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2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Prayer.

 

Prayer is not magik, prayer is connecting with the collective unconscious, the collective unconscious is not magik either, we exist within it, not outside of it, we are beings of light and when we cohere we exchange the hopes, dreams and needs, from this side of existence to the other in the same moment, the [D]ark [S]ide actors try to force it, control it, which is evil.

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8 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

Prayer is not magik, prayer is connecting with the collective unconscious, the collective unconscious is not magik either, we exist within it, not outside of it, we are beings of light and when we cohere we exchange the hopes, dreams and needs, from this side of existence to the other in the same moment, the [D]ark [S]ide actors try to force it, control it, which is evil.

 

I don't agree with this view.

 

God is not just the collective unconscious, there exist that, I agree but God is above an beyond that. Because God is everything and everywhere I guess you will find traces in the collective unconscious because by definition, there couldn't be a collective unconscious with out a collective of people and God created us, so yes there is a connection but beyond that. I don't agree with your view.

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More magic in Christianity - 

 

Alpha course
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

The Alpha course is an evangelistic course which seeks to introduce the basics of the Christian faith through a series of talks and discussions. It is described by its organisers as "an opportunity to explore the meaning of life".[1] Alpha courses are run in churches, homes, workplaces, prisons, universities and a wide variety of other locations. The course began in Britain and is run around the world by various Christian denominations.

 

Doctrine

Within evangelical Protestantism the most controversial element of Alpha is what is considered to be its charismatic slant.[according to whom?] Three of the fifteen sessions are given to the person and work of the Holy Spirit and cover the infilling of the Spirit; speaking in tongues and healing via prayer. Conversion stories in the book of Acts (see 2:1ff, 9:17-19, 10:44-46, 19:1-6) are seen as normative.

 

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_course

 

 

What Does “Speaking In Tongues” Mean?

 

Glossolalia has been noted to have been part of non-Christian religious sects as well. Glossolalia was practiced by followers of ancient Greek religions and the Bible stated that it was commonly practiced among the “pagans.” Forms of glossolalia have been practiced in a variety of religions around the world, including Haitian Voodoo, African and Asian shamanistic religions, Alaskan native religions, and Buddhism.

 

Link - https://www.dictionary.com/e/speaking-in-tongues/

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4 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Are there any other writings similar to Blavatsky that you've read? 

 

I just finished this - 

 

The Origins and Early Development of the Antichrist Myth
Gregory C. Jenks

 

Link - https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110869545/html?lang=en

 

The Blurb - 

The series Beihefte zur Zeitschrift für die neutestamentliche Wissenschaft (BZNW) is one of the oldest and most highly regarded international scholarly book series in the field of New Testament studies. Since 1923 it has been a forum for seminal works focusing on Early Christianity and related fields. The series is grounded in a historical-critical approach and also explores new methodological approaches that advance our understanding of the New Testament and its world.

 

 

From the book  (it was originally a thesis) - 

 

This thesis represents the result of investigations into the origins and development of the Antichrist myth in early Christianity. Research into this question developed a broad character, requiring attention to a wide range of Jewish and Christian literature from the period ca 200 BCE to 300 CE. Where many doctoral studies involve detailed attention to a relatively small field, this topic has required a different approach. Instead of close attention to a single text or passage, or the views of one particular person, this research has involved the examination of numerous ancient texts from diverse backgrounds and attention to a large body of secondary literature. It is an attempt at a synthesis, and as such it builds on the detailed work of numerous other scholars who have invested their labours in the specific texts and issues. At the same time, this study does offer detailed proposals on specific matters of interpretation and, in particular, takes issue with the majority views on the origins and development of the Antichrist myth.

 

 

I guess I should update my thread with my notes and references from this book. It explains how the Antichrist and Satan are just church myths born out of earlier Babylonian dragon and combat myths. Its an interesting read. Scholarly, but still occult in nature, it explores the myths from a scholarly point of view, Madam Blavatsky argued the same from an initiate point of view. Her source in the 1800's was through spiritualist teachers, ours now is through scholars and archaeologists and especially Philology and Etymology.

