Has anyone tried the ketogenic diet?

[Mr H]

So there's a few people I know who I respect who swear by this. And one person I know who used to help recover from cancer who swears by it.

 

I've been looking into it and it makes a lot of sense. But then so does a lot of other diets.

 

My main issue with it is it's practicality. My understanding is you need to eat high grade grass finished meat which is ever increasing in price.

 

Plus there's a lot of fruit and veg I enjoy which don't really fit in.

 

I'm guessing you have to do it properly to get the benefits of ketosis and can't have primarily a keto based diet.

 

Where I am at the moment is drastically reduced my carbs and buy best quality meat when possible. But not in ketosis.

 

Anyone tried it and what were your results?

 

What is the best diet you have tried?

Edited January 1, 2023 by Mr H

[BeeThrive]

I’ve not personally tried it but a relative with weight issues, tyoe 1 diabetes and heart issues did and lost the pot-belly weight, reduced the need for insulin doses for the first time in 40yrs, and bp pill doses reduced too. They felt a lot better also, more energy, despite being 60+yrs old.

 

Also, what ive read about it from others experience makes me believe its a viable diet for those with many health issues, aside from just weight issues.

 

If you like eating high fat food anyway youll get on well.

 

If you can find an organic farm local to you you’d likely get better and cheaper quality meat from them than any specialist outlet. Same with cheese and dairy and organic veggies. Worth a google of organic farms near you as many supply their foodstuffs off the farm direct or at local small shops many don’t know about. 
 

The only downside to keto-diet high fat diet is if a person has liver or gall-bladder issues. Theyd want to approach is cautiously, with help from a trained experienced nutritionist. Liver and gallbladder health is essential to be working fairly well as those organs dissolve and process fats.

It’s ironic that high sucrose/fructose diets cause non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, so makes sense to cut them out and go keto - but due to the liver being compromised a keto-switch over would want to be done only once processed sugars/syrup/high carbs food have been lowered for a few months to allow the liver to heal and function better before switching full-time to keto.

The good news about the liver is it’s an astounding work-horse of the body and self-repairs amazingly well. 
A keto diet for a weak liver could therefore impede its functioning.

 

The gauge of liver health and gallbladder health is whether you can tolerate a ketogenic diet. If not, a liver enzyme blood test should be done to assess its true condition.

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, BeeThrive said:

I’ve not personally tried it but a relative with weight issues, tyoe 1 diabetes and heart issues did and lost the pot-belly weight, reduced the need for insulin doses for the first time in 40yrs, and bp pill doses reduced too. They felt a lot better also, more energy, despite being 60+yrs old.

 

Also, what ive read about it from others experience makes me believe its a viable diet for those with many health issues, aside from just weight issues.

 

If you like eating high fat food anyway youll get on well.

 

If you can find an organic farm local to you you’d likely get better and cheaper quality meat from them than any specialist outlet. Same with cheese and dairy and organic veggies. Worth a google of organic farms near you as many supply their foodstuffs off the farm direct or at local small shops many don’t know about. 
 

The only downside to keto-diet high fat diet is if a person has liver or gall-bladder issues. Theyd want to approach is cautiously, with help from a trained experienced nutritionist. Liver and gallbladder health is essential to be working fairly well as those organs dissolve and process fats.

It’s ironic that high sucrose/fructose diets cause non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, so makes sense to cut them out and go keto - but due to the liver being compromised a keto-switch over would want to be done only once processed sugars/syrup/high carbs food have been lowered for a few months to allow the liver to heal and function better before switching full-time to keto.

The good news about the liver is it’s an astounding work-horse of the body and self-repairs amazingly well. 
A keto diet for a weak liver could therefore impede its functioning.

 

The gauge of liver health and gallbladder health is whether you can tolerate a ketogenic diet. If not, a liver enzyme blood test should be done to assess its true condition.

Thank you that's awesome information.

 

What about for people with no issues? And want to be as healthy as possible?

 

Or do you recommend different diet?

[BeeThrive]

16 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Thank you that's awesome information.

 

What about for people with no issues? And want to be as healthy as possible?

 

Or do you recommend different diet?

