The Original Lords Prayer

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Truthblast said:

All have a common personality defect though - they want to live in a boundlessly free world, and they see the Abrahamic morals and ethics as standing squarely in the way of that.

 

they are moral reletavists who want to normalise pedophilia

[pi3141]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

they are moral reletavists who want to normalise pedophilia

 

Who are 'they'?

 

Truthblast said in general people who don't accept Abrahamic religious morals.

 

So do you think anyone that doesn't accept the morals of Christianity, Judaism or Islam is a pedophile?

[Truthblast]

2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Who are 'they'?

 

Truthblast said in general people who don't accept Abrahamic religious morals.

 

So do you think anyone that doesn't accept the morals of Christianity, Judaism or Islam is a pedophile?

 

I meant the very fundamentals of these religions:

 

Don't kill, don't steal, don't lie and similar.

 

Things that nobody who is decent should do to others, whether they believe in God or not.

 

If you wanted to NORMALIZE BAD BEHAVIOUR in the time people like Blavatzky lived in, how would you do it?

 

1) You would cast doubt on the very origins of the religion - try to convince everyone that they are a fraud essentially

 

2) You would then try to popularize your OWN pseudo-religion, which is supposedly more LOGICAL than the old ones

 

3) Since you control this PSEUDO-RELIGION, you would have the ability to - over the decades - gradually steer it further and further away from anything that is actually morally defensible or good for society

 

4) This would allow you to NORMALIZE behaviour and "freedoms" which a true religion would never condone

 

5) When your little cult then gets caught doing absolutely reprehensible things, the public OUTCRY would be very MUTED, because you have DISTORTED many peoples' sense of RIGHT AND WRONG

 

6) As a BONUS, you can claim that you would never do what you are accused of, because you are a HIGH PRIEST OR PRIESTESS of a LOGICAL religion, you see?

 

 

Today, social engineering focuses on different things - scaring you wittless that mad Jihadis may blow you up for example.

 

 

Back then, Religion was THE serious problem for the bad guys.

 

 

These were times when a more conservative society would TEAR YOU TO PIECES for committing certain types of actions.

 

 

So these BAD ACTORS felt they had to FIND A WAY TO DISRUPT MORAL OUTRAGE ROOTED IN RELIGIOUS MORALS AND ETHICS.

 

 

Their DEGENERACY would be LESS LIKELY TO BE PUNISHED if REAL RELIGIONS COULD BE WEAKENED OR DONE AWAY WITH.

 

 

Instead of making THEMSELVES compatible with the values of society, they tried to BEND SOCIETY towards BECOMING MORE LIKE THEMSELVES.

 

 

They did NOT WANT TO CHANGE, so THEY TRIED TO TRICK EVERYONE ELSE INTO BECOMING MORE ACCEPTING OF THEM.

 

 

Which is why SO MANY CRACKPOT INTERPRETATIONS OF VARIOUS REAL RELIGIONS ARE IN THE WILD TODAY.

 

 

200 years ago, they COULD ONLY MANIPULATE CONSERVATIVE SOCIETY BY MANIPULATING THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

 

 

You can still see attempts at doing this TODAY, in the 21st century.

 

 

 

 

[Campion]

13 hours ago, Macnamara said:

so enforcement of the law doesn't really have anything to do with preventing people from emotional harm as people like me are being caused emotional harm and distress daily by what is going on in the world. What it is really about is silencing anything that does not accord with the agenda

 

This is the point when the agenda goes public, the government, police, justice system, media, sports and even the military have been made 'woke'  so they calculated when to start putting the boot in traditional culture without having a mass uprising. 

@Truthblast

 

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5) When your little cult then gets caught doing absolutely reprehensible things, the public OUTCRY would be very MUTED, because you have DISTORTED many peoples' sense of RIGHT AND WRONG

 The new pseudo-religion has progressed to this stage now, although it's not all down to Mme Blavatsky and Henry Olcott's Theosophical Society. The move to religious pluralism and relativism has many branches. 

I just saw an interesting version of Theosophy's logo (in wiki) incorporating various symbols from east and west, the serpent surrounding the star of David, but not including the Christian crucifix: 

 

 

There's the Egyptian Ankh at the centre, perhaps a reference to where they thought these other religions came from: Egyptian mystery schools. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Campion

[Truthblast]

15 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

This is the point when the agenda goes public, the government, police, justice system, media, sports and even the military have been made 'woke'  so they calculated when to start putting the boot in traditional culture without having a mass uprising. 