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7 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Her source in the 1800's was through spiritualist teachers,

 

I've come across modern day channelers too who receive teachings from ascended masters or other spiritual teachers in the astral realms. It's rather like mediumship.  But I can't see any essential difference between that and Biblical (or Koranic) prophets receiving revelations from angels or beings who they call God/ the Holy Spirit etc.  At the end of the day it's creating a movement where a few people (prophets and priests who have and interpret the revelations) have control over the masses who don't have direct access to these teachings but are expected to be passive consumers. That's why I gravitate towards spirituality which allows direct experience, such as meditation - and perhaps explains the recent popularity of things like the charismatic movement in Christianity.  

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12 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

I don't agree with this view.

 

God is not just the collective unconscious, there exist that, I agree but God is above an beyond that. Because God is everything and everywhere I guess you will find traces in the collective unconscious because by definition, there couldn't be a collective unconscious with out a collective of people and God created us, so yes there is a connection but beyond that. I don't agree with your view.

Yes God is everything and everywhere I share this assertion, and it was for this reason I stopped prayer, because I realised I was praying to myself!

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I believe prayer is every thought we think, and made more powerful if coupled with feeling.

 

Hence black or white magic - a thought and feeling of ill or of good.

 

Its often said religious prayers recited out of habit, just babbled by the lips without emotion, are far less effective than everyday ‘thought prayers’, for instance, tripping on your way out of church and with annoyance (emotion) think “shucks, im always tripping on stairs!”.

 

You find the peace for the world, you recite from scripture daily devoid of heartfelt emotion, rarely seems to manifest, yet every staircase you do in fact trip upon 😜 The power of prayer is defined by heartfelt emotional thoughts.
 

“Be careful what you wish for” is an adage of wisdom due to the power of prayer/thought/emotion

 

’satan’ is ‘ill-thinking/feeling/fear thought/destruction/harm thought-prayer, God is ‘good thinking, hopeful, building, creative, generous, loving feeling thought-prayer. 
 

“In the beginning was the word” - thought ….then creation springs from that..

 

We do the same, think first, then act(ion) proceeds from thought. 
 

Our entire lives, every moment, thought, action, intentions and feelings, are living, sentient prayers every second of every day. 

 


 

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10 hours ago, BeeThrive said:

I believe prayer is every thought we think, and made more powerful if coupled with feeling.

 

Hence black or white magic - a thought and feeling of ill or of good.

 

Its often said religious prayers recited out of habit, just babbled by the lips without emotion, are far less effective than everyday ‘thought prayers’, for instance, tripping on your way out of church and with annoyance (emotion) think “shucks, im always tripping on stairs!”.

 

You find the peace for the world, you recite from scripture daily devoid of heartfelt emotion, rarely seems to manifest, yet every staircase you do in fact trip upon 😜 The power of prayer is defined by heartfelt emotional thoughts.
 

“Be careful what you wish for” is an adage of wisdom due to the power of prayer/thought/emotion

 

’satan’ is ‘ill-thinking/feeling/fear thought/destruction/harm thought-prayer, God is ‘good thinking, hopeful, building, creative, generous, loving feeling thought-prayer. 
 

“In the beginning was the word” - thought ….then creation springs from that..

 

We do the same, think first, then act(ion) proceeds from thought. 
 

Our entire lives, every moment, thought, action, intentions and feelings, are living, sentient prayers every second of every day. 

 


 

That sounds similar to my experience with the manifestation process. What you think and feel you experience.

 

The question then becomes who thinks and feels? When I take a closer look, the person MR H does not have the ability to select from an array of thoughts or feelings which one he would like to pick and then pick that one - otherwise if it were left to MR H, he would be in a state of permanent bliss on a beach somewhere being massaged by Cindy Crawford. These are cosmic phenomena, activities that present themselves and pass through to the apparent entity MR H. MR H then claims to have chosen these thoughts and feelings as an afterthought - necessary to create the story and charecter that is the experience - MR H.

