The Original Lords Prayer

[pi3141]

On 12/5/2022 at 6:28 PM, Macnamara said:

just admit that christianity and christmas are under attack!

 

it's really not that hard to simply acknowledge that which is self-evidently true except when a person has an agenda in which case it sticks in their throat

 

Oh ok.

 

First off, the reason you are repeating this, is to try and distract from the fact you made a claim for which you don't have evidence, its a playground tactic.

 

So, I'll play along for a bit. Yes Christianity and Christmas is under attack, in your words - I have not given an opinion either way before in this thread, so its irrelevant.

 

 

Now, back to the point, are you going to admit you made a claim without evidence?

 

I was big enough to admit or accept what you asked - are you big enough to own your mistake?

[TheConsultant]

2 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Oh ok.

 

First off, the reason you are repeating this, is to try and distract from the fact you made a claim for which you don't have evidence, its a playground tactic.

 

So, I'll play along for a bit. Yes Christianity and Christmas is under attack, in your words - I have not given an opinion either way before in this thread, so its irrelevant.

 

 

Now, back to the point, are you going to admit you made a claim without evidence?

 

I was big enough to admit or accept what you asked - are you big enough to own your mistake?

Isn't Christmas a Satanic/Luciferian holiday? Nothing related to Christ and Christianity?

Edited December 6, 2022 by TheConsultant

[EnigmaticWorld]

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Isn't Christmas a Satanic/Luciferian holiday? Nothing related to Christ and Christianity?

 

Yule? Depends who you ask. It's a Germanic holiday connected to the Wild Hunt and Odin.

[Macnamara]

11 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Oh ok.

 

First off, the reason you are repeating this, is to try and distract from the fact you made a claim for which you don't have evidence, its a playground tactic.

 

So, I'll play along for a bit. Yes Christianity and Christmas is under attack, in your words - I have not given an opinion either way before in this thread, so its irrelevant.

 

 

Now, back to the point, are you going to admit you made a claim without evidence?

 

I was big enough to admit or accept what you asked - are you big enough to own your mistake?

 

all i've said is that there is an agenda by moral reletavists to normalise pedophilia; you then asked me who these moral reletavists were and i gave you a bunch of current examples of the kind of things going on RIGHT NOW in our society to illustrate that yes there is indeed an agenda out there to normalise pedophilia

 

These are all ASPECTS of the same conspiracy for example:

 

-normalisation of pedophilia

-normalisation of gender bending to conceal harms caused by endocrine disrupting chemicals

-destruction of the nuclear family

-attacks on christianity including its festivals like christmas

-MASS immigration

-MASS jabbing of the population

-destruction of private wealth through quantitative easing and increased taxation

-pushing of satanic themes in popular culture

 

all of these things are, despite on the surface seeming to come through many channels, in fact coming from the same cabal of people. Its all really THE SAME CONSPIRACY and this forum was created to discuss this conspiracy and that is what i'm doing. I am helping people to see the inter-connectedness of all of these things so that they may be more streetwise in order that they may then be able to MAKE MORAL CHOICES ABOUT WHAT THEY DEFEND AND WHAT THEY ATTACK

Edited December 6, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

7 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Isn't Christmas a Satanic/Luciferian holiday? Nothing related to Christ and Christianity?

 

that time of year has always been important in the northern hemisphere for the return of the sun. It has been celebrated as yule or saturnalia and then by christians

 

and why not? why not celebrate the suns return?

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

that time of year has always been important in the northern hemisphere for the return of the sun. It has been celebrated as yule or saturnalia and then by christians

 

and why not? why not celebrate the suns return?

I am not saying we should or shouldnt.

Saturn worship is tantamount to Satanism, doesnt DI discuss this at length?

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Saturn worship is tantamount to Satanism, doesnt DI discuss this at length?

 

some say that saturn was once a sun but that is not the sun we are talking about is it?

 

we are talking about our sun that gives us warmth and light

 

some people will talk of christianity in astrotheological terms with jesus symbolising the sun but that is really only a veil. The way i see it Jesus represents the heart as the only way out of a poisoned world view

 

The word 'heart' also ties into the word hearth which traditionally was the fireplace within a home that gave light and warmth to the household. This is where the yule tradition of the yule log comes in. The light and warmth of the fireplace has obvious parallels with the light and warmth of the sun. One the heart of the home, the other the heart of the solar system as jesus could be seen to represent the spiritual heart

 

Now who would want to extinguish the light and warmth from our inner and outer worlds? That's the question people really need to be concerning themselves with imo

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

some say that saturn was once a sun but that is not the sun we are talking about is it?

