numnuts Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) There must be a lot that we aren't being told, about this case. For starters, not even a whiff of why they might have gone off-grid in the first place. They aren't supposed to have done anything wrong, before doing so, from what I can gather. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64794712 'Urgent search for baby as Constance Marten and Mark Gordon arrested.' Edited February 28 by numnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malbec Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, numnuts said: There must be a lot that we aren't being told, about this case. For starters, not even a whiff of why they might have gone off-grid in the first place. They aren't supposed to have done anything wrong, before doing so, from what I can gather. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64794712 'Urgent search for baby as Constance Marten and Mark Gordon arrested.' The way the story had read over the last few weeks is that she knew the authorities would have a problem with her shacking up with a convicted sex offender, and risk of the baby being removed, so they went off grid. The underlying message of the story has been, we will find you, you can run but not hide etc. And the constant references to cctv being trawled. Surprisingly most of the DM comments were in favour of the couple a few weeks ago, such as "they obviously don't want to be found, they're both adults leave them alone" etc. However, this missing baby element to the story has now annoyingly justified what seemed to be an irrational police response. Cue more prohibited guess-work from the public.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 (edited) 14 hours ago, Malbec said: The way the story had read over the last few weeks is that she knew the authorities would have a problem with her shacking up with a convicted sex offender, and risk of the baby being removed, so they went off grid. Her boyfriend was convicted of rape, when he was only 14, and served 20 years in prison. Who knows how it all transpired. However, just given the basic facts, I doubt there was any justification for her baby to be removed under normal circumstances. If we are talking abnormal circumstances, though, then I suspect that who she is played a part. As in, her wealthy background. One thing I have repeatedly read is that the couple only first came on the police radar, after their car caught fire. Sounds like bullshit to me. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that they were being monitored and, after their car broke down (or maybe they switched cars?), it was set alight by another party to usher in police involvement. Maybe her dad didn't like the idea of her boyfriend making it on to the family tree? Maybe her dad wanted to pressure her to get the baby adopted? Maybe she feared being unfairly harassed, after the baby was born? I suspect that they have temporarily put the baby under the care of a third party. I hope that it hasn't come to harm, but, if it has, then who is really to blame? It seems to me that the police are now using the threat of a manslaughter charge, so as to pressure them in to revealing the location of the baby and nothing more. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64804320 'Constance Marten and Mark Gordon arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11801845/The-54-day-hunt-runaway-couple-Constance-Marten-Mark-Gordon.html 'From a burnt out car on a motorway in Bolton, to a residential street in Brighton: The 54 day hunt for runaway couple Constance Marten and her rapist lover as they are finally arrested following tip off from member of the public.' 'Officers see that most of the belongings in the vehicle have been destroyed by the flames. But they discover Constance Marten's passport still relatively intact and establish she and her partner Mark Gordon were the occupants.' (Really?) 'Greater Manchester Police also find blood and placenta on the back seat and that the car was bought for cash in London just days earlier.' (Really?) Edited March 1 by numnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velma Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Seems like they want us to speculate endlessly on the whereabouts of the missing baby and for TikTokers to impede the search. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 14 minutes ago, Velma said: and for TikTokers to impede the search. Are we going to see TikToking dancing sleuths now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 (edited) 9 hours ago, numnuts said: 'Officers see that most of the belongings in the vehicle have been destroyed by the flames. But they discover Constance Marten's passport still relatively intact and establish she and her partner Mark Gordon were the occupants.' (Really?) Come to think of it, I seem to be experiencing some deja vu, when it comes to the authorities stumbling across passports that have survived serious fires and big explosions etc.. Edited March 1 by numnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useyournous Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Another weird story. I wonder (hope) the baby is safely hidden with someone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observations Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Listening to the commentary on several radio stations it's easy to hear this being whipped up. I also noticed one reporter after saying about the child; it's devastating. I thought thry weren't meant to use this sort of emotion, although it's common now. Seem to want to stir everyone up again, but that won't put food on people's table. Edited March 1 by Observations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malbec Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Useyournous said: Another weird story. I wonder (hope) the baby is safely hidden with someone. I was hoping this, they have just said baby's remains found :( in the press release 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 47 minutes ago, Malbec said: I was hoping this, they have just said baby's remains found :( in the press release I at least hope that the whole truth comes out, about how and why everything happened the way that it did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 It's another story that keeps popping up in the Birmingham Mail, so I suspect like the Nicola Bulley story there'll be an element of social engineering behind it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malbec Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 19 minutes