What is this "awakening" David Icke talks about he had?

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, TheConsultant said:

I see no evidence thus far you know something others do not. You say some interesting things, but I am for evidence and experiences, methodologies not pleasant or good sounding things without anything backing it up.

I am the same as you I require evidence.

 

And I will provide it via experience as experience is the highest form of evidence.

 

Experience that you are not what you appear a human. What makes up a human experience? It is thoughts, feelings and perceptions. These come and go frequently. None of them are essential to you. There is something in experience that is essential to you that never leaves you. That is the knowing of thoughts, feelings and perceptions. We could call that in David Icke's language as consciousness. This experience never changes despite what appears in consciousness. We can take this one step further and explore the nature of this primary experience. It does not resist anything, it cannot be harmed, it never is born and it never dies, it doesn't lack for anything, there is no edge to it - a start and finish point. These are the qualities of the real inherent you behind the apparent experience of a human.

 

You can also check out whether the human, that which is experienced can make decisions. If you observe the decision making process carefully. If I ask myself do I want tea or coffee? First there is the question, do I want tea or coffee, thought no 1, then thought no 2 appears, coffee, then thought no 3 appears, I chose coffee.

 

All these things you can check for yourself. That is my experience. Perhaps you have a different one?

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr H

[TheConsultant]

1 minute ago, Mr H said:

I am the same as you I require evidence.

 

And I will provide it via experience as experience is the highest form of evidence.

 

Experience that you are not what you appear a human. What makes up a human experience? It is thoughts, feelings and perceptions. These come and go frequently. None of them are essential to you. There is something in experience that is essential to you that never leaves you. That is the knowing of thoughts, feelings and perceptions. We could call that in David Icke's language as consciousness. This experience never changes despite what appears in consciousness. We can take this one step further and explore the nature of this primary experience. It does not resist anything, it cannot be harmed, it never is born and it never dies, it doesn't lack for anything. These are the qualities of the real inherent you behind the apparent experience of a human.

 

You can also check out whether the human, that which is experienced can make decisions. If you observe the decision making process carefully. If I ask myself do I want tea or coffee? First there is the question, do I want tea or coffee, thought no 1, then thought no 2 appears, coffee, then thought no 3 appears, I chose coffee.

 

All these things you can check for yourself. That is my experience. Perhaps you have a different one?

I have no problem with experiences as being evidential, but you say interesting things and then provide no evidence of that experience.  Make sense?



 

[Mr H]

9 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I have no problem with experiences as being evidential, but you say interesting things and then provide no evidence of that experience.  Make sense?



 

See above. I provided the evidence and walked you through it.

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Mr H said:

See above. I provided the evidence and walked you through it.

That isn't evidence is it? at all. Its thought experiment/hypothetical steps, not tangible evidenced experience. 

[Mr H]

Just now, TheConsultant said:

That isn't evidence is it? at all. Its thought experiment/hypothetical steps, not tangible evidenced experience. 

It is not hypothetical steps, unless you don't attempt the steps. That is my real experience shared. 

[Mr H]

You can choose to check it out for yourself and see if you come to the same conclusion. Or you can just read it and say it is hypothetical. Or you can explain your experience and how it differs if you like.

[TheConsultant]

1 minute ago, Mr H said:

You can choose to check it out for yourself and see if you come to the same conclusion. Or you can just read it and say it is hypothetical. Or you can explain your experience and how it differs if you like.

I am talking about your wider posts not just that. Akashic record practioner I think you called it etc. :)

[Mr H]

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I am talking about your wider posts not just that. Akashic record practioner I think you called it etc. :)

Well you were directly responding to that post.

 

 

All esoteric things, healings and readings etc are not 100% provable as I mentioned before. Some people have gone to great lengths to prove such things, but I've never seen anyone prove these things 100%. 

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Mr H said:

Well you were directly responding to that post.

 

 

All esoteric things, healings and readings etc are not 100% provable as I mentioned before. Some people have gone to great lengths to prove such things, but I've never seen anyone prove these things 100%. 