 

we are talking about our sun that gives us warmth and light

 

some people will talk of christianity in astrotheological terms with jesus symbolising the sun but that is really only a veil. The way i see it Jesus represents the heart as the only way out of a poisoned world view

 

The word 'heart' also ties into the word hearth which traditionally was the fireplace within a home that gave light and warmth to the household. This is where the yule tradition of the yule log comes in. The light and warmth of the fireplace has obvious parallels with the light and warmth of the sun. One the heart of the home, the other the heart of the solar system as jesus could be seen to represent the spiritual heart

 

Now who would want to extinguish the light and warmth from our inner and outer worlds? That's the question people really need to be concerning themselves with imo

In terms of etymology, how are you overlooking the prior name Saturnalia? Also as I said, the world is upside down, backwards and inside out. We celebrate a lot of stuff we have no clue about. 

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

In terms of etymology, how are you overlooking the prior name Saturnalia?

 

that was a roman festival. I'm not a roman. I'm a northern european whose ancestors repelled the romans

[Macnamara]

6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

The word 'heart' also ties into the word hearth which traditionally was the fireplace within a home that gave light and warmth to the household. This is where the yule tradition of the yule log comes in. The light and warmth of the fireplace has obvious parallels with the light and warmth of the sun. One the heart of the home, the other the heart of the solar system as jesus could be seen to represent the spiritual heart

 

in such a view you could then perceive the outer festival of christ-mass as the heart of the community because festivals have for a long time been the thing that pulls people together at key times of the year helping to provide the glue that binds the community together

[TheConsultant]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

that was a roman festival. I'm not a roman. I'm a northern european whose ancestors repelled the romans

Yes, and Roman Empire is part of the current bloodlines no? They invert things to their meaning.

[Macnamara]

Just now, TheConsultant said:

Yes, and Roman Empire is part of the current bloodlines no? They invert things to their meaning.

 

they can do what they like. I already gave you my own heretical and heathenistic view of things lol

[EnigmaticWorld]

1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

Yes, and Roman Empire is part of the current bloodlines no? They invert things to their meaning.

 

Yeah, they probably have blood from most major empires.

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

they can do what they like. I already gave you my own heretical and heathenistic view of things lol

Then you do not understand how they operate or why they operate in that way, your view is irrelevant as its the masses that matter. Its part of their control. 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Yeah, they probably have blood from most major empires.

 

including the khazarian

[TheConsultant]

8 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

including the khazarian

Of course, they are the communists, the nazis, the sabbateans, the knights templar, the romans, quite possibly behind Atlantis empire etc. and they control everyones perceptions through the "mainstream" via propaganda. Occult societies get a glimpse and can gain quite a lot of things along the way, but they are all ultimately on the side of the Luciferians at the top of it in an incredibly compartmentalised system, both occult system and the system we live within. Always been that way, humanity does not understand what freedom truly is.

Edited December 6, 2022 by TheConsultant

[EnigmaticWorld]

I wonder how long they have hated Atlanticism, because they did a crazy sabotage job.

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

Then you do not understand how they operate or why they operate in that way, your view is irrelevant as its the masses that matter. Its part of their control. 

 

if you are talking about their use of institutionalised religion as a control mechanism then certainly the dark occultists are going to want to control anything that has influence on the public mind

 

but karl marx was an agent of theirs and he wanted religion GONE. Now why is that? It's because religion in the west was championing the family and morality which are two barriers to their agenda

 

Christmas is a cultural landmark in our year which brings families and society together at a time that is at the darkest point of winter. Yes you could talk about the various ways the dark occultists have manipulated it to boost consumerism and so on and you'll find a sympathetic ear from me. I have issues with how it has become but to then argue that we just discard it altogether i feel is a terrible mistake and plays right into their hands

 

They want to create what they call a 'tabula rasa' which is to mean a blank slate. This term was used by cultural marxist city planners and architects who flattened large swathes of historical parts of cities so that they could build their own 'brutalist' style architecture in those spaces which look like soulless battery hen coops and that is the whole point: to drain the colour and verve out of our existence

 

I've spoken in my thread about marxists taking control of the courtauld institute that taught generations of british youth what art was and once again we see after the second world war public art becoming amorphous, depressing, post modernist crap

 

Its all the same agenda just as the removal of christmas is. They want us to be blank slates with no connection to the past which they can then remould into their neo-fuedal, technocratic serfs (those they don't kill off with the covid jabs)

[TheConsultant]

10 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

if you are talking about their use of institutionalised religion as a control mechanism then certainly the dark occultists are going to want to control anything that has influence on the public mind

