What is this "awakening" David Icke talks about he had?

[peter]

For me personally it was a gradual process,that started when I was fairly young,I always had the niggling feeling that there was something  not quite right with our perceived reality with regards to how it was explained in school which I left at 15. After a series of events over the years (weird shit documented in the paranormal thread) set me on a course of avid reading on all manner of subjects and concluded that the nature of reality is indeed different than what society would have you believe

I'm now closer to 65 than 64, its not for everyone but every 12 months or so I still like to engage with psychoactives  (DMT or psilocybin) just to clear the societal cobwebs so to speak

welcome to the forum @Stone Lion great thread

Edited October 22, 2022 by peter

[Shy Talk]

7 minutes ago, peter said:

For me personally it was a gradual process,that started when I was young,I always had the niggling feeling that there was something  not quite right with our perceived reality with regards to how it was explained in school which I left at 15. After a series of events over the years (weird shit documented in the paranormal thread) set me on a course of avid reading on all manner of subjects and concluded that reality is indeed different than what society would have you believe

I'm now closer to 65 than 64 and every 12 months or so I like to engage with psychoactives  (DMT or psilocybin) just to clear the societal cobwebs so to speak

 

This. I think there's a problem with people expecting some 'Eureka' moment and being frustrated when it doesn't happen. I'm not saying it can't happen like that but for the vast majority it will happen in stages. It's not as romantic as a Peruvian hilltop but I trace my own 'awakening' to a book I read as a teenager on the JFK assassination. Once I accepted the 'most powerful man in the world' was the victim of an inside job that is still covered up to this day, I began to question everything.   

[- TZC -]

Put out something else, take it how you like, awakening is a hard process that not all are able to finish. I am calloused from it. It took around 10 years to get there starting at 15 and culminating in the lies of 911 personally.

 

You go through as Icke did a period of instability, not really knowing what's going on or what you should do. And I and I guess a lot of other people do too, you want to try and share it with others in the beginning thinking it's so important that it's your duty to spread the word. But it takes personal introspection and societal evaluation to get there so you're on a losing streak if you go all out like some Jehovahs witness showing up at your door hammering you with their truth and failing - so they spurt out you're going to hell.

 

Not everyone who goes through it has the capability or motormouth like Icke. You know what you know, others know what they know. That is all. That is as it should be.

 

You're on the right side though Stone Lion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TetraG]

On 10/22/2022 at 6:24 PM, Stone Lion said:

Not sure what to do in all honesty.

 

 

If it's of any help I just turned *off* the Eleven o'clock night news to rid... (by the end of this post, I will telll you I am DONE at 80 minutes & with edit another 60mins of my time as spoiler to my toil here,  haha, how can one find the dedication, EASY when in the right moooooood aiding our FLIGHT TO FREEDOM (in wihch obviously AWAKENING, and EVOLVING is instrumental as is involving and inviting others to join and be a part)....

 

For kick off what say I off my radio to rid my mind of annoying sycophantic ticks as cometh the hour (like in the news) or however, so off that goes nipped in the bud to better enable me to answer this post in -peace and quiet- and of course those two words are something do I even need to say we all need more of, so long as silence is not also driving us crazy as much as noise of some sorts has the tendency to do in mind obliteration wash back or whatever mental toil of whatever type of day we've had (say after a barrage of daily grind)..... Well overcoming the daily grind is all part of it..... (*and since I've already had some sleepy time this evening leading up to this bringing me at least half awake my words can now take shape a little better*) ......sooo hello Stone Lion and others, nice to come back to this thread, I didn't realize there was an UNREAD here waiting by ST, but that's good sometimes as a surprise to perhaps enhance one's otherwise dreary day dears! 

 

......Sooo ALAS, SHOCK/ HORROR  (at this precise moment anyway) when it is I (maaaaybe) have no firm or resolute *or rather no SINGLE* answer to satisfy every person or lifestyle..... Well, let's realize of course it's not only my job all by myself *unless by myself, lol* to get this all in order anyway and that is LARGELY the point if any of us on this forum ACTUALLY DO GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER OFFLINE..... but nooooo distinct actual like, -commitedness seems super apparent at this time...  just saying as per chance that could be the state of affairs unless anyone can tell me better?) for what approach is going to gain best healthy lively-hood outcomes.... And in fact at anytime, where creating the most traction in developing A CO-ORDINATED lifestyle re-emergence is essential to anything of substance, OF OUR OWN MAKING ((*oh ya know, by being the custodians of OUR OWN lives*)) in spite of shit storms or despite the psycho-babble & drama designed to create images of "houses on fire" raging that is government and other ills seeming as they most certainly do.
 

weeeeeeell for our wishes & desires (errr yeah okay - if inclusive of anyone sharing similar thoughts to me), & as whatever goes, such as measures for life as a whole~ let me say TO ALL that is ONLY half (*yes ONLY* you read right) HALF (*yes HALF, you read right*) as half the battle is ~broadly spiritual~ is what I am trying to say and contemporize that however you like (shudder) and tandem as of how to instill confidence in us to deal with now times INDEEEEEEEEED.....Well ~ to stay functional in any mental crisis along the way is of course KEY....... (sorry if I am writing too much like I am in the OFF GRID thread, excuse me) .......

