HAARPING_On Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Here we go... the climate blackouts are coming and once they know they can get away with this voluntarily then people’s supplies will be switched off at will via the smart meters... carrot and stick operation going on right here folks! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64367504 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainlove Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 35 minutes ago, HAARPING_On said: Here we go... the climate blackouts are coming and once they know they can get away with this voluntarily then people’s supplies will be switched off at will via the smart meters... carrot and stick operation going on right here folks! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64367504 But i dont have a smart meter? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAARPING_On Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, Captainlove said: But i dont have a smart meter? Excellent. Neither have I. That means they can't just turn you off. NEVER EVER GET A SMART METER. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velma Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Customers will receive a discount if they reduce their electricity use between the times set by National Grid. On Monday the scheme ran between 17:00 and 18:00 GMT, and on Tuesday will run between 16:30 and 18:00 GMT. You can save by doing things like delaying using your washing machine or tumble dryer, or charging your electric vehicle. It’s gone from one hour to one and a half, soon it will be two hours or three, to make savings ranging from a few pounds to as much as £20! Won’t this scheme create a power surge when everyone puts the kettle back on, does a washing and charges their gadgets at six O’Clock? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talorgan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Velma said: Customers will receive a discount if they reduce their electricity use between the times set by National Grid. On Monday the scheme ran between 17:00 and 18:00 GMT, and on Tuesday will run between 16:30 and 18:00 GMT. You can save by doing things like delaying using your washing machine or tumble dryer, or charging your electric vehicle. It’s gone from one hour to one and a half, soon it will be two hours or three, to make savings ranging from a few pounds to as much as £20! Won’t this scheme create a power surge when everyone puts the kettle back on, does a washing and charges their gadgets at six O’Clock? I used to have an old spin drier motor that I had the notion to connect up to my bike and battery and ride off into the sunset seeing as all the other free energy is suppressed Edited January 23 by Talorgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanityisgone Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 If people are buying all these electric cars, where is the energy coming from to charge them? Obviously before our vehicles used fuel to generate their own energy. Now surely there is more demand for electricity with these batteries tech advancements, automation, AI. Apparently batteries don't last half as long in winter either.. Where is all the electricity going to come from? The batteries? 66.7 million new car sales in a year, that's just cars. Realistically the only real benefit of electric cars is moving pollution away from densely populated areas, so why ban diesel and petrol engines? Because they can control electricity just like they can control your electric car. Once they gain control the people will give it up naturally. Coercion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I doubt they plan on most people buying electric. The endgame is probably a world where you rideshare. Sounds like hell to me. I hate public transport, it makes me feel like a stranger in my own land. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanityisgone Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 54 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: I doubt they plan on most people buying electric. The endgame is probably a world where you rideshare. Sounds like hell to me. I hate public transport, it makes me feel like a stranger in my own land. Exactly so it's expensive for a reason, it's not going anywhere. They claim that it helps climate change but all its doing is moving pollution from point A to point B. The fact that they wont help regular people invest in electric shows just how useless they really are. My question is are they forcing us to reduce our energy consumption to pay for these electric cars? Someone said they stopped investing in oil, but the cars still need to burn oil to get electric. They're manufacturing each crisis in front of our eyes. What kind of world is this we love in What are we going to enjoy ourselves and go out with some dignity and pride, a bit of a bang Or... Shall we all cover ourselves in bubble wrap and tin foil, mutilate all our sex organs and claim some absurd liberal righteousness that we managed to get one second further away from doomsday clock before were quickly engulfed by our exploding sun.... I'm sick of these fools begging for their own enslavement and worshipping false idols. I'd prefer to see CV19 on the forehead of every jabbed person going forward. Just fuck off lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanityisgone Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 https://news.sky.com/story/it-will-take-a-lot-more-than-willing-customers-to-manage-future-electricity-supply-after-the-great-turn-off-12794594 Why? Because rich people want Tesla's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 make cars unaffordable make fuel unaffordable who needs cars when you are in a 15 minute city UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/uk-eliminating-car-ownership/ trudy harrison mp is a klaus schwab agent 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebestein Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/23/2023 at 11:48 AM, Captainlove said: But i dont have a smart meter? Same here. I just refuse to have one too. If they get pushy, I tell them: "I don't trust the cyber security credentials of these smartmeters as they likely contain Chinese Spyware. I'll only consider such a meter (i.e. the specific meter itself) if it has been rigorously tested by each of the members of the Five Eyes community's electronic security groups; Which; Money Saving Expert and Kroll. Plus I'll need a hardware firewall and free cyber insurance. Then I might consider it, if you can also send me the Source Code." Usually puts then off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
factJack Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/25/2023 at 7:30 AM, Sanityisgone said: Why? Because rich people want Tesla's I think the rich people are shunning Tesla. It seems to be for old people or perhaps people who get them on a company car scheme. Mercedes and range rover have a premium car look and feel about them. In fact Tesla they are quite boring looking it's looks like a 90's mondeo. I think initially they attracted the old mob you see in apple stores looking for help with their iPhone. The problem the car marketing department has, an electric car means someone wants to save money and travel cheap and the problem is the people who can afford them want a car that makes a statement that they are successful the exact opposite. I think the boring look is purposely to steer people towards the ride share as mentioned above. When I'm out and about I always look at the kind of people who drive a certain cars. I know tesla's acceleration figures are really impressive however the people driving will never try and burn you off at the lights. If you come racing up to a halt next to a guy in a porsche, it always happens, they get all competitive and try and leave you for dust. I don't think I or someone who's life aspiration it is to win the lottery jackpot dream of owning a tesla. If you look in the car park of the premier league stadium you will see lambo and range rover not tesla. Of course I don't know this for sure I just get these vibes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 i keep track on various ev youtubers and one done a vid on how its more expensive now to run an ev over diesel and other said they couldnt advise anyone to go to ev now hydrogen ftw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sit down, Waldo Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 'Electricity prices in the UK about to explode'. This is a Norwegian article from September 2021. Did someone jump the gun?... https://www.europower.no/kraftmarked/ny-nordisk-prisrekord-priseksplosjon-i-england/2-1-1067464 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/23/2023 at 11:12 AM, HAARPING_On said: Here we go... the climate blackouts are coming and once they know they can get away with this voluntarily then people’s supplies will be switched off at will via the smart meters... carrot and stick operation going on right here folks! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64367504 "Climate Blackouts" on the Way... From Today! & yet they still wanna build this ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 46 minutes ago, alexa said: "Climate Blackouts" on the Way... From Today! & yet they still wanna build this ?? You will listen to destructive music and you will be happy! Edited January 29 by EnigmaticWorld 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: You will listen to destructive music and you will be happy! No thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/23/2023 at 11:12 AM, HAARPING_On said: Here we go... the climate blackouts are coming and once they know they can get away with this voluntarily then people’s supplies will be switched off at will via the smart meters... carrot and stick operation going on right here folks! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64367504 On 1/23/2023 at 8:02 PM, Velma said: Customers will receive a discount if they reduce their electricity use between the times set by National Grid. On Monday the scheme ran between 17:00 and 18:00 GMT, and on Tuesday will run between 16:30 and 18:00 GMT. You can save by doing things like delaying using your washing machine or tumble dryer, or charging your electric vehicle. It’s gone from one hour to one and a half, soon it will be two hours or three, to make savings ranging from a few pounds to as much as £20! Won’t this scheme create a power surge when everyone puts the kettle back on, does a washing and charges their gadgets at six O’Clock? BUT you only get these discounts IF you have a smart meter. It is just 'incentivising' people to switch to a smart meter. "Carrot and stick". Once you have a smart meter, then you're under their control. I wrote about this last year on my website: The real reason for ‘smart meters’ is becoming ever more apparent https://thegrumpyowl.co.uk/2022/06/27/the-real-reason-for-smart-meters-is-becoming-ever-more-apparent/ The other way of looking at this is that if energy suppliers can 'afford' to give out discounts like this, then perhaps they could afford to reduce their unit prices a bit, you know, make things fair on everybody. I'm with EDF and I signed up for a 3 year fixed rate tariff which runs until September 2024. Technically, they must be making a loss with me as a customer (my DD is £60 a month currently, and they're paying me back £67 a month until March) but there is nothing they can do while I sit tight here in my current property. It is my consideration that these energy