War in heaven

[sock muppet]

3 hours ago, webtrekker said:

instill fear for nefarious purposes.

 

Or an instruction manual on how to overcome those fears, then grow up, by standing for something you believe in, look there's an ocean, oh no we must drown, or look there's an ocean, groovy man i'm gonna go for a swim, now where's the swimming manual,

[sock muppet]

36 minutes ago, gazap said:

But there were tidbits shared within it which seemed to connect the dots about what we have experienced as a planet since 1988. Thats what was worrying

 

So what happened to the beginning of time then, why 1988, why is this date so important if you don't mind me asking?

[BeeThrive]

33 minutes ago, gazap said:

Thank you all for your replies. I was just wondering if there were any others who had read the book. It certainly is steeped in fear and makes one feel quite hopeless. But there were tidbits shared within it which seemed to connect the dots about what we have experienced as a planet since 1988. Thats what was worrying

It depends what your belief system is, before reading the book, how much the material worries you. 
 

I can understand if a person thought that life is living in this world, then we die and go to heaven worlds, then reincarnate, is all Reality is about, would find the book quite disturbing to read about astral planes of ‘trickster’ type spirits, that try to recruit you for their purposes. 

But that is nothing new to us, as that mirrors earth life - all types of groups try to lure us to join their agenda, to give the group more ‘power’ via our support, money, energy etc. 

The only difference between earth and astral beings - is they can easily shapeshift to appear to be something theyre not, yet us as physical beings cant do that so easily - although plenty have a ‘social mask’ of character they ‘act out’ that doesnt express their whole persona.

 

But like in life on earth - there ARE good spirits/souls people everywhere too in astral zones. 
Like life here - allow the heart to guide you, intuition, wherever and whatever circumstance we find ourselves in.

 

The book gives some insight into lower astral planes, and really does not delve into the whole picture of other dimensions. 
Fear vibration is a lower astral plane reality. 
Fear is an interesting part of our ego, and life will try to get us to ‘face our fears’. It has a purpose, because when we do ‘go through’ our fears, and annihilate them, we ‘free-up’ spiritual energy of expression. ‘Cleansing’ the soul.
Our fears are imaginations of our mind, much like this life is in effect, a co-creative dream we’re all dreaming together. The lower astral planes are the lower ego parts of self expression like fear, greed, hate, power, control etc.. Once they are ‘let go of’ by the mind/spirit complex, and we reach higher (look up as stated earlier in the thread), we no longer attract lower astral zones/spirits. 
 

Courage of heart is required, on earth and anywhere else we may find ourselves. Self-governance is key to not having anything/one abuse our own free-will.

 

If you can shed the whole of your lower -ego attributes at death, you’ll bypass all the astral zones of lower ego.
Just like on earth if youve got over weekend binging and partying, you’ll walk past the nightclub and wont be attracted to enter. In fact, in astral planes, you wont ever perceive a nightclub because its no longer part of your being. 
We ‘project’ reality. Like attracts like. Especially in astral zones. 
Once we really do ‘extinguish’ in ourselves the lower ego-attributes, like needing to be liked, wanting to eat cake, wanting to be successful etc we have literally shed that ego part of self, and cannot experience the realities or people associated with those aspects we’ve ‘gone beyond’. 
 

 

The 7 hermetic principles are Universal Laws which govern ALL and any manifest realm. 

Theyre useful to know about.

youtube has lots of videos about it. There’s also the book version audiobook by ‘the three initiates’ thats 3 hours long, that delves deeper into them.

 

All of life is ‘contracts’.

Individual beings of whatever flavour of life, commit universal law crimes when they force another, without agreement, to anything.

Life on earth is full of contracts. We dont receive any service without contract to sign. 

Suffering and conflict on earth is due to ‘unspoken’ or ‘unagreed’ contracts between people. 
Friends fall-out because one expected something from another without actual verbal agreement. The friend with expectations and in the wrong, will also project their anger at the other friend for not complying to their ‘terms’ that they never explained to their friend, nor got agreement from. This is a ‘lower ego’ issue of power and control. Wanting without agreement, is a lower astral realm trait. 
 

Your permission is required in all realms, just like on earth. 
The threat of global mandates for the vaccine was a red herring, as all governments would have self-destructed if they had forced vaccines. The very control they love to wield, would have been taken from them, by breaking universal free-will law of agreement, and forcing vaccines on people. The power would have been transferred to the people and there would have been a world-wide riot.
IF they really understood the wisdom from their ol’ boy lodges, which most dont, they would have known they cannot force anything on anyone, without dire consequences. (With any action, there’s a re-action)

Those nations that went a more forceful route has allowed the truth of the damage of vaccines to become known, allowed the truth of no safe trial data to be known mainstream.
“The truth will out” - always.  
 