So anyhow~ let's all back up a minute and ask  again, WHAT ARE ANY OF US DOING, other than logically and commendably hopefully -> gathering ideas & equipment for off gridification edification ((of a life we DON'T JUST want to dream of for those interested in this)) & -> of sorts a re-education to consider there also spiritually and practically and SELF WORTHEDLY doable things there, YES DOABLE ~~~ btw=>  on that note in the off grid sense I noted in thy earlier thread of yours Stone Lion, since I've touched on that lately revisiting that in SOLUTIONS (or for the first time?), observing there not what you said but something there which somebody else posted where they pointed out it could be viewed as KINDA selfish a bit to off-grid, buuuuuuuuuuuut maaaaaybe, errr hmmmmmmm,,whilst okay I see their point in one way I don't quite view it that way at the end of the day, as we WILL ALWAYS NEED some people doing this, and some other fighters for this or that in their "staying put" style off fighting in these ways...

 

BUT now returning to in "united commons leadership" (for sake of calling drive & initiative by another name?) - let's why not take a look in terms of for example learning centres of various kinds to cite just one success story I found in THE LIGHT NEWSPAPER (an out of system schooling for those with kids as another thought, like www.hopesussex.co.uk as per one example - kids are not a consideration needed for myself personally, but community wise its obviously a sound investment to want to keep your kids vaccine and indoctrination free in such ways as pro-active as that clearly demonstrates IS POSSIBLE) around which it's these types of initiatives (++ and if thou wilt OFF GRID IDEAS) that can stimulate imagination, whereby connecting this with that we can form alliances with others by reaching out into the world of what's practical for ALL of us in SOME way, thereby WITH A PURPOSE FOR BEING......To not end up relegated in the OTHER METHOD of the OVERALL fight only by power struggle in that physical or singular dimension since the attack is coming at us in any case from all dimensions and all angles at one time or another anyway....

So, don't misunderstand, every battle is worthy potentially, but to only be forever soley be all about only 'fighting' the battle the whole time, like that is all there is to live for, is to some extent sight losing of the bigger picture in which all elements or moving parts are seen for what they are (for good - eg, diversity & prosperity or for bad -eg, slavery monoculture)

BECAUSE PUT SIMPLY as some other wise people you may see mention sometimes its not always about scheming or succombing to become confrontational like that were the only motivation in life that can get us from A to B, COZ in fact by paying attention to the system and its wily ways and irritating drivel, like on TV, like on radio, that is playing DIRECTLY into their power hungry beguiling hands and their dirty spoils etc rubs off on us then too much by letting ourselves being overly subject to too much exposure of course whenever Brain Washing is knowably (or perhaps unknowably at times) in sinister convergence plotting to blur or smother our clear thinking consciousness. 

 

So I know I am speaking quite broadly, but with a SO CALLED method in my madness (mad figuratively speaking, do not take too literally) .... Now with whatever gets us up in the morning, let me come back to what is crucial, not just in terms of seeing and realizing what's up with the world, BLOODY OBVIOUS, but in terms also of equal magnitude (but ultimately of greater importance|) and relevance, about also what life means to us collectively or individually, and how to best live it in whatever way each one of us has planned or imagined or dared to dream etc, buuut also of course to make that tangible ==which will all help in fending off and pushing back the tide, of the assault we face by the modern world and not to just wind up feeling relegated by isolation or inaction, or washed up etc or overly burdened or drained in getting something positive happening --- To this end to succeed by whatever intent or drive for a more satisfying and more rewarding life beyond the banalities the modern world has cynically created to undermine the true nature of the human spirit (*& any animal spirit too* come to that), which human beings are not absolved from and do not need to absolve from, as humans are just as much a part of nature as any being walking flying or descending on this earth, as visitor as resident or passerby, hi aliens, hi celestial power, by divine rite we live by virtue of natural presence inviting all living things nature to co-exist alongside us (lest they be an insult to nature), to both empower us and to feel humbled by, so just as we may wish for an experience when nature makes us feel humility, so is in sharp contrast to the dictates of the modern world and it's iniquities, etcccc. IT MUST BE HUMBLED LIKEWISE. To  tame Greed, to curtail Ego. ((*yes I know some people will never be so humble*)) but I have Nooooooooooo interests in Repression of Souls -AKA suppression- in the round- if well balanced - AND because humans need to be able to express themselves esp. when they maybe people who are worth listening to, or having input from.

 

In other words more humans need to FEEL whats good in relation to natural wonderment, in order to express and understand humility by that measure but also to experience a certain comradery with nature and the universe thereby to guide us if we see fit, by however we see our place in the world..... whether that be with help from astronomy for some or mucking about in the fields and general substance of life for others where nature has a hand in maintaining influence on us that feels grounded as true as can be!

