despotism.

 

There's more starvation, murder and warfare than there ever was in history. There's more toil by the impoverished for the decadence of technologically superior nations than ever. There's more animals living lives of abject misery for a cheap unhealthy meal by an ungrateful small percentage than ever. There's more environmental degradation and ecological collapse than any other rate of mass extinction we think we know about.

 

Where is God? Where are the angels? The devil I'm sure is somewhere influencing everything and is the one who is laughing at the state of the world. The one who manufactures ignorance where enlightenment would grow of its own accord. The one strengthening the corruption in all our social systems and there surely are demons walking around in human form or floating around in pseudo human form. 

 

A good person can be found, as I said by this standard or that standard they are at the very least good. Evil people seem far more prevalent or noticeable if you will, if possibly less in volume than good people, though I truly believe most people are really just shitty examples of humanity.

 

 But truly evil people, demons in human form, they are killing and torturing and kidnapping and profiting off of suffering. To me that's far closer to demonic than a good person, even a great one, even the greatest person possible could be said to be angelic, because angels are supposed to make war on demons aren't they? Imbued with divine energy capable of the miraculous. How would a human let alone do any of that conquer evil besides killing an evil person or putting in jail for life an evil person, the bill for which our taxes collectively pay for?

 

So if we think in terms that examine our collective notions from every culture, there is a story of a war between God and the devil. It's told many ways in many places but the story or notion itself seems universal to the human condition and story of humanity.

 

 Is it possible that God lost this battle? Had sundered whatever form God required to be a singular being and became scattered across creation? This idea exists in many religions also though it's rarely attributed to the slaying of God by Satan, it's generally said to be one state of God who can exist however God decides, simultaneously everywhere. Doesn't that sound more like dying than eternally living?

 

Maybe what Satan intended was to gain the energy of God to take God's place but like Obi Wan Kenobi turning into nothing Satan was left like Vader stomping on God's robe and then in resentment went down from on high to slowly rot as a king of nothingness with nothing left to gain or seize?

 

To me this would explain a world where religions have defined themselves by violence or pride in their own doctrines, it's far easier to be evil than to stay good and one finds pathways to success in this world laid out for evil people. It would explain a struggle like chipping away at a mountain through history in order to see a world that is not oppressive on all sides all whilst the mountain is built up higher by the bones of greed exacting blood and life for its own largesse and comforts.

 

Some religions say this world is a test for us to earn an eternal reward or an eternal suffering. If suffering is all that awaits evil people and evil spiritual beings, why is the energy of evil so strong in the world? Surely the source of evil and it's machinations would be far too preoccupied with its own suffering to aid and abet all the ill doings of humanity.

 

 If eternal reward awaits the good, what point is there to a single life of struggling to attain it? It seems like swimming across an ocean of suffering to spend the rest of forever in a nice warm pool. You work hard in this place to forget about it completely. Makes more sense I suppose than working 60 years to retire for 10 to yourself with as much capability to enjoy it as the first 10 before work of some kind began to define everything, and who is the work for in the world I've described? Surely not for Gods plan if this is what it looks like?

 

Where did we go wrong? When did we ever go right? How do you believe in attainment of not being part of the test anymore and if the attainment is continuing with this place in the next life, why is it always getting much worse for the small improvements we fight and die to gain?

 

WHAT FUCKING SENSE IS THERE TO THIS CREATION?

 

IF LUCIFER OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE SLAYER OF GOD WAS INSANE TO KILL GOD AND SUCCEEDED, ISN'T AN INSANE WORLD WHAT WOULD BE CREATED?

 

Like any murderer tortured by remorse and driven further into insanity, so does the mocking voice of a God who seems more like an invoked memory worth doing any good deed in the name of seem to torture the very fabric of a world dominated by evil through all its history. What "living" God would allow that? What more but a "dead" one could inspire one such as lowly as I am to think this way and dedicate my life to the destruction of evil and dismantling of its systems, but not for the sheer spite of it? That's as close to the truth about me as I can fathom. I'm somewhat good by some standard, certainly not a living demon or wilfully evil, but I'm just as shitty an example of humanity as anyone at times and my strongest motivation is pure spite for the idea that the devil is behind all of it. I don't even care if that's true I'll continue to spite evil for that exact reason until I die. And I can't wait to find out what the fuck is actually wrong with creation.

