David Icke & Dolores Cannon compared

[indigo solo]

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David Icke & Dolores Cannon compared

 

Icke speaks about the reincarnation trap, meanwhile Cannon speaks about reincarnation as a school. Such an abysmal difference!

The authors I have read at most are David Icke and Dolores Cannon. Other similar writers have not so many books. Anyway, there are some others who have encompassed same topics, frequently being agree and rarely with contradictions. The first time I herd something about the reincarnation trap was in the work of Robert Morning Sky. He even recommends that when you die, don’t go to the light but search for your own way. Unfortunately I’ve never found again such content in the web, which is a clear clue such information is truth. Barbara Marciniak —or pleiadians, trough her— speaks as well about such trap, in a single sentence, referring to it as a “low astral trap” [for souls] in the after life, in chapter dedicated entirely to death in the book Earth, Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library.
Coincidentally, I read almost all Dolores Cannon books in 2022 after reading almost all Icke’s books in 2021. I ended in shock. And I am amazed about Icke had never mentioned Cannon, who was a little bit earlier published author, specially because the, some obvious, other apparent—differences between them. Here, I will establish the contrast among the authors. If you haven’t read one of them or none, I strongly suggest go and read them, even if it takes a couple of years. This has to do with your freedom, nothing the less, and not only here in the physical world but in the other side (the real one).

Cannon wrote more than a dozen of books composed of transcriptions of Quantum Healing Hypnosis Therapy sessions, conducted by her, in which progressively, bigger and bigger revelations were made to her via her subjects. Initially, she made regressions to past life times to average people, which wasn’t too interesting for publishers. Soon, she became involved in UFO research, after her subjects started telling their accounts about abductions. And finally, Cannon was involved not only in other three dimensional worlds but in other dimensions and unprecedented explanations about the nature of the universe given by never connected before sorts of entities via her subjects. By then she was world famous. By the way, she was taught about the aliens incarnated in humans who live today between us, and are here to make a work that not even themselves understand. They are known by the new-age people like starseeds, light-workers, indigos, crystals and other names. Read Keepers of the Garden. Cannon's work is almost the origin of the New Age movement. As if such thing was not enough, she wrote other volumes about her purported contact with Nostradamus and members of a secret society who lived together with Jesus Christ. A lot of info, isn’t? Right.

Icke, have written more than two dozens of books in about 30 years. He was (or is) kind of contacted by other dimensions entities who taught them about the Infinite awareness, that is aware of itself, and this would be all that exist. Everything else would be mere illusion. Icke is considered the most extreme conspiracy theorist in the world, so extreme —they say— even criticized by other conspiracy authors. Nevertheless, Icke has shown to be so damned right in his predictions, that has slowly in 30 years passed from ridicule and being object of bullying, to be followed and respected by each time more people around the entire globe. By the way, himself says–his aren’t predictions, but goals of a global cult that he was put in knowledge, and full of evidence. For those who aren’t aware, they look like ‘predictions’. Recently, Icke was declared a terrorist. Pretty convenient, eh? Anyone who is aware, understands that is because he is telling the f*cking truth.
Icke has a lot of prosecutors. For instance, he has been said to be a shill because he doesn’t speak about the flat earth or because he is not a Trump follower.
 