........ Nature can offer Encouraging and Revitalizing modalities or options for us, and often in subtle regenerating ways, but also in very down to earth ways too if so desired (& in fact holistically is intrinsic & wholesome to any natural way of life)..... For example in one way even a bear offering to eat us in plead for lunch is a blessing but as we may dare to tickle its belly (*a probable fantasy arguement in the interests of portrayal-  do not try for yourself*) just beforehand to give some forethought to the bear with a feather borrowed from a bird, we remind the bear to go gently, go lightly, and to have mercy, however hungry, grrr, and the bear reminds us to not be so full of ourselves that we lose sight of what is universally important for everyone in the interests of beast (human)  and animal.....

<-- For continued inspiration and reasons for living that go beyond the mundane soul destroying tech of todays' obnoxious /insidious revolving door world, by which OF COURSE that means things designed to be coercive or oppressive, mal-created by the over-reaching forces of man-made power, where FOR EXAMPLE, shamanism would naturally have something to say about that (I am not a shaman exactly, just have interest in it)..... Anyway just exploring ideas & inspirations...

 

 

On 10/22/2022 at 6:24 PM, Stone Lion said:

I also remember being very much into "waking up and conspicary theories" what I didn't understand at the time.
I think that intention itself, has helped me so much on my journey. I just wanted to know the truth. I just had to!

 

It did take my willingness to work or study in the system as it is now, and worsening. Something about not wanting to feed the system, within the system.
 

 

 

Yes, intentions, and realizations are powerful allies in dealing with the unknown or the things still waiting to happen in our lives... or like the truth waiting to be discovered or made more palpable in simplistic imperative (such as by nature of intent instinct in all of us still with a soul) to form life-lines by simply BETTER SHARED KNOWLEDGE of the fact (IF INDEED FACTUAL OF WHAT TRULY BELIEVED BY ANY PERSON OBVIOUSLY) to anyway share in among the masses where hopefully the thing of substance or most common truth (for example knowable to all with a little effort - but having also preferably a good veritability in tenure of truth & viability in substance) can be observed both in nature AS WAS MEANT NATURALLY and/or in relation to ways of the world in modern society by us all realizing the answers LYE NOT in contributing into ANY system which does not respect even our most basic rites for that is a cardinal sin on mankind for us to accept such tyranny as much as it is by those that produce that as a system of control in the first place who come up with these dastardly underhand & sometime in yer face tactics as we know is happening by the Newly Renewed Old World ReOrder Cabal etc!  (Haha)

Edited November 4, 2022 by TetraG

[Mr H]

On 10/20/2022 at 1:27 PM, Stone Lion said:

Hello,

 

I wanted to ask this forum, what you know about these "awakenings" that happen. In his books he talks about an awakening that happened in Peru, where the top of his head blew off, as he'd say it.
I've had a similar experience happen in 2012 and there are others claiming, also, having been through an episode of awakening. 

 

What is that?!
It keeps me wondering what I went through. What I think is that a bolt of etheric lightning coming out of a vein of conscioussness struck my head and gave me a outside view of this planet, that made me understand that everthing is connected just like David Icke and others were talking about. It felt as if a dam broke between my two brain hemisphere's and I felt energy going up and down. I was so in bliss that I finally woke up, that I had tears of happiness. "My adventure finally begins" I remember saying to myself.

It is definitely an energetic thing. 

For me, It feels as if I have a destiny, ever since my awakening happened. But after 10 years, I still don't know what it "means" to be awakened. I do understand the lie before our eyes is being taken down and that we are being guided to a benevolent future. I have been through quite a mental adventure ever since my awakening, and these mystic experiences keep on welling up, more and more. I've also noticed that telepathy is a common thing, and nobody around me seems aware of this. It wouldn't cross their mind, to think that we people have telepathy.

 

Maybe i'm being to impatient, but I felt like asking more about what I call Kundalini awakening. But the term is used too much, and I'm really wandering the internet to understand more about awakening. New info has been coming my way, so hopefully this will bring something up. I added my own, in case someone else needed to hear about it.

 

Thanks for any reply!

 

Greetings.

 

 

 

Good luck my friend. You are walking the path. Everything will take care of itself. Nothing for you to do.

[Certified Green of Heart]

On 11/19/2022 at 2:41 AM, Mr H said:

You are walking the path. Everything will take care of itself. Nothing for you to do.

 

I will take that literally and not lift a finger throughout the rest of my entire life! ....... Just kidding, I like the post even though it was not meant for me!.... 

It's like sometimes we have to trust the path (not a psychopath though, that is another kind of path), as much as to naturally find pitfalls, *or otherwise be overcoming manmade obstacles, manmade problems make it hard to find natural solutions sometimes* but yeah natural it is to find doubting ourselves or the path in any number of pitfalls with bit and bobs thrown up along the way.

Hence why Personal Faith and Faith in Humans since we are the custodians of the Earth... Makes ya think of seeing videos on YT focusing on kindnesses when others face hardships or tribulation (even turmoil/ trauma)... To see "Faith in Humanity restored",, that's the kind of thing we ought to be aiming for, in order to regain the power of empathy & compassion, whether in everyday or the more needy dire situations.... etc. Well, it's one form of awakening at least.