Living from the heart does not mean give compliance to all to have your energy. It means living from a place of acceptance and wisdom, that all life contains all forms of expression, which we like to categorize as ‘good and evil’ - but really, its all just consciousness expressing itself.

 

 

 

[novymir]

I've not read the book, but am familiar with the basic premises. Basically these things are a sort of black magic to capture people's mind/consciousness in fearful ideas and outcomes. It's somewhat paradoxical, in that this dream is ruled by deceit, so, these things can be operative within it, they may be operative in different forms or formulations, but it's not real nor true, it's all designed to maintain the illusion-fantasy of separation and lies. Unconsciousness.

So the seeming paradox is that they're all bullshit, but they may be in our unconsciousness, operating below awareness, which is what this dream is---unconsciousness of Reality-Truth--- we can't really refute and reject them all individually, or specifically, they'll just keep popping up, so it needs to be done generally.

With AUTHORITY= THE TRUTH.

 

There are many words that are interchangeable with "evil". And none of them represent TRUTH.

Stupid is one. So is weak. So is fiction. They're all the same. Evil. Unimpressive. Limited. Pathetic. Artificial. Dead.

 

Make this your frame of reference, in spite of seeming evidence to the contrary:

 

A paging through of  "A Course In Miracles" may be useful as well.

 

 

 

 

 

[peter]

5 hours ago, sock muppet said:

oh no we must drown, or look there's an ocean, groovy man i'm gonna go for a swim, now where's the swimming manual,

Or ,oh crap I didn't see the shark

[gazap]

11 hours ago, peter said:

Forget about the book DMT or mushrooms is the way to go, don't read about it ,experience it for yourself.

 

If I had the means I probably would. My problem is that I took a peak near the rabbit hole, and it feels as if someone's given me a right boot up the arse and Im falling deeper and deeper.

 

I regret ever researching this stuff now! I guess you could say that ignorance is bliss

[gazap]

10 hours ago, alexa said:

 

Your soul is conscious energy but as you know energy cannot die, it can only be changed, (you shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye) 1 Corinthians 15:51  this energy belongs to God our creator who created us, the earth, heavens, the sun, moon etc .

 

Your soul will never die! And if you don't believe the Bible maybe try reading one of your books you recommended 'Beyond Biocentricism' by Robert Lanza chapter 17.

 

1 Corinthians 15:51

 

 

 

I wish I could believe this, but I don't. I can't agree with any readings from religion due to its history of control over the masses for centuries. Please dont take this as me questioning your faith, because my guess is as good as anyone's and everyone has a right to believe what they wish. It's just that I don't believe in religions

[gazap]

6 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

To remind us that it's not all about just you or me, much more than that going on that's for sure,

I wonder if disclosure will ever happen. If so, then for what purpose? There's always a nefarious reason because I doubt that any 'white hat' faction has asserted control over this earth. I've read a few papers from scientists claiming that the universe is a hologram. If that idea could become more mainstream, then we could start asking the proper questions and joining the dots i.e. who is the projector? Why is this an illusion? Is it then true that we are in fact in a prison planet/universe?

[gazap]

5 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

So what happened to the beginning of time then, why 1988, why is this date so important if you don't mind me asking?

I'm happy for you to ask whatever you want. That year has no significance, but there were bits in the book that seemed to align with more modern 'secrets' of these so-called shadow groups. Obviously, this means nothing because I have not mentioned what links where. I didnt make notes so I cant pinpoint these 'connecting the dots moments'. This is of no use to you I know and I apologise for that. I have early onset of motor neuron disease so brain fog and bodily tremors make it hard for me to remember things and to communicate effectively. All I would say is read the book. It's a big ask I know, but only then would you maybe make sense of what Im trying to convey.

 

With love

Gareth 

[gazap]

5 hours ago, BeeThrive said:

It depends what your belief system is, before reading the book, how much the material worries you. 
 

I can understand if a person thought that life is living in this world, then we die and go to heaven worlds, then reincarnate, is all Reality is about, would find the book quite disturbing to read about astral planes of ‘trickster’ type spirits, that try to recruit you for their purposes. 

But that is nothing new to us, as that mirrors earth life - all types of groups try to lure us to join their agenda, to give the group more ‘power’ via our support, money, energy etc. 

The only difference between earth and astral beings - is they can easily shapeshift to appear to be something theyre not, yet us as physical beings cant do that so easily - although plenty have a ‘social mask’ of character they ‘act out’ that doesnt express their whole persona.

