The Original Lords Prayer

[pi3141]

The Lords prayer has many variations, depending on your specific denomination. But have you ever wondered what the original prayer was?

 

The Lords prayer as we know it was changed to 'Our Father, who art in Heaven' by King Henry the VIII

 

Here are some versions, taken from the originals.

 

Nazarene, as in Jesus the Nazarene or Nasorean.

 

Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes, who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.
Let Your will come true - in the universe just as on earth.
Give us wisdom for our daily need, detach the
fetters of faults that bind us, like we let go the guilt of others.
Let us not be lost in superficial things, but
let us be freed from that what keeps us from our true purpose.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act, the song that
beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth, I confirm with my entire being.
 

 

from Aramaic into Old English
Translation by G.J.R. Ouseley from The Gospel of the Holy Twelve

Our Father-Mother Who art above and within:
Hallowed be Thy Name in twofold Trinity.
In Wisdom, Love and Equity Thy Kingdom come to all.
Thy will be done, As in Heaven so in Earth.
Give us day by day to partake of Thy holy Bread, and the fruit of
the living Vine.
As Thou dost forgive us our trespasses, so may we forgive others
who trespass against us.
Shew upon us Thy goodness, that to others we may shew the
same.
In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil.
Amun.

 

 

Aramaic directly into modern English

 

“O cosmic Birther of all radiance and vibration, soften the ground of our being and carve out a space within us where your Presence can abide.

Fill us with your creativity so that we may be empowered to bear the fruit of your mission.

Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desire.

Endow us with the wisdom to produce and share what each being needs to grow and flourish.

Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us, as we release others from the entanglement of past mistakes.

Do not let us be seduced by that which would divert us from our true purpose, but illuminate the opportunities of the present moment.

For you are the ground and the fruitful vision, the birth, power, and fulfillment, as all is gathered and made whole once again.

And So It Is!”

 

 

So our 'Father' was not the original, no doubt changed by Men with agenda's.

 

We know God to not be anthropomorphic, it is an energy, subtle, luminous, infinite, eternal, it cannot be described in Human terms.

 

My argument is this, its the Female of the species that gives birth, this is generally natural law, if God is an infinite energy field its neither Male or Female but more likely to be closer to the Female energy than Male, although as a 'Perfect Being' it would most likely be both.

 

It says in Genesis and He made them in His image, well if Man and Woman was created in Gods image then God is both a Male and Female - right?

 

Says so in the Bible. 

 

This notion that God is a He is, once again, rooted in Paganism. It was based on a simplistic view of nature and formed out of Nature and Fertility worshiping cults, which was adopted by the Christians to help convert the Pagans. Pagan priests were known as 'Pater' meaning 'Father' I have a strong suspicion that that is why the RC church chose 'Peter' as its leader.

 

Once again the truth has been changed to alter religious worship.

 

Wonder why that is?

 

 

[novymir]

The masculine and the feminine are ONE undivided. Like to give is to receive.

 

[Campion]

On 11/11/2022 at 12:08 PM, pi3141 said:

The Lords prayer has many variations, depending on your specific denomination. But have you ever wondered what the original prayer was?

  

The Templar Revelation has a theory on the Lords' Prayer and Sermon on the Mount, that they originated in Egyptian religion and travelled via John the Baptist's movement (ie Gnosticism of which Jesus was a member) on to Jesus. In which case the Gospel versions were not the original.  
 
P. 406.
"As long ago as the nineteenth century the great Egyptologist Sir E.A Wallis Budge noted the origins of the opening of the 'Lord's Prayer': an ancient Egyptian prayer to Osiris-Amon begins 'Amon, Amon who art in heaven ...' Clearly this predated both John and Jesus by centuries, and the 'Lord' who is invoked in the prayer is neither Yahweh nor his alleged son, Jesus. So in any case, the 'Lord's Prayer' was not composed by Jesus. " 
 
P 451. 
"As we have seen with the Lord's Prayer, the most familiar - and well-loved - words of Jesus are also, ironically, the most open to question. 'Our Father who art in Heaven' was not a form of words that was invented by Jesus; it seems that John the Baptist was also using them at the time and, in any case they originated in prayers to Osiris-Amon. So it is with the Sermon on the Mount - as Bamber Gascoigne says in his The Christians, 'Nothing in the Sermon on the Mount is exclusively original to Christ.'  
 