 

Sincerely, some guy.

 

I've thought along similar lines before. It certainly seems we exist in a predominantly evil realm. 

 

[novymir]

Basically, "GOD" is Reality. And our "imprisonment" is self-induced, a self-deception. That deceit is the "father of lies" and the source of all evil that follows. Without deceit there is no evil. Therefore, "evil" cannot be representative of Reality, only TRUTH represents Reality--they are ONE. Therefore, any "evil" is merely fantasy, a dream that contradicts Reality. It is nothing and nowhere, except "in our heads" seemingly "out there".

 

The ego idea of separated self is the 1st deceit, it then took advantage and was allowed to inflate itself and substitute for The Real, it pulled a bait and switch on us. This "world" is a co-(mis)creation with the ego(deceit-self), and reflects the ego's nature, which is artificial, and an inversion of Truth. The Real is within, but the ego suppresses it, and takes (false)credit for any loveliness that does get through, it is a plagarizer and a counterfeiter.

 

It's all in the "mind":

 

 

Our consciousness figuratively( say: "hello Lucifer"):

 

 

 

The dream is based on lies. As such, it's a game of self-condemnation and abuse. Internally. Because the ego(not real) is a liar and hates it's maker. EgoMatrix--dream of Delusion.

 

Forgive thyself, you could not have known where this would lead! Then Awaken.

 

Your Innocence is Eternal and guaranteed by GOD, whom you never really left, except "perceptually".

 

Jim tapped into a greater awareness...many have..."Enter Sandman" by Metalica, etc. It's the creativity and ego deflation/suspension that allows The Spirit to get through---the ego tries to mimic it, with lame shit...

The ego can't even come close to The Real.

 

 

Edited March 22 by novymir

[Origin]

2 hours ago, Dei Eif said:

 

 

Where is God? Where are the angels? 

 

So if we think in terms that examine our collective notions from every culture, there is a story of a war between God and the devil. It's told many ways in many places but the story or notion itself seems universal to the human condition and story of humanity.

Is it possible that God lost this battle? Had sundered whatever form God required to be a singular being and became scattered across creation? 

WHAT FUCKING SENSE IS THERE TO THIS CREATION?

IF LUCIFER OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE SLAYER OF GOD WAS INSANE TO KILL GOD AND SUCCEEDED, ISN'T AN INSANE WORLD WHAT WOULD BE CREATED?

 

 

 

Where is God?

What is a god? It is nothing more than a currently unknown form of existence. And what is extraordinarily advanced..

Where are the angels?

Where pattern are supposed to be..

So if we think in terms that examine our collective notions from every culture, there is a story of a war between God and the devil.

Humans have a vivid imagination without having a slightest clue. Perhaps humans project their conflicts onto something they don't understand.

Is it possible that God lost this battle? Had sundered whatever form God required to be a singular being and became scattered across creation? 

There was no war, except the eternal war of humans against other humans. And what is perfect can't be shattered.

WHAT FUCKING SENSE IS THERE TO THIS CREATION?

A chance to be able to exit it. And no one will be able to cheat their way through. 

IF LUCIFER OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE SLAYER OF GOD WAS INSANE TO KILL GOD AND SUCCEEDED, ISN'T AN INSANE WORLD WHAT WOULD BE CREATED?

You mean us? Since we are indeed insane we have created exactly what we wanted. Little insider, there is a door where it can be proven that we could actually evolve.

[Dei Eif]

Most respondents so far seem pretty glib in their cloaking of quantum physics with the mainstream scientific notions of the origin of the universe: There is no God, there is only the universe. Continuing to blend ancient schools of thought with new age thinking combining transcendental schools and among other ancient practices, Buddhism: There is only the self, the self is doing everything to itself, there is nothing beyond this.

