Is MASS immigration problematic?

[Macnamara]

This thread is a place to explore the idea that MASS immigration might not be a natural and organic process but rather an orchestrated process being manufactured by bad actors with bad intentions towards certain populations; in effect a WEAPONISATION of migration in order to achieve nefarious goals...

Grooming Gangs: Britain's Shame

 

[Macnamara]

Four teenage asylum seekers who arrived in the UK unaccompanied on small boats last year are arrested in connection with alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl at a school in Kent

• One of the boys allegedly raped the girl while the other three acted as 'lookouts'
• All four boys are believed to be pupils at the same school as the victim
• The Afghan teenagers arrived in Britain unaccompanied on small boats last year  

By Daisy Graham-brown and Natasha Anderson

Published: 23:57 GMT, 12 February 2023 | Updated: 10:32 GMT, 13 February 2023

Four teenagers who arrived in the UK on small boats as asylum seekers have been arrested in connection with an alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl in Dover.

The attack took place at a school in Kent and involved Afghan boys who arrived unaccompanied last year.

Kent Police confirmed it was investigating the incident and said the four boys had been released on bail while inquiries continued.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11743265/Teenage-asylum-seekers-arrested-connection-alleged-rape-girl-15-school-Kent.html

[Macnamara]

where were the police during all of these crimes some might say?

Nearly 50 Police Scotland officers have resigned or retired from the force to avoid misconduct proceedings against them

• Figures reveal 47 Scottish police officers facing disciplinaries quit since 2019
• Scottish law allows hearings to be dropped if officers resign, unlike England 

By Stewart Carr

Published: 11:56 GMT, 14 February 2023 | Updated: 12:29 GMT, 14 February 2023

Forty-seven police officers in Scotland facing misconduct allegations have resigned or retired since 2019 before their hearings could be concluded, it has been revealed.

Unlike forces in England and Wales, officers working for Police Scotland who are facing disciplinary proceedings can close the cases against them by quitting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11748861/Nearly-50-Police-Scotland-quit-misconduct-proceedings-against-completed.html

[Macnamara]

The bloody death of a liberal dream: After throwing open its borders to 2million migrants, DAVID JONES investigates how Sweden has been left with an underclass of alienated teenagers, a murderous gang culture and gun crime that's spiralling out of control

• 200 mourners attended a Muslim cemetery to bury a teenage Afghan boy
• The 15-year-old was killed allegedly by a gangster of the same age in Sweden
• Since Christmas, Stockholm faced 30 shootings and bombings, four were fatal

By David Jones

Published: 01:01 GMT, 11 February 2023 | Updated: 09:45 GMT, 11 February 2023

On a bitingly cold morning in Stockholm, two days ago, I stood among 200 mourners in a Muslim cemetery, set in a magnificent pine forest.

They had come to bury a 15-year-old Afghan boy who had been shot dead, allegedly by a gangster of the same age.

Yet as his coffin was lowered into the frozen ground, it seemed to me that we were also witnessing the death of Sweden’s great multi-cultural dream.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11738375/DAVID-JONES-investigates-bloody-death-Swedens-liberal-dream.html

[Jason57]

Funny how none of these stories are ever on the news, or if they are it's very brief.

[Macnamara]

13 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Funny how none of these stories are ever on the news, or if they are it's very brief.

 

well you can see how they have framed the issue with that headline above where they claim that moving 2 million muslims into christian sweden where the new arrivals would then form 20% of the population was part of a 'liberal dream' as if the people doing it believed in their heart of hearts that the process would create some sort of earthly paradise

 

I sincerely doubt that was what they really thought. I think the masterminds behind this knew EXACTLY what was going to happen and what they were inflicting on the swedish people

[Jason57]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

well you can see how they have framed the issue with that headline above where they claim that moving 2 million muslims into christian sweden where the new arrivals would then form 20% of the population was part of a 'liberal dream' as if the people doing it believed in their heart of hearts that the process would create some sort of earthly paradise

 

I sincerely doubt that was what they really thought. I think the masterminds behind this knew EXACTLY what was going to happen and what they were inflicting on the swedish people

100% They knew what they were doing. Just wait until the talk of Sharea Law coming into play in UK comes up. The lgbt might find themselves being less tolerant of Islam than they claim to be these days.

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Jason57 said:

100% They knew what they were doing. Just wait until the talk of Sharea Law coming into play in UK comes up. The lgbt might find themselves being less tolerant of Islam than they claim to be these days.

 

they have their own courts:

Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

By Steve Doughty for the Daily Mail
Updated: 10:25 GMT, 29 June 2009

At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.

