☭ Beware the world to come! ☭

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, Truthblast said:

 

What if God did not want to throw fireballs, lightning bolts or flood again and opted instead to play the "perfect man" in the form of Christ?

 

To educate people by setting a concrete example of what a truly good man speaks, acts and reasons like?

 

Would it be difficult for the creator of the Universe to play his own "son" in order to teach Power a lesson or two?

 

And who will return in the 2nd Coming then?

 

Will it be the "son" again or will the Father appear as himself this time and AGAIN force Power to its knees?

 

Well first we need to clear up if Jesus was the Son or God incarnate.

 

Seems to be some confusion about that.

 

Do you believe Jesus was God's son through Mary or God himself in the flesh?

 

Or was Jesus just a prophet as Islam contends?

 

Or an imposter as Judaism contends?

 

While we're at it, as it's pertinent to the discussion, do you believe in the Rapture? As lots of Christians do.

[novymir]

 

 

 

By their fruits you will know them...

 

Results speak louder than words.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11 by novymir

[Michi713]

2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

No, but I'm currently reading about Egypt, and have shown on my thread that Christianity was heavily influenced by the Egyptian pagan mystery schools.

 

According to Eusebius, the Gospels as handed down to the Apostles, were taught in Egypt by the Essenes long before the one we call Christ preached them.

Oh.  

So Joseph was a type of Christ:

persecuted by his brothers

raised to the highest position under pharaoh the god-king

If he was a type of Christ and was a ruler in Egypt somewhere around 1700 BC, perhaps he had a profound influence on the theology of Egypt at that time, which probably got handed down through the centuries, way before the Essenes.

 

Anyway, hope you find what  you're looking for. 

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Oh.  

So Joseph was a type of Christ:

persecuted by his brothers

raised to the highest position under pharaoh the god-king

If he was a type of Christ and was a ruler in Egypt somewhere around 1700 BC, perhaps he had a profound influence on the theology of Egypt at that time, which probably got handed down through the centuries, way before the Essenes.

 

Anyway, hope you find what  you're looking for. 

 

Thanks.

 

I didn't know what i was looking for, but after my daughter burst into tears because the Reverend had attended her school assembly and told all the kids they would go to Hell if they weren't good, I had to start looking into religion. Many parents have complained about that man and his speeches in assembly.

 

Didn't think I would find much, but it turns out its the root of the biggest conspiracy ever forced on mankind. Its at the heart of what conspiracy theorists are investigating, although not many seem to see it. The dark ones who contrived this religion control this world.

 

Now I believe the Bible to be a spiritual handbook, with multiple levels of encoded knowledge, that describes the Macrocosm and the Microcosm, the Heavenly aspects and their effects on man and how to develop yourself to a 'perfect being' who can achieve eternal life, (that doesn't mean just spiritual eternal life - rather the Philosophers Stone - the Tree of Life) and the clue is encoded into the mythical saviours name - Jesus Christ

 

Jesus - meaning the Sun and its transit and effects through the heavens, and Christ - meaning the Oil, the word made flesh and how to cultivate it to achieve perfection.

 

The Macrocosm and the Microcosm.

 

As above, so below.

 

It seems evident the Bible is derived from far ancient writings and teachings than its presented by the Roman Catholic church - you may even have alluded to that yourself with the story of Jacob influencing Christianity. There were others.

 

There have been many prophets who told us the truth.

 

The mythical Jesus figure is just the last in a long line.

 

Unfortunately, far too many people take the book literally. (Like the Flat Earthers)

 

Edited February 11 by pi3141

[Truthblast]

9 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well first we need to clear up if Jesus was the Son or God incarnate.

 

Seems to be some confusion about that.

 

Do you believe Jesus was God's son through Mary or God himself in the flesh?

 

Or was Jesus just a prophet as Islam contends?

 

Or an imposter as Judaism contends?

 

While we're at it, as it's pertinent to the discussion, do you believe in the Rapture? As lots of Christians do.