Well from information you haven't discussed regarding the practises you discussed I strongly suspect you do not know about it. It would be the first thing mentioned, in my mind anyhow. So I do not give you any credence on those posts, yet. But thats just my opinion. Nothing personal of course or ill will intended just my observation

[Mr H]

1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

Well from information you haven't discussed regarding the practises you discussed I strongly suspect you do not know about it. It would be the first thing mentioned, in my mind anyhow. So I do not give you any credence on those posts, yet. But thats just my opinion. Nothing personal of course or ill will intended just my observation

Well I do know about esoteric healings and readings because I did them for several years. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Doesn't bother me.

[TheConsultant]

2 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Well I do know about esoteric healings and readings because I did them for several years. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Doesn't bother me.

Not trying to bother you. Not getting information regarding it that is absolutely paramount to the practise speaks volumes IMO. 

 

[Mr H]

 

1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

Not trying to bother you. Not getting information regarding it that is absolutely paramount to the practise speaks volumes IMO. 

 

What information is missing? 

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Mr H said:

 

What information is missing? 

The very foundations of all of the practises. Not mentioned even once in your rundown elsewhere. But it really doesn't matter, you know what you know, you know what you have done and can do, it doesn't matter what I think at all. As I say, its entirely my opinion nothing more than that.

[Mr H]

1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

The very foundations of all of the practises. Not mentioned even once in your rundown elsewhere. But it really doesn't matter, you know what you know, you know what you have done and can do, it doesn't matter what I think at all. As I say, its entirely my opinion nothing more than that.

Well I don't know what you mean by foundations. From memory you asked how it worked and I told you how it worked and the process. If you have any further questions, then just ask.

[TheConsultant]

Just now, Mr H said:

Well I don't know what you mean by foundations. From memory you asked how it worked and I told you how it worked and the process. If you have any further questions, then just ask.

I have zero questions :)

[Macnamara]

19 hours ago, Mr H said:

That's why it's also unwise to jump into a conversation when two people are speaking in the absolute, with relative examples with are not relevant to the conversation and misappropriate what we are saying.

 

If you want to talk in relative terms with me we can. I would tell you don't murder someone, it ain't nice! Ok! You're trying to make out I condone murder or something because you don't understand the topic or the perspective with which we are speaking from.

 

The only reason why we have murder is because of the belief in persons!

 

why isn't murder nice?

 

if its all not real then where, in your world view, does the idea of good and bad come from?

[Macnamara]

3 hours ago, Mr H said:

All esoteric things, healings and readings etc are not 100% provable as I mentioned before

 

i guess that's the problem with much new age stuff......the question of how it then makes people behave in the world

 

does it make people ego-centric and disconnected from events rather than encouraging people to actually take responsibility for their role in this reality

 

that's what i believe the new age psyop is about: neutralising people by making them passive, navel gazing, self-obsessed, self-hypnotists

Edited December 6, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

3 hours ago, Mr H said:

That is my real experience shared. 

 

here is what is REAL experience: some actions lead to good outcomes and some actions lead to bad outcomes That's been my experience

[Macnamara]

4 hours ago, Stone Lion said:

 I heard that lake Titicaca and peru/chili is where the wordly kundalini force is located

 

i certainly experienced a powerful solar force when i went there. I snoozed on the front deck of a boat as it travelled to an island. Silly me i didn't protect my face from that high altitude sun and by the time i arrived at the island, where i stayed the night, i was badly sun burned

 

Later on my entire face peeled off......no kidding.....i was looking in a hotel mirror and peeled my face away in my hands

[Certified Green of Heart]

6 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Kundalini is from the earth not a specific part of the earth as I understand, "mother" earth is feminine energy (chi, ki, qi, prana, mana etc), the heavens are masculine energy (Li amongst others). It is partly what the yin and yang represent. One spirals upward, the other spirals downward, centripetal and centrifugal vortices. They meet in the middle which is the base of your spine, called centre in yoga and other practises, dan tien in martial arts. Its represented as a serpent around the spine or sword as well as many other ways I am sure.