 

But like in life on earth - there ARE good spirits/souls people everywhere too in astral zones. 
Like life here - allow the heart to guide you, intuition, wherever and whatever circumstance we find ourselves in.

 

The book gives some insight into lower astral planes, and really does not delve into the whole picture of other dimensions. 
Fear vibration is a lower astral plane reality. 
Fear is an interesting part of our ego, and life will try to get us to ‘face our fears’. It has a purpose, because when we do ‘go through’ our fears, and annihilate them, we ‘free-up’ spiritual energy of expression. ‘Cleansing’ the soul.
Our fears are imaginations of our mind, much like this life is in effect, a co-creative dream we’re all dreaming together. The lower astral planes are the lower ego parts of self expression like fear, greed, hate, power, control etc.. Once they are ‘let go of’ by the mind/spirit complex, and we reach higher (look up as stated earlier in the thread), we no longer attract lower astral zones/spirits. 
 

Courage of heart is required, on earth and anywhere else we may find ourselves. Self-governance is key to not having anything/one abuse our own free-will.

 

If you can shed the whole of your lower -ego attributes at death, you’ll bypass all the astral zones of lower ego.
Just like on earth if youve got over weekend binging and partying, you’ll walk past the nightclub and wont be attracted to enter. In fact, in astral planes, you wont ever perceive a nightclub because its no longer part of your being. 
We ‘project’ reality. Like attracts like. Especially in astral zones. 
Once we really do ‘extinguish’ in ourselves the lower ego-attributes, like needing to be liked, wanting to eat cake, wanting to be successful etc we have literally shed that ego part of self, and cannot experience the realities or people associated with those aspects we’ve ‘gone beyond’. 
 

 

The 7 hermetic principles are Universal Laws which govern ALL and any manifest realm. 

Theyre useful to know about.

youtube has lots of videos about it. There’s also the book version audiobook by ‘the three initiates’ thats 3 hours long, that delves deeper into them.

 

All of life is ‘contracts’.

Individual beings of whatever flavour of life, commit universal law crimes when they force another, without agreement, to anything.

Life on earth is full of contracts. We dont receive any service without contract to sign. 

Suffering and conflict on earth is due to ‘unspoken’ or ‘unagreed’ contracts between people. 
Friends fall-out because one expected something from another without actual verbal agreement. The friend with expectations and in the wrong, will also project their anger at the other friend for not complying to their ‘terms’ that they never explained to their friend, nor got agreement from. This is a ‘lower ego’ issue of power and control. Wanting without agreement, is a lower astral realm trait. 
 

Your permission is required in all realms, just like on earth. 
The threat of global mandates for the vaccine was a red herring, as all governments would have self-destructed if they had forced vaccines. The very control they love to wield, would have been taken from them, by breaking universal free-will law of agreement, and forcing vaccines on people. The power would have been transferred to the people and there would have been a world-wide riot.
IF they really understood the wisdom from their ol’ boy lodges, which most dont, they would have known they cannot force anything on anyone, without dire consequences. (With any action, there’s a re-action)

Those nations that went a more forceful route has allowed the truth of the damage of vaccines to become known, allowed the truth of no safe trial data to be known mainstream.
“The truth will out” - always.  
 

Living from the heart does not mean give compliance to all to have your energy. It means living from a place of acceptance and wisdom, that all life contains all forms of expression, which we like to categorize as ‘good and evil’ - but really, its all just consciousness expressing itself.

 

 

 

thank you for your well-thought-out reply, it means a lot.

 

Prior to this, I simply believed in the notion of living your life through struggles, learning from them in the afterlife and then preparing for another incarnation. Looking back, I feel it was somewhat naive. I will not give my consent to anyone in the astral. What I do fear is 'floating about', not knowing where Im going, only to fall into a state of madness. 

 

There are also so many conflicting ideas and thoughts, it is hard to discern. Wes penre is an example of someone whose views are contrary to mine. He however is a seasoned researcher in his field, I am not. I have only read a few books and if I liked what I heard, then I believed it. His research is exemplary and I cannot ever equal his level of research and intellect. Another is this book which I read:

 

https://archive.org/details/moksha-from-earth.-freedom-from-archons-reincarnation-traps-soul-traps-and-false-light-heavens/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater

 

a very in depth dive into this topic.