[Mr H]

17 hours ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

 

I will take that literally and not lift a finger throughout the rest of my entire life! ....... Just kidding, I like the post even though it was not meant for me!.... 

It's like sometimes we have to trust the path (not a psychopath though, that is another kind of path), as much as to naturally find pitfalls, *or otherwise be overcoming manmade obstacles, manmade problems make it hard to find natural solutions sometimes* but yeah natural it is to find doubting ourselves or the path in any number of pitfalls with bit and bobs thrown up along the way.

Hence why Personal Faith and Faith in Humans since we are the custodians of the Earth... Makes ya think of seeing videos on YT focusing on kindnesses when others face hardships or tribulation (even turmoil/ trauma)... To see "Faith in Humanity restored",, that's the kind of thing we ought to be aiming for, in order to regain the power of empathy & compassion, whether in everyday or the more needy dire situations.... etc. Well, it's one form of awakening at least.

They say blinking is too much trouble for the sage.. 

 

The real awakening in my experience is the awakening to who you really are. That you are not human. you are that which experiences a human. 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Mr H

[Certified Green of Heart]

14 hours ago, Mr H said:

They say blinking is too much trouble for the sage.. 

 

The real awakening in my experience is the awakening to who you really are. That you are not human. you are that which experiences a human. 

 

 

Well that was a lazy, errm sage, excuse me,  simple to grasp sentence..  GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD, I'm tired to have to read too much.

 

I am human, I just choose not to experience it. HAHAHA.

 

Seriously I know what you mean. I am aware of this being human as an experience thing.

 

I once (perhaps as an article or memed image) saw somewhere which has said "even a smile is too much" to offer by the enlightened Master.

<<<
I will say I mostly get the point from a inner peace perspective or introvert meditative perspective, but I sometimes question
the nobility sometimes, in how noble is noble with no discernable emotions I would probably comment.

But I am not perfect in that regard either, seldom in a smiley mood in fact.

 

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Also this looks interesting, looking elsewhere...

 

• What Is the Mind, Body, Spirit Connection?
• Quantum Physics: How Thoughts Create Reality

and more besides... Sign up for free newsletter of how it can work if you want...

https://www.brucelipton.com/mind-body-spirit-connection/

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

https://www.brucelipton.com/other-resources/#belief-change

Free Resources, including one called The Living Matrix there in the list. (not transhumanism or digital enslavement, not that ilk AFAIK???) DON'T ASSUME JUST COZ I AM QUOTING THIS ONE PAGE, THAT ALL PAGES IN THE RESOURCES WILL BE THE SAME, THEY ARE NOT I THINK IS SAFE TO SAY, BUT ALL HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON WHICH IS HEALTH & WELL BEING.

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https://www.neshealth.com/the-living-matrix

 

This ground breaking documentary uncovers new ideas about the intricate web of factors that control and determine our health.

 

The Living Matrix dives into the science of Energy Healing and a new way of healing the human body.

 

International healer Dr. Eric Pearl, cellular biologist and former Stanford University professor Dr. Bruce Lipton and U.S astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell provide an in-depth look into the exciting and new world scientific energy healing.

 

 

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Certified Green of Heart said:

Well that was a lazy, errm sage, excuse me,  simple to grasp sentence..  GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD, I'm tired to have to read too much.

 

I am human, I just choose not to experience it. HAHAHA.

 

Seriously I know what you mean. I am aware of this being human as an experience thing.

 

I once (perhaps as an article or memed image) saw somewhere which has said "even a smile is too much" to offer by the enlightened Master.

<<<
I will say I mostly get the point from a inner peace perspective or introvert meditative perspective, but I sometimes question
the nobility sometimes, in how noble is noble with no discernable emotions I would probably comment.

But I am not perfect in that regard either, seldom in a smiley mood in fact.

 

------------------------------------------------

Also this looks interesting, looking elsewhere...

 

• What Is the Mind, Body, Spirit Connection?
• Quantum Physics: How Thoughts Create Reality

and more besides... Sign up for free newsletter of how it can work if you want...

https://www.brucelipton.com/mind-body-spirit-connection/

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

https://www.brucelipton.com/other-resources/#belief-change

Free Resources, including one called The Living Matrix there in the list. (not transhumanism or digital enslavement, not that ilk AFAIK???) DON'T ASSUME JUST COZ I AM QUOTING THIS ONE PAGE, THAT ALL PAGES IN THE RESOURCES WILL BE THE SAME, THEY ARE NOT I THINK IS SAFE TO SAY, BUT ALL HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON WHICH IS HEALTH & WELL BEING.

 

lol yes these monks and stuff are some lazy a*s mofos!

 

Just to use the analogy of a VR headset. The real us, are the ones behind the headset. What we mistake for us is the character in the game played by the headset. Characters in games don't really exist and don't have any control of their actions. So there isn't much for them to do really except run their course and play their game that was programmed for them, and nothing for us to do other than observe and try to enjoy the activities of the character in the game that we created.