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18 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yes God is everything and everywhere I share this assertion, and it was for this reason I stopped prayer, because I realised I was praying to myself!

 

Are you a pantheist? It's the only type of theism which appeals to me (apart from atheism which is the same destination reached from a different direction).  Or perhaps a nondualist/monist: everything is X and you can substitute anything for X as long as its oneness. Everything is God. Everything is Love. Everything is Consciousness. Everything is Matter. Everything is Prayer. 

  

In fact if Everything is Prayer, then life is one big celebration of God praying to himself and why shouldn't he do that?  "I and the Father are One".  "I am the way the truth and the life" --> self-inquiry? 

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54 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

Are you a pantheist? It's the only type of theism which appeals to me (apart from atheism which is the same destination reached from a different direction).  Or perhaps a nondualist/monist: everything is X and you can substitute anything for X as long as its oneness. Everything is God. Everything is Love. Everything is Consciousness. Everything is Matter. Everything is Prayer. 

  

In fact if Everything is Prayer, then life is one big celebration of God praying to himself and why shouldn't he do that?  "I and the Father are One".  "I am the way the truth and the life" --> self-inquiry? 

I like that, one big celebration. 

 

I don't know what a panthesit is. 

 

I personally don't describe myself as anything in particular, just interested in truth. I've been around the block and studied a lot of things. One teacher who really resonates with me is Francis Lucille and to a lesser extent his student Rupert Spira. They are neo advaita vedantists. I do enjoy self enquiry and going to direct experience rather than hypothecation and theory and beliefs without evidence - which is also fun to do but doesn't lead to peace for me.

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On 11/25/2022 at 2:06 PM, Morpheus said:

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Crowley knocked about with Aunt Bessie, who was a Marxist, knocked about with Marx, Rudolf Steiner, was also part of the fabain society (we know who was part of that club), as was Crowley, show were Satanists/Baal worshipers and this is probably why there is this connection. 

 

Annie Besant is probably a bit more fascinating that Blavatsky

 

Annie's husband had a brother walter who was one of the founding members of the quatuor coronati freemasonic lodge. It was named after 4 jews that were executed by the romans for infiltrating their craft guilds. So that's an interesting connection between the new age movement and freemasonry.

 

Another founding member was charles warren who is known to conspiracy theorists as the guy who led the police investigation into the jack the ripper murder case which famously did NOT catch the killer. But another interesting fact about warren is that prior to his stint in the police he was in the military and he led a detachment of royal engineers to carry out a dig into temple mount in jerusalem. It has been passed down in freemasonic ritual that the knights templar (crypto-jewish order) had themselves dug into the mount and found something.

 

So british occultism has these strong templar roots. Aleister crowley became the head of the order of eastern templars (the OTO).

 

Karl Marx was a blood relative of the rothschild family who also bankrolled the sabbatean leader jacob frank who encouraged his followers to deliberately break societal taboos. I've heard it said that the rothschilds also had a hand in the order of the golden dawn which crowley came out of. Crowley also encouraged his followers to break taboos. Karl marx came out of the rothschild secret society network and the rothschild cabal funded international communism.

 

Crowley's aim was a pagan revival and in his 'book of the law' he calls for horus to peck out the eyes of jesus on the cross. Crowley was waging a war against christianity. Who else was and IS waging a war against christianity? The sabbateans, the rothschilds and the marxists

 

The rothschilds also funded fabian socialism and annie beasant was a fabian. 

 

So all of these things link up and they all have the knives out for christianity. This is because they want to remould christendom into THEIR vision for the world which we can see clearly in the covid era is a technocratic global gulag in which humans are NOT treated as sacred beings created in the image of God but rather the playthings of the 'elect' or 'elders' who believe they can genetically modify people and creation as they see fit

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12 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I don't know what a panthesit is. 

 Pan-theism = everything is God. Mind you, "everything" is as difficult a word to understand as "God". 

 

24 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I've been around the block and studied a lot of things.

 🙏  I feel more alive when I'm doubting myself and searching for the truth than when I think I've arrived. 