They go on to build a theory that the Mandaeans, Cathars, Templars and later on the Freemasons represent a continuation  of John the Baptist's Gnostic religion, itself a development of the Egyptian mystery religion of Osiris, Amon & Isis.  Heady stuff and controversial amongst scholars no doubt, but as good a theory as I've come across anyway.  

Edited November 19, 2022 by Campion

[Campion]

On 11/11/2022 at 12:08 PM, pi3141 said:

In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil.
Amun.

 

Amen = Amun = Egyptian God perhaps? At least that's one version of the etymology of "Amen". 

 

Etymology 3
Proper noun

Amen

1. Alternative form of Amun 

 

(Wiktionary) 

 

In that case all those Christians are invoking an Egyptian pagan God every time they say "Amen" at the end of their prayers  

Edited November 19, 2022 by Campion

[Campion]

3 hours ago, novymir said:

The masculine and the feminine are ONE undivided. Like to give is to receive.

 

I learned from one of Lyall Watson's books, The Romeo Error I think, that death is the price we pay for sex. Having our species divided into male and female for the sake of more efficient evolution (with sex as a motivation) means that we all have a unique identity which is lost at death. Species which are unified and genderless like bacteria procreate by cloning themselves and the whole colony is essentially the same individual copied thousands of times, therefore the identity is effectively immortal. Apart from the occasional deviation of random variations in the DNA sequence which provides for evolution. 

[pi3141]

16 hours ago, Campion said:

as Bamber Gascoigne says in his The Christians, 'Nothing in the Sermon on the Mount is exclusively original to Christ.'  

 

Madam Blavataky says in Isis Unveiled that nothing in Xhristianity is original to Christianity, its all taken from Pagan schools, clasping hands in prayer, calling priest father, lighting candles and incense, praying in temples, the teachings, the rituals, the symbols, everything was borrowed from other cults and mystery schools.

 

There's a reference in my Anchor Bible series (I think, will check) where it explains that in Egypt, the Egyptians lived close to the Nile, which of course was prone to flooding. They used to put stakes in the ground next to the river banks. 

 

When the Nile flooded the Egyptians used to mark the height of the Nile with a horizontal bar fixed to the stake indicating the height of the flooding.

 

Hence when the waters receeded, a load of crosses were seen dotted along the banks of the Nile.

 

This symbol came to be seen as a good luck charm, so the Egyptians made small models of them and hung them round the necks of the sickly or wore it as a good luck charm.

 

The true origin of the cross symbol.

 

Can we substantiate in any way?

 

Archaeology has revealed to us the Romans used either a stake or a cross in the form of an X to crucify victims.

 

Hence it would seem the iconic image of the dying saviour on a T cross is fake.

 

As Blavatsky points out, originally the symbol of the Christians was a Lamb draped around a cross. It was later changed to depict Jesus in all his gory detail glorified to be the iconic image.

 

So, if we know the iconic cross depiction is fake, we know the Christians took the cross from somewhere else and adapted it, embelishing it to make it their own.

 

So while we can't conclusively substantiate the claim - we have a possibilitty. I have found so many 'possibilities' regarding the origin of Christianity, Freemasonry and Judaism its impossible to draw any other conclusion other than - the 3 Abrahamic religions and mystery schools like Freemasonry, Sufism, all take their teachings and symbols from earlier mystery schools, and those schools were Pagan and mostly originated from Egypt but also a fair chunk came from Hinduism in the East. 

 

And here's where it gets really interesting, some say the Hindu's got their knowledge from the Druids of Britain and Europe!