Whilst that's some patchwork quilt of a blanket idea upon the uncountable mysteries of creation seemingly intended to give one a sense of safety and security, what your statements and the ideologies they give voice to lack, predominately, is something featured quite strongly in my suppositions, namely this: ?

It would have been quite easy for me to have presented these notions as facts or unarguable truths, however that would be missing the one thing the modern scientific method gets unarguably right, the concept of the hypothesis. You can't start from being convinced about anything then search around just for the information which seems to back this up.

If one keeps an open mind about things and never considers themselves to be fully convinced of anything that's not ontological and repeatable, in other words trusting your senses when they are proven trustworthy, one begins to see the breadth and depth of variation to experience and examination of experience and rumination on possibility. It's quite a daunting task for the individual but it leads to some quite interesting places, in the case of examining a for and against for the overarching parts of my argument and the discrepancies drawn, we can examine intelligent design. It is imprinted everywhere in creation and the idea that an intelligent being created the physical universe seems quite evident. So one can project their own ideas on, for example, the computer or device you are using to read this, having no background in the science of creating it, and indeed you can come up with all kinds of notions about how it works. Does this make it a simple thing to understand and recreate? Even if one dismantles hardware and keeps careful record of how the hardware is assembled, you lack completely as the observer the requirements to understand the software. In terms of creation it is the same. We can dissect any number of incredibly complex organic or inorganic structures all the way up to our own brains being the most complex forms in existence, how does that and has that advanced our understanding of the function and origin of consciousness? The modern scientific consensus is that it has not, so to say the modern schools of blending ancient with modern ideologies of internalization and the path of self identity has somehow cracked the nature of time by realizing consciously that it is one chemical chain inside of one molecular structure holding one cog together that works in synchrony to keep a watch ticking, is beyond hubris it's the same insanity I was talking about in my original post.

The kind of thinking that would cause a being like the devil to believe the devil could take the place of God. You'll find these kinds of thinking tend to dominate mankind through all history. I was going to expound on this in my original post but I wanted some initial responses to work from first. So it's a fine thing to choose a religion, or spiritual practice or belief, but to say you now understand the entirety of creation and why such ideas do not even seem rational to most people, that is the limitation on possibility that has led the agenda of divide and conquer that is either operated or operates on it's own in the world. Probably it's both but even to say you're sure the incredibly intelligent and manipulative systems of evil are just an aberration of consciousness, well to me this means you won't continue to try and understand what it is and where it's coming from, so evil wins.

If ancient cultures were intelligent enough to have created a worldwide network of megalithic structures we have not fully decoded, understood and explained in over 5000 years and what they were doing in a lot of, if not all of these spaces was evil of the kind from the self deceptions of grandiosity to the brutality of human sacrifice and torture, what does that say about the nature of intelligence? I really want you to think carefully about this because I can't think of any inventors that truly advanced humanity that were also serial killers in their spare time. Higher intelligence being involved though, well the evidence of that has been abundantly found by people with rational hairstyles. Were they ancient aliens? Maybe. It says in the bible the fallen angels were on the earth in the antediluvian period however and this makes more sense to me. Those who understood structures from the level that they were consciousness when structures were created by God.

Maybe the answers are washed away and buried. Maybe they are within us. Maybe we are reincarnated angels and fallen angels that have regressed over a period of being on the earth and not in the realm of our creator. Maybe all of these things. Maybe none of them.

I don't know.

But I know how to look at reality and say "this makes sense" then search for every piece of information I can find that suggests "it does not make sense anymore". The beginning of knowledge is admitting that you in fact know nothing at all and your reality is built upon assumptions that are the result of repeated experiences or experiences that are never had to begin with. Understanding the difference is perhaps the first stage after the beginning.

BUT WHERE IS GOD?

Edited March 23 by Dei Eif

[alexa]

17 hours ago, Dei Eif said:

 

The world is full of evil. The world has always been full of evil. Cults run the world, whether or not they are called cults or just groups of people engaging cult like behaviour. 