 

35 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I do enjoy self enquiry and going to direct experience rather than hypothecation and theory and beliefs without evidence - which is also fun to do but doesn't lead to peace for me.

 This brings me back to prayer, because prayer (such as the Lord's Prayer in the subject of this thread) is verbalisation and when the thinking stops I can't do self-inquiry because the story of the self stops. But maybe that's the whole point of prayer, to use words to get beyond them. 

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23 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

Crowley was waging a war against christianity. Who else was and IS waging a war against christianity? The sabbateans, the rothschilds and the marxists

 

The rothschilds also funded fabian socialism and annie beasant was a fabian. 

 

So all of these things link up and they all have the knives out for christianity. This is because they want to remould christendom into THEIR vision for the world which we can see clearly in the covid era is a technocratic global gulag in which humans are NOT treated as sacred beings created in the image of god but rather the playthings of the 'elect' or 'elders' who believe they can genetically modify people and creation as they see fit

 

Do you think this is a real war against Christianity or a phoney war, because by now surely they have also infiltrated the mainstream religions and are playing both sides off against each other from within. So it's not just Christendom which is being remoulded but also atheistic socialism (which Annie Besant also belonged to in the National Secular Society before performing an intellectual somersault by joining the Theosophists); in a classic military pincer movement on our freedom loving society. 

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10 hours ago, Mr H said:

That sounds similar to my experience with the manifestation process. What you think and feel you experience.

 

The question then becomes who thinks and feels? When I take a closer look, the person MR H does not have the ability to select from an array of thoughts or feelings which one he would like to pick and then pick that one - otherwise if it were left to MR H, he would be in a state of permanent bliss on a beach somewhere being massaged by Cindy Crawford. These are cosmic phenomena, activities that present themselves and pass through to the apparent entity MR H. MR H then claims to have chosen these thoughts and feelings as an afterthought - necessary to create the story and charecter that is the experience - MR H.


hey Mr H 🙂

 

I think i get your perspective, but want to ask for clarification - what is the thought ‘plane/field’ created by? 
 

You say your thoughts and feelings are not choice, otherwise Ms crawford would be busy!….so what determines what thoughts ‘stick’ to mr H and which pass by?

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On 11/27/2022 at 12:24 AM, Campion said:

 

Do you think this is a real war against Christianity or a phoney war, because by now surely they have also infiltrated the mainstream religions and are playing both sides off against each other from within. So it's not just Christendom which is being remoulded but also atheistic socialism (which Annie Besant also belonged to in the National Secular Society before performing an intellectual somersault by joining the Theosophists); in a classic military pincer movement on our freedom loving society. 

 

the whole socialism thing was created by rothschild agent karl marx who came out of the league of the just. They created it as the 'antithesis' to their own 'capitalist' thesis so that they could create a conflict between the two out of which they could synthesise their own pre-planned solution: a TECHNOCRACY'; it's a hegelian dialectic

 

Of course what the fake-left calls 'capitalism' is no such thing because the cabal run the economy as a 'command and control' economy coordinated through the central banks

 

as for the war on christianity it is real:

'It's heresy!': Worshippers left 'in tears' as Cambridge dean claims Jesus may have been TRANSGENDER after row over Christ's wound having a 'vaginal appearance'

  • Cambridge research student claimed Christ had a 'trans body' during a sermon 
  • He compared Christ's side wound depicted in medieval paintings to a vagina
  • Church worshippers cried 'heresy' at the Dean of Trinity College when they left

By Tom Brown For Mailonline

Published: 02:04 GMT, 27 November 2022 | Updated: 10:17 GMT, 28 November 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11473423/Its-heresy-Worshippers-left-tears-Cambridge-dean-claims-Jesus-TRANSGENDER.html

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Crown Prosecution Service Says it is “No Longer Appropriate” to Quote Some Passages From the Bible in Public