The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.

 

The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

[Macnamara]

migrants brawling in melbourne australia:

 

[Macnamara]

Did immigration crisis lead to violence in Leicester? | Nigel Farage discusses

 

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

they have their own courts:

 

The Beth Din, which are Jewish courts, also operate in the UK. Line here to a 2018 Independent article.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-jewish-orthodox-councils-institutionalising-marital-captivity-and-upholding-discriminatory-religious-laws-a6803256.html

[Jason57]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

they have their own courts:

Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

By Steve Doughty for the Daily Mail
Updated: 10:25 GMT, 29 June 2009

At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.

The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.

 

The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

This is worrying times indeed. I believe all religions should be a personal choice, and kept seperate from politics.

 

One of the worst things humanity has been taught is to label ourselves. It' such an easy way to divide and rule.

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

This is worrying times indeed. I believe all religions should be a personal choice, and kept seperate from politics.

 

One of the worst things humanity has been taught is to label ourselves. It' such an easy way to divide and rule.

 

this is one of the obvious reasons why 'multiculturalism' was going to be problematic: if you rapidly throw together MILLIONS of people who all have different values and outlooks they are not all suddenly going to sit down together and sing kumbaya

 

the people behind this KNEW THAT FROM THE START. They had criminal intent to cause harm to this nation and its people and that is TREASON

[Jason57]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

this is one of the obvious reasons why 'multiculturalism' was going to be problematic: if you rapidly throw together MILLIONS of people who all have different values and outlooks they are not all suddenly going to sit down together and sing kumbaya

 

the people behind this KNEW THAT FROM THE START. They had criminal intent to cause harm to this nation and its people and that is TREASON

Indeed it is treason, but unfortunately the woke left love the smell of their own farts and will never understand this.

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

 the woke left

 

the woke left are just a psyop

 

the conspiracy is very old but wokeism is just a blip on the face of history. They created wokeism in the same way they manufactured MASS immigration to WEAPONISE these things against the nation and its people

 

the woke left is just one of the masks on the face of the cabal

[Jason57]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

the woke left are just a psyop

 

the conspiracy is very old but wokeism is just a blip on the face of history. They created wokeism in the same way they manufactured MASS immigration to WEAPONISE these things against the nation and its people

 

the woke left is just one of the masks on the face of the cabal

Yup, and those woke folk can't see their being played like a violin.

[Campion]

On 2/14/2023 at 8:04 PM, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

The Beth Din, which are Jewish courts, also operate in the UK. Line here to a 2018 Independent article. 

 

And don't the Christian churches also have their own Canon law courts operating independently of the secular state? Which makes it harder to deny the same rights to other religions. 

 

Personally I find the whole idea of religious law incomprehensible. It's membership rules for a private club, no more. 

Edited February 19 by Campion

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

14 hours ago, Campion said:

 

And don't the Christian churches also have their own Canon law courts operating independently of the secular state? Which makes it harder to deny the same rights to other religions. 

 

Personally I find the whole idea of religious law incomprehensible. It's membership rules for a private club, no more. 

The Anglican church's ecclesiastical court is limited in what it can adjudicate. Normally, it handles cases involving church property and, should the need arise, the discipline of the clergy. The RC courts are more complex and have jurisdiction over many more areas. If memory serves, I believe RC ecclesiastical courts are based on the old Roman law and not the common law (assuming the court was convened in a common law jurisdiction). Now I'm going from memory as I learned all this some 50 years ago so I expect some changes have been made but not, I think, to the basic concepts.

 

Now in an Anglican court, a civil barrister can make an appearance. Not sure about the RC. As for the Islamic and Jewish courts, they have wider jurisdiction than their Anglican and RC counterparts but I believe that arguments are made and judgments rendered by religious scholars.

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

YES, of course it is problematic.

 

What bothers me the most is those that 'defend' it are those that come out with lame excuses such as "but they bring us wonderful food recipes"

[Campion]

26 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

YES, of course it is problematic.

 

What bothers me the most is those that 'defend' it are those that come out with lame excuses such as "but they bring us wonderful food recipes"

 

I'll say the answer to whether it's problematic depends on who you ask. I want to look at who who finds mass immigration (MI) problematic, and who finds it beneficial. 

 

For the vast majority of ordinary people in the west, MI has not only diluted their culture but completely distorted it because we're now expected to change our thinking to accommodate multiculturalism and to subordinate our culture to commercial considerations. Anyone not conforming to wherever the politically correct goalposts have moved to this year, is labelled with some newly invented term of abuse like racist, white supremacist, or transphobe in an attempt to socially ostracise them and isolate them further from their cultural roots and ethnic community.