 

Thank you again for you input, I really appreciate it

 

 

[gazap]

1 hour ago, novymir said:

I've not read the book, but am familiar with the basic premises. Basically these things are a sort of black magic to capture people's mind/consciousness in fearful ideas and outcomes. It's somewhat paradoxical, in that this dream is ruled by deceit, so, these things can be operative within it, they may be operative in different forms or formulations, but it's not real nor true, it's all designed to maintain the illusion-fantasy of separation and lies. Unconsciousness.

So the seeming paradox is that they're all bullshit, but they may be in our unconsciousness, operating below awareness, which is what this dream is---unconsciousness of Reality-Truth--- we can't really refute and reject them all individually, or specifically, they'll just keep popping up, so it needs to be done generally.

With AUTHORITY= THE TRUTH.

 

There are many words that are interchangeable with "evil". And none of them represent TRUTH.

Stupid is one. So is weak. So is fiction. They're all the same. Evil. Unimpressive. Limited. Pathetic. Artificial. Dead.

 

Make this your frame of reference, in spite of seeming evidence to the contrary:

 

A paging through of  "A Course In Miracles" may be useful as well.

 

 

 

 

 

thank you for your reply. This book is certainly occult heavy and there's a sense of uneasiness about it. Talking about becoming accustomed to occult practices made me feel uncomfortable. You're made to feel that if you stand any chance whatsoever, then you must obtain these psychic abilities to fight the 'theocrats'.

 

thanks for your input

[gazap]

there's a summary of the book here. I would suggest that you read it. It will make more sense to this thread:

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III_notes.htm

 

thanks

 

 

[sock muppet]

3 hours ago, peter said:

Or ,oh crap I didn't see the shark

 

RTFM, no fukin excuses! 

[sock muppet]

3 hours ago, gazap said:

I'm happy for you to ask whatever you want. That year has no significance, but there were bits in the book that seemed to align with more modern 'secrets' of these so-called shadow groups. Obviously, this means nothing because I have not mentioned what links where. I didnt make notes so I cant pinpoint these 'connecting the dots moments'. This is of no use to you I know and I apologise for that. I have early onset of motor neuron disease so brain fog and bodily tremors make it hard for me to remember things and to communicate effectively. All I would say is read the book. It's a big ask I know, but only then would you maybe make sense of what Im trying to convey.

 

With love

Gareth 

 

So sorry to read of your predicament, shadow groups, gotcha, they do love their numerology and other stuff, they think it gives extra meaning to the thing that they do, personally i'm late for everything, 

[sock muppet]

3 hours ago, gazap said:

I've read a few papers from scientists claiming that the universe is a hologram

 

It is holographic in terms of Data, Data only becomes information when it is viewed by conscious self aware beings like you and me, and forms a feed back loop.

 

3 hours ago, gazap said:

then we could start asking the proper questions and joining the dots i.e. who is the projector?

 

Quantum Physics answers this, the projector would be the singularity in the beginning, let there be light moment.

 

3 hours ago, gazap said:

Why is this an illusion? Is it then true that we are in fact in a prison planet/universe?

 

Not an illusion it is very real, just stub your toe on the bathroom door late at night, don't get more real than that, Not a prison, but a journey of discovery, a time train if you will, next stop who knows, with love in your heart, let the imagination run wild, 

[peter]

6 hours ago, gazap said:

regret ever researching this stuff now! I guess you could say that ignorance is bliss

If you keep your head in the sand ,that still leaves your ass hanging in the breeze

[BeeThrive]

7 hours ago, gazap said:

thank you for your well-thought-out reply, it means a lot.

 

Prior to this, I simply believed in the notion of living your life through struggles, learning from them in the afterlife and then preparing for another incarnation. Looking back, I feel it was somewhat naive. I will not give my consent to anyone in the astral. What I do fear is 'floating about', not knowing where Im going, only to fall into a state of madness. 

 

There are also so many conflicting ideas and thoughts, it is hard to discern. Wes penre is an example of someone whose views are contrary to mine. He however is a seasoned researcher in his field, I am not. I have only read a few books and if I liked what I heard, then I believed it. His research is exemplary and I cannot ever equal his level of research and intellect. Another is this book which I read:

 

https://archive.org/details/moksha-from-earth.-freedom-from-archons-reincarnation-traps-soul-traps-and-false-light-heavens/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater

 

a very in depth dive into this topic.

 

Thank you again for you input, I really appreciate it

 

 

 

The heart of each person i’ve EVER met in this life wants and searches for the same thing.
It’s always displayed and expressed in different ways, but the one thing every single one of humanity loves is the same ‘thing’.

I’m not going to spell it out, because i know you and every single person knows within themselves what they yearn for the most. 
It would be the same yearning whether we were on this earth, or another planet, or in any material or non-material realm. 
The epi-centre of our beings is exactly the same in all.

