Do We Actually Die ?

[webtrekker]

19 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I'm glad I didn't pay a lot for his books. 

 

Why? Has he offended your precious beliefs?

 

 

 

[alexa]

4 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

 

Why? Has he offended your precious beliefs?

 

 

 

 

Not at all, he's actually confirmed some.

[amevivant]

On 12/16/2022 at 6:45 AM, alexa said:

 

We walk in the shadow death but dwell in the house of the Lord for ever, (The house of the Lord being earth)

 

As controversial as it may sound to many, a scientist has revealed how death is not real, it is an illusion generated by our consciousness. Furthermore, life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever.

 

According to new evidence, Einstein was right – death is an illusion. Furthermore, the researcher, author, and entrepreneur argues that immortality doesn’t mean a perpetual existence in time, but resides outside of time altogether.

 

https://www.ancient-code.com/scientist-concludes-death-is-only-an-illusion-it-is-not-real/

 

DID I DIE OR DID I JUST CARRY ON WHERE I LEFT OFF ?

In 2016 I should have died due to a stent collapsing in my heart, the percentage rate for my survival was 1%, fortunately I survived due to being flown to the hospital to undergo a triple A heart op, but after the op every thing seemed to have changed slightly, every one seemed much nicer & my out look was different, it was like starting a new.

 

But should we really believe the scientists ? 

 

Ok, so I experienced something similar which left me confused also. A few years ago I was diagnosed with serious illness and given a short life expectancy. During the illness, I had an experience in which I was taken out of my body given a full life review, shown the Earth and put through what seemed to be a green fire. I was unconscious for around 3 1/2 hours. When I woke up, I was ice, cold and dripping in sweat. My healing was rapid from that point on and I am now in back to full health which baffles Doctors because I should be dead. But like you mentioned things are different, I have enhanced psychic abilities, I can see beyond peoples physical appearance and see their true form just by literally squinting my eyes. I am able to see things through visions and dreams before they happen. It feels almost superhuman. I am blessed to be able to say my finances are way more abundant life just seems better. I am recognising dead relatives walking around in a different form, so did I also die? Because this life I am living now is way different to the one I was living previously. 

[alexa]

6 hours ago, amevivant said:

Ok, so I experienced something similar which left me confused also. A few years ago I was diagnosed with serious illness and given a short life expectancy. During the illness, I had an experience in which I was taken out of my body given a full life review, shown the Earth and put through what seemed to be a green fire. I was unconscious for around 3 1/2 hours. When I woke up, I was ice, cold and dripping in sweat. My healing was rapid from that point on and I am now in back to full health which baffles Doctors because I should be dead. But like you mentioned things are different, I have enhanced psychic abilities, I can see beyond peoples physical appearance and see their true form just by literally squinting my eyes. I am able to see things through visions and dreams before they happen. It feels almost superhuman. I am blessed to be able to say my finances are way more abundant life just seems better. I am recognising dead relatives walking around in a different form, so did I also die? Because this life I am living now is way different to the one I was living previously. 

 

Wow, this is amazing, my finances have also improved & when I was in an induced coma I heard a voice say 'God has granted you clemency'.

 

This green fire you entered may have been the  Aurora Borealis which I believe to be God's throne. 

 

And coincidentally I watched a film last night whereby this women was shot dead but then you saw her get up a drive off happily  with her boyfriend who was already dead.

 

Watch at 125:50

 

 

I Reckon God is trying to tell us something, have no fear of death. Luke 12:5

 

Oh- BTW if you have seen the earth can you tell us if the earth is flat or a ball ? 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

On 12/16/2022 at 7:02 AM, Origin said:

The assumption that we are alive is an illusion. We are not a life form. Everyone will find themselves where they are supposed to be. Those who do not understand here will not understand the other side either. And with nothing can it be deceived.

your cells are alive

your body is alive

 

you are very much a life form. if you stop feeding your mouth, you will die within days.

 

the illusion is your ego. the thing we all call "self" isnt real. 

 

Dying of the body is not the ending of consciousness. so, in one sense, dying is real. our body will die. will consciousness continue, yes.