 

Good enough outlines there I guess, but one thing not mentioned which I will is we need probably to get rid of what I tend to believe is this misconcept about snake representation (leaving aside the stupid medical symbol with snake also) as I am semi-decided upon which to not relate Kundalini to some kind of serpent representation, as if wanting it to appear badass if I did do.....But counterwise to that and I'm not saying its not possible to have a kundalini that's partially "LIKE" a raising snake, but you see I figure it to be only in the sense of the dan tien (breathing) and the spine (articluation of it as I understand made through physical activity, indeed like in Yoga) .... But a snake, is simply a stupid label to my mind.. I used to think yeah that sounds badass, now I just think, hmmmm.... and hmmmm again.

You never said that Consultant but no reason especially why you should, but I am now, thanks however for your loose descriptions around it anyway (or distinct if distinct, I can't decide). What I am saying about snake though was not prompted by you anyway but some indian guy or such on YT whom IS DECIDED it's description and or function should not be that of a snake representation.

 

Just saying, and because I think it's important not to get too swept up in the "unleashing the beast mentality" what some people seem to believe kundalini is.... Yes I could be wrong too, but at the time being I have a gut feeling that indian guy on YT will be shown right is my guess. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Certified Green of Heart

[TheConsultant]

19 minutes ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

Good enough outlines there I guess, but one thing not mentioned which I will is we need probably to get rid of what I tend to believe is this misconcept about snake representation (leaving aside the stupid medical symbol with snake also) as I am semi-decided upon which to not relate Kundalini to some kind of serpent representation, as if wanting it appear badass if I did do....

You never said that Consultant but no reason especially why you should, but I am now, thanks however for your loose descriptions around it anyway (or distinct if distinct, I can't decide). What I am saying about snake though was not prompted by you anyway but some indian guy or such on YT whom IS DECIDED it's description and or function should not be that of a snake representation.

 

Just saying, and because I think it's important not to get too swept up in the "unleashing the beast mentality" what some people seem to believe kundalini is.... Yes I could be wrong too, but at the time being I have a gut feeling that indian guy on YT will be shown right is my guess. 

I am not guessing. Look in to it.

Edit: For clarity, symbols get used for vastly different intents and meanings. For example the Swastika was once upon a time a Buddhist good luck symbol, representing the sun I believe? The serpent represents all sorts, look at the Vatican for examples of use. Also used in medicine, also represents Kundalini or feminine energy, was it always the case I really couldn't tell you. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by TheConsultant

[JCP]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

i guess that's the problem with much new age stuff......the question of how it then makes people behave in the world

 

does it make people ego-centric and disconnected from events rather than encouraging people to actually take responsibility for their role in this reality

 

that's what i believe the new age psyop is about: neutralising people by making them passive, navel gazing, self-obsessed, self-hypnotists

 

IMHO, the problem is people confusing new age with true spirituality and not having the capacity to tell the difference between the two. New age is spirituality distorted thru ego and tends to look outward, focusing on the law of attraction for material manifestation. True spirituality looks inward and is an ancient dance of remembrance. Remembering who we really are. This path isn't easy. It's the most difficult road we can take because it doesn't follow present day dogma, but for those who brave it; the greatest gift of all is revealed. The gift of a fully realized self.

 

 

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, JCP said:

 Remembering who we really are.

 

i don't have a problem with that. What i'm interested in is how that then translates into actual positive change in peoples lives. In other words how are they then becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem? How are they upsetting the NWO apple cart?

[JCP]

11 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i don't have a problem with that. What i'm interested in is how that then translates into actual positive change in peoples lives. In other words how are they then becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem? How are they upsetting the NWO apple cart?

 

What it has done for me is remove the fear. Yes they can harm my body and even kill it, but without the fear of death, I am more likely to upset the apple cart. Understanding that there is more to me that just this frail body has given me strength. We have been programmed to fear death all of our lives because it serves the cult, and with that programming removed, it removes my hesitation to act. I have come to realize that there are things worse than death and I'm ready to give my life for the preservation of humanity. I can't speak for what it does for others, but that's what it's done for me.

[Macnamara]

23 hours ago, JCP said:

What it has done for me is remove the fear.

 

i don't think i have managed to remove fear. For me its just a question of whether or not other things might over-ride the fear....like stubborness