 

I believe that God may have had 3 main options for fixing the injustices in the world of men:

 

1) Appear himself as a fearsome Thunder-God like presence and bash the bad guys' heads in

 

2) Use his powers to alter the minds of men to the degree that everyone essentially turns into "loving robots" of sorts

 

3) Lead by example by walking the earth in human form for 33 years in the shape of a man who wholly embodies love, healing, decency, morality and truth

 

 

I wasn't around 2000 years ago but I believe that God may have chosen option 3) and played "the perfect man" to show men how to be TRULY GOOD.

 

 

I believe that the Son of God aspect may have been the Father cleverly ensuring that the Powers That Be fly into a rage and gruesomely mock, torture and crucify "the Son of God".

 

 

In other words God cleverly tricked the Powerful into thinking that VIOLENCE will rid them of "the Son of God".

 

 

As far as the Rapture is concerned, nobody really knows what God will choose to do when the appropriate time comes I think.

 

 

The only thing that is for certain is that God will likely once again bring about the downfall of evil, greedy, oppressive and power-hungry men, perhaps by playing a completely different trick on them this time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11 by Truthblast

[webtrekker]

2 minutes ago, Truthblast said:

As far as the Rapture is concerned, nobody really knows what God will choose to do when the appropriate time comes I think.

 

He'll probably just uninstall the app once he's had enough. 

 

 

 

[Mr Crabtree]

19 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

He'll probably just uninstall the app once he's had enough. 

 

 

 

Talking of Apps made m think of when my mother in law had one of those T.V.  remote controllers that you could scan a bar code in the t.v. Programmes listing papers I think it might have been 'The T.V. Times'  Anyway I scanned the bar code on a toilet roll pack and it set the t.v. timer for 'Home and Away', 'Emmerdale' and 'Coronation Street'!

I saw a young couple in Asda recently wearing the same coats as each other and he had his arm around her shoulder as they walked by, I happened to notice they had a big bar code printed right across the back of their two coats, and I said to the lady next to me 'I bet they're an item'!

She laughed and said ' it doesn't last forever those does it darling'? I replied 'well, we've been married over forty years now, and I still hold my wife's hand when we come shopping together'! She said 'oh, that's true love, that is'! I said 'not really, but it's the only way to stop her shoplifting'!

Edited February 11 by Mr Crabtree

[Macnamara]

17 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

So your suggesting a French man discovered the secret Jewish plans for a worldwide conspiracy, and rather than take it to the authorities or newspapers, adapted the documents and incorporated them into a novel, which was then picked up decades later by the Russians who, although no connection existed in the novel, correctly realised it applied to the Jews , so they re-wrote it in its original form, although they had no reference to the original, and released it to the world?

 

And through a series of extraordinary coincidences it is actually true?

 

You would rather believe something like the above than the established facts?

 

no i believe that the rothschilds funded jacob frank who declared himself to be a reincarnation of sabbatai zevi who had declared himself the jewish messiah in the 1600's which saw half of global judiasm support him; I doubt that frank had that level of support but i heard he had 50,000 supporters in poland alone

 

Frank and the rothschilds then oversaw the creation of the bavarian illuminati which was managed by adam weishaupt. The orders intentions to bring about bloody revolution in europe was discovered when one of their dispatch riders was struck by lightening. The communications he was carrying were handed to the authorities who then outlawed the order. They then went underground into reading groups, literary circles and masonic lodges such as the grand orient in paris.

 

A symbol often associated with them is the all seeing eye, much like your avatar in fact!

What was the Bavarian illuminati group?

The Bavarian illuminati group was a movement of republican free thought and is probably the most prominent group associated with the name illuminati. It was founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, professor of canon law at Ingolstadt and former Jesuit. Weishaupt wanted to replace Christianity with a religion of reason, and the members of his society called themselves “Perfectibilists.” The society was carefully structured and divided into three main classes. Weishaupt’s recruitment efforts spread across the cities of Bavaria, and he also made connections with a number of Masonic lodges, where his group often managed to gain a prominent position. The movement over time acquired a rigorously complex constitution and internal communication system, conducted in a cipher. At its zenith, the Bavarian illuminati operated in a very large area, extending from Italy to Denmark and from Warsaw to Paris. The movement was ultimately banned, and Weishaupt was stripped of his professorship at Ingolstadt. No evidence of the Bavarian order appears in the historical record after 1785.