ago, numnuts said: I at least hope that the whole truth comes out, about how and why everything happened the way that it did. Yeah, which annoyingly never seems to happen. So all these stories just tend to raise more questions than answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observations Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Police statement says ... "heartbroken" The baby is referred to as it. Is that correct, or is that a 2023 thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanityisgone Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Hiding the fact this probably happens on the regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observations Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 90 Square Mile area search 35 yr old and 48 yr old Stayed in Air b'n'b Liverpool ... Harwich Argos London ... Brighton The family Warned of the danger of freezing temperatures to her newborn ... As it got colder they felt the baby could have come to some harm What impact is this having on the community? A significant impact 100s of police officers from Sussex Police have asked people not go speculate although they know it has had a significant impact on the local community There is plans for a vigil later this evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saved Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, Observations said: 90 Square Mile area search 35 yr old and 48 yr old Stayed in Air b'n'b Liverpool ... Harwich Argos London ... Brighton The family Warned of the danger of freezing temperatures to her newborn ... As it got colder they felt the baby could have come to some harm What impact is this having on the community? A significant impact 100s of police officers from Sussex Police have asked people not go speculate although they know it has had a significant impact on the local community There is plans for a vigil later this evening Had the baby been chipped or biometrically tattooed, his or her life could have been saved in minutes. "Listen. 170,000 loved ones a year will never go missing again, if only this available tech was embraced against the wishes of ignorant - and quite frankly - dangerous conspiratorial types." Say that above paragraph in Tony Blair's voice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Police continue to quiz aristocrat Constance Marten and her lover Mark Gordon after finding body while hunting for the pair's missing baby: Officers tell of 'heartbreak' at discovery in woodland and 'extend heartfelt condolences to the wider family' Marten, 35, and Mark Gordon, 48, were arrested in Brighton on Monday night Hundreds of officers had been combing 'vast area of some 90 square miles' But the remains of a newborn were found in a woodland area yesterday By Jamie Phillips For Mailonline Published: 19:00 GMT, 1 March 2023 | Updated: 14:23 GMT, 2 March 2023 Police have found a body in the search for the missing baby of aristocrat Constance Marten and her lover Mark Gordon - as officers 'extend heartfelt condolences to the wider family'. The remains of a newborn were found in a woodland area close to where the couple were arrested in Brighton on Monday night. Police are today still questioning Marten and Gordon on suspicion of manslaughter. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11808831/Police-confirm-aristocrat-Constance-Martens-baby-died.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 (edited) On 3/1/2023 at 8:12 PM, Malbec said: Yeah, which annoyingly never seems to happen. So all these stories just tend to raise more questions than answers. This whole case stinks. Can anyone link to a MSM article, which at least hypothesises, as to why they were 'running away'? If this Mark Gordon character had done anything wrong, since being deported back to the U.K. some 15 years ago, then you can bet your bottom dollar that we would have heard about it by now. There can't possibly have been any justification to take away Marten's child, which would have been solely based on Gordon being convicted of rape when he was only 14 years old, some 35 years ago. This couple were probably being unfairly hunted in some way, which caused them to go on the run in the first place, and the baby is now dead. If they plead innocent, then we will at least get to hear their side of the story, in open court. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64830159 'Constance Marten and Mark Gordon charged with gross negligence manslaughter.' Edited March 3 by numnuts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allymisfit Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 3/1/2023 at 5:14 PM, Useyournous said: Another weird story. I wonder (hope) the baby is safely hidden with someone. Isn't it just! A couple on the run with a baby because the ex is a sex offender and her family didn't agree with it (this tells me they wanted their family together, so why would they kill the baby? That part I don't get.) It really makes no sense to me one bit. Seems like yet another confusing story and this time about an aristocrat and a sex offender with a very odd outcome! I can only hope it isn't a real story and no children were harmed. Although if any were, I'd be suspicious that it was for a specific sick reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malbec Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) There has been stories on DM in recent days about sex offenders going missing and being wanted in the last couple of years. So any sex offender has some kind of police offender manager who checks their addresses and devices, and bank accounts, and if rhey don't comply they can go back to court for breach of notification requirements. It's hard to work out what his requirements would have been, since the offence was so old, committed as a youth in another country. You wouldn't expect him to be on licence still after that long, but may have been Subject to registration requirements. Unless he was wanted for something else which we don't know. So the sex offender living off grid, combined with stories of other sex offenders going missing, will probably result in Jeremy vine et al asking the viewers "how can we better track criminals so that they don't disappear off grid". That must be the slant they are using with this story. It's really sad aboit the baby allegedly dying whatever the cause, but unfortunately it supports the public outcry and demands for better tracking which are likely to ensue as a result. Edited March 3 by Malbec 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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