 

but karl marx was an agent of theirs and he wanted religion GONE. Now why is that? It's because religion in the west was championing the family and morality which are two barriers to their agenda

 

Christmas is a cultural landmark in our year which brings families and society together at a time that is at the darkest point of winter. Yes you could talk about the various ways the dark occultists have manipulated it to boost consumerism and so on and you'll find a sympathetic ear from me. I have issues with how it has become but to then argue that we just discard it altogether i feel is a terrible mistake and plays right into their hands

 

They want to create what they call a 'tabula rasa' which is to mean a blank slate. This term was used by cultural marxist city planners and architects who flattened large swathes of historical parts of cities so that they could build their own 'brutalist' style architecture in those spaces which look like soulless battery hen coops and that is the whole point: to drain the colour and verve out of our existence

 

I've spoken in my thread about marxists taking control of the courtauld institute that taught generations of british youth what art was and once again we see after the second world war public art becoming amorphous, depressing, post modernist crap

 

Its all the same agenda just as the removal of christmas is. They want us to be blank slates with no connection to the past which they can then remould into their neo-fuedal, technocratic serfs (those they don't kill off with the covid jabs)

Our connections to the past are based almost entirely on lies they made up, twisted and edited over generations of them and us, including most of our traditions.

I believe the cabal take issue with one religion and person mostly and they take that very seriously. You see why Freemasons are allowed to be any religion? As its inclusive, all you have to believe is in a divine creator, they do not say that their traditions and history are paying homage and energy towards their God at the top of that pyramid structure, not the individual ones made up of the members. We are talking about a group who have manipulated everyone at every turn for millennia.

I do not really have an opinion on Christmas, I do believe family and connection is paramount. The CIA docs show they have been attacking the traditional family unit for decades (in modern times I mean) and the trans agenda, sterilisation etc pays in to that.

I am not against Religion, I do not get it myself, I am more in to seeing what they believe and exploring how they invert truth and therefore base some of my views on the inversion of their operations over millennia. We are talking generational psychopaths who need to steal from people to gain. 

BTW, happy to be wrong, interesting thread/discussion regardless of who is right or wrong. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Our connections to the past are based almost entirely on lies they made up, twisted and edited over generations of them and us, including most of our traditions.

 

I disagree. I think much of it has roots in the collective unconscious and myths. To me it becomes a fun process to make sense of it but if they memory hole all of the pieces of the puzzle that makes the process much harder

[TheConsultant]

26 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I disagree. I think much of it has roots in the collective unconscious and myths. To me it becomes a fun process to make sense of it but if they memory hole all of the pieces of the puzzle that makes the process much harder

A lot of history is written by the winners in the manner of their choosing. No one is saying memory hole things, overlook things. Discernment is your number one tool in understanding truth, lots to sift through and no problem being wrong about things until you have more or better information to change your mind. That is how I operate anyhow.

[Nemo]

The Lords Prayer relates to the seven Charkras.

 

• Our Father (Crown - God)

• Who art in Heaven (Third Eye - Heaven)

• Hallowed be thy name (Throat - The Word)

• Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven (Heart - Christ) (Only through me shall you reach the Father)

• Give us today our daily bread and forgive us our sins as forgive those who sin against us (Sacral - Bethlehem, House of Bread),

• Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from Evil (Root - Satan/Wilderness)

 

'For the kingdom the power and glory are yours now and forever' was later added to the prayer by the Catholic church.

 

Most religions dedicate their prayers to Amen. Amen is ancient Egyptian for God, as in Amenhotep or Amen Ra (pronounced 'Ray', as in 'light ray') thus meaning, 'God of light' or 'God of the Sunlight' ie 'Sun of God'.

 

We pray to Gods ancient Egyptian name...

 

Amen.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Nemo

[pi3141]

22 hours ago, Macnamara said:

all i've said is that there is an agenda by moral reletavists to normalise pedophilia; you then asked me who these moral reletavists were and i gave you a bunch of current examples of the kind of things going on RIGHT NOW in our society to illustrate that yes there is indeed an agenda out there to normalise pedophilia

 

Ok, I understand, either your easily confused or you don't read properly.

 

No worries, I'll remember that in future.

[Macnamara]

4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Ok, I understand, either your easily confused or you don't read properly.

 

No worries, I'll remember that in future.

 

''thanks mac for helping me understand the conspiracy better so that i can see all of these things within the wider context of the bigger picture. This will help me better navigate my way in this increasingly totalitarian world and in some circumstances may even save my life''

 

you're welcome

Edited December 7, 2022 by Macnamara