Who are some notable members of illuminati groups?

Adam Weishaupt of the Bavarian illuminati targeted people of wealth and social importance when he was spreading his doctrine, and a number of notable figures are associated with the Bavarian movement. Literary giants Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried von Herder, as well as a number of dukes, were claimed as members of the Bavarian society, though how much they were actually involved is disputed. Weishaupt’s illuminati were also believed to have included astronomer Johann Bode, writer and bookseller Friedrich Nicolai, philosopher Friedrich Jacobi, and poet Friedrich Leopold, Graf zu Stolberg-Stolberg. Additionally, the British philosopher Francis Bacon was connected to the earlier Rosicrucian order, while St. Ignatius of Loyola was associated with the Alumbrado movement.

https://www.britannica.com/question/Who-are-some-notable-members-of-illuminati-groups

 

[Macnamara]

14 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well first we need to clear up if Jesus was the Son or God incarnate.

 

Seems to be some confusion about that.

 

Do you believe Jesus was God's son through Mary or God himself in the flesh?

 

Or was Jesus just a prophet as Islam contends?

 

Or an imposter as Judaism contends?

 

While we're at it, as it's pertinent to the discussion, do you believe in the Rapture? As lots of Christians do.

 

it seems to me that in a world where satanism is asserting itself more and more publically and more and more people are experiencing mental health problems and taking various forms of medication that the whole purpose of jesus was to be a saviour from a poisoned world view

 

it seems to me that the people aligning against christianity such as antifa, the satanists and atheist followers of scientism all share poisoned world views that not only make them miserable but seek to make the entire world miserable as well

[Truthblast]

10 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

It was founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, professor of canon law at Ingolstadt and former Jesuit.

 

Same year as the American Declaration of Independence...

[Macnamara]

18 hours ago, Campion said:

I would argue he repackaged his religion as an outwardly secular pseudo-scientific political philosophy which conceals a passionate religious faith whereby the state becomes God and the communist party his priesthood. 

Stalin was also from a religious background, he trained as a priest, which I'm not surprised about.

 

That's certainly how it looks; and what steps into the breach created by this destruction to clean up, but the big, supernanny, technocratic state. 

 

i still suggest that the point was to get YOU to abandon YOUR religion so that you came to see the state as your highest authority

 

the sabbateans had control of the state and they would still have their own lurianic kabbalah as their guiding religion

 

so the serfs would be without spiritual self-defence and beholden to the state having forgotten their inalienable rights and the common law whilst the technocrats who ran the state would be a class of philosopher kings bound together in their occult knowledge.

 

communism was never to be the religion of karl marx and the rothschilds. communism was only for the serfs

[EnigmaticWorld]

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

communism was never to be the religion of karl marx and the rothschilds. communism was only for the serfs

 

Agreed. Look at the commies in China. They aspire to be like one Abrahamic faith, but not the other two.

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, Truthblast said:

 

Same year as the American Declaration of Independence...

 

well i think we need to be careful because clearly the cabal wants to destroy the US constitution and the nation of the USA

 

there was a lot of upheval at that time. Britain had undergone the bloodless revolution of william of orange's invasion which was bankrolled by the amsterdam jews.

 

America had thrown off the british who were enthrall to the banksters and sought to squeeze the colonies to pay the interest owed on loans to the international bankers

 

The french revolution was fomented by the sabbateans in 1789 leading to the 'terror' as they slaughtered anyone deemed to be an enemy of the revolution

 

Then they carried out the october revolution in russia in 1918 where they murdered the russian monarchy and over a million russian christians. Then they killed millions more through communist collectivisation of farming

 

Then they put mao into power in china (he was educated at a school set up by the american university Yale which was run by skull and bonesmen which is an illuminati lodge in america) and he killed tens of millions in china through state oppression and collectivisation of the economy

 

Now they are trying to bring about the 'great reset' revolution across the west and the covid scamdemic was part of that; we don't know how many millions will die from this latest chapter yet

[Campion]

5 hours ago, Truthblast said:

I wasn't around 2000 years ago but I believe that God may have chosen option 3) and played "the perfect man" to show men how to be TRULY GOOD.