Many recognise it, but there’s many that dont consciously know it, yet their actions show it. 
I believe we’re all travelling to this epi-centre destination - all via different paths, currently some 8 billion paths are walked, all truly wanting this 1 destination. 
 

This is proven by all those who are so rich and famous yet many so desperately unhappy still, because without ‘Realising’ this 1 thing, all the money in the world and all the fans platitudes are meaningless if they dont ‘find, experience’ this 1 thing. 

Many are under the illusion this 1 thing can be bought. We all search for it ‘out there’ in the world. Ironically it’s at the centre of each and all.

 

I mentioned the Hermetic Principles - The Kybalion by the three initiates goes in depth about these 7 Universal Laws that govern all manifest realms.

The first Law is “The All is Mind” - this is important to note because you’ll find that whatever any mind thinks to want/create, eventually manifests - IF it doesnt violate the 7 universal laws, and free-will.
Mind creates. 
 

Another Law is “like attracts like”

 

I wanted to make the point when reading any esoteric/occult material researchers material, that their mind ideas about anything will attract likewise data to ‘back-up’ their ideas. Oftentimes when we view with an unbiased mind and critical analytical mind, the perception of data can be interpreted in various ways, and it always depends on the ‘minds view’ and current belief system, how they interpret that data. 
Many times ive read explanations from authors about scriptures that are so far off-topic from the data i am absolutely baffled how their minds came to the conclusions they do regarding the data. Its like they give the answer 5, when asked what 2+2 is.
When we understand their conditioned ego belief systems, then the material they present makes more sense how they would view data in the way they do. Their world-view is shaped by their belief system, and we can all find some data somewhere to back-up our theiry.

 

Kyle - went another route for his data - psychic channelling. It’s interesting to note the first 70 pages of his book details his belief system about the world, much of it based on fiction literature he read that had occultish overtones to it, aswell as what other occult authors had written that aligned with his already established beliefs, and his mind has been on that ‘train’ for a few decades before he ‘attracted’ from the astral realm a ‘spirit’ who would basically tell him info that coincidentally aligned with his already established belief system. 
“Like attracts like” - whether between 2 incarnate human people, or between an incarnated and a disembodied consciousness. 
 

Im not saying all his material is untrue, and complete BS, but he himself is of a mind that is of a belief system that most of life/death is full of corruption and tricksters. His mind belief system doesnt allow much, if any space for trust, friendship, unity of people. It’s all cloak and dagger type ‘watch yer back’ out there information, that really isn’t helpful, as the ego is fearful enough as it is.

 

Many like jung would say he’s projecting his fears out into the world instead of integrating them and becoming a true sovereign whole being.

 

Some authors swing the other way completely and channel how there is only perfect unity of the most high love waiting in heaven for all, and wont allow any talk of fear.

 

It’s all lower ego stuff, swinging like a monkey between love/hate/fear.

 

I think this is why buddha spoke of the ‘middle way’….because when we are calm and centred can our ‘consciousness system’ be in the best position to discern any and all situations. We dont act our of fear, and we dont act out of desperate needing. We read more clearly the reality we find ourselves in. 

 

Wes’ material is absolutely deep rabbit hole stuff! I was into that a few years back. 
We read stuff that resonates with our ego belief system and like it, but we need to read stuff that resonates with our heart, and whole being-ness, aswell as mind. Truth resonates on deeper levels than just ego mind. 
 

We do tend to search ‘out there’ for answers but truly, the one sentiment i can whole-heartedly share is: “be still, quiet, be with yourself and go within yourself for the answers you need, your whole beingness knows, as the whole universe is in all of us”. 
You may have dreams giving you info from your wisdom consciousness, you may find someone gets in touch who will be good for your path, you may be urged to try something new that helps your healing, you can invite into your life whatever you want. Knowing YOURSELF and your true wants can only be clearly known when we sit with ourselves, commune with ourselves, silently asking Self whatever we like. 
 

Trust Your Self, for You within knows best

 

[BeeThrive]

1 hour ago, peter said:

If you keep your head in the sand ,that still leaves your ass hanging in the breeze

Oh god, thanks for that chuckle!  

[BeeThrive]

On 12/30/2022 at 8:31 PM, gazap said:

thank you for your well-thought-out reply, it means a lot.

 

Prior to this, I simply believed in the notion of living your life through struggles, learning from them in the afterlife and then preparing for another incarnation. Looking back, I feel it was somewhat naive. I will not give my consent to anyone in the astral. What I do fear is 'floating about', not knowing where Im going, only to fall into a state of madness. 