 

Even from a conventional non-conspiratorial pov, motivation for supporting MI can be seen among already powerful groups including: corporate businesses and oligarchs who want a compliant, plentiful and disunited workforce; mainstream political parties who want to prioritise commercial and economic growth above cultural preservation; globalist minded intellectuals who run the mass media and advertising industries; already existing minorities who want to increase their share of power. Add in an elite conspiracy acting as puppet master and there's a very toxic mixture which is not intended to benefit the ordinary people. 

[Macnamara]

16 hours ago, Campion said:

Personally I find the whole idea of religious law incomprehensible. It's membership rules for a private club, no more. 

 

well the thing about 'democracy' is that it is rule by the majority which means that 51% of the population can impose things on the other 49%

 

So in a country that considers itself a 'democracy' politics is a numbers game. This means that demographics have a political dimension

 

If you have different interest groups.....lets say for example muslims and lets say that interest group has a particular vision for society for example to impose sharia law on the country then they would then see political power as a numbers game

 

Equally if you are a native population and you don't want incoming interest groups to impose their value systems, culture, beliefs and the legislation that can enshrine those things on you then naturally you are going to want to limit the influx of those interest groups to ensure the ongoing harmony and survival of your own culture, values, beliefs etc

 

I don't think that's 'bigotry' because i think everyone around the world feels the same way so i'd simply call it 'being human'

 

Now if you are a bad actor who wants to sabotage a society and screw over its native population then your goal would be to flood as many different interest groups into the target country as possible to create as much disharmony and political competition as you can. This malevolent approach uses mass immigration as a weapon to cause harm to a target population and nation

Edited February 19 by Macnamara

[Velma]

Humza Yousaf a Pakistani Muslim from the Punjab is standing for election as Leader of the SNP and First Minister. Scottish Labour already has a Muslim of Pakistani origin as Party Leader, Anas Sarwar. An Indian Muslim, Sadiq Khan is currently London Mayor and Rishi Sunak, a Punjabi Hindu, runs the country, as Prime Minister. They are all first-generation immigrants, as their families came from their native country, some via Kenya.

 

There is a pattern forming here. They can have no allegiance to the United Kingdom or its various cultures and rich history; indeed, they may even bear a grudge over the rule of the British East India Company, which began in 1757 and functioned as a sovereign power on behalf of the Crown, later the British Raj, which only ended in 1947. Their sympathies can hardy lie with the Scots, Irish, English or Welsh. Our struggles were not theirs.

 

Neither is their religion indigenous to this nation. Christendom fought against Islam during the crusades and we are ‘infidels’ to the people who now run our political affairs. It’s almost as if it’s intended to provoke resentment and hostility. Of course, opposition to ‘foreign’ leadership will not be tolerated in a ‘multicultural’ society, such sentiments are outlawed as “hate crimes.” We must embrace every nationality, except our own.

[Macnamara]

Irish people were 'dreaming' of MASS immigration were they? They were sitting around day dreaming thinking: 'do you known what ireland is missing? Do you know what ireland needs to make it better? MASS immigration: that's the panacea we've been looking for'

 

I don't think it was their dream. I think it was the dream of the same sabbatean sheisters who are behind the covid jabs

How Ireland's mass immigration dream has turned sour: GUY ADAMS reveals how the Emerald Isle's open-door policy for refugees is hammering its tourist industry and sparking protests in communities bearing the brunt

• Irish government has decided that a 18th-century landmark will house refugees
• Families who had arranged parties in their function rooms were given the boot

By Guy Adams for the Daily Mail

Published: 22:04 GMT, 17 February 2023 | Updated: 02:05 GMT, 18 February 2023

On the Blackwater River in deepest County Waterford lies the town of Lismore, famed for its 17th-century cathedral, 800-year-old castle and bustling weekly market, where farmers sell some of Ireland's most sought-after potatoes.

With a population of just 1,350, its quiet charm draws free-spending visitors during the tourist season, filling tearooms and pubs and propping up the economy in the process.

Yet this summer, any visitors to Lismore will face a problem — there will be nowhere to stay. The town's only hostelry, the Lismore House Hotel, has just announced that its imminent planned re-opening, following a big post-Covid renovation, has been cancelled.

Instead, the Irish government has decided that this 18th-century landmark, reputedly the oldest surviving purpose-built hotel in Ireland, will henceforth start a new life as a 'direct provision centre' housing refugees and asylum seekers. No fewer than 120 will be billeted there until further notice.

