xpwales Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock talk about the mystery of consciousness in this video... Edited February 23 by xpwales 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpwales Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Ken Wheeler's writing on "Mind v Consciousness in Original Buddhism"... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DQl3D8ChW7610C4RKjlckJwNJm8hvHFx/view (PDF) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 20 hours ago, xpwales said: Some Interesting References: https://archive.org/details/the-universal-one-1926-walter-russell Ken Wheeler's book on water ("The Antenna to Consciousness") https://drive.google.com/file/d/1plnTHFFXuc3zSvLGfpK-b-FeToEFbeRK/view Ken Wheeler's book on Magnetism (Aether) Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism (pdf). He says similar things to Viktor Schauberger Living Water. The fact water is a polar molecule is incredibly important in understanding what an antenna is, much like our DNA is a fractal antenna, water is indeed also an antenna. Magnetism can affect both DNA and water, we are mostly water. Teslas favourite discovery rotating magnetic fields ;) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpwales Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, TheConsultant said: He says similar things to Viktor Schauberger Living Water. The fact water is a polar molecule is incredibly important in understanding what an antenna is, much like our DNA is a fractal antenna, water is indeed also an antenna. Magnetism can affect both DNA and water, we are mostly water. Teslas favourite discovery rotating magnetic fields ;) It's fascinating how many references are made to the water molecule. It also has the unique property of expansion when cold and contraction when hot. I'm convinced that it is the "key" to consciousness/life. According to Conor Macdari and others, it was the ancient Irish who built the Great Pyramid, they held the knowledge of the Universe and had the technical ability to build such a structure. Quote: "That this Great Pyramid was designed to represent the spirit in the purified or regenerated man can clearly be understood from its special and peculiar construction and the disguised and camouflaged names of "Cheops" and" Gizeh," or "Jeezeh," which have been given to it, with the idea that under these deceptive names the truth regarding it would never be suspected. In order to effect this deception they invented the word Cheops as a name for The Great Pyramid, by taking the Irish word Spoehc, or spirit, which The Great Pyramid of Iesa represents, and writing the word backwards. By this reversed form of spelling they got the word "Cheops," one of the names by which it has been designated in "history." https://archive.org/details/irishwisdomconormacdari For me it's no coincidence that the water molecule is/can be symbolised upon the following ancient Irish broach... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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webtrekker Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 45 minutes ago, xpwales said: According to Conor Macdari and others, it was the ancient Irish who built the Great Pyramid, I can just imagine that ... Two Irish builders were working on laying floorboards in the Great Pyramid. Paddy picked up a nail, realized it was upside down & threw it away. He carried on doing this until Murphy said “Why are you throwing those nails away?” “Because they’re upside down!” Paddy replied. “You idiot,” replied Murphy “You should save them for the ceiling!!” [With apologies to our Irish friends]. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpwales Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, webtrekker said: I can just imagine that ... Two Irish builders were working on laying floorboards in the Great Pyramid. Paddy picked up a nail, realized it was upside down & threw it away. He carried on doing this until Murphy said “Why are you throwing those nails away?” “Because they’re upside down!” Paddy replied. “You idiot,” replied Murphy “You should save them for the ceiling!!” [With apologies to our Irish friends]. :-) I'm sure the people who inhabited Ireland and Britain in ancient times were quite different from those of today... https://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/ https://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 Not sure how we got here from the question, what is a soul? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 56 minutes ago, Mr H said: Not sure how we got here from the question, what is a soul? It is a kind of higher dimensional processing entity. In simple terms it reflects reality itself in itself. Everything that is not correctly counter-reflected can't be compiled into more complex data. There seem to be no limits. And this entity is not based on emotions or duality. And it will be more interested in the true appearance and nature of reality. It can distinguish between fake and the real thing. And it knows that it has no limitations when it is located within true reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 15 hours ago, xpwales said: It's fascinating how many references are made to the water molecule. It also has the unique property of expansion when cold and contraction when hot. I'm convinced that it is the "key" to consciousness/life. According to Conor Macdari and others, it was the ancient Irish who built the Great Pyramid, they held the knowledge of the Universe and had the technical ability to build such a structure. Quote: "That this Great Pyramid was designed to represent the spirit in the purified or regenerated man can clearly be understood from its special and peculiar construction and the disguised and camouflaged names of "Cheops" and" Gizeh," or "Jeezeh," which have been given to it, with the idea that under these deceptive names the truth regarding it would never be suspected. In order to effect this deception they invented the word Cheops as a name for The Great Pyramid, by taking the Irish word Spoehc, or spirit, which The Great Pyramid of Iesa represents, and writing the word backwards. By this reversed form of spelling they got the word "Cheops," one of the names by which it has been designated in "history." https://archive.org/details/irishwisdomconormacdari For me it's no coincidence that the water molecule is/can be symbolised upon the following ancient Irish broach... Hey, that's also the freemason logo, square and compass. 