The keto diet is worth trying for anyone with physical energy issues. Because sugar is processed via pancreatic secretions and cell receptor health for insulin may likely be under par - switching to a keto diet accesses different metabolic energy pathways, thus giving the pancreas a rest, and the insulin receptors a chance to heal/balance themselves better.

 

Concentrated processed sugars really can yoyo energy levels and cause cell receptor health issues.

 

The diet i recommend depends on the person and their specific health issues.

For someone doing well and wants to be optimum, i’d say listen to the deep somatic cravings the body has for ‘fuel’ - in those cravings give insight as to what the body complex needs.

 

The cravings im talking about arent from ego mind desire level, like mine says ‘chocolate cake’ everytime The cravings i mean are really primal yearnings almost feeling like from the depths of the body, just like when thirst is felt, we have to satisfy it. 
I get these type of cravings for celery, chilli, oranges - whenever vit/min levels need topping up, the food with most of it will be badly wanted the more deficiency is experienced. I’d often eat a whole head of broccoli and pure dark chocolate for sulfur and magnesium!

The body tends to go for what the mind likes so as not to cause taste problems.

 

Its similar to pregnant women crave all sorts of foods - the cravings are very strong - they have another being utilising all their nutrients. One woman i know and its often said, raw liver is a common pregnancy craving as it contains a hefty dose of various nutrients. Raw also because the more delicate nutrients are often destroyed by heat. 
 

So to follow somatic body cravings does has wisdom to it and works oftentimes. Dont forget food is vibrational too, so if we’re a bit off with our body/mind energy complex its likely we’d receive a craving message that is of a food class to balance us out and relieve our ‘energy crisis’, aiding homeostasis. 
 

 

[The All Eye]

Diets are no good.  They don't last long and people revert to their old eating habits.  The best thing to do is change your eating lifestyle, not to diet.  I've done many diets the last 20 years and they all crash and burn because they are not practical in the long run.  Five years ago I began a vegan lifestyle and notice my joint pain subsided, illnesses just about disappeared or when I got a cold it came and went quickly, more energy, healthier skin and hair, and I feel mentally better.  And I'm no skinny sickly guy.  I'm 5'9, 230 and lift weights 6 days a week and play ice hockey.  

Will this lifestyle work for everyone?  Probably not.  But a change in eating habits is way better than some fad diet.

[Mr H]

9 minutes ago, BeeThrive said:

The keto diet is worth trying for anyone with physical energy issues. Because sugar is processed via pancreatic secretions and cell receptor health for insulin may likely be under par - switching to a keto diet accesses different metabolic energy pathways, thus giving the pancreas a rest, and the insulin receptors a chance to heal/balance themselves better.

 

Concentrated processed sugars really can yoyo energy levels and cause cell receptor health issues.

 

The diet i recommend depends on the person and their specific health issues.

For someone doing well and wants to be optimum, i’d say listen to the deep somatic cravings the body has for ‘fuel’ - in those cravings give insight as to what the body complex needs.

 

The cravings im talking about arent from ego mind desire level, like mine says ‘chocolate cake’ everytime The cravings i mean are really primal yearnings almost feeling like from the depths of the body, just like when thirst is felt, we have to satisfy it. 
I get these type of cravings for celery, chilli, oranges - whenever vit/min levels need topping up, the food with most of it will be badly wanted the more deficiency is experienced. I’d often eat a whole head of broccoli and pure dark chocolate for sulfur and magnesium!

The body tends to go for what the mind likes so as not to cause taste problems.

 

Its similar to pregnant women crave all sorts of foods - the cravings are very strong - they have another being utilising all their nutrients. One woman i know and its often said, raw liver is a common pregnancy craving as it contains a hefty dose of various nutrients. Raw also because the more delicate nutrients are often destroyed by heat. 
 

So to follow somatic body cravings does has wisdom to it and works oftentimes. Dont forget food is vibrational too, so if we’re a bit off with our body/mind energy complex its likely we’d receive a craving message that is of a food class to balance us out and relieve our ‘energy crisis’, aiding homeostasis. 
 

 

Thank you. That advice is actually the same as a meditation teacher once told me.