A statement by the U.K.’s main prosecution service says it is “no longer appropriate” to read parts of the Bible aloud in public. Christian groups have called the statement “ill-judged” and “concerning”. The Belfast Newsletter has more.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Macnamara said:

as for the war on christianity it is real:

 

What I meant by a phoney war (perhaps civil war is a better name for it) is illustrated in the first article by the fact that the attack on Christianity is coming from within the heart of the Church establishment. The Church hierarchy is already infiltrated by occultists who are using their techniques of inversion and cognitive dissonance against the ordinary lay congregations, who are so shocked because they didn't know that this corruption has already occurred. Their idea of fighting back is to go to the mainstream newspapers, another stronghold of the same cultists, who gleefully publish the bewildering story to cast their spell wider still onto the public at large. 

 

The second story is interesting, not only  that the justice system is overrun with social justice warriors, (also pawns of the same cult). But that here it is Christianity which is being attacked on the surface, however looking at the Biblical quotes in the article they are all from the Old Testament and as I recall, the OT doesn't apply as a whole to Christianity, Whereas it does to Judaism, but the effect of the story (ie the spell) is to demoralise Christians instead. 
 
The two stories also demonstrate another use of the pincer movement I referred to. 

The first one is essentially attacking Christians with relativism: it's fair game to use the today's ideology of trans rights to reinterpret ancient Mediaeval artworks on trans terms, rather than looking at history through eyes of those Mediaeval peoples themselves. It's acceptable for the Church to offend its own members in order to promote this relatvistic freedom of expression. 

 

The second story sttacks with absolutism; causing harassment, alarm or distress is so bad that we must have censorship to stop it. Even censorship of the Bible, and free expression cannot go so far as to offend or challenge Equality. 

 

Clearly there's a contradiction in these two attacks. The Christians are prosecuted for offending others but have to accept the offence against themselves. In principle the same strategy could be used against the trans activists, if they outlive their usefulness which I guess the Christians now have. If only they knew who is behind their current success they may have second thoughts

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On 11/20/2022 at 3:54 PM, pi3141 said:

 

Madam Blavataky says in Isis Unveiled that nothing in Xhristianity is original to Christianity, its all taken from Pagan schools, clasping hands in prayer, calling priest father, lighting candles and incense, praying in temples, the teachings, the rituals, the symbols, everything was borrowed from other cults and mystery schools.

 

There's a reference in my Anchor Bible series (I think, will check) where it explains that in Egypt, the Egyptians lived close to the Nile, which of course was prone to flooding. They used to put stakes in the ground next to the river banks. 

 

When the Nile flooded the Egyptians used to mark the height of the Nile with a horizontal bar fixed to the stake indicating the height of the flooding.

 

Hence when the waters receeded, a load of crosses were seen dotted along the banks of the Nile.

 

This symbol came to be seen as a good luck charm, so the Egyptians made small models of them and hung them round the necks of the sickly or wore it as a good luck charm.

 

The true origin of the cross symbol.

 

Can we substantiate in any way?

 

Archaeology has revealed to us the Romans used either a stake or a cross in the form of an X to crucify victims.

 

Hence it would seem the iconic image of the dying saviour on a T cross is fake.

 

As Blavatsky points out, originally the symbol of the Christians was a Lamb draped around a cross. It was later changed to depict Jesus in all his gory detail glorified to be the iconic image.

 

So, if we know the iconic cross depiction is fake, we know the Christians took the cross from somewhere else and adapted it, embelishing it to make it their own.

 

So while we can't conclusively substantiate the claim - we have a possibilitty. I have found so many 'possibilities' regarding the origin of Christianity, Freemasonry and Judaism its impossible to draw any other conclusion other than - the 3 Abrahamic religions and mystery schools like Freemasonry, Sufism, all take their teachings and symbols from earlier mystery schools, and those schools were Pagan and mostly originated from Egypt but also a fair chunk came from Hinduism in the East. 

 

And here's where it gets really interesting, some say the Hindu's got their knowledge from the Druids of Britain and Europe!