Edited December 4, 2022 by Mr H

[Certified Green of Heart]

Consciousness, connection and nature.... "The root cause of the root cause" (whatever that may mean)

TED vid but here supplied by what I found on YT.... I am watching this later today.... Bear with me.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzRRdIJy3ok

 

[Macnamara]

23 hours ago, Mr H said:

Just to use the analogy of a VR headset. The real us, are the ones behind the headset. What we mistake for us is the character in the game played by the headset. Characters in games don't really exist and don't have any control of their actions. So there isn't much for them to do really except run their course and play their game that was programmed for them, and nothing for us to do other than observe and try to enjoy the activities of the character in the game that we created.

 

'simply observe and try to enjoy the activities of the character in the game'

 

that makes it sound as if nothing you do matters and that you are not responsible for anything you do

 

its like if your character killed someone you could just say ''well it wasn't me, it was just the character in the game; i'm simply observing it playing out its programme'

[Mr H]

3 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

'simply observe and try to enjoy the activities of the character in the game'

 

that makes it sound as if nothing you do matters and that you are not responsible for anything you do

 

its like if your character killed someone you could just say ''well it wasn't me, it was just the character in the game; i'm simply observing it playing out its programme'

In reality there are no persons and therefore no personal responsibility. I know it seems like it does, hence why you don't like me saying it. You believe you are a person. We are talking in the absolute here, not in relative terms and you can't mix the two, if you do, then we speak in contradictions. 

 

As a seeming person and as it seems like you have decision as a separate entity, then you should play the game and act on these seeming decisions, which I hope would be to not murder someone. As that would not be in line with the nature of who you really are.

 

And The word responsibility means ability to promise a new. That is, to solve today's problem with tomorrow's solution. - "spond" promise, "re" anew. ability

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr H

[Mr H]

That's why it's also unwise to jump into a conversation when two people are speaking in the absolute, with relative examples with are not relevant to the conversation and misappropriate what we are saying.

 

If you want to talk in relative terms with me we can. I would tell you don't murder someone, it ain't nice! Ok! You're trying to make out I condone murder or something because you don't understand the topic or the perspective with which we are speaking from.

 

The only reason why we have murder is because of the belief in persons!

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr H

[TheConsultant]

29 minutes ago, Mr H said:

In reality there are no persons and therefore no personal responsibility.

Sounds like a really poor excuse to "do what thou wilt" non?

[Mr Crabtree]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:23 PM, Ethel said:

 

Heeeeeeeeeeeeey! My kinda person!  I once took such a strong hit of THC crystal I felt that everything which had ever existed condensed down into that moment, and was a singularity. It was nothingness. THC is the best thing ever. 

Ethel, I once bought a brand-new pair of trainers off a drug dealer / shoplifter / small businessman, type of Chappy who lives on my estate, now, I don't know what he laced them with? but I was tripping all day! 

This next bit is serious, I live just down the hill from Brighton Racecourse and during the better weather months they have a large Sunday Market there. All the local shoplifters get up there and then towards the evening they start knocking the doors on the Whitehawk estate where I live to try and sell stuff ranging from bacon to trainers, handbags to packs of socks etc.! This little practice soon became known as 'The Whitehawk Catalogue' because some of the local kids started taking orders for specific items, all at half the retail prices! One local lad tried to sell me a very large vehicle number plate, he reckoned it 'fell off the back of a lorry'! SORRY I COULDN'T RESIST THAT ONE, BUT THE MARKET STORY IS GENUINE! 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr Crabtree

[Mr H]

29 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Sounds like a really poor excuse to "do what thou wilt" non?

It depends on who you mean by you. If you mean a person, then no, because there are no persons. Apparent persons cannot do anything. 

 

If you mean consciousness, then yes, "it" is always doing what "it" likes. The part of consciousness that believes in separate entities and persons (ego) is the one that causes many so called problems in the illusion - what "we" view as evil. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr H

[TheConsultant]

7 minutes ago, Mr H said:

It depends on who you mean by you. If you mean a person, then no, because there are no persons. Apparent persons cannot do anything. 

I subscribe to reality being markedly different to how it presents, absolutely. Holographic simulation, or similar, but that does not give room to do as you wish as ultimately there is nothing to harm. The simulation is being conducted for a reason, maybe it is to understand duality of how people operate. Some do as thou wilt and gain a lot from it via a cult that ultimately means nothing as we take none of that with us and learn nothing in the process, others suffer and learn and take that with us. 

 

[Mr H]

37 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I subscribe to reality being markedly different to how it presents, absolutely. Holographic simulation, or similar, but that does not give room to do as you wish as ultimately there is nothing to harm. The simulation is being conducted for a reason, maybe it is to understand duality of how people operate. Some do as thou wilt and gain a lot from it via a cult that ultimately means nothing as we take none of that with us and learn nothing in the process, others suffer and learn and take that with us. 