Right, we have two of the most prolific authors about of these topics in the end of the last century and starting of the present one. Cannon passed away in 2014. They both speak about the real nature of the universe, that doesn’t exist such thing as time, and why our world is the way it is. And the main difference between them is: Icke speaks about the reincarnation trap, meanwhile Cannon speaks about reincarnation as a school. Such an abysmal difference!
Even for those who haven’t read none of them, ETs known as the grays, are conceived as something malevolent. They practice abductions, put implants in abductees, move in dimensions apart of ours, apart even of time and erase our memory. Dolores Cannon books confirm all of that, except for the malevolent intentions. Entities speaking via Cannon’s QHHT subjects, explain in detailed way, why they do those things for our own good. That procedures are made under unconscious state of abductees to protect them from an unnecessary trauma, and in general terms, that by scaring us, they would defeat the very first purpose of helping us. Helping us, how? By rewiring our brain and modifying our DNA. Upgrading it from two to twelve strands (some accounts say 6). I’ve just summarized at least 6 Cannon’s books in a couple of sentences.
The entities confirm the massive abduction prophecy in the end of the era, known by religious people by The Rapture. It would have place when polar shift occurs or nuclear war explodes. What becomes at first.
When I was reading, I detected some facts that disturbed me. That’s something have happened to me from my very childhood, just it was once as an adult, I learnt to pay attention to it. It was my heart, telling me ¡That’s a lie! Right. This have happened to me with some other information, proceeding from entities. For instance, in books about the law of attraction, Esther Hicks report entities telling we [humans] have not here the live we would like because we aren’t vibrating in the right frequency. I couldn’t stay reading that book. My feeling could be translated like this: Why would somebody want to have an ideal life in this world? Why would entities want to teach us how to stay here instead of teaching us how to leave? Every week I find more and more reasons to think, having a successful life in this earth is a reason to acquire a debt, what means karma, and stay in it forever. Something similar to what banking system does with you. Become your owner for your entire life, by using tricks and deceptions.  
Coming back to Cannon: Entities, in general terms, look like psychopaths. I mean, they lack of empathy, harshly question the fact of having feelings, are obsessed with the goal of the incarnation of the subject, involving always a lot of suffering («Allow the pain to become your master» is a "spiritual" principle I buy anymore), and they question the reason of having feelings. The entities that speak from other worlds, are in charge of an apparent eternal job, and they say they enjoy it a lot. That sound to me like WEF NWO. Schwab speaking, almost. And, they speak a lot about the structure and responsibility of each statement. What means, hierarchy. And, a topic not even Icke has ever mentioned: Suicide. Cannon had a number of patients who had suicidal profiles, because their lives were very unpleasant. But their subconscious told the reasons and that, put rest in the patients life, is alleged. 0k. So, if I am suffering in life to the point in consider suicide, someone tell me a good reason for it —frequently “it is to learn” or “you caused it your self”— and pain leaves? I don’t buy that. By the way, suicidal people are, according to entities in Cannon’s books, not tolerated in the other dimension hierarchy. So “stay there [in this world] eating shit and don’t try to escape!”. That’s not the eternal love I would expect from God, or from The Source. Really, it sounds to me like a deceive (the banking comparison I made lines above). And, it makes my heart rejects the idea.
Some other authors speak about demons channeled by gifted people.
Other frequent bias present along Cannon’s books, is the argument of entities, claiming the truth is too much for the tiny human mind and intelligence. Also, higher authorities than channeled  entities frequently forbid answers to Dolores Cannon questions. And is repeated constantly along the books, the idea of a nonexistence good and evil. But that we perceive as evil, would be the cost of free will. This would support the vision of other worlds in which there’s no evil but doesn’t exist free will, so destiny is imposed, and thus, there must be a hierarchy.
In all her books, Cannon never mentioned psychopaths. I wonder the reason. Psychopaths are essential part in the explanation of why our world is the way It is. In the other hand, Cannon had subjects who confirmed this world is a dream (a simulation) and that there are reptiles in control running plans to enslave us at all, which includes the impositions of vaccines that we don’t need. This last was told by a reptilian entity, who pointed out that no all reptilians are like those. Icke enforces this statement. Reptilians that are obsessed with total control and power, are simply not evolved spirits.
Other of Cannon subjects tells what I had read first in Marciniak’s Earth, Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library, and later in Icke’s Perception Deception: The moon is an alien made (or influenced) station to control our psyche. Nevertheless,  Other Cannon’s subjects try to confirm our mainstream science theory about the origin of the moon: It would be the debris of an impact. Cannon records this in a chapter dedicated to contradictions in the second volume of Convoluted Universe.
The David Icke’s book that is more similar to Cannon’s work, is This is me, I am free. In it, Icke tells how this matrix is a bad copy of an original part of the  universe, ran by a force known as Lucifer (in other works, Icke calls it the Demiurge). From this perspective, I can’t join the ideas of an existing original earth with the concept of a new earth. Is the breaking point in which I don’t know what to think.
For Cannon, karma is the main currency in the spiritual realm. For Icke, karma is part of the matrix code, to recycle humans for eternity. Anyway, not even Icke looks to have clear what karma should come from. In This is me, I am free, Icke speaks about it as a natural reaction in universe, and sometimes uses the concept in his web to point some violent actions registered in the world. Paradoxically, in other books like Everything you Wanted to Know but Were Never Told, he depicts karma as just another code of the matrix software we must by pass.
Karma is one of the concepts I have ever had problems with. It sounds too hard and heartless. Something coming not from God but from something want to keep us vibrating low, very low. «Accept the pain as your master». Pretty convenient, eh? My intuition takes me where Icke describes in  Everything you Wanted to Know but Were Never Told  Or, again,  the banking similarity I proposed above.

Other abysmal difference between these two authors, is the believing in Jesus Christ. Icke simply says he didn’t exist, that Jesus is a construction made recycling ancient archon gods. The evidence is overwhelming. But Cannon, have two books about Jesus. She contacted an entity via a female subject, who was allegedly a member of a secret society who lived together with Jesus Christ. And, in a conference where people from an audience make questions to the entity, in Convoluted Universe, someone asks about Jesus, when is he going to come back. The entity —which is a collective consciousness— responds: He already came back, in form of energy. Is easy to equal this to the new age concept of awakening or the religious one of accepting Christ or the Antichrist in your heart.