@Truthblast

 

 The new pseudo-religion has progressed to this stage now, although it's not all down to Mme Blavatsky and Henry Olcott's Theosophical Society. The move to religious pluralism and relativism has many branches. 

I just saw an interesting version of Theosophy's logo (in wiki) incorporating various symbols from east and west, the serpent surrounding the star of David, but not including the Christian crucifix: 

 

 

There's the Egyptian Ankh at the centre, perhaps a reference to where they thought these other religions came from: Egyptian mystery schools. 

 

The interesting thing about these people:

 

1) The mere existence of Jesus seems to be a huuuge problem for them

 

2) All other religions on the other hand are treated much better by them

 

3) They seem to think that these other religions can be easily hijacked or otherwise used for their own ends

 

4) Christianity on the other hand appears to be "the big problem which just won't go away" as far as they are concerned

 

5) These people may be the direct blood descendents of families which held absolute power long before Christ appeared 2000 years ago

 

6) This may include the Egyptian Pharaohs and other tyrants from that era

 

7) They may be trying to regain the absolute power their families lost back then

 

 

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, Truthblast said:

5) These people may be the direct blood descendents of families which held absolute power long before Christ appeared 2000 years ago

 

6) This may include the Egyptian Pharaohs and other tyrants from that era

 

7) They may be trying to regain the absolute power their families lost back then

 

 

 

I agree with these points.

 

Not so much the rest.

 

I'd still like to know who 'these' people are, from yours an Mac's description - moral reletavists and any non Abrahamic religious person, sounds like you mean any Atheist, Hindu or Buddhist etc are all pedophile's?

[pi3141]

This thread was supposed  to be about the Lords Prayer, now its all pedophile's and Freemasons and Marxists and an attack on non religious people.

 

Way to drag a positive thread down!

 

You do the work for them.

[Macnamara]

23 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Who are 'they'?

 

the people driving through these agendas

WTF is she saying..? EVIL.

 

[Macnamara]

6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

This thread was supposed  to be about the Lords Prayer, now its all pedophile's and Freemasons and Marxists and an attack on non religious people.

 

its a conspiracy forum created for people to discuss the conspiracy and all the ways in which it is impacting our world

[Campion]

7 hours ago, pi3141 said:

8 hours ago, pi3141 said:

I'd still like to know who 'these' people are, from yours an Mac's description - moral reletavists and any non Abrahamic religious person, sounds like you mean any Atheist, Hindu or Buddhist etc are all pedophile's?

 

 

 

Most relativists are well-meaning people trying to respect the diversity we find ourselves in. To some extent it's a good thing, however in excess relativism is corrosive of the cultural foundations which bind us together in a cohesive society. Which is why it's being heavily promoted by the Illuminati. At first it seems attractive because it provides new experiences, perspectives and freedoms; but this is addictive and leads to us losing our roots. 

 

Also there's plenty of absolutists outside the Abrahamic religions: I know plenty of atheists who use rationalism as an absolute for example. I'd say it tends to be people who mix belief systems together who need to relativise, to reconcile them. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Campion

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Most relativists are well-meaning people trying to respect the diversity we find ourselves in. To some extent it's a good thing, however in excess relativism is corrosive of the cultural foundations which bind us together in a cohesive society. Which is why it's being heavily promoted by the Illuminati. At first it seems attractive because it provides new experiences, perspectives and freedoms; but this is addictive and leads to us losing our roots. 

 

Also there's plenty of absolutists outside the Abrahamic religions: I know plenty of atheists who use rationalism as an absolute for example. I'd say it tends to be people who mix belief systems together who need to relativise, to reconcile them. 

 

Between their two posts, they are stating, that in general, anyone who doesn't adhere to Abrahamic religions are moral relativists who encourage pedophilia.

 

I think this is a major sweeping generalization of the population.

 

I know plenty of atheists and they do not encourage pedophilia.

 

This is a ridiculous position to hold.

[Campion]

2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Between their two posts, they are stating, that in general, anyone who doesn't adhere to Abrahamic religions are moral relativists who encourage pedophilia.

 

I think this is a major sweeping generalization of the population.

 

I know plenty of atheists and they do not encourage pedophilia.

 

This is a ridiculous position to hold.

 

I don't understand the issue so I'll leave it. 

But I would just say that I haven't yet seen a convincing proof that any morality or religion is Absolute. They may be internally consistent, they may even be experienced by the believer as absolute, but as soon as they put it into words it becomes relative. 

 

"The common thread with people like Blavatsky is that they wanted "unlimited freedoms" for themselves, which obviously flies in the face of what the Abrahamic religions mandate." 