 

There are also so many conflicting ideas and thoughts, it is hard to discern. Wes penre is an example of someone whose views are contrary to mine. He however is a seasoned researcher in his field, I am not. I have only read a few books and if I liked what I heard, then I believed it. His research is exemplary and I cannot ever equal his level of research and intellect. Another is this book which I read:

 

https://archive.org/details/moksha-from-earth.-freedom-from-archons-reincarnation-traps-soul-traps-and-false-light-heavens/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater

 

a very in depth dive into this topic.

 

Thank you again for you input, I really appreciate it

 

 

Hey gazap,

 

The archive.org link you provided isnt working for me on any browser - but my internet is working fine for everything else. I get ‘cant establish secure connection to server’ type of message.

 

Can you re-post the link please and ill have another go?

[gazap]

1 hour ago, BeeThrive said:

Hey gazap,

 

The archive.org link you provided isnt working for me on any browser - but my internet is working fine for everything else. I get ‘cant establish secure connection to server’ type of message.

 

Can you re-post the link please and ill have another go?

No problem. I've attempted to download it here as a pdf but Im not allowed to attach a pdf. I'll happily send it to your email if your happy to share it?

 

Let me know what you think.

 

 

Thanks

Gareth

 

 

[webtrekker]

1 hour ago, BeeThrive said:

Hey gazap,

 

The archive.org link you provided isnt working for me on any browser - but my internet is working fine for everything else. I get ‘cant establish secure connection to server’ type of message.

 

Can you re-post the link please and ill have another go?

 

Are you using an Apple device? The link works fine on my WIn10 PC on any browser.

 

 

 

[BeeThrive]

31 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

Are you using an Apple device? The link works fine on my WIn10 PC on any browser.

 

 

 

Yes apple…this rarely happens but sometimes does…never knew it was a device issue, usually its just safari issue and i switch to chrome and load links fine, but not this time.

 

Is there anyway around it on an apple device? 
 

1 hour ago, gazap said:

No problem. I've attempted to download it here as a pdf but Im not allowed to attach a pdf. I'll happily send it to your email if your happy to share it?

 

Let me know what you think.

 

 

Thanks

Gareth

 

 

 

Thanks for the offer gazap  ill switch to my win10 machine and get the link, i use the apple for lightweight browsing, luckily didnt ditch microsoft altogether!

[BeeThrive]

Scanning through the book again, really the epitome of the premise of the book is condensed into the last 2 paragraphs of the book, that really, when we consider it, is what D.Icke’s work has been about and the thrust of the mentality of the members on this forum and other forums of a similar flavour:

 

“What then does the Invisible College want people to do to assist in winning the War in Heaven?
The most important thing you can do if you agree with the basic thesis of this book is to ensure your own survival after death, by avoiding all forms of Theocratic mind control and by developing as much conscious control over your psychic powers as you can.

Stay away from religious and occult groups that practice religious mind control, and don’t become addicted to popular music or the electronic media; but do work with occult or New Age groups that teach people how to take charge of their own spiritual destiny.

 

War In Heaven contains many negative, frightening ideas, but it is essentially a positive book. It is very probable that the Invisible College will win over the Theocrats, and that most of the human race will survive to enter a New Age. The only people who won’t survive will be those who die and are swallowed up in Theocratic bands before this happens. The goal of the Spiritual Revolutionary movement is to allow as many people as possible to avoid this fate by spreading the message in this book and helping them to make a breakthrough in consciousness about the nature of spiritual reality”

 

We on this forum are well aware of ‘group think’ mind control practices via the media. We are also well aware of the damage of mind control, and like to question with degrees of critical thinking any data that’s presented to us -promoting individualised thought and ideas, coming from a place of individual respect. 
 

The ‘theocrats’ mentioned above are familiar groups on earth that use any and all belief systems that encourage ‘herd mind’ thinking and giving power away to these groups. Theyre outed on this forum regularly - political groups, social groups, industry sectors - all want and NEED our worship/support of them for them to effectively ‘own’ us.

The spiritual component of these groups is also aligned with this way of thinking, so essentially all those souls as a random example ‘worship jesus’ create an egregore spiritually that they ‘give their souls to’ and it therefore consumes them after death. Another dream to enter into.