 

(I'm going to reply to another of your posts in the Freemasonry thread where I will illustrate another 'possible' link between Freemasonry, Zoroastrian and Egypt)

[pi3141]

16 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Amen = Amun = Egyptian God perhaps? At least that's one version of the etymology of "Amen". 

 

Etymology 3
Proper noun

Amen

1. Alternative form of Amun 

 

(Wiktionary) 

 

In that case all those Christians are invoking an Egyptian pagan God every time they say "Amen" at the end of their prayers  

 

Yes!

 

And that is why when I go to church I refrain from ending prayers with that dedication. (I attend Quaker, Unitarian and Spiritualist Churches)

 

And it is partly why I say Christians are Sun worshiping Pagans.

 

They pray to the Sun god Amon, on the day of the Sun, in a temple orientated East to West. The birthdate of their saviour is the winter solstice and his ressurection is the spring solstice. The name Jesus Christ means 'Sun God - The Shining One'

 

You see - there are too many coincidences or 'possibilities' where symbols and names can be traced back or rather - first appeared - in Egypt and other ancient peoples writings.

 

They found the name Yahweh on an Egyptian temple, the Biblical flood story comes from the Bagavad Gita.

 

There are so many coincidences or things you can point and say 'did they take that from the Egyptians?' Or 'Did they take that from the Hindu's?' Where the answer is  'Its possible'

 

To me now, its glaringly obvious and the Freemasons teach their people exactly that. That Christianity and other Abrahamic religions grew out of the earlier Pagan mystery schools.

 

Which rather leads to a disturbing conclusion.

 

There may exist, an unbroken mystery school of adepts who have existed since the dawn of time that have created, controlled and manipulated ALL religious movements right from the beginning and continuing throughout our history and still exist today.

 

I see evidence for this conclusion.

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by pi3141

[novymir]

18 hours ago, Campion said:

 

I learned from one of Lyall Watson's books, The Romeo Error I think, that death is the price we pay for sex. Having our species divided into male and female for the sake of more efficient evolution (with sex as a motivation) means that we all have a unique identity which is lost at death. Species which are unified and genderless like bacteria procreate by cloning themselves and the whole colony is essentially the same individual copied thousands of times, therefore the identity is effectively immortal. Apart from the occasional deviation of random variations in the DNA sequence which provides for evolution. 

Yeah, they got all sorts of claims, stories, and rabbit holes. Some might be useful, some(most) the opposite.

 

The experience of unreality must end in "death"....because only Reality(and Real Life Being) is Eternal. Therefore there is no real death at all, only the awakening from a dream of deceit.

This world and life ultimately is much ado about nothing...(...just call me "Captain Buzzkiller", haha).

[BeeThrive]

On 11/20/2022 at 12:54 PM, pi3141 said:

 

Madam Blavataky says in Isis Unveiled that nothing in Xhristianity is original to Christianity, its all taken from Pagan schools, clasping hands in prayer, calling priest father, lighting candles and incense, praying in temples, the teachings, the rituals, the symbols, everything was borrowed from other cults and mystery schools.

 

There's a reference in my Anchor Bible series (I think, will check) where it explains that in Egypt, the Egyptians lived close to the Nile, which of course was prone to flooding. They used to put stakes in the ground next to the river banks. 

 

When the Nile flooded the Egyptians used to mark the height of the Nile with a horizontal bar fixed to the stake indicating the height of the flooding.

 

Hence when the waters receeded, a load of crosses were seen dotted along the banks of the Nile.

 

This symbol came to be seen as a good luck charm, so the Egyptians made small models of them and hung them round the necks of the sickly or wore it as a good luck charm.

 

The true origin of the cross symbol.

 

Can we substantiate in any way?

 

Archaeology has revealed to us the Romans used either a stake or a cross in the form of an X to crucify victims.

 

Hence it would seem the iconic image of the dying saviour on a T cross is fake.

 

As Blavatsky points out, originally the symbol of the Christians was a Lamb draped around a cross. It was later changed to depict Jesus in all his gory detail glorified to be the iconic image.