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Youknownothingbutyou

[amevivant]

3 hours ago, alexa said:

 

Wow, this is amazing, my finances have also improved & when I was in an induced coma I heard a voice say 'God has granted you clemency'.

 

This green fire you entered may have been the  Aurora Borealis which I believe to be God's throne. 

 

And coincidentally I watched a film last night whereby this women was shot dead but then you saw her get up a drive off happily  with her boyfriend who was already dead.

 

Watch at 125:50

 

 

I Reckon God is trying to tell us something, have no fear of death. Luke 12:5

 

Oh- BTW if you have seen the earth can you tell us if the earth is flat or a ball ? 

Very hard to describe. After going through the green fire I was then lowered down slightly and I was stood in what appeared to be Earths atmosphere. I was stood at the right hand side of a man whose appearance I couldn’t see properly (he was enormous) who showed me events that had happened throughout my life that I could never make sense of. He showed me these events by zooming me right into them as an observer but also experiencing the events from an individual perspective of each person who was there simultaneously. When I was stood in earths atmosphere it was so gigantic that I could only see a massive curve with what looked like beams of pure white light surrounding it in a kind of misty blanket white light. But when I was shown these events and how this reality truly operates it was like putting my head in a fish tank. When I was put through the green fire I felt like electricity was soaring through my body from the top of my head to the tips of my fingers and toes. But not in a bad or painful way, I felt like I was alive beyond measure. It’s really hard to describe it in its magnitude. Thank you for that link :)

Edited December 18, 2022 by amevivant
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[Origin]

2 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

your cells are alive

your body is alive

 

I have two options to choose from. The whisper of the ocean or something that has opened a door for me and that I must follow. You can imagine that I am getting closer to what has made me understand.

 

 

 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

6 hours ago, Origin said:

I have two options to choose from. The whisper of the ocean or something that has opened a door for me and that I must follow. You can imagine that I am getting closer to what has made me understand.

 

 

 

Here’s some internet magic dust for you

🌬

[alexa]

8 hours ago, amevivant said:

Very hard to describe. After going through the green fire I was then lowered down slightly and I was stood in what appeared to be Earths atmosphere. I was stood at the right hand side of a man whose appearance I couldn’t see properly (he was enormous) who showed me events that had happened throughout my life that I could never make sense of. He showed me these events by zooming me right into them as an observer but also experiencing the events from an individual perspective of each person who was there simultaneously. When I was stood in earths atmosphere it was so gigantic that I could only see a massive curve with what looked like beams of pure white light surrounding it in a kind of misty blanket white light. But when I was shown these events and how this reality truly operates it was like putting my head in a fish tank. When I was put through the green fire I felt like electricity was soaring through my body from the top of my head to the tips of my fingers and toes. But not in a bad or painful way, I felt like I was alive beyond measure. It’s really hard to describe it in its magnitude. Thank you for that link :)

 

Talking of fire - It was why I still had the pipes in me.... I felt like I was on fire & I could sense this awful burning & a horrible taste of salty bacon, I was so thirsty you wouldn't believe, I must have been showing signs of discomfort as my hubby told me, when they removed the pipes I calmed down to drift off into another beautiful world which was calm & so surreal.

 

Thanks for trying to explain what the earth looked like amev, I appreciate this 

[Campion]

11 hours ago, amevivant said:

 I was stood at the right hand side of a man whose appearance I couldn’t see properly (he was enormous) who showed me events that had happened throughout my life that I could never make sense of.

 

Did you feel like you could trust this entity or did you (do you now) have any doubts about whether they were acting in your best interests? If so, why should we accept beings like him? 

 

I'm asking after having read another thread about the Reincarnation Trap, which opened my eyes to the possibility that these experiences may be negative in the long run, even though they feel positive at the time. 

[amevivant]

4 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Did you feel like you could trust this entity or did you (do you now) have any doubts about whether they were acting in your best interests? If so, why should we accept beings like him? 

 

I'm asking after having read another thread about the Reincarnation Trap, which opened my eyes to the possibility that these experiences may be negative in the long run, even though they feel positive at the time. 