 

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, this is only a problem imo if the unlimited freedom is limited to a few narcissistic individuals like Blavatsky. Which sounds like a contradiction anyway. If everyone has unlimited freedom equally, then it's not a problem because the rest of us will use our freedom collectively to club together and create a justice system which prevents or punishes people like that from breaking our rules. It won't be perfect because most people are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation with which to use their free will. 

 

Oh hang on, that sounds rather like the world we live in already! 

[pi3141]

On 11/29/2022 at 11:31 PM, Truthblast said:

I meant the very fundamentals of these religions:

 

I know the fundamentals of religions, I am asking who are the pedophiles, because from what I read, you are saying - in general - anyone - who doesn't follow an Abrahamic religion is classed as 'They' and Macnamarra has said 'They' are all moral relativists who want to encourage pedophilia.

 

So from your two posts, you appear to be saying any Atheist, secular or even a person a member of another religion which is not Abrahamic are ALL Pedophiles!

 

Is this true - is this what you think?

Edited December 1, 2022 by pi3141

[pi3141]

On 11/29/2022 at 5:03 PM, Truthblast said:

But just in general, people who cannot or will not stick to the morals and ethics prescribed by the Abrahamic religions have ALWAYS tried to discredit the religions and religious texts in some way.

 

 

"Bla bla... this was wrong... bla bla... this was originally written like X instead..."

 

 

 

It is easy to do because NOBODY can go back 2000 years and see for themselves what really happened then and in ages before that.

 

 

There is a whole group of supposed "Bible researchers" out there who believe that even Jesus didn't exist and was a made up character from the beginning.

 

 

All have a common personality defect though - they want to live in a boundlessly free world, and they see the Abrahamic morals and ethics as standing squarely in the way of that.

 

 

Ok, so here's an academic article which supports Blavatsky's view. This article is from a 'Bible Researcher' and she's describing the emergence of Satan in Christianity and Judaism etc.

 

So according to you and Mac's view, this lady, is probably a moral relativist who wants to encourage pedophilia and live in a boundlessly free world? 

 

From World History Encyclopedia

 

The Origin of Satan

Satan, or the Devil, is one of the best-known characters in the Western traditions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Surprisingly, this entity was a late-comer in the ancient world. Satan, as a totally evil being, is nowhere to be found in the Jewish Bible. He evolved during the height of the Persian Achaemenid Empire (beginning c. 550 BCE) and was adopted by Jews living under Persian rule at the time. 

 

Rebecca I. Denova, Ph. D. is Emeritus Professor of Early Christianity in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of Pittsburgh. In addition to ancient Christianity, she teaches courses on the religions of ancient Greece and Rome and the religions of ancient Egypt. She has recently completed a textbook, 'Religions of Greece and Rome' (Wiley-Blackwell, July 2021) for undergraduate courses. Dr. Denova is a frequent contributor of book reviews on the ancient world for the American Academy of Religion and the Society of Biblical Literature.

 

Link - https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1685/the-origin-of-satan/

[Mr H]

On 11/26/2022 at 7:12 PM, BeeThrive said:

hey Mr H

 

I think i get your perspective, but want to ask for clarification - what is the thought ‘plane/field’ created by? 
 

You say your thoughts and feelings are not choice, otherwise Ms crawford would be busy!….so what determines what thoughts ‘stick’ to mr H and which pass by?

 

This is an excellent question.

 

If we answer from the perspective of truth. The answer is, that all things are, and are created by consciousness. We cannot ask the why question of consciousness. It doesn't need a why, that's us that need a an answer to why?  the best answer to that is , it is, or it partakes in activity out of love. Or because it can. But none of these answers are really true.

 

The conclusion that thoughts and feelings are not selected by MR H - is provable by experience, in my experience when I take a close look at the processes as I explained earlier the process.

 

MR H isn't really an entity in his own right, "he" is an activity of consciousness. Similarly thoughts and feelings are activities of consciousness.

 

When we speak relatively - that is from the perspective that MR H is a real person and that this illusion is real -  and why he receives particular thoughts and feelings I can only speculate using my own experience. And I would say that it is likely due to conditioning (past events), environment and identity association.

Edited December 1, 2022 by Mr H

[pi3141]

On 11/29/2022 at 5:03 PM, Truthblast said:

 

Sorry to go back so far in the thread but Helena Blavatsky is not a reliable source because she was a mystic/pagan who tried to create her own hodge-podge quasi-religion to replace the Abrahamic religions and possibly also wanted to be seen as the High-Priestess of this new pseudo-religion.