News of the plan has stunned the town, whose population will grow by almost 10 per cent. Locals were kept in the dark until the last weekend of January, just 72 hours before the new residents began to arrive on buses from Dublin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11764867/GUY-ADAMS-reveals-Emerald-Isles-open-door-policy-refugees-hammering-tourist-industry.html

[Macnamara]

16 minutes ago, Velma said:

 Of course, opposition to ‘foreign’ leadership will not be tolerated in a ‘multicultural’ society, such sentiments are outlawed as “hate crimes.” We must embrace every nationality, except our own.

 

i was watching a segment with jay dyer and alex jones recently and jay said an interesting phrase. He said that anyone expressing opinions that were deemed 'politically incorrect' were then treated as having committed 'crimes against the collective'

 

It's a good phrase so i'm gonna borrow it and thought i'd better credit dyer before taking it out for a spin!

 

So yeah....the masterminds behind this (who i don't believe are asian or black or muslim) effectively use all this wokery to build a 'coalition of the willing' in the same way that they do with their geo-politics. For example when they wanted to go in and steal iraq's oil and prevent saddam from trading in other currencies they pressured vassal states into joining what they called their 'coalition of the willing' which then makes it look as if they are the majority and therefore have right on their side. Its like a playground bully getting a bunch of people to stand behind them whilst they taunt and then attack an isolated victim so that they look as if they have popular opinion on their side (not that popular opinion equates to morality!)

 

They are doing the same with the ukraine situation where they are creating a gang of nations to turn against russia; they then claim the fake moral high ground by saying that their large gang represents the 'free world'!

 

They are using this same ploy against white people and even amongst white people they use it to further fracture white people for example by creating 'oppressed' categories amongst white people that they can then turn against the bulk of white people eg marxist feminism and LGBTQ

 

This is to create a coalition of the wiling that they then turn on the object of their hate: white men

 

of course they don't care about any of those useful idots that they manipulate into that scheme and they intend to enslave and depopulate them too but the biggest barrier to their schemes is white men so they are the ones deemed as having committed 'crimes against the collective' simply by existing

Edited February 19 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

41 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

So yeah....the masterminds behind this (who i don't believe are asian or black or muslim) effectively use all this wokery to build a 'coalition of the willing' in the same way that they do with their geo-politics.

 

They are using this same ploy against white people and even amongst white people they use it to further fracture white people for example by creating 'oppressed' categories amongst white people that they can then turn against the bulk of white people eg marxist feminism and LGBTQ. This is to create a coalition of the wiling that they then turn on the object of their hate: white men

 

here's someone who has joined the coalition of the willing against white men hoping that she will have some sort of future in the world beyond the existence of white men (she won't, she will be jabbed into oblivion and/or enslaved by the technocratic elite). In her poisoned worldview white men have an original sin that makes them guilty of a crime against the collective. Is she happy in her life though or is she a bitter individual poisoned by her hatred?

Pro-BLM teacher forced out of South Carolina school for claiming it was 'white supremacy' to call theft a crime is now accused of concealing student's gender issues from parents at new Maryland school

• Once an eighth-grade history teacher at the school in small-town Hilton Head, non binary instructor Lane Cogdill was moved schools two summers ago
• Amid the backlash, the teach was transferred to a nearby adult education center in Beaufort amid calls for Codgill's firing
• Now, it appears Codgill - who uses 'ze/zir,' 'they/them' and 'he/him' pronouns - is back to teaching kids and posting problematic snippets

By Alex Hammer For Dailymail.Com

Published: 18:41 GMT, 19 February 2023 | Updated: 19:43 GMT, 19 February 2023

Staffers at Silver Spring International Middle School - whose website lists Codgill as a staffer - this week reportedly said they are 'looking into' their new employee's checkered past.

'Hey y'all, I have some thoughts about what's going on in the world as a history teacher who cares about racial justice,' Cogdill says in the since-deleted clip that got her moved from Hilton Head Island Middle School back in June of 2020, when protests broke out across the US over the police brutality death of George Floyd. 

The teacher continues: 'I keep hearing people say, I understand protesting, but I don't understand rioting and looting, and let me just remind y'all that this country was literally built by black people.

'Black people's bodies were literally the currency that our white founding fathers used to fund the revolution,' Cogdill says, before declaring: 'So as far as I'm concerned, as a white person and as a history teacher, if your ancestors built this country, you have the right to burn the motherf***er to the ground.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11769107/A-pro-BLM-teacher-Maryland-claims-white-supremacy-call-theft-crime.html

Edited February 19 by Macnamara