 

If you listen to David Icke he will tell you the same as what I am telling you. You are not a person you are in his words infinite consciousness and what you think is you is a point of attention of infinite consciousness. Or he might say you are consciousness having a human experience. Because there are no persons, by definition there is no personal responsibility. You could say that it is consciousness that has the responsibility if we must use words. It is the belief that you are a person and separate from everyone else (ego) that makes the illusion unpleasant for so called apparent others - greed/murder etc. If you understood who you truly are then "you" consciousness, wouldn't partake in such activities, because you would understand that there is no lack, no other to harm but yourself etc. and the illusion would be more pleasurable for all participants. As the experienced you get to experience the deciding process but you do not decide anything.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr H

[TheConsultant]

14 minutes ago, Mr H said:

If you listen to David Icke he will tell you the same as what I am telling you. You are not a person you are in his words infinite consciousness and what you think is you is a point of attention of infinite consciousness. Or he might say you are consciousness having a human experience. Because there are no persons, by definition there is no personal responsibility. You could say that it is consciousness that has the responsibility if we must use words. It is the belief that you are a person and separate from everyone else (ego) that makes the illusion unpleasant for so called apparent others - greed/murder etc. If you understood who you truly are then "you" consciousness, wouldn't partake in such activities, because you would understand that there is no lack, no other to harm but yourself etc. and the illusion would be more pleasurable for all participants. As the experienced you get to experience the deciding process but you do not decide anything.

Definitely aware of Ickes work, I don't disagree we are something else having a human experience, but that human experience is for a very good reason which expands far beyond no responsibility. We are in the driving seat, some aspects maybe written in the stars as they say. But otherwise, this is all occurring for good reason. 

Put it this way, the better people have done within this system the harder time they are going to have coming to terms with what is and has been going on to all of us. As such we are all "victims" of the system of control we created over generations. Not a victim mentality, that doesn't really work, but absolutely all in the same boat of delusion regarding our reality, who we are, what we are doing here and far more. 

[Mr H]

9 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Definitely aware of Ickes work, I don't disagree we are something else having a human experience, but that human experience is for a very good reason which expands far beyond no responsibility. We are in the driving seat, some aspects maybe written in the stars as they say. But otherwise, this is all occurring for good reason. 

Put it this way, the better people have done within this system the harder time they are going to have coming to terms with what is and has been going on to all of us. As such we are all "victims" of the system of control we created over generations. Not a victim mentality, that doesn't really work, but absolutely all in the same boat of delusion regarding our reality, who we are, what we are doing here and far more. 

What you say may or may not be true. I don't know.

 

What I am saying is that there are no persons, only apparent ones (we seem to agree). Apparent persons do not decide things, but they experience a deciding process The process can be broken down as thought no 1 is the question, thought no 2 is the answer, thought no 3 is I choose the answer - that is the process.... therefore, the apparent person, does not in ultimate reality have personal responsibility for the reasons given above, 1. there are no persons and no 2. the person experiences a deciding process but is not the one who decides.

 

And as a side note. From experience I have found after understanding of who we truly are, and exploring our inherent qualities, there is no lack, there is no other there is no death = as a consequence, that the experience of human life is more enjoyable, not because I the apparent person choose, just as consequence. I have not found anyone yet with the understanding who has afterwards gone out and murdered people like Mac suggested, quite the contrary, murder seems to be for the one who doesn't understand.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Mr H

[Stone Lion]

On 11/19/2022 at 3:41 AM, Mr H said:

Good luck my friend. You are walking the path. Everything will take care of itself. Nothing for you to do.

 

I feel like that holds a lot of truth.

I've been "wanting" too much. Leading me to worrying.

 

I'm honestly going to keep this short, because everytime I want to write my thoughts down, I contradict myself and can't seem to express fully what I want to say!!!!! AARGH!!! (Even writing that was difficult)

 

Anyhow, Thank you Mr. H for the message. It made a lot of sense to me. 

[Stone Lion]

I read this but I don't 

On 11/4/2022 at 2:08 AM, TetraG said:

 

 

If it's of any help I just turned *off* the Eleven o'clock night news to rid... (by the end of this post, I will telll you I am DONE at 80 minutes & with edit another 60mins of my time as spoiler to my toil here,  haha, how can one find the dedication, EASY when in the right moooooood aiding our FLIGHT TO FREEDOM (in wihch obviously AWAKENING, and EVOLVING is instrumental as is involving and inviting others to join and be a part)....

 

For kick off what say I off my radio to rid my mind of annoying sycophantic ticks as cometh the hour (like in the news) or however, so off that goes nipped in the bud to better enable me to answer this post in -peace and quiet- and of course those two words are something do I even need to say we all need more of, so long as silence is not also driving us crazy as much as noise of some sorts has the tendency to do in mind obliteration wash back or whatever mental toil of whatever type of day we've had (say after a barrage of daily grind)..... Well overcoming the daily grind is all part of it..... (*and since I've already had some sleepy time this evening leading up to this bringing me at least half awake my words can now take shape a little better*) ......sooo hello Stone Lion and others, nice to come back to this thread, I didn't realize there was an UNREAD here waiting by ST, but that's good sometimes as a surprise to perhaps enhance one's otherwise dreary day dears! 