 

She was very good at presenting herself as a very learned person, and is described as having a great charisma because of it.

 

There is a story where someone entered Albert Einstein's study and was surprised to see that Einstein had a thoroughly read copy of one of Blavatsky's books on his table. When the man asked in surprise why Einstein of all people read Blavatsky, Einstein replied "All the secrets of the world are in this book."

 

Einstein then "proved" that nothing "can go faster than light".

 

The BBC in particular uses this "speed limit" today to argue that extraterrestrials could never reach us because they would have to travel for hundreds of thousands of year to reach Earth at all.

 

I believe that Blavatsky was a Freemason who was paid handsomely to discredit the Abrahamic religions and spread her/their own THEOSOPHY pseudo-religion instead.

 

Shabatay Zevi did the same thing - he went around promoting an inverted and disgustingly degenerate religion of his own and soon had hundreds of thousands of followers.

 

The common thread with people like Blavatsky is that they wanted "unlimited freedoms" for themselves, which obviously flies in the face of what the Abrahamic religions mandate.

 

So they produced plausible sounding arguments and "evidence" claiming that the Abrahamic religions "are not quite what they seem".

 

And this was quite easy in a time where access to books or travel was far more limited than today.

 

Blavatsky could present herself as a "travelling researcher" who "found strange evidence" in various countries and places others could not travel to.

 

And people back then couldn't exactly open Google or email someone living 5000 miles away and check whether Blavatsky told the truth.

 

Madame Blavatsky simply had to act very learned, well travelled and worldly, and then many people would take her seriously by default.

 

I've seen a photograph of Blavatsky and her cold gaze gave me the creeps.

 

 

But just in general, people who cannot or will not stick to the morals and ethics prescribed by the Abrahamic religions have ALWAYS tried to discredit the religions and religious texts in some way.

 

 

"Bla bla... this was wrong... bla bla... this was originally written like X instead..."

 

 

 

It is easy to do because NOBODY can go back 2000 years and see for themselves what really happened then and in ages before that.

 

 

There is a whole group of supposed "Bible researchers" out there who believe that even Jesus didn't exist and was a made up character from the beginning.

 

 

All have a common personality defect though - they want to live in a boundlessly free world, and they see the Abrahamic morals and ethics as standing squarely in the way of that.

 

 

I don't like or trust what I have seen of Blavatsky.

 

Got another on for you, another Bible researcher who agrees with Blavtsky and her analysis on Lucifer.

 

Is he another Bible researcher with a personality defect who wants to start his own pseudo religion while encouraging pedophilia?

 

 

he Lucifer Myth

By Dr. Roy B. Blizzard

A recently discovered mask of the Greek god Pan was featured on the front page of the November/December 2015 issue of the Biblical Archaeological Review. This large, bronze mask is not only impressive and unique but helps shed light on a passage of scripture in the New Testament text of the Book of Matthew Chapter 16 as well as Jerome’s fifth century Vulgate translation of of the Old Testament Book of Isaiah Chapter 14.

 

Link - https://www.biblescholars.org/2013/05/the-lucifer-myth.html

 

Some Bio on the researcher -

 

Dr. Roy B. Blizzard is President of Bible Scholars, a Texas-based organization dedicated to biblical research and education.

A native of Joplin, Missouri, Dr. Blizzard attended Oklahoma Military Academy and has a B.A. degree from Philips University in Enid, Oklahoma. He has an M.A. degree from Eastern New Mexico University in Portales, New Mexico, an M.A. degree from the University of Texas at Austin, and a Ph.D. in Hebrew Studies from the University of Texas at Austin.

From 1968 to June 1974, he was an instructor in Hebrew, Biblical History and Biblical Archaeology at the University of Texas at Austin.

 

 

So what do you reckon - another definite pedo?

 

@Macnamara  what do you think - is this guy a pedo or moral reletavist?

 

[Macnamara]

15 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

@Macnamara  what do you think - is this guy a pedo or moral reletavist?

 

i don't know enough about the guy to make a statement either way

 

what i do know having observed the psychopaths for many years now is that you will never get a signed confession from them. Bill gates will never announce to the world that he isn't in fact a kind hearted person seeking to improve the lot of humanity. He hasn't chosen to invest in clean water or organic food production or effective sewage and housing. No instead he has invested in monsanto, GMO's, geoengineering, GMO mosquito's and vaccines.

 

So i think there is a lot of truth in the biblical maxim 'judge a tree by its fruit'. The bad guys don't wear evil masks like in hollywood movies. Usually they try to present themselves as in fact benevolent people seeking to help the world. So what people say can be misleading whereas what they actually DO is what will show you their true intent.