Dont forget this is the choice of the soul during its life to give its spiritual identity to a deity, so free will laws given to all are actually being respected. (Despite jesus himself saying in the bible not to worship him, but hey ho…)

 

Our belief system needs contemplating, because if we identify seriously mentally and emotionally/intellectually with anything….anything we give our souls to - literally meaning life energy and focus - we are ‘feeding’ that ‘thing’ - any ideology. In the spiritual realms these are known as egregore beings. Beings of energy that are formed from conscious incarnated living mind energy from groups of people. The longer minds focus on the ‘concept/ideology/deity’ - the stronger and more conscious the egregore becomes. No different to a baby being born and growing in awareness, strength, will and actions from this growth. And just like a baby, the parents hope to brainwash it to become like them, but oftentimes the baby grows to be its own individual self of power, hence why egregore energy is not like the minds of the individuals who created the spiritual being.

 

Freedom of being is hard to work towards when 90% of the herd are walking the opposite direction, latching onto with their very souls beliefs and concepts and groups to live through to gain firm identity and continue to grow a human ego identity. 

When youre trying to shed these false layers, so that freedom is the sole/soul focus - is essentially the rebellion on earth and spiritual parts of self.
 

When these layers are shed, spiritual liberation remains and we wake-up from dreaming, finally. 
 

 

 

 

[gazap]

13 hours ago, BeeThrive said:

Scanning through the book again, really the epitome of the premise of the book is condensed into the last 2 paragraphs of the book, that really, when we consider it, is what D.Icke’s work has been about and the thrust of the mentality of the members on this forum and other forums of a similar flavour:

 

“What then does the Invisible College want people to do to assist in winning the War in Heaven?
The most important thing you can do if you agree with the basic thesis of this book is to ensure your own survival after death, by avoiding all forms of Theocratic mind control and by developing as much conscious control over your psychic powers as you can.

Stay away from religious and occult groups that practice religious mind control, and don’t become addicted to popular music or the electronic media; but do work with occult or New Age groups that teach people how to take charge of their own spiritual destiny.

 

War In Heaven contains many negative, frightening ideas, but it is essentially a positive book. It is very probable that the Invisible College will win over the Theocrats, and that most of the human race will survive to enter a New Age. The only people who won’t survive will be those who die and are swallowed up in Theocratic bands before this happens. The goal of the Spiritual Revolutionary movement is to allow as many people as possible to avoid this fate by spreading the message in this book and helping them to make a breakthrough in consciousness about the nature of spiritual reality”

 

We on this forum are well aware of ‘group think’ mind control practices via the media. We are also well aware of the damage of mind control, and like to question with degrees of critical thinking any data that’s presented to us -promoting individualised thought and ideas, coming from a place of individual respect. 
 

The ‘theocrats’ mentioned above are familiar groups on earth that use any and all belief systems that encourage ‘herd mind’ thinking and giving power away to these groups. Theyre outed on this forum regularly - political groups, social groups, industry sectors - all want and NEED our worship/support of them for them to effectively ‘own’ us.

The spiritual component of these groups is also aligned with this way of thinking, so essentially all those souls as a random example ‘worship jesus’ create an egregore spiritually that they ‘give their souls to’ and it therefore consumes them after death. Another dream to enter into.

Dont forget this is the choice of the soul during its life to give its spiritual identity to a deity, so free will laws given to all are actually being respected. (Despite jesus himself saying in the bible not to worship him, but hey ho…)

 

Our belief system needs contemplating, because if we identify seriously mentally and emotionally/intellectually with anything….anything we give our souls to - literally meaning life energy and focus - we are ‘feeding’ that ‘thing’ - any ideology. In the spiritual realms these are known as egregore beings. Beings of energy that are formed from conscious incarnated living mind energy from groups of people. The longer minds focus on the ‘concept/ideology/deity’ - the stronger and more conscious the egregore becomes. No different to a baby being born and growing in awareness, strength, will and actions from this growth. And just like a baby, the parents hope to brainwash it to become like them, but oftentimes the baby grows to be its own individual self of power, hence why egregore energy is not like the minds of the individuals who created the spiritual being.

 

Freedom of being is hard to work towards when 90% of the herd are walking the opposite direction, latching onto with their very souls beliefs and concepts and groups to live through to gain firm identity and continue to grow a human ego identity. 

When youre trying to shed these false layers, so that freedom is the sole/soul focus - is essentially the rebellion on earth and spiritual parts of self.
 

When these layers are shed, spiritual liberation remains and we wake-up from dreaming, finally. 
 

 

 

 

thank you for such an in depth answer. I think what scares me is the idea of souls be ing 'swallowed up by theocratiec bands'. Kyle Griffith means this in the literal sense, that the soul wont exist. Now, I've read in other places that they feed on our energy not the actual soul. I could live better with it if I knew that my soul or others I have loved have not been devoured with their souls no longer in existence. What are your thoughts on this?