 

......Sooo ALAS, SHOCK/ HORROR  (at this precise moment anyway) when it is I (maaaaybe) have no firm or resolute *or rather no SINGLE* answer to satisfy every person or lifestyle..... Well, let's realize of course it's not only my job all by myself *unless by myself, lol* to get this all in order anyway and that is LARGELY the point if any of us on this forum ACTUALLY DO GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER OFFLINE..... but nooooo distinct actual like, -commitedness seems super apparent at this time...  just saying as per chance that could be the state of affairs unless anyone can tell me better?) for what approach is going to gain best healthy lively-hood outcomes.... And in fact at anytime, where creating the most traction in developing A CO-ORDINATED lifestyle re-emergence is essential to anything of substance, OF OUR OWN MAKING ((*oh ya know, by being the custodians of OUR OWN lives*)) in spite of shit storms or despite the psycho-babble & drama designed to create images of "houses on fire" raging that is government and other ills seeming as they most certainly do.
 

weeeeeeell for our wishes & desires (errr yeah okay - if inclusive of anyone sharing similar thoughts to me), & as whatever goes, such as measures for life as a whole~ let me say TO ALL that is ONLY half (*yes ONLY* you read right) HALF (*yes HALF, you read right*) as half the battle is ~broadly spiritual~ is what I am trying to say and contemporize that however you like (shudder) and tandem as of how to instill confidence in us to deal with now times INDEEEEEEEEED.....Well ~ to stay functional in any mental crisis along the way is of course KEY....... (sorry if I am writing too much like I am in the OFF GRID thread, excuse me) .......

So anyhow~ let's all back up a minute and ask  again, WHAT ARE ANY OF US DOING, other than logically and commendably hopefully -> gathering ideas & equipment for off gridification edification ((of a life we DON'T JUST want to dream of for those interested in this)) & -> of sorts a re-education to consider there also spiritually and practically and SELF WORTHEDLY doable things there, YES DOABLE ~~~ btw=>  on that note in the off grid sense I noted in thy earlier thread of yours Stone Lion, since I've touched on that lately revisiting that in SOLUTIONS (or for the first time?), observing there not what you said but something there which somebody else posted where they pointed out it could be viewed as KINDA selfish a bit to off-grid, buuuuuuuuuuuut maaaaaybe, errr hmmmmmmm,,whilst okay I see their point in one way I don't quite view it that way at the end of the day, as we WILL ALWAYS NEED some people doing this, and some other fighters for this or that in their "staying put" style off fighting in these ways...

 

BUT now returning to in "united commons leadership" (for sake of calling drive & initiative by another name?) - let's why not take a look in terms of for example learning centres of various kinds to cite just one success story I found in THE LIGHT NEWSPAPER (an out of system schooling for those with kids as another thought, like www.hopesussex.co.uk as per one example - kids are not a consideration needed for myself personally, but community wise its obviously a sound investment to want to keep your kids vaccine and indoctrination free in such ways as pro-active as that clearly demonstrates IS POSSIBLE) around which it's these types of initiatives (++ and if thou wilt OFF GRID IDEAS) that can stimulate imagination, whereby connecting this with that we can form alliances with others by reaching out into the world of what's practical for ALL of us in SOME way, thereby WITH A PURPOSE FOR BEING......To not end up relegated in the OTHER METHOD of the OVERALL fight only by power struggle in that physical or singular dimension since the attack is coming at us in any case from all dimensions and all angles at one time or another anyway....

So, don't misunderstand, every battle is worthy potentially, but to only be forever soley be all about only 'fighting' the battle the whole time, like that is all there is to live for, is to some extent sight losing of the bigger picture in which all elements or moving parts are seen for what they are (for good - eg, diversity & prosperity or for bad -eg, slavery monoculture)

BECAUSE PUT SIMPLY as some other wise people you may see mention sometimes its not always about scheming or succombing to become confrontational like that were the only motivation in life that can get us from A to B, COZ in fact by paying attention to the system and its wily ways and irritating drivel, like on TV, like on radio, that is playing DIRECTLY into their power hungry beguiling hands and their dirty spoils etc rubs off on us then too much by letting ourselves being overly subject to too much exposure of course whenever Brain Washing is knowably (or perhaps unknowably at times) in sinister convergence plotting to blur or smother our clear thinking consciousness. 

 

So I know I am speaking quite broadly, but with a SO CALLED method in my madness (mad figuratively speaking, do not take too literally) .... Now with whatever gets us up in the morning, let me come back to what is crucial, not just in terms of seeing and realizing what's up with the world, BLOODY OBVIOUS, but in terms also of equal magnitude (but ultimately of greater importance|) and relevance, about also what life means to us collectively or individually, and how to best live it in whatever way each one of us has planned or imagined or dared to dream etc, buuut also of course to make that tangible ==which will all help in fending off and pushing back the tide, of the assault we face by the modern world and not to just wind up feeling relegated by isolation or inaction, or washed up etc or overly burdened or drained in getting something positive happening --- To this end to succeed by whatever intent or drive for a more satisfying and more rewarding life beyond the banalities the modern world has cynically created to undermine the true nature of the human spirit (*& any animal spirit too* come to that), which human beings are not absolved from and do not need to absolve from, as humans are just as much a part of nature as any being walking flying or descending on this earth, as visitor as resident or passerby, hi aliens, hi celestial power, by divine rite we live by virtue of natural presence inviting all living things nature to co-exist alongside us (lest they be an insult to nature), to both empower us and to feel humbled by, so just as we may wish for an experience when nature makes us feel humility, so is in sharp contrast to the dictates of the modern world and it's iniquities, etcccc. IT MUST BE HUMBLED LIKEWISE. To  tame Greed, to curtail Ego. ((*yes I know some people will never be so humble*)) but I have Nooooooooooo interests in Repression of Souls -AKA suppression- in the round- if well balanced - AND because humans need to be able to express themselves esp. when they maybe people who are worth listening to, or having input from.

