Observations Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) Commons Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee session from Tuesday 24th January BBC Parliament Select Committee The sub committee is holding an evidence session on misinformation The words below are a few grabbed from the TV is real time, so there is a lot missing and it hasn't been tidied up. Yet. Heard a lot of interesting debate, comments and questions. It goes on for hours of course. ---- All quotes below, sorry it's too much, I'll share and tidy it later famous last words That's why the public trust scientists, because they don't get political ... not with a political argument. I'm going to tell you what I know, but not go any further Misinformation Could stop people taking the vaccines Disinformation editor, BBC I run the Disinformation which is slightly different from Fact Checking How do the public know they can trust fact checkers? They should believe what we say, I would suggest, because Everything we do is pillars of accuracy, we are transparent, people can ask questions and understand how we have done to the conclusions we have The public can fact check us theirselves, linked to all of the relevant sources Channel 4 is governed by OFCOM Will Moy, Chief Executive, Full Fact We are seeing a new breed of fact checker Lower quality Full fact have supported the emergence of the European ... We have 2500 people giving us money every month, funding ... FTSE ... individuals Full Fact was set up by a group of serious journalists You don't have to be untrustworthy 9/10 to be untrustworthy, you only have to be ... 1/10 MPs owe us the truth You are running a campaign The implication of what you're saying is Repeatedly misleading the house of commons Boris said at least 10 times employment was going ... MPs had a responsibility, that was your job, you failed to do it Not committed to honesty in public life That's an incredible statement Are you saying nobody challenged those figures Honesty is not being upheld in parliament The government has a majority You keep slipping in to it, a generalised Creating systems for honesty in public life We can't just leave it to 650 MPs Repeatedly misleading the house and not doing anything about it Failed to create the system Its easier to get a correction in a paper, than the house We do not see any urgency That may well be the case What you have done is attack the entire house and tar them al, with the same brush As if its all corrupt What are you seeking to achieve Adequately and effectively challenged We are suggesting minor changes The house of commons has to uphold I believe the vast majority of MPs to tell the truth You know they abuse the rules The government set the rules I object to the way that you going about it I do not want to be sitting here saying this I look at this in 30 years of seeing nothing happening People quote the original error I've heard the speaker ... Damien Green, Acting Chair DCMS Comittee The rules are not effective Can you tell me the difference between misinformation and disinformation So if they go to the pub and say my friend tells me the vaccine doesn't work ... that is misinformation ... If they ...? ?.. that is disinformation I'm thinking of climate change.?. A rational scientist who is discussing the facts, The BBC got that wrong. What is the scientific consensus? People purporting to be from a scientific community and presenting it as facts If people don't get information from us ... they will ... go down the rabbit hole of Social media algorithms ?.. Why don't people trust the BBC? The BBC acknowledges that they are not trusted in Scotland I would have to check that, I don't have the data Rebecca Skippage Disinformation Editor, BBC People are exhausted, pandemic.?. Climate .. it's very depressing People want angry news ... they go to GB News ... others want happy news People are attracted to things where they are given an explanation What do you think attracts people to misinformation I'm not sure that there is an inherent trait, that would make them fall for information Georgina Lee, Channel 4 It just takes practice In theory anyone can practice and develop skill Trump; Low level of trust because people would stop believing anything They just brassneck it out Do you think it's happening here It's a hugely corrosive area Kick up a lot of dust Put out lots of different stories Of the sort we saw during the pandemic People talk with envy about the BBC It's extraordinarily valuable People have a distorted view of the truth Take immigration The Express ... constant propaganda.?. That is disinformation as the journalists know it is false There is a problem with the press distorting ... but we've had that for years ... We should hold everybody in public debate to account The quality of data on immigration in this country was wildly wrong for years Journalism is a good thing You only have to be untrustworthy 1/10 for people not to trust you Don't tell people its true when it suppresses them Gm, MMR, a miserable time, generally tge journalists didn't trust tge scientists There was a mutual respects To get this fight The relationship is so much better They accept that they got MMR wrong Are they looking at credentials Fiona Fox Chief Executive, Science Media Centre Things like vaping, coming from the states, giving the public the wrong impression that vaping is as harmful as smoking, it isn't ... (Lost the thread) ... The good scientists that I respect didn't like that ... I think that's a good way for the public to access the science ... The highlight of my career was ... newsround ... if you can explain it to a 12 year old ... Do you encourage more critical thinking? We try and help people get the tools When you read another false claim somewhere else We're hoping to set people up to be able to ... Assumptions ... Evidence ... we provide training ... Schools Maybe the while of society can learn from scientists, debate, rather than shouting, reading, evidence, let's have this discussion... It's very black and white Creates more problems Do you think political language should change? I'm not suggesting there's a lovely world the other side of the rainbow, with unicorns Edited February 16 by Observations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observations Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 These people are so arrogant and yet so human. Bow to our teachers ... the new God perhaps 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Utter bollocks from start to finish, isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sit down, Waldo Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Someone posted in the Convid thread that 'fact checkers are the new gate keepers'...thought that was an astute assessment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastOneLeftInTheCounty Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 15 minutes ago, Sit down, Waldo said: Someone posted in the Convid thread that 'fact checkers are the new gate keepers'...thought that was an astute assessment. Yup. Ftse paying journalists? Who controls the funding, controls the facts (checkers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observations Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 48 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said: Yup. Ftse paying journalists? Who controls the funding, controls the facts (checkers). Will Moy the Chief Executive of Full Fact said ... We have 2500 people giving us money every month in funding ... from FTSE 100 companies to individuals ... I didn't catch it all. What a talker! If it wasn't for the 'fact' that he's with Full Fact, I might have even quite liked some of what he said, or at least wondered if he had good intentions when pointing out the dishonesty in parliament. Anyway, I generally find these sort of things worth listening to for a few minutes, 'you' usually always catch a nugget. Someone's got to listen to these people, as they are hoping to delete our version of reality. Phase out ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthblast Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Believe ze fäkts. Eat ze bugz. Unplug ze soschial midiyah. You will know nothing, and IGNORANCE shall be your bliss. I have a great haircut. Davos has better ski slopes than ze Middle East. Fact: Saddam had sexual relations with Julian Assange before he attacked New York. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastOneLeftInTheCounty Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 14 minutes ago, Observations said: Will Moy the Chief Executive of Full Fact said ... We have 2500 people giving us money every month in funding ... from FTSE 100 companies to individuals ... I didn't catch it all. What a talker! If it wasn't for the 'fact' that he's with Full Fact, I might have even quite liked some of what he said, or at least wondered if he had good intentions when pointing out the dishonesty in parliament. Anyway, I generally find these sort of things worth listening to for a few minutes, 'you' usually always catch a nugget. Someone's got to listen to these people, as they are hoping to delete our version of reality. Phase out ... Yes they are phasing out normalcy and forcing this strange twilight zone reality onto us , where companies shape laws around their products and businesses to make the highest profit margins which is stakeholder capitalism, or at least these fact checkers are paving the way for WEF stakeholder capitalism. It’s basically the start. They’re the information police, a corporate stasi. If the facts don’t match the companies business goals or negatively affect profits then they pay this lot to ‘normalise’ false narratives, keeping profit and power flowing their way. Soon if you’re not a far left, vegan, quintuple vaxxed, migrant transgender anti Christian with cancer and a mental health problem then they simply do not want to know you. You’re basically part of the problem, deemed an extremist and will be eradicated from history. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/16/2023 at 3:36 PM, Observations said: Disinformation editor, BBC I run the Disinformation which is slightly different from Fact Checking How do the public know they can trust fact checkers? They should believe what we say, I would suggest, because Everything we do is pillars of accuracy, we are transparent, people can ask questions and understand how we have done to the conclusions we have The public can fact check us theirselves, linked to all of the relevant sources It's quite laughable really. "You can trust us because we say so. Everybody else is lying." The "relevant sources" are usually just from other mainstream 'narrative enforcers'. And if the public try to 'fact check for themselves', of course Google and Wikipedia will also present the same 'relevant sources', while hiding any 'contrary' opinion. If there is one thing I have learned in the last few years it is that most things are 'inverted' (ie "diversity" is all about imposing a 'singularity', or 'hive mind', where everyone thinks/acts the same), but in some cases, like where the BBC has positions like "disinformation editor" or "specialist disinformation reporter", the truth is plainly obvious and staring you in the face. Yes, there is a lot of 'disinformation' and 'misinformation' out there, but the mainstream media narrative enforcers are just as guilty. I'm intelligent enough to use my own discernment and critical thinking ability in order to think for myself, thank you very much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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