Nuckles Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 I absolutely hate it and have done ever since I can remember. People spending money they don't have on buying sh*t they don't need, bowing to the commercialisation pushed by the media; kids getting spoiled and not valuing what they have; people stressing over cooking what is simply a glorified roast dinner; crap music on the radio. Pees me off every year and I cant wait until the crap is over! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) Not a big fan of Christmas, but I don't hate it either. People are more anti-social these days, and Christmas and the Yule period is a tradition that gets them out at least. I understand that not all family gatherings are pleasant for people though. What you're describing is not really true Christmas either, it sounds like what you hate is more about the commercial aspect of the Christmas that we have today. How would you feel about Christmas if it was just about folk and tradition, instead of just spending money and getting stressed? It often depends what peoples political views are too, more on the right seem to appreciate the holiday season. Many on the Left don't like Christmas though, which is fine, but cringe if they have been programmed to only hate Christmas like a radical progressive. Edited December 25, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart dorrans Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 I love Christmas day but I can get really depressed the few weeks before it. I think it's been drummed into us from a young age that this is supposed to be the happiest time of year, but half of the world is really starving and living in poverty. I can't celebrate that. I've kept the TV off this month because I can't stand all the social engineering that we are supposed to be sitting round a big table with our multicultural families 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Not a big fan of Christmas, but I don't hate it either. People are more anti-social these days, and Christmas and the Yule period is a tradition that gets them out at least. I understand that not all family gatherings are pleasant for people though. What you're describing is not really true Christmas either, it sounds like what you hate is more about the commercial aspect of the Christmas that we have today. How would you feel about Christmas if it was just about folk and tradition, instead of just spending money and getting stressed? It often depends what peoples political views are too, more on the right seem to appreciate the holiday season. Many on the Left don't like Christmas though, which is fine, but cringe if they have been programmed to only hate Christmas like a radical progressive. Im not a Christian so why would I celebrate Christmas? So many who 'celebrate' Christmas aren't even Christian either! Christians just stole the whole thing from older religions anyway; its not even authentically theirs! Like all religion, just another sop for the sheep. As for tradition, most of what is considered traditional only dates back to Victorian times and the practices of rich Victorians at that. The whole thing is a complete farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 43 minutes ago, Stuart dorrans said: I love Christmas day but I can get really depressed the few weeks before it. I think it's been drummed into us from a young age that this is supposed to be the happiest time of year, but half of the world is really starving and living in poverty. I can't celebrate that. I've kept the TV off this month because I can't stand all the social engineering that we are supposed to be sitting round a big table with our multicultural families Adverts are increasingly becoming spot the white person! I watch very little TV, haven't bothered much with it for years now as there is very little on worth watching. Creativity and originality seem to be things of the past and all they seem to be able to do is rehash the old stuff (much like the way the music industry has gone) and ruin it in the process. We only have one in the house as my husband watches some things. I would happily throw the TV out and wouldnt miss it at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nuckles said: Im not a Christian so why would I celebrate Christmas Why coment then,get on with your life.....eh!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 Just now, screamingeagle said: Why coment then,get on with your life.....eh!!!!! I'll comment on what I like and if you dont like it be an adult and scroll by................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Just now, Nuckles said: I'll comment on what I like and if you dont like it be an adult and scroll by................. but you don't like chrismas!!!!!! it's stupit to put your energy in something that makes you feel low....unless,well....!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Nuckles said: Im not a Christian so why would I celebrate Christmas? So many who 'celebrate' Christmas aren't even Christian either! Christians just stole the whole thing from older religions anyway; its not even authentically theirs! Like all religion, just another sop for the sheep. As for tradition, most of what is considered traditional only dates back to Victorian times and the practices of rich Victorians at that. The whole thing is a complete farce. It's not just a Christian holiday and nobody said you have to celebrate anything. Germanic tradition is older than Victorians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule#Attestations Edited December 25, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart dorrans Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, Nuckles said: Adverts are increasingly becoming spot the white person! I watch very little TV, haven't bothered much with it for years now as there is very little on worth watching. Creativity and originality seem to be things of the past and all they seem to be able to do is rehash the old stuff (much like the way the music industry has gone) and ruin it in the process. We only have one in the house as my husband watches some things. I would happily throw the TV out and wouldnt miss it at all. I would throw the thing out and just live with my books but like you my husband watches it. Old movies and music were considered art. Everything now seems to be about societies obsession with sex and violence. Everything is degrading. There is no art anymore. Everything is about meaningless materialism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Weird how counterculture changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastOneLeftInTheCounty Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Yeah, I’ve been progressively trained to fear Christmas over the years. Just do what I’m doing this year and pretend to be ill so I won’t have to put up with any bullshit. Im longing for a return of the ancient Nordic tradition of consuming fly agaric magic mushrooms on Christmas Day. It’s fun for the whole family. After hanging the mushrooms to dry on the Christmas