I have to say, as grown in a Christian environment, that Christian principles, if applied, would deliver us from the matrix instantly. But nobody follows the Christian principles, not even the Christians. In the other hand, In a book about the between life and death of Cannon, entities blatantly reveals, that—that thing you believed at most in your lifetime, is what you will find in the other side. Jesus, Allah, Shiva, or whatever. So my hearth screamed: In the end, what is the f*cking truth? By nature, the truth is only one. What about this: In the other side, is someone expecting for you, disguised in something you shall believe in. Pretty convenient, eh?

 

About Icke work in the web, he has a program called «The dot connector». He reveals each new episode, a lot of new information. For those who have read his work, maybe that info is no entirely new. By the way, Icke has been accused —and guess by whom: By a new age influencer, Nyla Gnuyen— of have researched nothing, but his books are mere compilations of other authors, including Jordan Maxwell. Maxwell told in a conference, he took Icke to America and he never gave the credit. But Icke himself confess, in Tales of the loop of time that he had days when earned not a single pound. Nevertheless, by only following the synchronicities, or what he calls “the language of life”, he managed to find the way to travel so much. Just he forgot mention Maxwell. Maybe Maxwell is just one of hundredths of people who supported Icke, but is the only one who complained. There was, if my memory doesn’t fail, only one mention in Icke’s books about Maxwell, as a symbolism researcher.

 

I have to point as well, there’s a serious lack of communicators. People who interview Icke, is almost always very young, seems to have just skimmed his books, make poor interviews and corner Icke to repeat always the same statements and ideas. The only interviewer not so young was Brian Rose, or people who wanted to defeat him, like Richard Dawkins.
At this point I want to add, is not my intention to glorify nor defame none of these authors. The size of my doubt about their sources resides only in my ego, in my mind. But I myself have had extraordinary experiences, and my heart tells me both of them just tell/told what they felt as truth. Is a shame, Cannon was, in my opinion, not critical enough making questions to entities. And the entities  themselves told her several times she was chosen by the pureness of her heart. Whether such entities were demons or no, or some of them, maybe we shall know it someday. Cannon was harassed by authorities, maybe not so much as Icke has been, but she told she was, specially during the UFO conferences. This must mean something, or no?

And, about Icke sources, they look like the higher source ever contacted a human in last times. Maybe universe (convoluted) described by Cannon, really exists, reported by entities who live there and are free of specific intentions for humanity. But this universe is also an illusion, according to upper entities, living where real realness exist. Is our choice the level we want to understand and reach.

To finish, a set of curiosities: In both bibliographies, roundness of earth is not questioned. And the moon landing, according to Cannon, was real. This is greatly accepted by my heart. I strongly intuit there’s much more conspiracy in the moon landing (for example, El Mirlo Rojo, of J.J. Benítez) than in a fake one.
Last golden age of Atlantis and Lemuria are other common point.
Icke is clearly a fan of science fiction. He mentions frequently Star Wars, Hunger Games, The Matrix (obviously) and other. About Star Wars, Icke tells us how George Lucas is an insider, and almost everything of this story is taken from what it really is. Something to take into account: Entities speaking via Cannon patients, speak about the Galactic Federation!
The universal/natural/God/infinite awareness Law is confirmed by both authors, quoted from dozens of ancient religions. Summarizing: Don’t do to  others what you wouldn’t like others do to you.

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[JulietCunniffe]

Plato’s Cave, the myth of Prometheus, The Matrix films; are one and the same. Everyone has their own unique experiences but are actually, at base level- archetypal mythology.

 I’m on a similar trajectory as your own. 

as above, so below- as within, so without. The illusion is separation and duality. 
 

David and Dolores are both correct. As is yours. Gaining wisdom through experience. 
 

we are here to learn. You are in the world not of it. As Shakespeare said we are all actors on the stage of Life. The paradox is that we are never really alive nor do we die. Like that cat in the box. No egoic mind can wrap its myopic mind around it, this is where intuition comes into play. .. (spirit, soul, awareness). Identification with form is the trap. As David says, you, me, we; are all conscious awareness..

 

we are all just walking each other home, as Ram Dass put it so eloquently. 
 

 

 

[kieutrinh]

I had the same questions as you because I read both of their books. After reading more information from many other sources, I confirm that David Icke's information is more accurate, because Dolores' information comes from the people she connected with during hypnotic regression. And she really doesn't know who she's connecting with, her informants could be creating a false narrative. You wonder why the hypnotists don't tell us that we are being mind-manipulated by a reptilian race.

 

The nature of channeling or hypnosis is the same and it depends on the frequency of the person doing it. One of David's books mentions that the cabal has technology that interferes with telepathy. Be careful of messages coming from Ashtar or hypnosis, as most of them are actually manipulative. I won't say everything, because the stories about their past lives may be true but we have no way to verify them.