 

thank ans much love

Gareth

Edited January 2, 2023 by gazap

[BeeThrive]

4 hours ago, gazap said:

thank you for such an in depth answer. I think what scares me is the idea of souls be ing 'swallowed up by theocratiec bands'. Kyle Griffith means this in the literal sense, that the soul wont exist. Now, I've read in other places that they feed on our energy not the actual soul. I could live better with it if I knew that my soul or others I have loved have not been devoured with their souls no longer in existence. What are your thoughts on this?

 

thank ans much love

Gareth

Honestly, i have never heard or read elsewhere that , without permission, a soul is consumed by another in beyond 3-D life planes. Yet, the invisible college state because of this gross universal injustice of soul food,  is the very core cause of the ‘war in heaven’. 

If we zoom-out, and also understand this from the perspective of when individual rights of another on earth are violated. Someone is bullied, say. The bullies evoke fear and terror, they feed on that fear and terror they evoke. The bully may then say ‘be in my gang and you wont be bullied’ - the person agrees. Now, the person has essentially given their free will rights over to the bully - whatever they ask, they are submitting to. If they dont submit they are thrown out of the gang - or beaten up by the bully as punishment for ‘not submitting’. 
Spiritually likewise scenarios happen. Religion as mentioned in the book terrorises followers with fear of hell, so follow us to go to ‘heaven’. By identifying yourself as a christian, jew, muslim etc you are submitting your mind/body/soul complex to essentially be the rights of the religion you devoutly follow. 
 

At death, the egregores (spiritual energy body) of religions therefore ‘consume’ the souls of followers - within that egregore can be a multitude of ‘experiences’ of the ‘promised heaven’, ‘meeting jesus/allah’ or whatever - the souls themselves give their ‘conscious energy’ to the egregore of religion. i think this is what ‘souls being eaten’ means in the book. 
No different to on earth, social groups and religious groups ‘recruit’ members - what is recruitment? Permission to follow their ideology and will. Giving up a portion of our consciousness energy to a group with mind-ideas and beliefs which if we say ‘vows’ to - as many do ask of members - we give up our conscious ‘will’ to that group.

 

The invisible college are trying to alert people of earth to this issue, hence the book. They are aware that people have no idea what ‘sovereignity’ really means, and because we dont take it seriously on earth incarnated, when beyond death our spiritual sovereignity also is easily abused.

 

Hence why they stated the concluding paragraphs above. To respect freedom and individuality above all else.

 

When it comes to our loved ones, because we respect freedom we know we cannot force them to believe in something other than what they wish. If asked we can say what we believe, but that’s all. We’ll leave manipulating to the theocrats!

All paths in life/death and beyond are a process of purification toward true Truth for each and every living thing. Zoom right out and understand that the core energy of all life is the same, and incarnated life in any realm/planet is essentially on the path to essence of being/Truth. 
The heart connection never fades, my friend. Wherever our friends, family and loved ones are, even on earth, when without them the heart connection never fades. Its the same no matter where any of us end-up spiritually - the heart connection, that is the most purest aspects of love for them, is eternal. 

 

Like with our own children if we have them - if we love them truly - we give them the freedom to develop their persona how they choose and allow them to go out in the world living the life they choose. Our love doesnt (shouldnt) stop because they choose a life path we dont agree with. Not many parents truly allow this. There’s ‘fears’ all parents have. True Unconditional Love is shockingly fearless. Its a power that defies belief when you’ve experienced a taste of it. You love so deeply you allow freedom. 
 

Remember at the end of the book it speaks of elementals and gods. The elemental factions are forces of manipulation, fear etc. The gods are created through freedom, which is the highest love we can give anyone. Have you heard ‘if you love something, set it free”? - letting go of those we love is hardest for the ego but easy for the spiritual essence consciousness, because it understands the ‘whole’ moreso, compared to our limited 3-D ego selves.

 

To summarise, i am very on the fence with the belief that an egregore or faction devours any soul without consent. It likely is not ‘fully informed consent’ just like conmen work on earth, but because of universal laws - specifically that law of Correspondence - if any group dupes members into joining them to destroy those recruited members, they too will be duped and destroyed. We call such correspondence karma, but its vastly more complicated energetically the route karma plays out. Spiritual factions know these universal laws than most men on earth - so would be very wary of breaking them in order to gain power, as the power they hope to gain would be annihilated. 
 

I do however understand how groups gain power via members who are ‘sleep-walking’ and not realising by believing in this and that group/ideology/deity - that they are giving their power away and their will, like a ‘covert form of consent’.