tree (the origin of baubles) the entire family would chow down and trip out. If you were a bad child that year you were given a piece of coal and excluded from the ritual as you’d bring everyone down and cause bad trips. Might make some family Christmases actually bearable if it returned to Northern European culture 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Surprisingly tolerant for r/atheism this time of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Midwinter festivals and feasting goes back to the stone age. There's archaeological evidence of this at Stonehenge, where the winter solstice was as important as the summer. This midwinter festival may have changes names and put back a few days with Christianity - the rebirth of the sun/son becoming apparent a short time after the lowest point (ritual death). And we appreciate lights and decorations at the darkest and bleakest time of year. Especially with family and friends around too. So yes I do like Christmas, and I'm not a Christian (apart from some cultural Christian traits). But if Christmas isn't for you, would you replace it with some other festivities to mark the turning points of the year, or be some kind of minimalist puritan who has none at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) I think some of the commercialism in the west is a bit overdone. But I think it's nice to have some days in the year where family and friends get together and the rat race temporarily ends. Or if you're a Christian then it has more meaning. I don't really have much family anymore, and sometimes I reflect on their deaths at this time, but generally I quite enjoy it. Edited December 25, 2022 by Mr H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 The rampant consumerism is pretty distastful but there's still lots about this time of year that i like. Some of it is to do with christmas and some isn't One way to take a break from christmas is to simply not spend a single penny on christmas and instead book a cheap flight somewhere else and have a holiday instead. Most places won't be particularly sunny but prices can be lower and crowds smaller at that time of year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) Love Christmas i disagree with christmas stuff appearing before December (trying to water down another tradition) i even enjoy dissecting Christmas, the ritual, looking at it from all angles and still i come back thinking what a fantastic tradition that has evolved over many many years. from looking at the christos the story of the 3 kings Saint Nicholaus and presents scrooge story and the debt cancellation myth the tree, holly ivy the feasting the family the lights at the solstice Twelvetide all of these can be researched to discover interesting histories but in my opinion all rooted within human development, spiritual guidance and a knowledge of the Stars So, i love it and encourage my children to look at certain age-suitable things i.e commercialism of christmas or the lights and the solstice Edited December 26, 2022 by zArk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) and the songs..... No other tradition from any other culture /society/religion can match Christmas songs (not that its a competition) Hymns Carols Pop Christmas is top of the pops Edited December 26, 2022 by zArk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 23 hours ago, Nuckles said: I absolutely hate it and have done ever since I can remember. People spending money they don't have on buying sh*t they don't need, bowing to the commercialisation pushed by the media; kids getting spoiled and not valuing what they have; people stressing over cooking what is simply a glorified roast dinner; crap music on the radio. Pees me off every year and I cant wait until the crap is over! To me xmass was only for the kids ,now they're all grown up it's just another day,I don't buy presents or send cards and I certainly don't participate in the overt commercialism that one is expected to do. In my book it's useless to either like it or hate ,I just don't care one way or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, zArk said: i even enjoy dissecting Christmas, the ritual, looking at it from all angles and still i come back thinking what a fantastic tradition that has evolved over many many years. from looking at the christos the story of the 3 kings Saint Nicholaus and presents scrooge story and the debt cancellation myth the tree, holly ivy the feasting the family the lights at the solstice Twelvetide And not forgetting Lapland, the Northern lights & the Wizard of Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, peter said: To me xmass was only for the kids ,now they're all grown up it's just another day,I don't buy presents or send cards and I certainly don't participate in the overt commercialism that one is expected to do. In my book it's useless to either like it or hate ,I just don't care one way or another A proper scrooge then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 21 hours ago, Stuart dorrans said: I would throw the thing out and just live with my books but like you my husband watches it. Old movies and music were considered art. Everything now seems to be about societies obsession with sex and violence. Everything is degrading. There is no art anymore. Everything is about meaningless materialism. And where have all the good Comedians gone ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart dorrans Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, alexa said: And where have all the good Comedians gone ? Woke doesn't do fun. That kind of shit will get you fired in pc land 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 21 hours ago, Stuart dorrans said: I would throw the thing out and just live with my books but like you my husband watches it. Old movies and music were considered art. Everything now seems to be about societies obsession with sex and violence. Everything is degrading. There is no art anymore. Everything is about meaningless materialism. I tend to only watch pre 80’s films nowadays. More quality on screenplays. Real people doing real acting. Better cinematography Imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 20 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said: Yeah, I’ve been progressively trained to fear Christmas over the years. Just do what I’m doing this year and pretend to be ill so I won’t have to put up with any bullshit. Im longing for a return of the ancient Nordic tradition of consuming fly agaric magic mushrooms on Christmas Day. It’s fun for the whole family. After hanging the mushrooms to dry on the Christmas tree (the origin of baubles) the entire family would chow down and trip out. If you were a bad child that year you were given a piece of coal and excluded from the ritual as you’d bring everyone down and cause bad trips. Might make some family Christmases actually bearable if it returned to Northern European culture I’ll join you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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