 

So when we see people choosing to spend their time deconstructing western civilisation and the christendom it was built upon i think its fair to ask what their true intent is. Are they trying to champion the freedom of humanity or are they in fact just acting as the brownshirts of an agenda to sweep the board clean so that a dictatorial technocracy can be built in its place?

 

So for me when i look at this whole picture i try to take a step back and be streetwise instead of rashly assisting those that would do us and our societies harm.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Macnamara

[pi3141]

15 hours ago, Macnamara said:

I don't know enough about the guy to make a statement either way

 

OK, well perhaps you can give me some names of those you have investigated and found to be moral reletavists.

 

Then I will check my collection and see if I have any of their works.

 

Then I won't 'rashly' be helping them will I.

 

@Truthblast Same for you which Bible researchers have you found to have personality defects and should be avoided. I want to see if I am quoting from their works.

[pi3141]

16 hours ago, Macnamara said:

So when we see people choosing to spend their time deconstructing western civilisation and the christendom it was built upon i think its fair to ask what their true intent is. Are they trying to champion the freedom of humanity or are they in fact just acting as the brownshirts of an agenda to sweep the board clean so that a dictatorial technocracy can be built in its place?

 

So what do you think of David Icke?

 

He's spent the last 20 and more years deconstructing Christendom.

 

I didn't realise you held such strong Christian views, which church do you attend, what Bible do you study?

[EnigmaticWorld]

8 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

So what do you think of David Icke?

 

He's spent the last 20 and more years deconstructing Christendom.

 

Maybe, but that's not all he does.

[Morpheus]

1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Maybe, but that's not all he does.

Just to add, neither is he correct on everything either. 

[alexa]

1 hour ago, pi3141 said:

 

So what do you think of David Icke?

 

He's spent the last 20 and more years deconstructing Christendom.

 

 

He's also spent a lot of time talking about Satanist's & Lucifer, you can't have one with out the other.

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

 

He's also spent a lot of time talking about Satanist's & Lucifer, you can't have one with out the other.

 

And he said this - 

 

The Christian Bible is a symbolic book, not a literal one. The one Christians know as Jesus was actually a symbol for the sun. Ancient sun worshippers believed the sun died at the end of the winter solstice and then three days later it would be reborn at the start of its cycle - December 25.— David Icke

 

 

Which is exactly what I write yet @Macnamara says I 'rashly' seek to support certain views yet my views coincide with DI's?

 

So it's all a bit confusing since I'm writing about what DI writes but according  to mac and Truthblast people who write about these things are attacking society and Macnamara's treasured Christendom and they tell me people with these views have personality defects and seek to encourage pedophilia.

 

I don't get that at all from David Ickes work or the work of the Biblical scholars I read, so I'm really wondering exactly who they are talking about and why they raised it with me on this thread when it seems it has absolutely no bearing on the discussion or the majority of the authors I quote from?

 

Answers please @Macnamara and @Truthblast

[alexa]

4 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

And he said this - 

 

The Christian Bible is a symbolic book, not a literal one. The one Christians know as Jesus was actually a symbol for the sun. Ancient sun worshippers believed the sun died at the end of the winter solstice and then three days later it would be reborn at the start of its cycle

 

Yes we all know how the story goes, this for those who worship the sun, it's called paganism. Actually Jesus wasn't born in December, which I've already pointed out.

[TheConsultant]

31 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

And he said this - 

 

The Christian Bible is a symbolic book, not a literal one. The one Christians know as Jesus was actually a symbol for the sun. Ancient sun worshippers believed the sun died at the end of the winter solstice and then three days later it would be reborn at the start of its cycle - December 25.— David Icke

 

 

Which is exactly what I write yet @Macnamara says I 'rashly' seek to support certain views yet my views coincide with DI's?

As much respect and love as I have for DI, he is not 100% correct on everything, he is human after all and as such prone to error. The symbol for the sun is still alive and well in the Vatican, Gog and Dagon which is where the popes hat comes from (which I said was magog a while back because I am also a human, twat and fuck stuff up). Sun worship is hidden in what we call Christianity and it all relates to Ancient Egypt and a cult currently pulling strings in far too many peoples lives. Nothing to do with a person who was called Jesus as far as I am aware. The Swastika is another symbol for the sun dontcha know, as is the celtic cross amongst other things which I believe all have the same origins being at least ancient egypt if not before.

Edited December 3, 2022 by TheConsultant