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My wife says it is the true religion from the true creator god. I'm not convinced but well, read a little...

 

But well, this the Shia branch of Islam. She understood that Shia Islam respects women and that men treat women better if they follow the Quran, that women are more protected and not sexualized with the hijab and islamic marriage.

 

She says that the Quran improved on the Bible, that the prophets are more pious, better people and didn't indulge in sins like adultery or assassination.

 

She also prefers the story of Adam and Eve on the Quran. That both of them were tempted by the Devil at the same time and that Adam and Eve were created equal without presenting the story of the rib.

 

What do you think? Many analysts and theorists have presented great decodes about the Bible but maybe do we need to read the Quran more?

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16 hours ago, Gluoniel said:

My wife says it is the true religion from the true creator god. I'm not convinced but well, read a little...

What do you think? Many analysts and theorists have presented great decodes about the Bible but maybe do we need to read the Quran more?

Want a little revelation? It has appeared to all human beings. On every continent, every lineage has experienced it. Every stage of development received it that they are not alone. There is no right or wrong all are equal. And now think about what humans have done in the name of... 

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christianity, islam and judaism all come from the abrahamic teachings.

read the quran and you'd think it sounds similar to the bible because it is similar.

 

i had a mate that borrowed my english copy of the quran.

he wanted to read about infadels and beheadings.

guess what - it doesn't exist in the quran

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I'm not a Muslim and don't know many so with this caveat here's my tuppence.   It seems to me that Islam is a very conservative religion, in that there's lots of rules for the members to follow (including all aspects of life not just religion), and not much flexibility for the individual to decide for themselves. In that respect it's very black and white, you either accept the package as a whole or none of it: you can't pick and choose. 

 

On 11/5/2022 at 11:06 PM, Gluoniel said:

What do you think? Many analysts and theorists have presented great decodes about the Bible but maybe do we need to read the Quran more?

 

I do think Islam needs more critical scholarship to deconstruct the texts and free us from a simplistic literal reading, just as happened with the Bible over the past 200 years or so. Or perhaps this work has been done but needs more publicity for a wider audience. 

 

Islam is very dependent on the Koran, as the mainstream belief is that it was literally dictated to Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel; therefore it's fragile because any successful challenge to just one verse of the Koran brings down the whole edifice. Most Muslims aren't ready for a liberal metaphorical interpretation in the way that many Christians are IMO. 

 

A dark side to Islam is its imperialism which is not really admitted to. It conquered a large territory and expanded as far as Africa, Europe and India trying to convert us and bring us into their caliphates and they also practised slavery. Many Muslim countries make it difficult for other religions to thrive, especially non-Abrahamic religions like paganism and Buddhism. Do Muslims feel ashamed of their imperial past in the way that Europeans are taught to be? 

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I believe that, in reality, Islam is a cult of death, hatred, and violence. After studying the Quran and Hadith, it becomes evident that Muslim propagandists are lying about Islam and that most people do not know the truth about the religion of Muhammad. The real Islam, represented in the Koran and practiced by the prophet himself (his deeds are described in the Hadith and the biography of Muhammad), is a religion of intolerance, cruelty, nonsense, discrimination, and contradictions. Islam promotes the genocide of "infidels" and the suppression of women. That's why I'm a Christian. The Christian faith is much more robust; I noticed it when I visited churches https://firstchurchlove.com. The atmosphere and spirit of these places cannot be compared with any religion.

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I would say take whatever practical wisdom and knowledge you can from religious texts, which ever one that may be. Don't take them literally though. They are not truth, although they all in their own way, point to the truth via the stories they contain.

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2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

A golden thread of truth runs through all religions.

 

Care to elaborate on the golden thread? 

 

FYI I'm a fan of the Perennial Philosophy, from Aldous Huxley and others. All mature religions have a mystical interpretation and when I read works by mystics (including mainstream Buddhists, Sufis and nondualists), they're mostly pretty ecumenical and tolerant people. As if it doesn't really matter what clothes your spirituality wears, love and truth are the same in all cultures. Those people who insist their religion is the best one for everyone are beginners and haven't advanced very far. 

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2 hours ago, Campion said:

Care to elaborate on the golden thread? 

 

Sure.

 

I like your post, I think its quite true of religions and higher adepts of various religious systems, once you give up the milk and get to the meat, a higher understanding is gained. Which is kind of why I don't mind Christianity despite my protestations. I do attend Christian churches. Most people and denominations in Christianity are not knowingly involving themselves in a deception, they are trying to do the right thing. I'm sure God knows that. I like Buddhism but I think they are deceived regarding reincarnation and karma. I agree with the Quakers interpretation of the Christs teachings, their spiritual understanding, their tolerance, and their mode of worship. The Unitarians have an agreeable philosophy but they still engage in paganistic rituals in their services.  But I have found truth in all those 3.