 

I guess the one thing we have to be careful if is whether our craving for carbs or not is natural or kind of a self fulfilling thing, you want it because you are lot the day before.

 

Maybe it's best to do a fast before tuning into what the body wants.

 

Off the top of my head, I get cravings for beef, eggs, oranges, water melon, milk, carrots and red onion. Not a bad place to start.

 

I do get massive cravings for bread too sometimes but that could be craving for carbs.

[BeeThrive]

21 hours ago, Mr H said:

Thank you. That advice is actually the same as a meditation teacher once told me.

 

I guess the one thing we have to be careful if is whether our craving for carbs or not is natural or kind of a self fulfilling thing, you want it because you are lot the day before.

 

Maybe it's best to do a fast before tuning into what the body wants.

 

Off the top of my head, I get cravings for beef, eggs, oranges, water melon, milk, carrots and red onion. Not a bad place to start.

 

I do get massive cravings for bread too sometimes but that could be craving for carbs.

Yes, understanding the ‘nature’ of the craving is the tricky bit, that takes a bit of practice to discern.

 

Usually, the cravings that are obscure, like you mention carrots - when you really really just need to eat carrots, thats a somatic body call outside of ‘ego desire’ foods.

 

When we crave food groups, like you mention bread/carbs - that indicates a need for starch/enegy - and its fast digestible energy too. Which is why we’re prone to snacking on chocolate bars full of sugar for quick energy.

With these type of cravings, i then decide the healthiest choice for say, fast energy - and will choose a banana instead of chocolate bar. The choice to consume healthier than processed junk foods is always ours.

 

Your food craving list is interesting - what popped into my awareness was the foods you mention are all orange and red. Vibrationally these symbolise many things depending on which doctrine we look to, but esoterically orange is ‘renunciation’, in ego-duality it’s akin to energised forceful passion - it reminded me of the orange jumpsuits of prison inmates representing both these states of being - their imprisonment caused by overt forceful passion actions leading to them being in a condition of renunciation - imprisonment - apart from the ‘everyday world’. 
Of course, much of our ego journey towards Truth is about shedding the dual passion being - which you may do a lot, and therefore orange foods vibrationally are attracting and craved by you.
 

Milk symbolically screams nurturing to me - is white - primordial source nurturing. The centre of Being. Of course nutritionally its the first food source all mammals receive to grow into being. Its a powerful nutrient dense food source for a tiny being to grow. I would ask you if you feel exhausted, and to consider chopping out excess mundane life stuff so you can focus on self-nurturing , whatever that is for you. 
 

Red is prime colour too of creation - creation energy - grounding - beef is densely grounding for the body, watermelon more of a emotional grounding refreshing grounding. Vibrationally you may need red food if you dont express the passions you want to, or in the way you want to. Its filtering out of you in other ways. Also if exhausted some red dense foods could be vibrationally needed. 
 

Red onion is interesting - its antibacterial - especially if craved raw - maybe your gut has a slight infection that needs clearing with onion - or maybe extrapolate antibacterial vibrations to life - are there any actions/environments/people in your life you have to deal with that are toxic for you?
 

When i look at foods i consider all their attributes - their known nutritional supply, their colour hence their vibration, and how they relate to our body/mind complex in our life.

I was always intrigued by my own food cravings, as theyd be so weird - so have come to understand them better vibrationally aswell as nutritionally.

 

 

[Mr H]

54 minutes ago, BeeThrive said:

Yes, understanding the ‘nature’ of the craving is the tricky bit, that takes a bit of practice to discern.

 

Usually, the cravings that are obscure, like you mention carrots - when you really really just need to eat carrots, thats a somatic body call outside of ‘ego desire’ foods.

 

When we crave food groups, like you mention bread/carbs - that indicates a need for starch/enegy - and its fast digestible energy too. Which is why we’re prone to snacking on chocolate bars full of sugar for quick energy.

With these type of cravings, i then decide the healthiest choice for say, fast energy - and will choose a banana instead of chocolate bar. The choice to consume healthier than processed junk foods is always ours.