 

So, if we know the iconic cross depiction is fake, we know the Christians took the cross from somewhere else and adapted it, embelishing it to make it their own.

 

So while we can't conclusively substantiate the claim - we have a possibilitty. I have found so many 'possibilities' regarding the origin of Christianity, Freemasonry and Judaism its impossible to draw any other conclusion other than - the 3 Abrahamic religions and mystery schools like Freemasonry, Sufism, all take their teachings and symbols from earlier mystery schools, and those schools were Pagan and mostly originated from Egypt but also a fair chunk came from Hinduism in the East. 

 

And here's where it gets really interesting, some say the Hindu's got their knowledge from the Druids of Britain and Europe!

 

(I'm going to reply to another of your posts in the Freemasonry thread where I will illustrate another 'possible' link between Freemasonry, Zoroastrian and Egypt)

Thats interesting about the cross symbolism origins - i never knew that! it amazes me how symbols are twisted and turned throughout millennia to come to mean completely different things compared to their origin.

 

Michael Tsarion’s research/understanding posits the likelihood that the ‘origin of wisdom’ from Atlantis - made its way initially to europe - druidic - which then went onto the east- vedic. 
The notion common today that spiritual knowledge originated in the east, and travelled west, is highly, and convincingly, disputed by him.

 

Im inclined to agree with him from my symbolism research and doctrine research.

Even vedic knowledge has its ‘addendums’ that seem socially egoic, and not in line with absolute universal wisdom - which i think atlanteans had (and its abuse ended their continent with cataclysm akin to the flood of the biblical ages.

 

The atlanteans pre ice-age wisdom seems to have been known worldwide, when we look at ancient structures, that are mostly post ice-age, they still tell a very interesting story of the ‘condition of man’ and reality.

 

Thank you for posting the original lord’s prayers - they are truly wonderful and full of understanding.

 

On 11/20/2022 at 1:13 PM, pi3141 said:

To me now, its glaringly obvious and the Freemasons teach their people exactly that. That Christianity and other Abrahamic religions grew out of the earlier Pagan mystery schools.

 

Which rather leads to a disturbing conclusion.

 

There may exist, an unbroken mystery school of adepts who have existed since the dawn of time that have created, controlled and manipulated ALL religious movements right from the beginning and continuing throughout our history and still exist today.

I see it from a slightly different angle - the knowledge from ancient mystery schools has been discovered and corrupted by new groups/religions - due to their ignorance they have translated universal truths and brought them down to the level of their ego’s. As mankind has been diving into ‘kali yuga’ these past few thousand years, we expect to see a complete bastardisation of Truth and Wisdom, used for egoic ends - and for me personally, i see these distortions as proof that no lineage from True knowledge has been involved in causing corruption, as that is entirely against their Wisdom. They know better than to corrupt God for personal gain, as history has taught if nothing else. 
 

I see the corruption of Truth and Wisdom to be akin to chinese whispers over the ages, truths distorted by cultural ego minds. Hence why in islam we have men who can dominate wisdom ‘because the prophet said’ - that prophet born into a conditioning of such a violent culture against women, his ‘personal wisdom’ therefore extended to saying ‘god says’ - which all delusional ego’s sink to. 
Christianity and judaism are peppered with similar ‘god says’ attributes, written by a culture at the time that wanted to justify their egoic sickness. 

 

These texts need to be read from the inner soul/spirit within, then the truth mixed with lies is easily discerned/understood/seen. Read with an egoic cultured-conditioned mind, it’ll be taken literally, and Absolute Truth utterly lost. 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by BeeThrive

[pi3141]

4 hours ago, BeeThrive said:

Michael Tsarion’s research/understanding posits the likelihood that the ‘origin of wisdom’ from Atlantis - made its way initially to europe - druidic - which then went onto the east- vedic. 

 

Thanks for your post, interesting read.

 

Just picking up on this quote for now.

 

I somewhat agree or though its hard to prove. But I'll go further.

 

Apparently, the Hindu's have a word for 'Holy Land' which some of their mystics think of as Britain.