 

I'm using google translate to write this so sorry if what I write is too confusing

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So here Yazhi explains: “Yes, the information from Dolores Cannon and from the Law of One is largely correct, but there are some things that Dolores Cannon does not know, and that is the higher the density, e.g.  If the level is accessed while you are in a deep hypnotic state, things will manifest more quickly.  This intermediate plane, the other plane, manifests very quickly any thought, any belief, any thing or idea that you carry with you exists, manifests and you do  animate it.

 When we die, this especially happens and we take our ideas with us, and many people will see things or realities based on their beliefs.  They won't be permanent, but they will be a phase, because for us here, thoughts are only in our heads, we think they are only inside our minds,  and what we see outside, they are not connected to our mind, it is what happens outside, that it is outside, but in reality it is not like that, all that is outside  external is a reflection of our collective or individual mind.  So when we are in these states beyond, this line merges and then what we see on the outside is what we are thinking and believing.  "

 Many channelers and people who enter those states are actually seeing their inner world, their beliefs and ideas as something external, and for this reason, it is possible that Jesus  appeared to them, they channeled Jesus and other entities.

 So here Yazhi says: “The higher the frequency and density, the faster you manifest your things and beliefs, no matter what they are, because at higher densities, manifestation declines.  I think it's instantaneous.  Jesus has so much attention inside his mind that he will express it on the outside.”

 And as we know, the guy who channels Ra, the Law of One, has strong religious beliefs, because I think every time he channels, he has the Bible next to him, so this is very  fixed, very present in what this person receives and can be tampered with, and I am not saying that he is not really channeling, but it has been mixed with the inner world from the beliefs of people  This.  They will then immediately manifest their belief and it will be real to them, including their version and interpretation of the Jesus story.  Others will manifest the Cosmic Cat or whatever, so what they will see is primarily through the lens of the subject's current unconscious.  That is why channeling, even if it is a real phenomenon, is useless, because most of the time it is the same person who is channeling his own world.”

[QueenRia]

Thank you @indigo solo for taking the time to write down this comparison and posting it here!  It was very interesting to read, and many of the questions you posed I have thoughts and theories about, only don't have the time to write them down right now.  I'm impressed with all the reading and deep thinking you've done. 

 

One thing that stood out to me is this:

On 2/12/2023 at 12:04 AM, indigo solo said:

I have to say, as grown in a Christian environment, that Christian principles, if applied, would deliver us from the matrix instantly. But nobody follows the Christian principles, not even the Christians.

 

Amazing that you would say that, because I have come to the same conclusion!  I haven't grown up as a Christian at all, but started reading the Bible and getting a bit into Christian mysticism some years ago. I absolutely agree with you, if the teachings of "Jesus" were truly understood and applied, they would get us out of here!  What I'm amazed about is that you were able to see this, even though you grew up as a Christian. Most Christians I see are indoctrinated by the church's interpretation of the Bible, and it's hard for them to see beyond that. 

 

[indigo solo]

Hello, and thank you for your replies!

 

Specially for QueenRia, you are very kind. And you look like Gal Gadot...!

Hey, there's a song in my language that says "Hey, stop speaking about Jesus and start behaving like him!".

 

 

And, I want to add something:

I said in the article:

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And, a topic not even Icke has ever mentioned: Suicide.

 

To this day, I have read both The Trap and The Dream and I have to say David have spoken finally about it. He only mentions the concept to establish it as an obvious way to deliver your self from the body-prison-vr headset that is our body (by breaking it). But such action would involve so many dark and would then just make things worse.

 

There's a lot of thinking I have had all my life about suicide, and I am not agree with the mainstream treatment is done about it. What's more, I think, intuit and feel, suicide has been turned into a taboo topic in the last centuries, to maintain humans far from the obvious exit door.

I know this is an explosive statement. Unfortunately, I have nowadays not so much spare time to write as I have when I wrote this article about Cannon and Icke. I have been interested in writting even a book about the taboo of suicide. Mainstream view of it is biased and manipulative. Suicide is the devil of a not-declared religion. The way mainstream psychology view and make other view suicidals, is repulsive. I can compare it with the way mainstream view and make others to view the not vaccinated people. Now connect the dots.

 

I hope soon to have the time to write about what my intuition tells me about suicide.

It hasn't to be like that (full of darkeness). What if someone ends his incarnation by decision but in middle of love and joy? This sounds like a nut contradiction, eh? But no.

Believe me, once you realize beyond all doubt this is a prison world, you understand why suicide is so demonized.

 

Bye, pals.

 

 

 

 

[indigo solo]

Another weird thing in last two Icke books is....

 

He has started quoting The Bible!