Yes I felt I could trust him. I felt very safe and protected. The whole experience is almost impossible to try and explain. I never went through a tunnel towards a white light. I was literally shot up towards the sky faster than light speed. The experience I had I felt nothing but unconditional love and safety but I am well aware no two experiences are the same. So another person may experience something completely different. Sorry I can’t be more descriptive I hope that helps my friend. 

[alexa]

10 hours ago, Campion said:

Did you feel like you could trust this entity or did you (do you now) have any doubts about whether they were acting in your best interests? If so, why should we accept beings like him? 

 

David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. But how does he know this ?

[Origin]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

 

David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. But how does he know this ?

No one can claim that. Only the source knows what really happens. And NDEs have not seen the real thing, each of them sees something. But they have never left.

[webtrekker]

3 hours ago, alexa said:

 

David Ike claims that when people die, they become Consciousness and then they are forever consciousness. But how does he know this ?

 

It's all very well saying that Consciousness survives death and may exist forever (if 'forever' has any meaning in a timeless realm), but what I, and most folk I assume, are more interested in, is that do my lifetime memories remain intact?

 

In short, am I still 'ME' after death?

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2022 by webtrekker

[alexa]

3 hours ago, webtrekker said:

 

It's all very well saying that Consciousness survives death and may exist forever (if 'forever' has any meaning in a timeless realm), but what I, and most folk I assume, are more interested in, is that do my lifetime memories remain intact?

 

In short, am I still 'ME' after death?

 

 

 

 

I would say yes as it is you who carries on being.

[Grumpy Grapes]

If everything is connected to everything else, then the fact that most of us stay alive when others 'die', suggests we don't die. Otherwise we'd all die at the same time. 

[alexa]

55 minutes ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

If everything is connected to everything else, then the fact that most of us stay alive when others 'die', suggests we don't die. Otherwise we'd all die at the same time. 

 

Maybe it's just the death of the person who carries on living & not the so called living they just carry on grieving, it is only the person who has died that it would appear that others are still living, this would suggest that when we die we are living outside of time (or rather in another world) & this is why we don't all don't die at the same time.

 

Just a thought....... 

Edited December 19, 2022 by alexa
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[amevivant]

This is an interesting article 

 

https://www.upworthy.com/quantum-immortality-viral-theory 

[alexa]

14 minutes ago, amevivant said:

This is an interesting article 

 

https://www.upworthy.com/quantum-immortality-viral-theory 

 

Interesting. 

[webtrekker]

20 hours ago, alexa said:

23 hours ago, webtrekker said:

 

It's all very well saying that Consciousness survives death and may exist forever (if 'forever' has any meaning in a timeless realm), but what I, and most folk I assume, are more interested in, is that do my lifetime memories remain intact?

 

In short, am I still 'ME' after death?

 

 

 

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I would say yes as it is you who carries on being.

 

But surely 'to carry on being' means that I was here previously, for which I have no recollections, so are you saying that my existence just began when I was born in 1952 yet will now carry on forever? Seems a bit odd to me.

 

 

 

[alexa]

4 hours ago, webtrekker said:

 

But surely 'to carry on being' means that I was here previously, for which I have no recollections, so are you saying that my existence just began when I was born in 1952 yet will now carry on forever? Seems a bit odd to me.

 

 

 

 

Maybe our conscientiousness began at creation & we have only been born once & we carry on for ever, forever young. I'm just speculating here. 

 

Remember these doppelgangers ?

 

 

 

 

And remember the story about Faust ?

Edited December 20, 2022 by alexa

[SkyBlueEyes]

Do We Actually Die ?

 

Let us consider what Life is first...   Maybe easy to just a say brief moment in time to experience a solid world in an endless stream of time.

 

What am "I"?   To sum up, a collection of experiences in 3D world, in A self repairing 3D Space suit that contains billions of other Life Forms (Bacteria) that determine the well being of that Enviromental suit.. It is made up of Trillions of Cells that use frequencies to communicate to the universe as they have Attena called DNA which is a resonace crytal that react to Enviroment it is exposed to. (Science of Epigenetics)

 

What is Death?