 

(I'm going to reply to another of your posts in the Freemasonry thread where I will illustrate another 'possible' link between Freemasonry, Zoroastrian and Egypt)

 

Sorry to go back so far in the thread but Helena Blavatsky is not a reliable source because she was a mystic/pagan who tried to create her own hodge-podge quasi-religion to replace the Abrahamic religions and possibly also wanted to be seen as the High-Priestess of this new pseudo-religion.

 

She was very good at presenting herself as a very learned person, and is described as having a great charisma because of it.

 

There is a story where someone entered Albert Einstein's study and was surprised to see that Einstein had a thoroughly read copy of one of Blavatsky's books on his table. When the man asked in surprise why Einstein of all people read Blavatsky, Einstein replied "All the secrets of the world are in this book."

 

Einstein then "proved" that nothing "can go faster than light".

 

The BBC in particular uses this "speed limit" today to argue that extraterrestrials could never reach us because they would have to travel for hundreds of thousands of year to reach Earth at all.

 

I believe that Blavatsky was a Freemason who was paid handsomely to discredit the Abrahamic religions and spread her/their own THEOSOPHY pseudo-religion instead.

 

Shabatay Zevi did the same thing - he went around promoting an inverted and disgustingly degenerate religion of his own and soon had hundreds of thousands of followers.

 

The common thread with people like Blavatsky is that they wanted "unlimited freedoms" for themselves, which obviously flies in the face of what the Abrahamic religions mandate.

 

So they produced plausible sounding arguments and "evidence" claiming that the Abrahamic religions "are not quite what they seem".

 

And this was quite easy in a time where access to books or travel was far more limited than today.

 

Blavatsky could present herself as a "travelling researcher" who "found strange evidence" in various countries and places others could not travel to.

 

And people back then couldn't exactly open Google or email someone living 5000 miles away and check whether Blavatsky told the truth.

 

Madame Blavatsky simply had to act very learned, well travelled and worldly, and then many people would take her seriously by default.

 

I've seen a photograph of Blavatsky and her cold gaze gave me the creeps.

 

 

But just in general, people who cannot or will not stick to the morals and ethics prescribed by the Abrahamic religions have ALWAYS tried to discredit the religions and religious texts in some way.

 

 

"Bla bla... this was wrong... bla bla... this was originally written like X instead..."

 

 

 

It is easy to do because NOBODY can go back 2000 years and see for themselves what really happened then and in ages before that.

 

 

There is a whole group of supposed "Bible researchers" out there who believe that even Jesus didn't exist and was a made up character from the beginning.

 

 

All have a common personality defect though - they want to live in a boundlessly free world, and they see the Abrahamic morals and ethics as standing squarely in the way of that.

 

 

I don't like or trust what I have seen of Blavatsky.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Truthblast said:

I don't like or trust what I have seen of Blavatsky.

 

Cheers for the post.

 

A couple of points I would like to pick up, Blavatsky did get an honorary Freemason title but she didn't even do the first 3 degree's or join Masonry. But apparently her close friend was a Mason.

 

Blavatsky did present info that was uncheckable at the time - but we can check now.

 

As I explained, I read Isis and Blavatsky explained (in 1877) the original Bible texts don't say Hell. Well in the 1950's scholars retransmitted the original Biblical texts and they confirm, the Bible does not say Hell.

 

I bought a copy of those translations to prove it to myself, which it did, and further research has confirmed what she said is true.

 

So that's 1-0 to Blavatsky imo.

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17 hours ago, Campion said:

The Christians are prosecuted for offending others but have to accept the offence against themselves.

 

yes but that doesn't just apply to christians....

 

i'm offended daily by what the cabal are doing but no police man or woman is going to support me

 

its only when something is said that is AGAINST the narratives of the cabal that 'offence' matters. In other words only THEIR emotional reaction matters because THEIR views and opinions are held to be the correct ones according to the cabal which is to say that they are deemed correct politically

 

so enforcement of the law doesn't really have anything to do with preventing people from emotional harm as people like me are being caused emotional harm and distress daily by what is going on in the world. What it is really about is silencing anything that does not accord with the agenda

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