price rises are all a massive contrivance with two aims: 1) kill off the smaller suppliers who just resell wholesale energy (ie they don't produce, but took advantage of the 'free market') leaving just the 'big six' to dominate and control the market 2) incentivise consumer take-up of smart meters with the ultimate aim of being able to charge more for energy when it is most 'in-demand' (think Uber "surge-pricing") Once smart meter adoption reaches 'critical mass' - ie a majority of household have one - then the agenda can progress further, and those whose energy usage can't be scrutinised and monitored can be punished with higher unit rates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1234 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I don't have a smart meter either. But surely they can still turn off your electricity if you don't have one. They do it to people all the time that don't pay, surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Human10 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/23/2023 at 11:58 AM, HAARPING_On said: Excellent. Neither have I. That means they can't just turn you off. NEVER EVER GET A SMART METER. Too late... My dad remembers connecting electricity in his village... It looks we are in reverse. Oh well - we will play bridge and read books. Good old times... And I have another idea for entertainment in 15 min. towns - burning covid deniers! Oh wait I've forgot about co2 emission! Me stupid. Better cut their heads... Edited January 30 by Human10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Human10 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 7 hours ago, factJack said: I think the rich people are shunning Tesla. It seems to be for old people or perhaps people who get them on a company car scheme. Mercedes and range rover have a premium car look and feel about them. In fact Tesla they are quite boring looking it's looks like a 90's mondeo. I think initially they attracted the old mob you see in apple stores looking for help with their iPhone. The problem the car marketing department has, an electric car means someone wants to save money and travel cheap and the problem is the people who can afford them want a car that makes a statement that they are successful the exact opposite. I think the boring look is purposely to steer people towards the ride share as mentioned above. When I'm out and about I always look at the kind of people who drive a certain cars. I know tesla's acceleration figures are really impressive however the people driving will never try and burn you off at the lights. If you come racing up to a halt next to a guy in a porsche, it always happens, they get all competitive and try and leave you for dust. I don't think I or someone who's life aspiration it is to win the lottery jackpot dream of owning a tesla. If you look in the car park of the premier league stadium you will see lambo and range rover not tesla. Of course I don't know this for sure I just get these vibes. I've never seen Tesla live... I don't know anyone using satellite internet too... I know these things exist but do they make millionaire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 1/25/2023 at 6:11 AM, EnigmaticWorld said: I doubt they plan on most people buying electric. The endgame is probably a world where you rideshare. "Converting the existing U.S. car fleet to electric vehicles would require more lithium than the world currently produces, showing the need to move away from private cars as a primary means of travel" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/making-the-entire-u-s-car-fleet-electric-could-cause-lithium-shortages/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 48 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: "Converting the existing U.S. car fleet to electric vehicles would require more lithium than the world currently produces, showing the need to move away from private cars as a primary means of travel" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/making-the-entire-u-s-car-fleet-electric-could-cause-lithium-shortages/ i guess the "tiping point" is around 2030(like the point of no return) some high ranked menagers say that and when i take into account the motorsport and life time of some regulation in serie/s you get more or less the 2030 year and in the mean time we will get al sorts of crisies i guess,in a few years intervals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 anyone had any blackouts yet. zero for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack121 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 1/25/2023 at 5:57 AM, Sanityisgone said: If people are buying all these electric cars, where is the energy coming from to charge them? Obviously before our vehicles used fuel to generate their own energy. Now surely there is more demand for electricity with these batteries tech advancements, automation, AI. Apparently batteries don't last half as long in winter either.. Where is all the electricity going to come from? The batteries? 66.7 million new car sales in a year, that's just cars. Realistically the only real benefit of electric cars is moving pollution away from densely populated areas, so why ban diesel and petrol engines? Because they can control electricity just like they can control your electric car. Once they gain control the people will give it up naturally. Coercion Is there any way to generate your own electricity, some people are saying you can do it with magnets, not sure what they mean, are they talking about some kind of generator. I think the e;ites will cut off the electricity soon, and i want to get prepared for the worst, as most forum members should be doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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