 

Religions have spilled blood all through history, repressed any other identity but theirs all through history. There are glimmering points of light within religions, acts we have taken as society that move us away from ingrained evil practice. There's people who live by this standard or that standard of good behaviour.

 

 Yet the world looks worse than ever if one considers the volumetrics of amount of humans and amount of suffering without even bothering to examine any other form of evil through wilfulness or ignorance or moral and economic despotism.

 

There's more starvation, murder and warfare than there ever was in history. There's more toil by the impoverished for the decadence of technologically superior nations than ever. There's more animals living lives of abject misery for a cheap unhealthy meal by an ungrateful small percentage than ever. There's more environmental degradation and ecological collapse than any other rate of mass extinction we think we know about.

 

Where is God? Where are the angels? The devil I'm sure is somewhere influencing everything and is the one who is laughing at the state of the world. The one who manufactures ignorance where enlightenment would grow of its own accord. The one strengthening the corruption in all our social systems and there surely are demons walking around in human form or floating around in pseudo human form. 

 

A good person can be found, as I said by this standard or that standard they are at the very least good. Evil people seem far more prevalent or noticeable if you will, if possibly less in volume than good people, though I truly believe most people are really just shitty examples of humanity.

 

 But truly evil people, demons in human form, they are killing and torturing and kidnapping and profiting off of suffering. To me that's far closer to demonic than a good person, even a great one, even the greatest person possible could be said to be angelic, because angels are supposed to make war on demons aren't they? Imbued with divine energy capable of the miraculous. How would a human let alone do any of that conquer evil besides killing an evil person or putting in jail for life an evil person, the bill for which our taxes collectively pay for?

 

So if we think in terms that examine our collective notions from every culture, there is a story of a war between God and the devil. It's told many ways in many places but the story or notion itself seems universal to the human condition and story of humanity.

 

 Is it possible that God lost this battle? Had sundered whatever form God required to be a singular being and became scattered across creation? This idea exists in many religions also though it's rarely attributed to the slaying of God by Satan, it's generally said to be one state of God who can exist however God decides, simultaneously everywhere. Doesn't that sound more like dying than eternally living?

 

Maybe what Satan intended was to gain the energy of God to take God's place but like Obi Wan Kenobi turning into nothing Satan was left like Vader stomping on God's robe and then in resentment went down from on high to slowly rot as a king of nothingness with nothing left to gain or seize?

 

To me this would explain a world where religions have defined themselves by violence or pride in their own doctrines, it's far easier to be evil than to stay good and one finds pathways to success in this world laid out for evil people. It would explain a struggle like chipping away at a mountain through history in order to see a world that is not oppressive on all sides all whilst the mountain is built up higher by the bones of greed exacting blood and life for its own largesse and comforts.

 

Some religions say this world is a test for us to earn an eternal reward or an eternal suffering. If suffering is all that awaits evil people and evil spiritual beings, why is the energy of evil so strong in the world? Surely the source of evil and it's machinations would be far too preoccupied with its own suffering to aid and abet all the ill doings of humanity.

 

 If eternal reward awaits the good, what point is there to a single life of struggling to attain it? It seems like swimming across an ocean of suffering to spend the rest of forever in a nice warm pool. You work hard in this place to forget about it completely. Makes more sense I suppose than working 60 years to retire for 10 to yourself with as much capability to enjoy it as the first 10 before work of some kind began to define everything, and who is the work for in the world I've described? Surely not for Gods plan if this is what it looks like?

 

Where did we go wrong? When did we ever go right? How do you believe in attainment of not being part of the test anymore and if the attainment is continuing with this place in the next life, why is it always getting much worse for the small improvements we fight and die to gain?

 

WHAT FUCKING SENSE IS THERE TO THIS CREATION?

 

IF LUCIFER OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE SLAYER OF GOD WAS INSANE TO KILL GOD AND SUCCEEDED, ISN'T AN INSANE WORLD WHAT WOULD BE CREATED?