At the  end of Life I will not experience a solid world so it would be safe to assume it would have the same experience as i was having before I was born.

My Physical world 3D Space Suit would Have no function or life forces to Energies it.. Would be considered Dead which A certification of not Alive complete with a Funeral/Cremation if your lucky So your Mark in this 3D world Gets A Grave Stone or a Dusty Gathering Shelf Urn as the case maybe.

 

So The Question is Do We Have A Soul?

If We consider "You" as the experiencer and controller of your 3D body suit as just a bunch of Chemical reacting Energy Signals and science tells us -->

You in A In-Active State (Death) (Isolated system is oneness with the universe)

Law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time. 

You in A Active State (Life) (Powering your 3D experience)

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another.

 

Science has tried to prove A soul and determine there is a weight loss after death. only a few grams but could that be your Energy Saying "Bye Bye Mortal World"..

 

Next Question To this Problen is Do We Reincarnate?

If according to the Laws it can be transformed from one form to another then you can rephrase to one life to 3d life, to one life to 3d life as often as you like in an infinite time scale..

 

Now Do I believe in Soul.. I Hope So but can't Recall If I had an experience before. But I am not gonna Mess Around with this Experience to find out. 

 

 

 

 

[Mr H]

50 minutes ago, SkyBlueEyes said:

Do We Actually Die ?

 

Let us consider what Life is first...   Maybe easy to just a say brief moment in time to experience a solid world in an endless stream of time.

 

What am "I"?   To sum up, a collection of experiences in 3D world, in A self repairing 3D Space suit that contains billions of other Life Forms (Bacteria) that determine the well being of that Enviromental suit.. It is made up of Trillions of Cells that use frequencies to communicate to the universe as they have Attena called DNA which is a resonace crytal that react to Enviroment it is exposed to. (Science of Epigenetics)

 

What is Death?

At the  end of Life I will not experience a solid world so it would be safe to assume it would have the same experience as i was having before I was born.

My Physical world 3D Space Suit would Have no function or life forces to Energies it.. Would be considered Dead which A certification of not Alive complete with a Funeral/Cremation if your lucky So your Mark in this 3D world Gets A Grave Stone or a Dusty Gathering Shelf Urn as the case maybe.

 

So The Question is Do We Have A Soul?

If We consider "You" as the experiencer and controller of your 3D body suit as just a bunch of Chemical reacting Energy Signals and science tells us -->

You in A In-Active State (Death) (Isolated system is oneness with the universe)

Law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time. 

You in A Active State (Life) (Powering your 3D experience)

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another.

 

Science has tried to prove A soul and determine there is a weight loss after death. only a few grams but could that be your Energy Saying "Bye Bye Mortal World"..

 

Next Question To this Problen is Do We Reincarnate?

If according to the Laws it can be transformed from one form to another then you can rephrase to one life to 3d life, to one life to 3d life as often as you like in an infinite time scale..

 

Now Do I believe in Soul.. I Hope So but can't Recall If I had an experience before. But I am not gonna Mess Around with this Experience to find out. 

 

 

 

 

Interesting post thanks.

 

May I ask you what your definition of a soul is? Because I hear it a lot, but never heard a definition which leads me to make up my own definition.

[SkyBlueEyes]

@Mr H

Soul is what ever you believe it to be..   I know that is a cop out awnser, just like A Dahli Lamba ..   Maybe it is just the energy level you resonate at the time of death, Maybe it is just frequency your body clock runs at or Maybe it is just Thought. but even Thought is a peception of experience created by chemical energy reaction...  So maybe what is left is energy disapating from chemical reaction.. Energy can't be destroyed so it transfered into Universe..   But end of the Day is even Soul the right Term. It could be Spirite as alternate My A jack Daniel if that is the case

[peter]

On 12/20/2022 at 8:33 AM, Grumpy Grapes said:

If everything is connected to everything else, then the fact that most of us stay alive when others 'die', suggests we don't die. Otherwise we'd all die at the same time. 

Just think about what you said for a moment ,I'm sure you will come to realize that that statement is inherently false 

Edited January 5, 2023 by peter