 

So I think its possible the knowledge came from Britain, went East to Asia, got taught to mystics in the middle east, by figures like the one we call Jesus, (the Buddhists have arecord of him visiting them and learning Buddhism which he took back with him) which got picked up and incorporated into Christianity and then came full circle back to Europe and the British Druids.

 

Apparently the druids recognized Christianity as coincidental with their teachings they invited the priests to build churches in their sacred groves and pretty much converted on the spot.

 

Constantine used teachings from the Hindu's and the Druids as well as teachings from the Essenes, Gnostics and Christians like the one we call Jesus to invent his fictional Jesus Christ or Hesus Kristos as he was originally known. (Hesus from the Druids, Kristos from the Hindu's)

[alexa]

On 11/20/2022 at 1:13 PM, pi3141 said:

And it is partly why I say Christians are Sun worshiping Pagans.

 

They pray to the Sun god Amon, on the day of the Sun, in a temple orientated East to West. The birthdate of their saviour is the winter solstice and his ressurection is the spring solstice. The name Jesus Christ means 'Sun God - The Shining One'

 

But Jesus wasn't born in the winter, he was born in September.

 

 

 

[alexa]

On 11/19/2022 at 8:41 PM, Campion said:

 

Amen = Amun = Egyptian God perhaps? At least that's one version of the etymology of "Amen". 

 

Etymology 3
Proper noun

Amen

1. Alternative form of Amun 

 

(Wiktionary) 

 

In that case all those Christians are invoking an Egyptian pagan God every time they say "Amen" at the end of their prayers  

 

Adam = Atum = Atom by Santos Bonacci

[alexa]

The Lords prayer in Spanish.

 

Padre nuestro que estás en los cielos,

santificado sea tu nombre;

venga tu reino;

hágase tu voluntad; en la Tierra como en el cielo.

Danos hoy nuestro pan de cada día.

y perdona nuestras ofensas, como nosotros perdonamos a los que nos ofenden.

Y no nos dejes caer en la tentación;

Mas líbranos del mal. Porque tuyo es el reino,

el poder y la gloria,

por los siglos de los siglos.

Amén.

 

And in Welsh a language close to Hebrew

 

Ein Tad, yr hwn wyt yn y nefoedd,

sancteiddier dy enw;

deled dy deyrnas;

gwneler dy ewyllys;

ar y ddaear fel y mae yn y nefoedd.

Dyro i ni heddyw ein bara beunyddiol.

A maddau inni ein camweddau,

fel y maddeuwn i'r rhai sy'n camweddu i'n herbyn.

Ac nac arwain ni i demtasiwn;

eithr gwared ni rhag drwg.

Oherwydd eiddot ti yw'r deyrnas,

y gallu a'r gogoniant,

yn oes oesoedd.

Amen.

 

And the Pope wants to change it yet again.

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, alexa said:

 

But Jesus wasn't born in the winter, he was born in September.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh Jesus!

 

What a load of crap.

 

Well at least I've heard the argument.

 

Firstly, your savior is a FICTION.

 

Secondly that fiction is based on multiple persons, such as, the leader of the Essene's, a mystic, a Gnostic, an historical Crestus who led a revolt, Hesus of the Druids, Krishna of the Hindu's and his teachings were taken from Buddhism, Hinduism and from Egypt - the sermon on the mount is ascribed to much earlier Egyptian writings. 

 

However you are correct that the fictional Jesus could not have been born in winter if the Bible speaks the truth.

 

What astounds me as that even though Mary was given 9 months warning, the birth event was witnessed by 3 wise men and 3 shepherds, why they don't know his real birthday or his actual name!

 

Instead they invent this crap.

 

Alexa, you are under a spell.

 

Wait a minute - your a Christian, your not meant to believe in Astrology!

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by pi3141

[alexa]

47 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Firstly, your savior is a FICTION.

 

Lucifer/Satan is not fiction & neither is Jesus.

[webtrekker]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

 

Lucifer/Satan is not fiction & neither is Jesus.