 

There is a lot of good in the teachings attributed to Jesus, but I think there are enough blind spots as to hold back from calling him perfect. This may well be down to how the scripture authors wanted to spin the story according to their own agendas, rather than Jesus's. 

 

One is the attitude to sexuality, family life and community cohesion and sustainability. He encouraged his followers to leave and their families rather than support them. Human relationships seem to be seen as less important than the relationship with God. 

 

He advocated accommodation with the Roman occupiers but had strong condemnation of people in his own racial group, such as the Pharisees. So why was it the Romans who crucified him, when in fact he was probably doing them a favour by causing splits in the Jews and weakening their ability to unite against the occupation? 

 

He preached as if the end times were near, perhaps that's why he didn't think it was necessary to emphasise family life. But those end times never came, unless it relates to the Romans crushing the uprisings and destroying Judea as a country. 

[pi3141]

8 hours ago, Truthblast said:

As far as the Rapture is concerned, nobody really knows what God will choose to do when the appropriate time comes I think.

 

Wasn't really sure how to respond to your post but so I can accurately decide how lost you are - what do you mean by 'the Rapture' ?

 

The whole Jesus returns and snatches people up into the clouds or the Catholic interpretation?

[pi3141]

4 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

no i believe that the rothschilds funded jacob frank who declared himself to be a reincarnation of sabbatai zevi who had declared himself the jewish messiah in the 1600's which saw half of global judiasm support him; I doubt that frank had that level of support but i heard he had 50,000 supporters in poland alone

 

Frank and the rothschilds then oversaw the creation of the bavarian illuminati which was managed by adam weishaupt. The orders intentions to bring about bloody revolution in europe was discovered when one of their dispatch riders was struck by lightening. The communications he was carrying were handed to the authorities who then outlawed the order. They then went underground into reading groups, literary circles and masonic lodges such as the grand orient in paris.

 

A symbol often associated with them is the all seeing eye, much like your avatar in fact!

What was the Bavarian illuminati group?

The Bavarian illuminati group was a movement of republican free thought and is probably the most prominent group associated with the name illuminati. It was founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, professor of canon law at Ingolstadt and former Jesuit. Weishaupt wanted to replace Christianity with a religion of reason, and the members of his society called themselves “Perfectibilists.” The society was carefully structured and divided into three main classes. Weishaupt’s recruitment efforts spread across the cities of Bavaria, and he also made connections with a number of Masonic lodges, where his group often managed to gain a prominent position. The movement over time acquired a rigorously complex constitution and internal communication system, conducted in a cipher. At its zenith, the Bavarian illuminati operated in a very large area, extending from Italy to Denmark and from Warsaw to Paris. The movement was ultimately banned, and Weishaupt was stripped of his professorship at Ingolstadt. No evidence of the Bavarian order appears in the historical record after 1785.

Who are some notable members of illuminati groups?

Adam Weishaupt of the Bavarian illuminati targeted people of wealth and social importance when he was spreading his doctrine, and a number of notable figures are associated with the Bavarian movement. Literary giants Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried von Herder, as well as a number of dukes, were claimed as members of the Bavarian society, though how much they were actually involved is disputed. Weishaupt’s illuminati were also believed to have included astronomer Johann Bode, writer and bookseller Friedrich Nicolai, philosopher Friedrich Jacobi, and poet Friedrich Leopold, Graf zu Stolberg-Stolberg. Additionally, the British philosopher Francis Bacon was connected to the earlier Rosicrucian order, while St. Ignatius of Loyola was associated with the Alumbrado movement.

https://www.britannica.com/question/Who-are-some-notable-members-of-illuminati-groups

 

 

 

That's all well and good but can you explain how a French novelist got hold of the secret Jewish plans for world domination decades before the rest of the world?