108, 36, 36 also represented in magnetism. Its a circuit within the magnetic field that loops on itself repeatedly, represented by numbers. 3, 6, 9. 3 really is the magic number. Vortex mathematics dives in to the number representation of the toroidal flowing circuit, links to Tesla and rotating magnetic fields too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpwales Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 8 hours ago, TheConsultant said: Hey, that's also the freemason logo, square and compass. 108, 36, 36 also represented in magnetism. Its a circuit within the magnetic field that loops on itself repeatedly, represented by numbers. 3, 6, 9. 3 really is the magic number. Vortex mathematics dives in to the number representation of the toroidal flowing circuit, links to Tesla and rotating magnetic fields too! It's possible that the Freemason logo could be derived from these perfect harmonic angles. I believe the rotating torus is everywhere within this universe/realm, from nano scale to the cosmos, the space surrounding us would not exist without it. The "wheel within a wheel" or, "as above so below"... It baffles me why certain numbers reoccur within this realm/experience and appear to be at the foundation of nature. Numbers are really just a concept created by man to represent patterns/divisions; as everything is ultimately one (consciousness) being divided to create experience. Maybe certain patterns/principles are built-in/inherent to the one (consciousness) and get reflected out into this realm/experience; man himself being just a pattern/principle within the one. As Ken Wheeler says, "One and one, the principle and the attribute". It's all confusing but I'm sure mankind will figure it out eventually. The number (pattern) three can be seen within our own D.N.A.... Edited February 25 by xpwales 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/22/2023 at 8:12 PM, Mr H said: Well to be honest I don't know of any culture that is for paedophillia. But yes people can misappropriate all kinds of stuff I guess I've been thinking this over. Paedophilia is to some extent relative because the age of consent varies around the world, and it has changed through history. It is mostly in the range 14 to 18, and in some areas you have to be married too. So the universal moral value here would be to allow relations post 14 with layers of relativity on top. The acceptability of age gaps is another issue which is hard to pin down between absolute and relative morality. Playing devil's advocate for a moment, I recall reading that in ancient Israel 14 was a normal age for young girls (translated as virgin) to marry, so according to our values we can argue that the holy spirit was a paedophile when he (who was very old) fathered Jesus with Mary, a girl. A myth perhaps, but a controversial one as it's central to Christian theology. Edited February 25 by Campion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/22/2023 at 11:45 PM, Mr H said: This is the explanation to the question why does God allow evil in the world? not in the abrahamic conception of history because they believe that God did indeed impose a flood to wash out evil in the world. Apocryphal books say the flood was to rid the world of the nephilim who were the offspring of fallen angels. The rainbow that was then provided afterwards represented an ongoing covenant that God wouldn't again interfere in human affairs in such a catastrophic way. Christ too represented the logos to wash away the sins of believers. The idea being that those who dwelt in christ would lead a moral life. Other systems see the world more as a tug and pull between light and dark but even if you subscribe to that view then you have to take a position on which of those you are going to feed or whether reality needs opposing forces kept in equilibrium. For example does our unconscious animal soul need to be kept in equilibrium with our rational conscious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, Campion said: I've been thinking this over. Paedophilia is to some extent relative because the age of consent varies around the world, and it has changed through history. It is mostly in the range 14 to 18 do we know what age range it is mostly in? Surely pedos also prey on people under 14? Biologically speaking 14 onwards is moving into puberty which means that child rearing is technically possible and perhaps cultures in the past had different timeframes for that due to certain pressures such as shorter lifespans (many people may not have been making it as far as 50) or economic pressures where a family may have felt a need to marry off a daughter as they could not afford to feed her whereas a son may have been more productive on the farm. India for example has a dark past of infanticide where baby girls were killed because they were not seen as being able to contribute as much to the family and also because of the high cost of a dowry that would be needed to pay to marry off a daughter in an arranged marriage But are those situations moral? Its true that in modern western society we don't have set coming of age rituals for people to transition from childhood into adulthood like tribal societies do but perhaps apprenticeships used to serve that function in a way as young people worked around older people and learned not only the craft that would give them employment going forward but also how to conduct themself around adults and also in business? In a modern western society there can be consequences for having children at a young age just as there can be consequences for having children at a much older age. Arguably there is an optimal stage in life for that in terms of health, maturation, economy, opportunities, education etc Edited February 25 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Macnamara said: not in the abrahamic conception of history because they believe that God did indeed impose a flood to wash out evil in the world. Apocryphal books say the flood was to rid the world of the nephilim who were the offspring of fallen angels. The rainbow that was then provided afterwards represented an ongoing