 

In other words more humans need to FEEL whats good in relation to natural wonderment, in order to express and understand humility by that measure but also to experience a certain comradery with nature and the universe thereby to guide us if we see fit, by however we see our place in the world..... whether that be with help from astronomy for some or mucking about in the fields and general substance of life for others where nature has a hand in maintaining influence on us that feels grounded as true as can be!

........ Nature can offer Encouraging and Revitalizing modalities or options for us, and often in subtle regenerating ways, but also in very down to earth ways too if so desired (& in fact holistically is intrinsic & wholesome to any natural way of life)..... For example in one way even a bear offering to eat us in plead for lunch is a blessing but as we may dare to tickle its belly (*a probable fantasy arguement in the interests of portrayal-  do not try for yourself*) just beforehand to give some forethought to the bear with a feather borrowed from a bird, we remind the bear to go gently, go lightly, and to have mercy, however hungry, grrr, and the bear reminds us to not be so full of ourselves that we lose sight of what is universally important for everyone in the interests of beast (human)  and animal.....

<-- For continued inspiration and reasons for living that go beyond the mundane soul destroying tech of todays' obnoxious /insidious revolving door world, by which OF COURSE that means things designed to be coercive or oppressive, mal-created by the over-reaching forces of man-made power, where FOR EXAMPLE, shamanism would naturally have something to say about that (I am not a shaman exactly, just have interest in it)..... Anyway just exploring ideas & inspirations...

 

 

 

Yes, intentions, and realizations are powerful allies in dealing with the unknown or the things still waiting to happen in our lives... or like the truth waiting to be discovered or made more palpable in simplistic imperative (such as by nature of intent instinct in all of us still with a soul) to form life-lines by simply BETTER SHARED KNOWLEDGE of the fact (IF INDEED FACTUAL OF WHAT TRULY BELIEVED BY ANY PERSON OBVIOUSLY) to anyway share in among the masses where hopefully the thing of substance or most common truth (for example knowable to all with a little effort - but having also preferably a good veritability in tenure of truth & viability in substance) can be observed both in nature AS WAS MEANT NATURALLY and/or in relation to ways of the world in modern society by us all realizing the answers LYE NOT in contributing into ANY system which does not respect even our most basic rites for that is a cardinal sin on mankind for us to accept such tyranny as much as it is by those that produce that as a system of control in the first place who come up with these dastardly underhand & sometime in yer face tactics as we know is happening by the Newly Renewed Old World ReOrder Cabal etc!  (Haha)

 

Too much!!! I don't know what to make of this! haha. Thanks anyway.

 

I'm a lurker when it comes to forums, but sometimes I decide to write something and reply or post. :)

 

I envy your ability to write down your thoughts, you seem good at it, even though chaotic in my eyes!

[TheConsultant]

4 hours ago, Mr H said:

And as a side note. From experience I have found after understanding of who we truly are, and exploring our inherent qualities, there is no lack, there is no other there is no death = as a consequence, that the experience of human life is more enjoyable, not because I the apparent person choose, just as consequence. I have not found anyone yet with the understanding who has afterwards gone out and murdered people like Mac suggested, quite the contrary, murder seems to be for the one who doesn't understand

I see no evidence thus far you know something others do not. You say some interesting things, but I am for evidence and experiences, methodologies not pleasant or good sounding things without anything backing it up.

Edited December 6, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Stone Lion]

In terms of Kundalini awakening, there's a lot of info out there and every now and then I seem to get interested, and start searching. Although the info isn't always too reliable, I also, need tempering in my curiousity.

 

In a video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsLZCvTcl1s ) by spirit science on youtube, I heard that lake Titicaca and peru/chili is where the wordly kundalini force is located. (Thought it was interesting to say, since David Icke went there and had his awakening)

 

To follow the advice that Mr. H and others gave me, I feel like maybe I should just be as I am, and not worry too much. (written in my own words) 

 

And enjoy the ride ofcourse :)

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Stone Lion
had to delete word.

[TheConsultant]

Kundalini is from the earth not a specific part of the earth as I understand, "mother" earth is feminine energy (chi, ki, qi, prana, mana etc), the heavens are masculine energy (Li amongst others). It is partly what the yin and yang represent. One spirals upward, the other spirals downward, centripetal and centrifugal vortices. They meet in the middle which is the base of your spine, called centre in yoga and other practises, dan tien in martial arts. Its represented as a serpent around the spine or sword as well as many other ways I am sure.

Edited December 6, 2022 by TheConsultant