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5 hours ago, SimonTV said:

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What do you make of the gap in the trail? 

 

Could be due to nozzles icing up and or mixture within the fuel, also atmospheric conditions(density, temp..etc) including EM radiation, just speculation though as i have often seen those breaks and tried to imagine the cause.

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7 hours ago, SimonTV said:

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What do you make of the gap in the trail? 

 

Does anyone here know anything at all about atmospheric physics, or even a basic understanding of meteorology? What you can see is just local humidity or temperature changes occurring at the plane's altitude.

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On 4/28/2022 at 2:47 PM, eddy64 said:

well if i was working for the gov id put the chemicals in the fuel at the refinery,  if you had government operatives working there you could send any altered aviation fuel batches where you wanted them.  much harder for peeps to prove anything if only a few people working at the refinery know what's up.

 

Except that would damage the precision engineered jet engines, alerting all the international maintenance engineers. Not to mention the aviation fuel test labs all over the world who asses the chemical balance and quality of the fuel prior to fuelling.

 

So I can't see it being 'smuggled' into aviation fuel past a whole chain of a people and tests. Unless you believe thousands are involved in this conspiracy. We need a fuel-test or engine mechanic whistle-blower. Surely from all those involved there must be dozens by now...?

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1 minute ago, Janet W said:

Unless you believe thousands are involved in this conspiracy.

 

no i don't think so

 

Ex FBI agent ted gunderson talking about the airbase used for geoengineering:

 

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3 hours ago, Janet W said:

We need a fuel-test or engine mechanic whistle-blower. Surely from all those involved there must be dozens by now...?

 

Most are not even aware that this is a thing yet, so how could there be any whistle blowers, a whistle blower acts on conscience, if this has not registered past the, 'naah, they wouldn't do that, would they?' filter, then why would anyone bother to risk a nicely paying job, evil is insidious, more insidious than you can imagine, because it knows how to blind you.

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11 hours ago, SimonTV said:

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What do you make of the gap in the trail? 

 

And just to prove how stupid i am at times, could it be that the pilot is signalling that they know to those on the ground, that this is a very real thing, but unfortunately for the cabin crew it is the best that they can do without public awareness and support, thanks to CEYLON for broadening my horizons even further, nice one Dave👍

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9 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

Most are not even aware that this is a thing yet, so how could there be any whistle blowers, a whistle blower acts on conscience, if this has not registered past the, 'naah, they wouldn't do that, would they?' filter, then why would anyone bother to risk a nicely paying job, evil is insidious, more insidious than you can imagine, because it knows how to blind you.

 

Perhaps you  haven't worked in a test environment where results are matched across lots of teams - sometimes internationally - against base-line measurements. And I'll repeat; jet engines are designed to run on specifically formulated fuel. Any additive will not only show up in performance tests, but will leave evidence in the combustion chambers, or might even cause engine damage that would require expensive investigation and repair.

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Bill Gates Funding Geoengineering Research

Billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates has been supporting a wide array of research on geoengineering since 2007, ScienceInsider has learned. The world's richest man has provided at least $4.5 million of his own money over 3 years for the study of methods that could alter the stratosphere to reflect solar energy, techniques to filter carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere, and brighten ocean clouds. But Gates's money has not funded any field experiments involving the techniques, according to Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Palo Alto, California.

Caldeira and physicist David Keith of the University of Calgary in Canada have been in charge of deciding how to dispense the money. The pair have been informal energy and climate advisers to Gates for several years, and they say they remain independent. "This is philanthropic money and when it arrives [to Calgary] Gates does not control it," says Keith.

Recipients of the funding include Armand Neukermans, an inventor based in Silicon Valley who is working with colleagues to design spray systems for the marine clouds, and students and scientists working for Keith and Caldeira. Funding has also helped support scientific meetings in geoengineering in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Edinburgh, Scotland, and aeronautics research related to altering the stratosphere.

There are other grantees, Keith says, but he declined to identify them or say why. "This is like a little private funding agency," he says, though he says they plan to release more information.