covenant that God wouldn't again interfere in human affairs in such a catastrophic way. Christ too represented the logos to wash away the sins of believers. The idea being that those who dwelt in christ would lead a moral life. Other systems see the world more as a tug and pull between light and dark but even if you subscribe to that view then you have to take a position on which of those you are going to feed or whether reality needs opposing forces kept in equilibrium. For example does our unconscious animal soul need to be kept in equilibrium with our rational conscious? Imo the abrahamic religions are stories. I don't think there is such a thing as animal soul. The human experience has programmes, one of them I guess we could call animal. I don't think this conflicts with rational thoughts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 52 minutes ago, Mr H said: Imo the abrahamic religions are stories. or are they psychic phenomena that reveal the nature of the soul? 52 minutes ago, Mr H said: I don't think there is such a thing as animal soul. well for you its the anima isn't it? It speaks to you in your dreams. 52 minutes ago, Mr H said: The human experience has programmes, one of them I guess we could call animal. I don't think this conflicts with rational thoughts though. you have your sympathetic nervous system which your conscious mind is not controlling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Macnamara said: or are they psychic phenomena that reveal the nature of the soul? well for you its the anima isn't it? It speaks to you in your dreams. you have your sympathetic nervous system which your conscious mind is not controlling 1. Without any evidence I would suggest not. 2. Not sure what that refers too. 3. Your conscious mind doesn't control anything. It doesn't choose what thoughts you have or what decision you make. That is an illusion. What you think is you controls nothing, the real you controls everything. If you think it does try and create a thought for 8pm the next evening about a whatever, football at precisely 8pm, see if that actually happens. Edited February 25 by Mr H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/19/2023 at 6:44 AM, Mr H said: So what is a soul? The soul is the living thing within people and could be seen as being made up by a number of things If a person identifies their ego as the totality of the soul then that's where problems can arise. Equally if we don't see spirit as an original thing that guides us but rather believe that it is created by us then there can be problems for example the loss of autonomous personality which then leads to materialism and totalitarian and collectivist mindsets and governments: For leftists, all traditional rules and protections must be sabotaged and all aberrant behaviors must eventually become accepted as normal. They believe that in this way society can be homogenized into a Utopian world of perfect equity. Discrimination of anything (except traditional principles) is considered by them to be taboo. Because if people are allowed to discriminate then that allows them to separate, and if people are allowed to separate, then collectivism of thought can never be achieved. The hive mind requires total conformity. -https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deconstruction-why-leftist-movements-cannot-coexist-people-value-freedom Edited February 25 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 13 minutes ago, Mr H said: 2. Not sure what that refers too. do you have dreams? do you see that global mythologies demonstrate the existence of a collective unconscious amongst humankind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: The soul is the living thing within people and could be seen as being made up by a number of things If a person identifies their ego as the soul then that's where problems can arise. Equally if we don't see spirit as an original thing that guides us but rather believe that it is created by us then there can be problems for example the loss of autonomous personality which then leads to materialism and totalitarian and collectivist mindsets and governments: For leftists, all traditional rules and protections must be sabotaged and all aberrant behaviors must eventually become accepted as normal. They believe that in this way society can be homogenized into a Utopian world of perfect equity. Discrimination of anything (except traditional principles) is considered by them to be taboo. Because if people are allowed to discriminate then that allows them to separate, and if people are allowed to separate, then collectivism of thought can never be achieved. The hive mind requires total conformity. -https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deconstruction-why-leftist-movements-cannot-coexist-people-value-freedom This doesn't seem to say what it exactly is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Just now, Macnamara said: do you have dreams? do you see that global mythologies demonstrate the existence of a collective unconscious amongst humankind? Yes there is a dream state. I don't see the link. And you would have to define what you mean by collective unconscious mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, Mr H said: This doesn't seem to say what it exactly is. The Self could be said to be a conglomerate soul made up of the personal unconscious, the collective unconscious and consciousness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Mr H said: I don't think there is such a thing as animal soul. in kabbalah that would be called the 'nephesh' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Mr H said: Yes there is a dream state. I don't see the link. And you would have to define what you mean by collective unconscious mind. if your personal unconscious is made up of complexes then the collective unconscious is made up of archetypes and that is what religion is working with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Macnamara said: The Self could be said to be a conglomerate soul made up of the personal unconscious, the collective unconscious and consciousness What do any of these terms actually mean and what evidence is there of their existence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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