 

 

[alexa]

10 hours ago, Truthblast said:

As far as the Rapture is concerned, nobody really knows what God will choose to do when the appropriate time comes

 

The Rapture ( caught up in the air with the Lord) happens on the final day when most will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

I'm sorry folks but there is no pre-rapture as many Christians are led to believe, this is a false teaching which was taught by the likes of Scofield & John Nelson Darby.

Edited February 11 by alexa

[Truthblast]

4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

That's all well and good but can you explain how a French novelist got hold of the secret Jewish plans for world domination decades before the rest of the world?

 

 

 

It was probably well known that occultists - not "Jews" per se - had a plan for world domination that would span a long period of time and involve complex deceptions.

 

A plan involving thousands of operatives in dozens of countries is rather DIFFICULT to keep completely secret for decades or centuries.

 

Also novelists tend to be smart, educated thinking people who understand how wayward minds think and who - upon hearing that there MAY be a plan of this sort - may simply have filled in the blanks and unknowns.

 

Again we are talking about OCCULTISTS with megalomaniacal plans for the world who were either hiding behind Judaism to signal virtue or shield themselves, or hiding amongst a larger population of ordinary Jews who had no idea what they are up to.

 

Perhaps the Jews of the time were pissing the wrong people off by becoming too powerful in money matters and it was politically convenient to re-cast the occultist conspiracy as a larger Jewish conspiracy.

 

If you want to get super-conspiratorial, the occultists themselves may have smeared the Jews with a partly made up conspiracy.

 

All eyes would be on all sorts of Jews while the occultist conspirators - well out of the public eye - worked on their own world dominations plans.

 

 

To know the full truth, we would need the ability to travel back in time to that period and to carefully observe what possibly hundreds of individuals with various agendas were doing at the time.

 

 

Anyone can write a history book or an account of a certain time and place.

 

 

I could write a book claiming that Voodoo practitioners from the Caribbean "poisoned the minds of early Silicon Valley entrepreneurs" and conspired to cause today's PRIVACY CATASTROPHE.

 

 

Laughable today, but someone 200 years from now may rediscover the book and think "this author knew things!".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Michi713]

The FBI and the Brookings Institute stink tank are "concerned" about "white Christian nationalists."  

First they back us into a corner with their gay alphabet agenda and when they get backlash they feel threatened.  Of course anti-semitism is mentioned.  
Their plan is to infiltrate and subvert American churches, schools and homeschool curriculums.  And continue to liberalize and politicize black churches to combat so-called white Christian nationalists. 

I suppose most on this forum welcome this...
Experts on the panel all obnoxious, pompous, horse shit spewing liberals congratulating themselves.

 

[pi3141]

4 hours ago, Truthblast said:

It was probably well known that occultists - not "Jews" per se - had a plan for world domination that would span a long period of time and involve complex deceptions.

 

Again we are talking about OCCULTISTS with megalomaniacal plans for the world who were either hiding behind Judaism to signal virtue or shield themselves, or hiding amongst a larger population of ordinary Jews who had no idea what they are up to.

 

Perhaps the Jews of the time were pissing the wrong people off by becoming too powerful in money matters and it was politically convenient to re-cast the occultist conspiracy as a larger Jewish conspiracy.

 

If you want to get super-conspiratorial, the occultists themselves may have smeared the Jews with a partly made up conspiracy.

 

All eyes would be on all sorts of Jews while the occultist conspirators - well out of the public eye - worked on their own world dominations plans.

 

I've edited out your post to highlight what I can agree or accept as likely truth of the matter.

 

Imo, the Jews have been set up, used, and as you say, possibly smeared by the real culprits.

 

I say, the Jews are just as controlled as the Christians and Muslims - all 3 Abrahamic religions have been set up for an End Times war or clash of civilizations where all 3 branches have been promised their tribe is the just and righteous tribe.

 

That's the clue right there - all 3 Abrahamic religions which sprung from the same poisonous well have been set on a collision course with each other.

 

So who set the course?

 

Who gains?