Gates has shown interest in geoengineering research before. He is an investor in Intellectual Ventures, a Seattle, Washington–area firm that pursues inventions and has applied for patents on techniques to geoengineer the stratosphere. Along with officials from that organization, Gates applied for a patent in 2008 to sap hurricanes of their strength by mixing surface and deep ocean water.

What's his ultimate goal? Gates "views geoengineering as a way to buy time but it's not a solution to the problem" of climate change, says spokesperson John Pinette. "Bill views this as an important avenue for research—among many others, including new forms of clean energy." (Pinette works for BCG3, a think-tank type firm Gates started last year which has no apparent role thus far in supporting geoengineering.) "Scientific and technological advances are making it possible to solve big, complicated problems like never before," writes Gates on the Web site of the Gates Foundation, which is also not involved in the geoengineering work.

https://www.science.org/content/article/bill-gates-funding-geoengineering-research

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3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:
 
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 But Gates's money has not funded any field experiments involving the techniques

 

as if they aren't already doing it....

Harvard Scientists Funded by Bill Gates to Begin Spraying Particles Into the Sky In Experiment to Dim the Sun

Matt Agorist August 3, 2019

What was once a conspiracy theory is now the subject of congressional debate, peer-reviewed studies, and now a Harvard experiment. Harvard scientists will attempt to replicate the climate-cooling effect of volcanic eruptions with a world-first solar geoengineering experiment. The university announced this month that it has created an external advisory panel to examine the potential ethical, environmental and geopolitical impacts of this geoengineering project, which has been developed by the university’s researchers.

According to Nature Magazine, Louise Bedsworth, executive director of the California Strategic Growth Council, a state agency that promotes sustainability and economic prosperity, will lead the Harvard advisory panel, the university said on 29 July. The other seven members include Earth-science researchers and specialists in environmental and climate law and policy.

What was once a conspiracy theory will soon be a reality—any day now.

Known as the Stratospheric Controlled Perturbation Experiment (SCoPEx), the experiment will spray calcium carbonate particles high above the earth to mimic the effects of volcanic ash blocking out the sun to produce a cooling effect.

The experiment was announced in Nature magazine last year, who was one of few outlets to look into this unprecedented step toward geoengineering the planet.

If all goes as planned, the Harvard team will be the first in the world to move solar geoengineering out of the lab and into the stratosphere, with a project called the Stratospheric Controlled Perturbation Experiment (SCoPEx). The first phase — a US$3-million test involving two flights of a steerable balloon 20 kilometres above the southwest United States — could launch as early as the first half of 2019. Once in place, the experiment would release small plumes of calcium carbonate, each of around 100 grams, roughly equivalent to the amount found in an average bottle of off-the-shelf antacid. The balloon would then turn around to observe how the particles disperse.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/01/11/bill-gates-backed-climate-solution-gains-traction-but-concerns-linger/

Atmospheric injection of reflective aerosol for mitigating global warming
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100127224A1/en


High altitude atmospheric injection system and method
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100071771A1/en
 

Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming
https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/patents/patent/US-5003186-A

 

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3 hours ago, Janet W said:

And I'll repeat; jet engines are designed to run on specifically formulated fuel. Any additive will not only show up in performance tests, but will leave evidence in the combustion chambers, or might even cause engine damage that would require expensive investigation and repair.

 

On commercial aircraft the cabin crew have very little to do with the maintenance of the craft, please correct me if i am wrong, the cabin crew are also isolated from the rest of the plane while in flight, please correct me if i am wrong, a jet engine is nothing more than a tube with a fan in it that compresses the air and fuel is added to the compressed air and ignited, the sustained explosion then turns the fan faster forcing more air and more fuel to the mix to achieve thrust, please correct me if i am wrong.

The cabin crew have no idea of the fuel being used, the cabin crew could be told anything about the unusual characteristics of the fuel, perhaps told that it enhances fuel economy, why doubt what you are being told, what evidence would they have to suspect anything unusual.