 

Like any murderer tortured by remorse and driven further into insanity, so does the mocking voice of a God who seems more like an invoked memory worth doing any good deed in the name of seem to torture the very fabric of a world dominated by evil through all its history. What "living" God would allow that? What more but a "dead" one could inspire one such as lowly as I am to think this way and dedicate my life to the destruction of evil and dismantling of its systems, but not for the sheer spite of it? That's as close to the truth about me as I can fathom. I'm somewhat good by some standard, certainly not a living demon or wilfully evil, but I'm just as shitty an example of humanity as anyone at times and my strongest motivation is pure spite for the idea that the devil is behind all of it. I don't even care if that's true I'll continue to spite evil for that exact reason until I die. And I can't wait to find out what the fuck is actually wrong with creation.

 

Sincerely, some guy.

 

God is not dead, to find God, first we must look to the source of creation. Genesis 1.  

 

 

 

[Dei Eif]

49 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

God is not dead, to find God, first we must look to the source of creation. Genesis 1.  

 

 

 

I look to the source of myself and see my parents.
I look to the source of the first parents and I find several theories and teachings. Adam and Eve, I like the idea for many reasons I won't go into right now. Evolution, I don't like the idea for many reasons I wont go into right now.
Before that the source of life on earth,and the universe. Here there is arguably only 2 possibilities, Science and creationism. To say I am convinced by either one belies the notion that maybe one was the manner of the other. Maybe creation created itself, then God evolved within it and chose the manner by which the rest of creation transpired as the modern scientific conceptualization. This shows you how I like to think that I went into in my last reply. First I look to what I know because I observe it, then I look at everything I know about and find where the ideas can be presenting different parts of a unified truth that we break apart in order to serve the agenda of evil, that is limitation through divide and conquer.

A big bang then, the scattering of the one being that is death for the unified form of the undying. Was this a conscious choice? Was it a protection against the brand new concept of evil that sought to control everything by ensuring that it could not collect energy from the energy that is the energy of one being now become an infinite multitude? Was it unintended as a result of the action of a blow from the devil, a forced expansion through a ripping apart?
Who can know?
Perhaps the 7th day on which God rested was the 7th day in which warfare broke out and his resting was the death of his form? Even a plant that dies may give birth to a final seed that grows on to create a forest. Maybe the "Big Crunch" as science purports it that the universe will shrink back down to a singularity is God stitching Godself back together?
Maybe It won't take that long but God is still in recovery mode from whatever happened in this first war of creation? 6 billion years is considered a fraction of a second in terms of infinite time. Maybe the entire universe does not need to be re coalesced but only part of it for the being that is God to have a physical form and begin to actually right all the wrongs of the world.
Maybe this isn't his plan or purpose at all.

I will relate a dream I had whilst in jail, I've never had a dream remotely like this before:
I was being chased by demons until an angel chased them away and took me to a lighthouse on a shore. I was led up the stairs and motioned to continue to the top on my own and here was being of massive size working a light that was so bright it could not be looked upon directly even pointed in the other direction, A giant as we understand giants to be, He had muscles that were so pronounced it seemed like the energy inside him was threatening to burst. He had no discernible neck but instead a thick mass of muscle that seemed to connect his head into his shoulders directly. He had curly locks of long dark hair with a beard that matched. If I had to choose a culture of earth that he resembled I would say Sumerian. He wore a leather breastplate covered in shining jewels of many colors and had bands on his wrists that again seemed to indicate a holding together a much greater energy that was tightly coiled within him. He did not speak to me directly as I got the impression that to use his voice would cause a cataclysmic blast of force that would shatter my being but I did hear his voice inside my mind and he said "I am sorry".

Was this God? He was served by Angels, appeared to be in a physical a form he chose that suited a particular task of pointing a beacon into the world that was not a true representation of what he was comprised of within. I have been told by others after this experience that this is how God has been depicted by others that have seen Him in dreams and visions. So what happened to me? I don't know, it was profound and though not terrifying certainly fear inspiring to consider what such a being would be capable of. Humbling in the extreme and inspiring me me to find the strength to get through my sentence. My case was eventually thrown out by the way I wasn't convicted of anything.