 

And neither is the Tooth Fairy!

 

In fact, in my early life, Santa and the Tooth Fairy were the only ones who ever ANSWERED my prayers!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by webtrekker

[Mr H]

Really interesting thread.

 

Couple of questions.

 

What's the difference between a pagan and a druid?

 

If Jesus wasn't a real person, how did christianity come about?

[JCP]

4 hours ago, Mr H said:

If Jesus wasn't a real person, how did christianity come about?

 

I saw this video about 10 years ago and came to accept the possibility that Christianity (and all major religions) came into being thru astrology. 

 

 

[alexa]

5 hours ago, webtrekker said:

 

And neither is the Tooth Fairy!

 

In fact, in my early life, Santa and the Tooth Fairy were the only ones who ever ANSWERED my prayers!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[pi3141]

13 hours ago, Mr H said:

What's the difference between a pagan and a druid?

 

If Jesus wasn't a real person, how did christianity come about?

 

Ok, well, the Druids are thought of as nature worshipping and hence Pagans but there were Druids, the British included, who believed in 'One God' and hence strictly are not polytheistic although firmly rooted in reverence for nature.

 

Pagans in the general sense of the word would be polytheistic cults that also worship nature gods and often involved sacrifice or sexual rituals.

 

However, there were some who are regarded by the church as Pagan, like Pythagoreans, who also believed in monotheism and although revered and tried to understand nature, did not worship it. 

 

As for Jesus - well IMO, the Bible is a fictional work based on real events with names and places changed to protect the innocent. The Jesus character in those works is a composite of real persons but the Jesus of the Bible is in fact a myth.

 

Ask yourself, Mary was warned 9 months in advance she would bear God's son, the birth was predicted and attended by 3 magi who presumably could read and write, 3 shepherds were informed, then there was the innkeeper and Mary and Joseph themselves and yet nobody recorded the date or name. Then we have the apostles of the Gospel, all calling Jesus Jesus yet that wasn't his real name.

 

Ask the scholars, they will tell you the name Yeshua and its transliteration to Jesus is just a guess - it was a popular Jewish name of the time and as it supposedly means 'God Saves' it seems fitting so probably a good guess.

 

As for his birth, again the scholars will tell you they agree his birthdate was not Christmas 26th Dec but again his actual date is lost to us. Various months are banded around as suggestions for various reasons.

 

Yes there are historical records for an actual Jesus but what he actually did is a bit blurry. It may just be he led a revolt against the Romans and was crucified for it but that Crestus probably didn't give the sermon on the mount for instance. We now also know that the Romans didn't crucify people on a T cross but rather on an X cross or stake (as the Jehovah Witnesses believe) so the iconic image of Christ crucified is fake as well as his name and birthdate. The apostles don't even agree on his time of death.

 

So how did we get Christianity - Constantine. He drew on the Druidic belief’s in 'Hesus' and their mystical Tau (T) and the Hindu's saviour Kristos (Krishna) and their Sun God mythology as well as other - real - teachers of the time to synthesize the Jesus hero of the Bible. They drew on ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Hindu and Druidic writings and created the stories. That was given the official stamp of approval and forced on the people as the only truth and of course all the terrible wars and inquisitions followed to establish its dominance.

[Mr H]

18 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Ok, well, the Druids are thought of as nature worshipping and hence Pagans but there were Druids, the British included, who believed in 'One God' and hence strictly are not polytheistic although firmly rooted in reverence for nature.

 

Pagans in the general sense of the word would be polytheistic cults that also worship nature gods and often involved sacrifice or sexual rituals.

 

However, there were some who are regarded by the church as Pagan, like Pythagoreans, who also believed in monotheism and although revered and tried to understand nature, did not worship it. 

 

As for Jesus - well IMO, the Bible is a fictional work based on real events with names and places changed to protect the innocent. The Jesus character in those works is a composite of real persons but the Jesus of the Bible is in fact a myth.