The only parts that would be compromised would be the injectors for the fuel and the fan blades after the ignition point and of course the housing these things are encapsulated within, the ignition of the fuel may not produce anything of a solid nature until the exhaust hits the low pressure low temperature of the atmosphere where it then can readily condense to what we term contrails CHEMTRAILS.

The maintenance crew are tasked with specific areas of the aircraft so not all crew would be dealing with the fuel system or indeed the engines, only those crew would be able to tell of modifications in those areas of concern, and again perhaps told that the unusual systems adapted to the engines could be for testing new fuels for efficiency, why not it's all about saving the Planet and climate change and nobody would be lying either because that is the mantra employed, but perhaps deception is in play where normal people think of good things associated with this terminology, the evil bastards actually mean the opposite, please correct my glaring errors?

 

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21 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

but perhaps deception is in play where normal people think of good things associated with this terminology, the evil bastards actually mean the opposite


nail and head come to mind. 

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55 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

 

On commercial aircraft the cabin crew have very little to do with the maintenance of the craft, please correct me if i am wrong, the cabin crew are also isolated from the rest of the plane while in flight, please correct me if i am wrong, a jet engine is nothing more than a tube with a fan in it that compresses the air and fuel is added to the compressed air and ignited, the sustained explosion then turns the fan faster forcing more air and more fuel to the mix to achieve thrust, please correct me if i am wrong.

The cabin crew have no idea of the fuel being used, the cabin crew could be told anything about the unusual characteristics of the fuel, perhaps told that it enhances fuel economy, why doubt what you are being told, what evidence would they have to suspect anything unusual.

The only parts that would be compromised would be the injectors for the fuel and the fan blades after the ignition point and of course the housing these things are encapsulated within, the ignition of the fuel may not produce anything of a solid nature until the exhaust hits the low pressure low temperature of the atmosphere where it then can readily condense to what we term contrails CHEMTRAILS.

The maintenance crew are tasked with specific areas of the aircraft so not all crew would be dealing with the fuel system or indeed the engines, only those crew would be able to tell of modifications in those areas of concern, and again perhaps told that the unusual systems adapted to the engines could be for testing new fuels for efficiency, why not it's all about saving the Planet and climate change and nobody would be lying either because that is the mantra employed, but perhaps deception is in play where normal people think of good things associated with this terminology, the evil bastards actually mean the opposite, please correct my glaring errors?

 

 

You are correct. The cabin crew have nothing to do with the maintenance of the aircraft - short of pointing out things like bad air-con, galley equipment faults or other generally minor problems.  But the engineers tasked with maintaining the engines know what they're doing and what to look for. Not only that, routine engine swapping between aircraft is done to spread operating hours and closely check for wear, etc. which would show up if fuel that varied from the very specific formula for which the engines were designed was ever used.

Before anyone suggests the chemicals are kept in special tanks completely separate from the fuel, each aircraft has a known laden weight. Not only that but airport load control know what that is, so airport staff and the pilots would certainly be aware of anything that caused their maximum cargo weight (even on passenger jets) or handling to be incorrect.

I find following a conspiracy is great fun. Unfortunately knowing what would be involved to make it happen can be deeply disappointing... :(

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1 minute ago, Janet W said:

 

You are correct. The cabin crew have nothing to do with the maintenance of the aircraft - short of pointing out things like bad air-con, galley equipment faults or other generally minor problems.  But the engineers tasked with maintaining the engines know what they're doing and what to look for. Not only that, routine engine swapping between aircraft is done to spread operating hours and closely check for wear, etc. which would show up if fuel that varied from the very specific formula for which the engines were designed was ever used.

Before anyone suggests the chemicals are kept in special tanks completely separate from the fuel, each aircraft has a known laden weight. Not only that but airport load control know what that is, so airport staff and the pilots would certainly be aware of anything that caused their maximum cargo weight (even on passenger jets) or handling to be incorrect.

I find following a conspiracy is great fun. Unfortunately knowing what would be involved to make it happen can be deeply disappointing... :(


Patents for the technology are in the public domain.