So for the golden thread, well for me, there is 'light' in the Bible, the golden thread of truth consists of the information given - you have a soul, you are immortal, there is a God, there is a heaven, it matters what you do down here, even the thoughts you hold in your head, treat everyone as you wish yourself to be treated. If we all did that we would have heaven on earth. This is sound spiritual advice and all we need take from the Biblical teachings.

 

As you allude to in your other post on another thread, and as I hope you will see from the documentary I posted in response, I believe the one we call Christ, or the Nazarene, drew from many sources of wisdom and distilled it for us into a simple truthful spiritual message.

 

The sentence 'All religions have a golden thread of truth' is a quote, and comes from the spirit world. My father was a medium, he opened up in his 40's, demonstrated for a number of years in Spiritualist churches and then closed himself down, while he was active, he asked the spirits the truth about religion, and that was their reply. 

 

I had the gift when I was younger, but I closed it down as it scared me, to much to soon. I still receive occasional messages, flashes of intuition and sometimes I can feel when they are close. I don't mind getting messages mentally when I still my mind, but hearing loud disembodied voices as I did, was to much. I have a guide, he gets through, not with voices in the head, just somehow. When I need an answer, I ask, get an inspiration, follow it and synchronisticly, the answer appears. It happens too many times to be coincidence but only regarding spiritual questions.

 

So for me - that all religions have a golden thread of truth, is true. 

 

(I'm sure there are many bizarre religions out there but I'm not going to attempt to list every religion, but possibly, even in the bizzarist there may be some truth, however small - and there may be a number of small religions out there who hold the whole truth.)

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On 11/6/2022 at 12:06 AM, Gluoniel said:

My wife says it is the true religion from the true creator god. I'm not convinced but well, read a little...

 

But well, this the Shia branch of Islam. She understood that Shia Islam respects women and that men treat women better if they follow the Quran, that women are more protected and not sexualized with the hijab and islamic marriage.

 

She says that the Quran improved on the Bible, that the prophets are more pious, better people and didn't indulge in sins like adultery or assassination.

 

She also prefers the story of Adam and Eve on the Quran. That both of them were tempted by the Devil at the same time and that Adam and Eve were created equal without presenting the story of the rib.

 

What do you think? Many analysts and theorists have presented great decodes about the Bible but maybe do we need to read the Quran more?

No, both are a psy-op, by the same being.

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i asked a muslim if his imman preached islam or wahhabism

the reply was both

 

when the fake news use the term radical islam they mean wahhabism

wahhabism the religion of the house of saud

so who funded the increase in mosques for the last 30 years? house of saud.

do you think they would have a say which ideology of islam is preached.

 

saudi funded mosques are preaching wahhabism

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On 2/18/2024 at 1:02 AM, bamboozooka said:

i asked a muslim if his imman preached islam or wahhabism

the reply was both

 

when the fake news use the term radical islam they mean wahhabism

wahhabism the religion of the house of saud

so who funded the increase in mosques for the last 30 years? house of saud.

do you think they would have a say which ideology of islam is preached.

 

saudi funded mosques are preaching wahhabism

 

this is true, wahabbism is an extreme, i consider it un islamic as well,
becoz the saud / wahabi rulers have destroyed important  historic religious sites in saudi arabia many times


if you speak to the normal peeps over there in saudi arabia, they will tell you about the royals being involved in satanism,
blood rituals, wearing weird rings with human blood in it,etc

 

the house of saud = the arabian bloodline which helped the british dismantle the ottoman empire
the ottoman empire was ruling via the khilafah / caliphate system - a system of meritocracy not royalty/monarchy/nepotism/etc...
 

many of the laws from the khilafah system stayed in place around many areas in the middle east tho, and that is why

for example, in saudi arabia, qatar,etc

- you can fall asleep in a park with million $$$ in your lap and nothing will happen to you

- you can leave your car parked with the keys inside, nobody is gonna take it
 

 

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On 11/7/2022 at 12:04 PM, bamboozooka said:

christianity, islam and judaism all come from the abrahamic teachings.

read the quran and you'd think it sounds similar to the bible because it is similar.

 

i had a mate that borrowed my english copy of the quran.

he wanted to read about infadels and beheadings.

guess what - it doesn't exist in the quran

Surah 47:3-4

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surah 8:12

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