So saying that I believe I met God would mean that I unequivocally know what the dream was and meant. I don't. I know I met a being that I would describe as Godlike and he gave me the impression that he wanted to help but was unable to do more than give me understanding empathy and strength. So what does this suggest to me? To me it suggests that God takes a singular form when he has to perform a singular task and this is like condensing an ocean into a cup. So could such a singular form be destroyed? The impression I tried to relate was that even using his voice at full volume may shatter any physical structure including the form he's containing himself within, let alone deciding to unleash every level of his being at full force.

So how does all of this fit into the conceptualization of my original post? I still believe God can be compelled and forced to do things which wreak utter destruction upon himself and his creation, and this leaves a space in creation for which only his singular being is suited. It doesn't mean that God cannot reform his being, but it also doesn't mean that any of these processes are without cost exacted upon creation as a whole.

 

But then maybe it was just a dream of my own psyche, maybe it was a giant of some divine order or an archangel?
Who can truly know the mind of God or the truth of what transpires beyond the senses of conscious awareness.

There is good and evil, that is as surely true as observing it. Why do beings choose evil? This question is the inspiration to finding the answer of all answers. What creation was intended for and what it has become.
 

-Some Guy.

Edited March 23 by Dei Eif

[Dei Eif]

Something that just occurred to me.

Why is it that you can find no end to accounts of people who have died and gone to Hell then come back again through revival surgery for example, or have gone to Hell in a dream or vision to use another example. We have the Divine Comedy also called Dante's Inferno and many other accounts of the Christian Hell or Hells of other religions and cultures.

How many stories do you know of people going to Heaven and back again? I literally can't think of any. Most who have a near death or actual death experience report seeing a tunnel of white light. How many detailed depictions of a place whomever had the experience was sure could only be Heaven have you heard related in any form? So far as I know, what's colloquially said of Heaven is that there are pearly gates, clouds and a Throne God sits upon. That seems pretty scant on the details compared to seven levels, cities and rivers, frozen ground and burning lakes. Not to mention all the inhabitants be they human souls or "other".

Isn't this odd? Is it that it's easier for us to say "That was Hellish" Than it is to say "That was Heavenly?"

There's concepts like the inner earth, the realm of Gods in eternal halls, clouds in space, space itself and a city of shining light.

It's perhaps more indicative of the road to Hell being easier to find than the path to Heaven, possibly something we can't experience until we truly die with no path back to our body as with a stopped heart for example.

If you have anything to add about the nature of Heaven, from any culture, please share it. Fire and ice is so easy to understand, both burn you. Is the inverse warmth and cool, as in clouds and sunlight?

I had once an outer body experience in a dream where I saw and felt myself floating in space above the earth and I experienced what space faring types have called "space euphoria" The feeling itself was heavenly but it was more like being in a ocean of living electrically charged plankton that suffused every nerve of my body with pure ecstasy like in a drug high without the reality distortions. Not really a highly functional space as I understand it. Pleasant, yes, a place to spend eternity? I doubt it.

[Mr H]

On 3/22/2023 at 9:13 AM, Dickwan said:

 

I've thought along similar lines before. It certainly seems we exist in a predominantly evil realm. 

 

Few things.

 

I think you need to be crystal clear what you refer to as God when asking the question why he doesn't intervene.

 

Also consider if you really wish to get rid of evil. Without evil you cannot experience good. Without darkness there's no light. Without ugliness there is no beauty in this world of polarities.

 

Also consider from a god view. If God is everything, then we are by association god's. Creating multiple simulations. God cannot die, so these deaths/suffering within the simulation may not be considered as important as the POV player is experiencing and may play a more important role than the POV player realises.

[Mr H]

Personally I think culture has created a human god in the hero like archetype, which doesn't reflect the reality of god. Therefore after being told many stories about this human created god, folks are disappointed