 

Ask yourself, Mary was warned 9 months in advance she would bear God's son, the birth was predicted and attended by 3 magi who presumably could read and write, 3 shepherds were informed, then there was the innkeeper and Mary and Joseph themselves and yet nobody recorded the date or name. Then we have the apostles of the Gospel, all calling Jesus Jesus yet that wasn't his real name.

 

Ask the scholars, they will tell you the name Yeshua and its transliteration to Jesus is just a guess - it was a popular Jewish name of the time and as it supposedly means 'God Saves' it seems fitting so probably a good guess.

 

As for his birth, again the scholars will tell you they agree his birthdate was not Christmas 26th Dec but again his actual date is lost to us. Various months are banded around as suggestions for various reasons.

 

Yes there are historical records for an actual Jesus but what he actually did is a bit blurry. It may just be he led a revolt against the Romans and was crucified for it but that Crestus probably didn't give the sermon on the mount for instance. We now also know that the Romans didn't crucify people on a T cross but rather on an X cross or stake (as the Jehovah Witnesses believe) so the iconic image of Christ crucified is fake as well as his name and birthdate. The apostles don't even agree on his time of death.

 

So how did we get Christianity - Constantine. He drew on the Druidic belief’s in 'Hesus' and their mystical Tau (T) and the Hindu's saviour Kristos (Krishna) and their Sun God mythology as well as other - real - teachers of the time to synthesize the Jesus hero of the Bible. They drew on ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Hindu and Druidic writings and created the stories. That was given the official stamp of approval and forced on the people as the only truth and of course all the terrible wars and inquisitions followed to establish its dominance.

Fascinating ty.

 

I never knew that Constantine wrote the bible. I always thought that it was him and others that selected what went into the bible. That the bible was written by the disciples or if not them, some other type of wise or gifted writers at the time. And some of these canons like the book of enoch was discarded and others that fitted their version of the story were left in and edited.

 

Just wondered what you knew about that? Or is that myth also in your view?

[pi3141]

40 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Fascinating ty.

 

I never knew that Constantine wrote the bible. I always thought that it was him and others that selected what went into the bible. That the bible was written by the disciples or if not them, some other type of wise or gifted writers at the time. And some of these canons like the book of enoch was discarded and others that fitted their version of the story were left in and edited.

 

Just wondered what you knew about that? Or is that myth also in your view?

 

Constantine did not write the Bible, we don't know who was responsible for the gospels but its certain they weren't first hand accounts from the actual disciples.

 

The gospel of John is said to be the closest in time and although not actually written by him, was written 2 or 3 generations after his death from oral teachings.

 

The OT has been shown to be the work of several authors, including the mysterious P source or Priestly source - i.e some unknown Priest school edited the OT writings. Maybe they also did the same for the NT. In fact my view is they did, they edited the original teachings to fit their NT narrative. This was done under Constantines direction.

 

Its recorded that Constantine originally called together something like 600 priests to decide what went into the Bible. When they couldn't agree he dismissed 300 of them. Then went the remaing few hundred couldn't agree he dismissed most of them leaving 30 or 60 that agreed with him and finalized his book and consequently his religion.

 

He didn't convert to it though until he was on his deathbed.

[pi3141]

17 hours ago, alexa said:

Lucifer/Satan is not fiction & neither is Jesus.

 

Yeah they are.

 

Lucifer is a typo, Satan is a low level demon and Jesus is the personification of the Sun.

 

There was a real 'Jesus' though. I don't deny that. A prophet and miracle worker -  but he didn't die on the cross.

[alexa]

44 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Yeah they are.

 

Lucifer is a typo, Satan is a low level demon and Jesus is the personification of the Sun.

 

There was a real 'Jesus' though. I don't deny that. A prophet and miracle worker -  but he didn't die on the cross.

 

Don't tell me, he married Mary Magdalene, moved to France where he sired kids. 

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15 minutes ago, alexa said:

Don't tell me, he married Mary Magdalene, moved to France where he sired kids. 

 

Thats a nice story, probably one the church are happy to have around. But no, its not true.