 

Your food craving list is interesting - what popped into my awareness was the foods you mention are all orange and red. Vibrationally these symbolise many things depending on which doctrine we look to, but esoterically orange is ‘renunciation’, in ego-duality it’s akin to energised forceful passion - it reminded me of the orange jumpsuits of prison inmates representing both these states of being - their imprisonment caused by overt forceful passion actions leading to them being in a condition of renunciation - imprisonment - apart from the ‘everyday world’. 
Of course, much of our ego journey towards Truth is about shedding the dual passion being - which you may do a lot, and therefore orange foods vibrationally are attracting and craved by you.
 

Milk symbolically screams nurturing to me - is white - primordial source nurturing. The centre of Being. Of course nutritionally its the first food source all mammals receive to grow into being. Its a powerful nutrient dense food source for a tiny being to grow. I would ask you if you feel exhausted, and to consider chopping out excess mundane life stuff so you can focus on self-nurturing , whatever that is for you. 
 

Red is prime colour too of creation - creation energy - grounding - beef is densely grounding for the body, watermelon more of a emotional grounding refreshing grounding. Vibrationally you may need red food if you dont express the passions you want to, or in the way you want to. Its filtering out of you in other ways. Also if exhausted some red dense foods could be vibrationally needed. 
 

Red onion is interesting - its antibacterial - especially if craved raw - maybe your gut has a slight infection that needs clearing with onion - or maybe extrapolate antibacterial vibrations to life - are there any actions/environments/people in your life you have to deal with that are toxic for you?
 

When i look at foods i consider all their attributes - their known nutritional supply, their colour hence their vibration, and how they relate to our body/mind complex in our life.

I was always intrigued by my own food cravings, as theyd be so weird - so have come to understand them better vibrationally aswell as nutritionally.

 

 

Fascinating analysis I didn't realize about the colours being the same.

 

Yes I've been sleep deprived recently due to environment which I'm changing next month so I feel utterly exhausted at the moment.

 

And spot on, I have been planning to implement my passions but have procrastinated in taking action past few months.

 

Nurturing is interesting because I basically isolated myself in the jungle and have been craving interaction and connection - also another reason for my change in environment which is a bit more normal with other people around.

 

I don't have a stomach infection but I developed infection in prostate immediately after my father died which I've been managing but I have not fully dealt with the guilt surrounding his death - he was one of those that was chucked out of hospital left to die in the care home during covid - I feel I should have protected him more and not have let them take him.

 

I didn't know you could tell so much about people stories from the food they eat.

[BeeThrive]

On 1/2/2023 at 10:21 PM, Mr H said:

Fascinating analysis I didn't realize about the colours being the same.

 

Yes I've been sleep deprived recently due to environment which I'm changing next month so I feel utterly exhausted at the moment.

 

And spot on, I have been planning to implement my passions but have procrastinated in taking action past few months.

 

Nurturing is interesting because I basically isolated myself in the jungle and have been craving interaction and connection - also another reason for my change in environment which is a bit more normal with other people around.

 

I don't have a stomach infection but I developed infection in prostate immediately after my father died which I've been managing but I have not fully dealt with the guilt surrounding his death - he was one of those that was chucked out of hospital left to die in the care home during covid - I feel I should have protected him more and not have let them take him.

 

I didn't know you could tell so much about people stories from the food they eat.

Wow, you’re in the jungle! That could explain a lot.

 

Is it how i imagine? - damp but humid, surrounded by greenery, and jungle noises constantly?

 

This helps explain moreso, from a vibrational level, why you’d crave red/orange coloured foods. 
This vibrational understanding is on the premise that “everything is energy, we’re experiencing (some) life in a dualistic reality, for there to be ‘order out of seeming chaos’, everything in the universe ‘’arranges’ itself vibrationally equal/balanced/whole” - if this didnt happen, then we’d truly witness chaos - literal splitting apart of material worlds.

 

From Tesla’s words of ‘if we understood the universe energetically, we’d advance more in 10 years than we have in 1000yrs’ - or something to that effect. 
 

Everything is seeking ‘wholeness’ - i love the buddhist description of the rainbow body being the ‘supreme wholeness condition’ attained - transforming ourselves completely energetically to encompass the whole ‘rainbow spectrum’ of reality - that fuses, transforms back into white light, body no longer physical, leaving behind just the dead cells that cannot be transformed: body hair, nails and dead skin cells ‘dust’. Essentially the journey returning to Source Being.

