TheConsultant Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Yes that Lampard goal was more a goal than the Japan ball going out of play above, but that is out. At least I believe it to be, quite clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saved Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said: VAR is obviously questionable...or being used in a very "odd" way (ie only when needed to create desired outcomes perhaps). Any England fan will remind you of the 2010 WC when Frank Lampard's screamer ended up about 6ft over the line but bounced backwards, then off the crossbar and the German keeper pretended he'd saved it. Scandalous. Would have made that match 2-2. Who knows what could have been. We'd have probably gone out on penalties Goal line technology is a good thing when it works. It doesn't require five minutes of human subjective thought based on ever changing rules. It's either over the line or it isn't. Unless, of course, you're Aston Villa and staring down the barrel of relegation - followed by an inevitable points deduction for breaking EFL financial fair play rules the season before. It cost them £170m to get out of the Championship and to circumvent EPL financial fair play they had to buy the ground off themselves to keep the Premier League bosses off their case. That was allowed - as was citing the loss of revenue for the 'covid' season at three times the amount that other clubs with bigger grounds did. I don't know what corruption is going on at that club but they benefitted from the only time that goal line technology didn't work. They conceded a goal against Sheffield United that would have relegated them - the ball was miles over the line but somebody had 'forgot' to switch the goal line technology on. The ref thought it was a goal, the Villa keeper thought it was a goal, but the 'Beep!' didn't go off so it wasn't given as a goal. They stayed up as a result. Villa will eventually go bust, as will other giants or former giants of the game. I see that now the European Super League is further away than hoped, American owners are looking to sell up. Wolves went Chinese and that's now looking a bad decision as the CCP are looking to reel in foreign investments. Perhaps the near future for all clubs to survive will be oil, with City and Newcastle having a head start on everybody else. Watch those lefty fans of clubs like Liverpool justify their hypocrisy when bought by a similarly evil regime as Newcastle were. Here's Lampard's goal; who would go on to be as crap a manager as Martinez is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Sadly you're right. Wasn't the Villa game against Sheff Utd? They always seem to come off worse in these things....same with West Ham breaking the rules with Tevez years before, and his goals sending Utd down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 9 hours ago, TheConsultant said: Yes that Lampard goal was more a goal than the Japan ball going out of play above, but that is out. At least I believe it to be, quite clearly. The whole of the ball has to cross the line, so you need a top down view for accuracy. In tennis you see it played out more often, where if the ball is still a fraction on the line, it's in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi Gillen Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 This World Cup certainly just keeps on giving. Then again that's what the Colosseum was built for, to entertain and distract the masses as to what is really going on in the world. (Hoi Polloi) You couldn't write it. My bet is on an Arab or African nation to win it. Me thinks the game is definitely fixed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 senegal will beat england reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Heidi Gillen said: This World Cup certainly just keeps on giving. Then again that's what the Colosseum was built for, to entertain and distract the masses as to what is really going on in the world. (Hoi Polloi) You couldn't write it. My bet is on an Arab or African nation to win it. Me thinks the game is definitely fixed. Seems they want the Koreans and Japanese to do well. Morroco didn't need any help to progress, unless they were in Argentina's group and benefitted from their "shock" defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi Gillen Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Still waiting for The Clash to 'Rock the Kasbah'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozooka Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Argentina v Portugal would be make an epic final, plenty of talk i imagine of settling the Ronaldo/Messi debate. They're kind of incomparable and ultimately as good as each other. Messi a specialist in the #10 role and Ronaldo is a physical/mental freak who can do a bit of everything. Also i don't think it's fixed, certainly not to any large degree. Too much collusion needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 I want Japan to win. That VAR decision was messed up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 He's right, you know... World Cup 2022: Fifa's Arsene Wenger criticises performance of protesting nations Quote Arsene Wenger has suggested countries that protested at the World Cup saw their on-field performances suffer. Germany players covered their mouths before their opening defeat against Japan after Fifa threatened "unlimited" sanctions against players who wore the anti-discrimination OneLove armband. "The teams [who performed well] were mentally ready," Wenger said. "They had the mindset to focus on the competition and not on political demonstrations." From: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63849076 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemuri Kyoshiro Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 20 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said: I want Japan to win. That VAR decision was messed up though. So do I. Tough ask though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said: So do I. Tough ask though. Meiyo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemuri Kyoshiro Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: Meiyo. Indeed. I'd expect nothing less. Edited December 4, 2022 by Nemuri Kyoshiro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said: Indeed. I'd expect nothing less/ The Japanese always appear to show honour in everything they do whether it is business or martial arts. Its almost built in, I wish we had more of that honour and respect in the West. Edited December 4, 2022 by TheConsultant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said: He's right, you know... World Cup 2022: Fifa's Arsene Wenger criticises performance of protesting nations From: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63849076 Much as I have little time for Wenger, yeah I agree. Once you go there, accept your part in the tournament, you should shut up and focus on winning the matches. The time for protests and boycotts was before flying out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said: Much as I have little time for Wenger, yeah I agree. Once you go there, accept your part in the tournament, you should shut up and focus on winning the matches. The time for protests and boycotts was before flying out there. isn't taking the knee divisive? Surely its more divisive than the message of an arm band that says "one love" on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 LGBLT is illegal in Qatar, so that's the problem. You're showing support for something unlawful. I doubt the Qataris give a shit about BLM. I did catch a couple of mins of the Serbia v Swiss match the other lunchtime....it was fantastic....no political grandstanding, no minutes silences, no knee taking...they just kicked off and went hell for leather to score a goal. My kind of team. Who of course promptly got eliminated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Well first 25 minutes or so of that England were on the back foot and then scored a goal Senagal seemingly couldn't recover from. France is going to be a different beast altogether. We seriously need to stop taking the knee though, its a joke on the world stage at this point. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saved Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 On 12/2/2022 at 10:33 AM, Anti Facts Sir said: Sadly you're right. Wasn't the Villa game against Sheff Utd? They always seem to come off worse in these things....same with West Ham breaking the rules with Tevez years before, and his goals sending Utd down. The Blades have indeed been done twice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saved Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: Well first 25 minutes or so of that England were on the back foot and then scored a goal Senagal seemingly couldn't recover from. France is going to be a different beast altogether. We seriously need to stop taking the knee though, its a joke on the world stage at this point. Right? Mbappe running at a half fit Walker doesn't bare thinking about. If I was managing England I'd instruct the players to rotate fouls on him. Traore at Wolves has frightening acceleration. Teams quickly worked out that they could rotate fouling him and deliberately grabbed his arm every time. They knew he had dislocated it and they knew it was a weakness. Spurs were the biggest culprits and three were booked, including (I think) Harry Kane. They would literally try and yank his arm back out of it's socket. Wolves quickly countered that and smothered his arms in grease before every game. All teams will do anything to win or to gain an advantage. There's no honour whatsoever in most professional sports and football is particularly ruthless. If they are nicey nicey (after their manager) then that England defence is going to get run ragged. It would still be nice to put one over the frogs. Who could forget what Thierry Henri did against Ireland? He went on to lie about it, saying it was accidental, but that sly smile when the goal was given said it all. Having said that, I despise our sloppy mouthed whelk of a manager and would celebrate a defeat if it meant the end of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Saved said: Mbappe running at a half fit Walker doesn't bare thinking about. If I was managing England I'd instruct the players to rotate fouls on him. Traore at Wolves has frightening acceleration. Teams quickly worked out that they could rotate fouling him and deliberately grabbed his arm every time. They knew he had dislocated it and they knew it was a weakness. Spurs were the biggest culprits and three were booked, including (I think) Harry Kane. They would literally try and yank his arm back out of it's socket. Wolves quickly countered that and smothered his arms in grease before every game. All teams will do anything to win or to gain an advantage. There's no honour whatsoever in most professional sports and football is particularly ruthless. If they are nicey nicey (after their manager) then that England defence is going to get run ragged. It would still be nice to put one over the frogs. Who could forget what Thierry Henri did against Ireland? He went on to lie about it, saying it was accidental, but that sly smile when the goal was given said it all. Having said that, I despise our sloppy mouthed whelk of a manager and would celebrate a defeat if it meant the end of him. I cant say I disagree. Taking the knee is doing my face in which is why I partly dislike Southgate. Mbappe is going to ruin our defence if we do not step it up a few gears, Maguire of all people has been a little sloppy in the giving away possession, against much better competitors that is not going to fly too well. Which Henry moment do you mean? Jog my memory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anti Facts Sir Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 It's around the 1.20 mark. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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