 

You correctly state 'the Occultists' imo.

 

Ive said it before, and it is a scholarly view, there is evidence of an unbroken mystery school existing for thousands of years before the Jews, Christians or Muslims, who created and promoted these religions.

 

And they were the ones who set us on a culture clash and an End Times scenario.

 

There is no 'End Times' in God's plan.

 

(Except when a giant rock enevitably crashes into our planet)

Edited February 12 by pi3141

[novymir]

Virtue signallers. And vagaries. And obsfucation.  Crimestop speakers.

 

"Occultist" is a neutral term.

 

A "satanist" is a "satanist", is a "satanist"....is an "anti-Christ"....is an ego-worshippper--The Disingenuous One--The Liar and Murderer since the beginning.

 

That which has a beginning must have an End.

 

 

 

Edited February 12 by novymir

[novymir]

Behold!! The "world"... in all it's glory!!

 

 

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, novymir said:

Virtue signallers. And vagaries. And obsfucation.  Crimestop speakers.

 

"Occultist" is a neutral term.

 

A "satanist" is a "satanist", is a "satanist"....is an "anti-Christ"....is an ego-worshippper--The Disingenuous One--The Liar and Murderer since the beginning.

 

That which has a beginning must have an End.

 

Well I kinda agree with the term Satanist as a word to describe opposers- but Satan is largely a Myth, a low level spirit without much power. The Satanist's are deceived.

 

I believe God is eternal and infinite - there is no beginning or end - that's the mystery.

 

In the Bible when it says 'In the beginning' that's a mistranslation, the original scripture starts 'When God decided to create the world' so you see, the Universe was already in existence, its only our world that got created at that time.

 

Big Bang is a load of bollocks - 'in the beginning when nothing, not even time existed' - what a load of crap. I used to marvel at the parallels between creation story as given in the Bible and Big Bang theory, now I know they're both wrong.

 

'In the beginning...'

*facepalm*

[Campion]

6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Well I kinda agree with the term Satanist as a word to describe opposers- but Satan is largely a Myth, a low level spirit without much power. The Satanist's are deceived.

 

Satan belongs to the Abrahamic group of religions, it's part of their dialectic of Good vs Evil we are taught to think of Satanism as in opposition to those religions. Whereas occultism is a more general term which can be applied to many secret teachings.  And the Christians have projected Satanic imagery onto what they call pagan gods as propaganda, which muddied the waters for a long time. 

Edited February 12 by Campion

[Macnamara]

18 hours ago, pi3141 said:

That's all well and good but can you explain how a French novelist got hold of the secret Jewish plans for world domination decades before the rest of the world?

 

they didn't as the elector of bavaria got hold of the secret plan of the sabbateans and banned the illuminati

 

the illuminati then went underground into freemasonry and the literary world through which they agitated and recruited. Their ideas then percolated through the intellectual world of europe

 

However was there a much older plot that was already known about:

The War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness

Hebrew document

The War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness, Hebrew Megillat Milḥamat B’ne, orBeb’ne Ḥoshekh, also called War Rule, orWar Scroll, a Dead Sea Scroll, and one of the most important documents of the Essene sect of Jews that established a community at Qumrān in the Judaean desert during the first half of the 2nd century bc. The Essenes thought themselves to be the holy elect of Israel, the Sons of Light, who would at the end of time engage in a catastrophic war with the enemies of Israel, the Sons of Darkness.

The War Rule, discovered in Cave I of Qumrān in 1947, is a manual for military organization and strategy, including detailed specifications for battle gear and signals. It is also a theological discourse that develops the doctrine of the spirits of truth and perversity mentioned in the sect’s Manual of Discipline. The scroll’s apocalyptic portrayal of a 40-year “holy war” between the forces of good and evil involves heavenly as well as earthly soldiers. The elect of Israel are joined by an angelic host, while the devil and the evil angels fight alongside other nations of the Earth. The victory of the forces of light was to signal the final destruction of evil, after which the God of Israel would rule eternally in justice.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-War-of-the-Sons-of-Light-Against-the-Sons-of-Darkness