 

Colours are vibrations as we know. So if our outer environment is extreme in balance like living amongst forest/wilderness of green - on the colour wheel, red and orange are the opposite colours to green/blue. So it makes sense we’d crave foods on the red/orange spectrum when drenched in an environment of green, as by balancing the ‘colours in our life - i.e vibrations - we feel more ‘whole’.

 

 

Here’s the colour wheel for reference:

 

 

It’s only by living in ‘extreme’ environments can such cravings be very strong. Im similar in that i moved to the wilderness thats very green, rains a lot: cold, not much sunshine. Since being here my diet has radically changed - and im consuming chili more than i ever have in my whole life! I absolutely love red and orange sweet peppers, bananas, tomatoes - to get as much ‘warmth’ vibration in my life to balance out the extreme green/cold/wet. I love dry foods! Crackers, nuts. My uk diet was more of a mix seasonally as my suburban environment was a mix of vibrations.

Since moving that all changed. I needed to understand this deeper, and vibrational-reality understanding has condensed out of me asking why. 
 

Another aspect is our personal vibrational ‘constitution’ as to how well we naturally suit an environment. Astrology helps answer body/psyche constitutional questions as it shows how much earth, water, air, and fire we each have.

I have a dominant water constitution which is yin, and living in a forestry/green damp, cold rainy climate is also a yin environment. Moving here double-dosed my life with soooo much yin energy - it’s no wonder that red and orange foods, personality attributes have come to be craved deeply and expressed potently while living here. Some people would say i’ve completely changed, yet we are malleable to these very strong outer forces like climate and environment because their influence is sooo strong, surrounding us 24/7. 
Before i lived in the driest area of the uk - much more sunshine and mix of nature/town life. Suited my ‘constitution’ much better - yet environments like californian weather suit me much much more because i am so heavily yin in constitution. Yet the desert, dry and arid is vastly contrasting yin i’d have to be absolutely yin to manage living there.

 

There is likely dominant aspects of yourself that craves the jungle for balance - and to add other aspects to life there, if you can, would help you feel more balanced. Diet cravings is the ‘fast method’ to balance such an experience in an extreme environment. That was the first thing i noticed moving here. My sleep needs altered too. I have had to introduce more yang elements like instal literal log burning fires everywhere. Dry out my living space! Im more dominant physically with work moreso than ever, to balance the passive yin contractive energy. 
 

There’s another aspect to earth locations that is ultra potent to determining our experience there. Again based on astrology, certain countries will ‘bring to life’ certain parts of our birth chart, making those specific planets/houses and aspects dominate our life. Again, the consideration of our vibrational constitution, and where on the globe we move, yields a vibratory field of experience. We all wish to feel ‘whole’ - some places are better for that than others. Astrolocality isn’t practiced much by many cookbook astrologers because theyve not studied it. Those that have reveal remarkable information, that i also corroborate with my globe-trotting experiences, and that of others i know. 
If you’d like me to look at your astro map, pm me, and i can give you a copy of your personal astro map.

 

 

 

[Mr H]

32 minutes ago, BeeThrive said:

Wow, you’re in the jungle! That could explain a lot.

 

Is it how i imagine? - damp but humid, surrounded by greenery, and jungle noises constantly?

 

This helps explain moreso, from a vibrational level, why you’d crave red/orange coloured foods. 
This vibrational understanding is on the premise that “everything is energy, we’re experiencing (some) life in a dualistic reality, for there to be ‘order out of seeming chaos’, everything in the universe ‘’arranges’ itself vibrationally equal/balanced/whole” - if this didnt happen, then we’d truly witness chaos - literal splitting apart of material worlds.

 

From Tesla’s words of ‘if we understood the universe energetically, we’d advance more in 10 years than we have in 1000yrs’ - or something to that effect. 
 

Everything is seeking ‘wholeness’ - i love the buddhist description of the rainbow body being the ‘supreme wholeness condition’ attained - transforming ourselves completely energetically to encompass the whole ‘rainbow spectrum’ of reality - that fuses, transforms back into white light, body no longer physical, leaving behind just the dead cells that cannot be transformed: body hair, nails and dead skin cells ‘dust’. Essentially the journey returning to Source Being.