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21 minutes ago, Janet W said:

 

You are correct. The cabin crew have nothing to do with the maintenance of the aircraft - short of pointing out things like bad air-con, galley equipment faults or other generally minor problems.  But the engineers tasked with maintaining the engines know what they're doing and what to look for. Not only that, routine engine swapping between aircraft is done to spread operating hours and closely check for wear, etc. which would show up if fuel that varied from the very specific formula for which the engines were designed was ever used.

Before anyone suggests the chemicals are kept in special tanks completely separate from the fuel, each aircraft has a known laden weight. Not only that but airport load control know what that is, so airport staff and the pilots would certainly be aware of anything that caused their maximum cargo weight (even on passenger jets) or handling to be incorrect.

I find following a conspiracy is great fun. Unfortunately knowing what would be involved to make it happen can be deeply disappointing... :(

You've provided zero evidence that geo engineering is not happening. Let's start there first shall we. What's your evidence other than your opinion? 

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22 minutes ago, Janet W said:

I find following a conspiracy is great fun. Unfortunately knowing what would be involved to make it happen can be deeply disappointing... :(

 

You seem to be knowledgeable about the construction and workings of jet engines including the fuel used, so you must also be aware that part of the testing phase for an engines approval involves throwing chickens into the intake at full thrust that the engine has to survive, not only this but also have water pumped into the intake until it extinguishes the combustion process, so that's quite some punishment an engine can sustain, even ash from volcanic eruptions are survivable by a jet engine.

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1 minute ago, Morpheus said:

You've provided zero evidence that geo engineering is not happening. Let's start there first shall we. What's your evidence other than your opinion? 

 

Oh dear! I didn't say it wasn't happening (although I think small scale weather modification is).  I just gave my reasons why I don't think chemicals are 'smuggled' into aviation fuel on commercial jets or involves the connivance of personnel working in those fields.

But I'm still waiting for the evidence of special aircraft doing this. The skies are full of 'chemtrails' some days so there must be thousands of them. Where are they taking off and landing from? Who is maintaining them? And most of all where are all the thousands and thousands of tons of the stuff being manufactured, and distributed without anyone knowing anyone who is involved in this massive operation?

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Just now, Janet W said:

I just gave my reasons why I don't think chemicals are 'smuggled' into aviation fuel on commercial jets or involves the connivance of personnel working in those fields.


Why would it be done in secret if its for humanitarian reasons? 
 

Just now, Janet W said:

And most of all where are all the thousands and thousands of tons of the stuff being manufactured, and distributed without anyone knowing anyone who is involved in this massive operation?


Big pharma? and again why would it need to be done in secret if everyone within the loop believes it is a large humanitarian project?

 

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4 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

 

You seem to be knowledgeable about the construction and workings of jet engines including the fuel used, so you must also be aware that part of the testing phase for an engines approval involves throwing chickens into the intake at full thrust that the engine has to survive, not only this but also have water pumped into the intake until it extinguishes the combustion process, so that's quite some punishment an engine can sustain, even ash from volcanic eruptions are survivable by a jet engine.


Indeed. But those are only relatively short interruptions of the operation of jet engines which they are (mostly) designed to survive. Continuous use of a fuel additive for which the engine is not designed will eventual cause a noticeable decline in performance and damage.

(The story about some intern being asked to get chickens for this test and coming back with frozen ones, I believe is apocryphal!)

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2 minutes ago, Janet W said:

Oh dear! I didn't say it wasn't happening (although I think small scale weather modification is)

 

Weather modification goes back to the 1800's, even the Bible has examples of it, but this is weather warfare being conducted, it is part of the silent hot war that we are all going through, just take a look around and wipe the shit out your eyes and see it for what it truly is, shocking is it not, but anyway you think it will be ok as it's all just about fun.

 

7 minutes ago, Janet W said:

And most of all where are all the thousands and thousands of tons of the stuff being manufactured, and distributed without anyone knowing anyone who is involved in this massive operation?

 

That is called compartmentalisation or more affectionately termed 'need to know shit', as George Carlin says 'it's a big club and you aint in it'.

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