 

Colours are vibrations as we know. So if our outer environment is extreme in balance like living amongst forest/wilderness of green - on the colour wheel, red and orange are the opposite colours to green/blue. So it makes sense we’d crave foods on the red/orange spectrum when drenched in an environment of green, as by balancing the ‘colours in our life - i.e vibrations - we feel more ‘whole’.

 

 

Here’s the colour wheel for reference:

 

 

It’s only by living in ‘extreme’ environments can such cravings be very strong. Im similar in that i moved to the wilderness thats very green, rains a lot: cold, not much sunshine. Since being here my diet has radically changed - and im consuming chili more than i ever have in my whole life! I absolutely love red and orange sweet peppers, bananas, tomatoes - to get as much ‘warmth’ vibration in my life to balance out the extreme green/cold/wet. I love dry foods! Crackers, nuts. My uk diet was more of a mix seasonally as my suburban environment was a mix of vibrations.

Since moving that all changed. I needed to understand this deeper, and vibrational-reality understanding has condensed out of me asking why. 
 

Another aspect is our personal vibrational ‘constitution’ as to how well we naturally suit an environment. Astrology helps answer body/psyche constitutional questions as it shows how much earth, water, air, and fire we each have.

I have a dominant water constitution which is yin, and living in a forestry/green damp, cold rainy climate is also a yin environment. Moving here double-dosed my life with soooo much yin energy - it’s no wonder that red and orange foods, personality attributes have come to be craved deeply and expressed potently while living here. Some people would say i’ve completely changed, yet we are malleable to these very strong outer forces like climate and environment because their influence is sooo strong, surrounding us 24/7. 
Before i lived in the driest area of the uk - much more sunshine and mix of nature/town life. Suited my ‘constitution’ much better - yet environments like californian weather suit me much much more because i am so heavily yin in constitution. Yet the desert, dry and arid is vastly contrasting yin i’d have to be absolutely yin to manage living there.

 

There is likely dominant aspects of yourself that craves the jungle for balance - and to add other aspects to life there, if you can, would help you feel more balanced. Diet cravings is the ‘fast method’ to balance such an experience in an extreme environment. That was the first thing i noticed moving here. My sleep needs altered too. I have had to introduce more yang elements like instal literal log burning fires everywhere. Dry out my living space! Im more dominant physically with work moreso than ever, to balance the passive yin contractive energy. 
 

There’s another aspect to earth locations that is ultra potent to determining our experience there. Again based on astrology, certain countries will ‘bring to life’ certain parts of our birth chart, making those specific planets/houses and aspects dominate our life. Again, the consideration of our vibrational constitution, and where on the globe we move, yields a vibratory field of experience. We all wish to feel ‘whole’ - some places are better for that than others. Astrolocality isn’t practiced much by many cookbook astrologers because theyve not studied it. Those that have reveal remarkable information, that i also corroborate with my globe-trotting experiences, and that of others i know. 
If you’d like me to look at your astro map, pm me, and i can give you a copy of your personal astro map.

 

 

 

It is extremely humid and extremely hot, and noisey early in the morning. We have a family of howler monkeys so they wake you up early and everyone has roosters too. Things like water supply is intermittent and crazy amount of bugs and snakes. but on the plus side lots of natural beauty and is peaceful during the day. People are super nice and chilled and it's very safe, everyone takes care of each other. Lots of delicious fruits all around you won't go hungry here for sure.

 

Yes I've found out that my body is not naturally suited to the jungle and am moving to the mountains next month to see if that suits better. The humidity drains my energy.

 

That's an awesome offer I will definitely ping you. Thank you.

 

 

[DaleP]

So are you on Ketogenic diet now Mr H?

 

I need help and I feel really depressed about it.....that I have to kick my crack cocain habit.

well not really but weaponized wheat to be exact. :(

Something came to me as I asked to improve my health and as it happens I found a name for my ailment and it clicked loudly.

I'm 'eat anything' kind of person but of course I wouldn't eat a monkey.

Life without carb, wheat would be so boring..... I don't like salad btw.